0:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 0:30 [SPEAKER_02]: We're back to foul play podcast number eight thousand seven hundred twenty two. 0:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know how many we've done together, Shane, but this is Java and I'm with Shane again. 0:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so excited about our guests tonight because this is one of your favorite people in addition to hours tonight. 0:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Our guests are Teresa Lancaster. 0:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And Theresa from the keepers, she was Jane, and her beautiful daughter in that is here with her fight because they have been best buddies and have worked on a project together that now has come to fruition. 1:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So welcome in that and welcome Theresa. 1:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi there. 1:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank you. 1:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 1:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It was my days. 1:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think we ever get the book together. 1:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And that just kept saying, it'll get there. 1:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It'll get there. 1:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I wrote it. 1:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I said, here it is. 1:25 [SPEAKER_03]: All written that she said, 1:27 [SPEAKER_03]: That's your outline, read, wrap, and then just flip it out. 1:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it actually can't help but me, perfect. 1:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Before I go into the blog, we've heard from you before in the podcast, and the keepers is coming up to five years. 1:44 [SPEAKER_01]: What has life been like for you since those five years? 1:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It's been surreal when I couldn't believe I actually did it was like telling Jess and Ryan the story and going to see Kio didn't think that it was going to be as big as it turned out to be. 2:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was going to be when they said a documentary. 2:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought I was just a documentary, but then when they told me it was going to be on that flex and then they told me we had to sign release and it was getting bigger and bigger. 2:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I was just really scared out of my mind. 2:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I kept saying to Donna, I said, I just want to appear in the normal. 2:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It nothing else. 2:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to show your normal. 2:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I got call. 2:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just and Ryan that said that they were interested in the sister cat story and abuse of Kio and what I mind meeting them. 2:44 [SPEAKER_03]: and talking about what happened to me at that time, Tom Nugent, and I covered bodies, and I called him, and I said, are these people crack pots? 2:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Are they going to murder me? 2:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Are they want to meet for lunch somewhere? 2:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, just meet him at Panera Bread, what can you go wrong there? 3:05 [SPEAKER_03]: We just sat down and all of a sudden I just started telling him about the chap, the people next to us, really not fearful, but and then after I told him the story over a course of two hours, they said, would you mind doing this again on a show? 3:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, no problem, because it's a story I wanted to get out there forever. 3:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Dress, did you remember the day that we met at home? 3:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know parking lot? 3:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That was my first when meeting you and we wrote around with that's the Ryan to all the places where everything happened and went inside to you and made up a story that just and Ryan were my young couple from California who were thinking about it rolling their daughter at the elementary school that was now in by EO. 3:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And they actually let us walk around with pepper Terry and I know that wasn't any CD for you to read. 4:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was worried about you. 4:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I held one to you. 4:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And just make sure, because I'm taller than you are enough, but it's a joke, but you were really brave that day. 4:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It was rough. 4:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I did think that might have been the first time we met because you gave me a rope of Lancaster life savers for Lancaster. 4:22 [SPEAKER_03]: When we went to Kiel and went into the chapel, I've shot in the word East because they were naturals, right just the tour guide over, 4:32 [SPEAKER_03]: to the blockers is that they're interesting and and kept them busy. 4:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So we could go into the chapel. 4:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I could see everything in there. 4:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So besides being the producer just does everything. 4:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, the woman who was showing us around and asked a million questions about those darn locker. 4:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can't just follow me because actually funny. 4:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We want to talk about your book Teresa and anything else you want to talk about. 4:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But for our listeners, Teresa has written a book and the title is, say, in socks, scks and Teresa. 5:11 [SPEAKER_02]: My question is, what does the title mean and what made you decide to write the book? 5:17 [SPEAKER_03]: was a story that had to be told. 5:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And we've not, I've been driving it right there, books were ever since the Dobra Kings Law. 5:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I just had to get my story out there. 5:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of times during the deposition, the lawyers mocked me and stopped like that. 5:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And they would even say, what did you have? 5:41 [SPEAKER_03]: One, and then I kept saying, my socks. 5:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And then they said, would you look at my school Richter and I said, no, I looked at my socks and then I realized that the socks were a wage for me to just leave the room and escape what was going on with me. 6:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So I found safety in my socks because they let thank God. 6:07 [SPEAKER_03]: They let me keep my socks on unbelievable. 6:11 [SPEAKER_02]: To reset, what major decide to actually sit down and start writing? 6:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Was there something that happened or were you writing notes all along? 6:19 [SPEAKER_02]: What major actually decide to put your pen to paper, so to speak? 6:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I had correcting boxes of what I call shoebox nerds. 6:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And they consisted of the deposition. 6:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And my one brother said, just stable the deposition together and salad is a book. 6:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It's best salad. 6:39 [SPEAKER_03]: But I just, I wanted this story troll, and it was hard every time I go to those box, it was almost like they were possessed, because when I opened them up, and then I saw mask, mane, and the holy cross day, and the other victims and stuff. 6:59 [SPEAKER_03]: But I kept adding, and 7:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I think law school helped me a great deal to understand the realities of why I've lost. 7:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I had Randy here every step of the way. 7:12 [SPEAKER_03]: He offered to write it out of comments. 7:15 [SPEAKER_03]: If you see what I write it, but I just needed the people to know what happened. 7:22 [SPEAKER_03]: and school. 7:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And I know I get graphics sometimes, especially in chapter six, but I'm tired of dipped in saying, I was abused. 7:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they should say, I, I was raped. 7:37 [SPEAKER_03]: my clans were ripped off and they inserted his penis in me. 7:41 [SPEAKER_03]: That way, the people that don't know what goes one to these children behind the doors, you know, what's that mean? 7:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch you, does it touch 8:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Stop it, make people aware it's cool on what it is cool on one now, but I think we're making it then I really do think the more we do the more we keep on what the more we're doing. 8:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I like how you worded that. 8:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what we talk about children being abused, that's an easy term to use. 8:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And as you said, if people are specific on how they were abused, it sounds a lot worse than it should. 8:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So I hope that resonates with our listeners. 8:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, I know that you were also involved with the book. 8:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to dig her from both of you what that experience was like. 8:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, for as long as I can remember, my mom had been wanting to share her story, and I think we're all on a agreement. 8:48 [SPEAKER_04]: She is a very inspiring, powerful, strong-willed person and very clear in her articulation as to what has happened to her. 8:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think a lot of the trepidation to sharing, winning it together in a way where it was a story, like an actual problem. 9:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And there was a lot of fear when the keeper's documentary was coming out because of 9:13 [SPEAKER_04]: just some negative experiences we've had with my non-sharing that she was a victim of abuse and animosity from a lot of the Catholics who believed the victims were lied and all sorts of things or even if they believed that it happened and my mom would get messages that she was sort of centered in those kinds of things. 9:31 [SPEAKER_04]: So there was a lot of fear that we fell even during that filming of the heatbirds about let's share this story. 9:38 [SPEAKER_04]: to make a difference, but also what it's been, I have, if you were my mom say earlier before even meeting Justin Ryan, she was worried that they might be murderers themselves, and we know the sweetest people with ever, but that's when you're a victim of rape and abuse, like you have this pervasive 9:56 [SPEAKER_04]: distrust of everybody. 9:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And once the movie came out, I think that was really what was the whole pen to paper thing because my mom felt that she could share her story and just not. 10:14 [SPEAKER_04]: sure how to do it. 10:17 [SPEAKER_04]: My mom and her high school experience didn't get much of an education as far as the literary arts go or anything. 10:23 [SPEAKER_04]: She was busy fighting for her wife and then sanity. 10:28 [SPEAKER_04]: She didn't have that much confidence in writing. 10:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And for a while, I would take her right together. 10:37 [SPEAKER_04]: into an outline and then knowing the content of the material, it got that got pretty overwhelming for me because I was in grad school with time and also it's pretty heavy subject matter so my mom and I would we would talk through different. 10:54 [SPEAKER_04]: like ways of writing, I enjoy writing, recreational fee. 10:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I would talk about similar experiences, not the exact instances of rape and abuse and expounding on experiences, senses and touch and things. 11:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that was healing in a win as well. 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to ask you, when did you learn about what happened to your mom? 11:21 [SPEAKER_04]: That's an interesting question. 11:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't hint down of exact moment. 11:25 [SPEAKER_04]: It was just a part of regular conversation. 11:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Growing up. 11:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And I suppose we had a twisted humor about it. 11:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And growing up, we had different kinds of things that we were concerned about. 11:39 [SPEAKER_04]: If people were so hung up over normal things and we would joke about a mask or wouldn't like a dirty toilet, 11:45 [SPEAKER_04]: things like that. 11:46 [SPEAKER_04]: It's been maybe that's not healthy, but it or maybe it is because it takes away the power of those things like that wasn't normal and it was normalized, but it wasn't normalized as being okay, so it only has to be wrong. 11:59 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the world was pretty dangerous place. 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Were you alive during the dough road trip? 12:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I was in a middle school. 12:09 [SPEAKER_04]: What happened? 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And what was that experience like for you being Trisha's daughter? 12:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I was proud of my mom and wanted to support her in any way. 12:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I was disheartening when she lost the hate. 12:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd felt very unfair. 12:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, but I myself, most of my life, lots of things happen that I'm pretty, pretty unfair. 12:32 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's all part of the course. 12:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, her dad died when she was here a year and I don't know if it was my cooking mechanism or my ceiling that I needed to prepare a net and her sister Christy and the older ones, but a net was so little what she was like three years old and my husband was really sick. 12:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, don't get attached to her and he's not going to be here. 13:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And I felt that I'd get in mother of a year for work for that I just tried to protect them and I'd kept them out of chair. 13:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I was afraid, not afraid, but I said, don't ever trust math, the caller, and your dad's gonna be dead in six months. 13:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 13:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I tried to be normal in an abnormal situation. 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: life can get overwhelming and talking to someone can make all the difference. 13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode, make starting therapy simple. 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Complete a short questionnaire and you'll be matched with a licensed therapist and as little as a couple of days. 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You can connect by message, phone or video, from wherever you feel comfortable. 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And if the first therapist isn't the right fit, 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Better help include a journal for personal reflection and daily group sessions on a variety of topics and they accept each essay and FSA cards. 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: with over 2,000,000 users and a 4. star rating on trust pilot, better help is a trusted platform for accessible mental health care. 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If you think you could benefit from therapy, visit betterhelp.com, choose our podcast during sign up and get 10% off your first month. 14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Taking care of your mental health is a sign of strength. 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Start your journey today. 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of sounds like your entire life, at least during high school. 14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been having to deal with that. 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Try to live a normal life in an abnormal way. 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Before I let Gemma ask her a question, Teresa, what was it like working with a net on the part that have mean a lot to you? 14:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it man, a great deal, it meant so much. 14:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And that night, I have always had a bond. 14:59 [SPEAKER_03]: When I found out, I was pregnant with her. 15:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And I once was able to get pregnant. 15:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I just knew that she was sent to me for a very special reason. 15:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Her older sister, Christy, has learning disabilities. 15:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's always protected her. 15:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And that has, 15:19 [SPEAKER_03]: always had knowledge beyond her years. 15:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And it seems like she could sense things. 15:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And when we were working on the book, she asked me if I had enough, and then I'd say why don't we talk about drugs? 15:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And now everybody was getting loaded and dark humor. 15:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I think dark humor, but I could not have 15:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Teresa, the whole world fell in love with you in the keepers. 15:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You know that. 15:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And since that series came out, you have been really open and honest and willing to show your face and talk to people at the 16:08 [SPEAKER_02]: What are some of the big ideas that you would like your readers to take away from it? 16:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And what message do you have for people that are reading it? 16:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I want people to know that these things happen a lot. 16:22 [SPEAKER_03]: The abuse during the church has been going on for hundreds of hundreds of years. 16:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And what I intend to take away from it is 16:30 [SPEAKER_03]: watch your kids. 16:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a friend I went to walls with and she had two beautiful little girls and they were taking piano lessons and when I'd been branded her to law school she told her husband 16:45 [SPEAKER_03]: to talk the kids to theater lessons. 16:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't you dare leave either one of them alone with that teacher. 16:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd warrant people. 16:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I would tell people like my friend, where I lived in Mara Park, that don't let your daughter be alone with masqueries of pervert, who's a pervert. 17:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And that was my way of bringing a belt, that this is going on and know the church isn't gonna do it. 17:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Damn thing about it because, 17:14 [SPEAKER_03]: they don't have to. 17:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I want to get out of this book. 17:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I want accountability to the dish. 17:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all the way up. 17:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And I take pleasure and see in the top going down the expo because there was a day when that never happened. 17:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think keeping on, I think me too. 17:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And everybody has had a loss. 17:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And now they know and we're getting it out in a way. 17:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what we need to do. 17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I was at make you feel that you from the very beginning have shown your face literally and the people that are responsible that are still living have done nothing, even to face you. 18:00 [SPEAKER_02]: they're not on television yet accepting responsibility. 18:04 [SPEAKER_03]: That very much irritates me. 18:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I spoke to some people in SNAT about how I would love to just sit down across the table from the higher ups of the mission and the red hat people and say, rock. 18:20 [SPEAKER_03]: what are you going to do to fix this? 18:24 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a problem. 18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: What are you going to do? 18:26 [SPEAKER_03]: But lately, I don't see that happening. 18:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Just personally see the churches as a big corporation at this point. 18:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And the best thing to do is just to get it out there. 18:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't make your cute a whim with an adult and it's better safe and sorry and listen to them. 18:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I think one of the things that we talked about we had worked on in the creation of the book was yes having a cautionary tale to prevent future abuse such as what went on at Kiyo of more along the theme of not just surviving but thriving. 19:05 [SPEAKER_04]: after surviving something marble. 19:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's what you can read in the book is how my mother thrive those abuse just despite all of the things that have been to her and despite of too many other victims. 19:21 [SPEAKER_04]: didn't have the strong will that she has to go forward and she might be rough around the edges in a big press and that part of with him gave her the strength and the line. 19:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We used the term survivors a lot and it shouldn't be taken lightly because there were people literally that didn't 19:48 [SPEAKER_04]: such a hairy face. 19:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I've tried not to show emotion and there were times with the mask all done things and I would blurred out and you're not going to break me. 20:00 [SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to break me. 20:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course I got snacked around so that but it was worth saying that it was like like being kitball and I think it helped me survive or really you know. 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: How has the reaction been to your book? 20:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I get messages, I get emails, brandy, I make them read them because they bring me to tears. 20:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the people are asking me to be an able for the first time in their life to come forward and say, yeah, my uncle's from a time I was three through 12. 20:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and my brother, my coach, and of course, 20:41 [SPEAKER_03]: priests, and they have strength to come forward and say that it's to their family. 20:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes the family just doesn't want to think more to do with them. 20:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And they asked me what should I do about that. 20:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, with friends like that, you know, need enemies. 20:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting from all around the world. 21:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, people asked me if I could write the book or have it published. 21:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Italian, French, and I just want to look again with that. 21:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Or a match set, it might lose some of its continents. 21:15 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the things we are going to do is do an audio book. 21:20 [SPEAKER_04]: The audience, yes, or yes, or yes, yeah, or mom will read the book, which I think very lovely. 21:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that sounds like fun. 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Recent of the book there with you. 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a paragraph or part of a page you would like to read that we can share with the people that are going to be listening to this. 21:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I don't know. 21:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I did put somewhere in here about music. 21:45 [SPEAKER_03]: My mom was a single most horrible thing that ever happened to me in my life. 21:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And at that point, I did not want to go one. 21:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to dive off a bridge. 21:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not want to get one, but I saw the kids, I mean, I had to be grandkids, and you just, you got to go one, but still that was the lowest part, and had she not died in 1993. 22:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I never would have come forward. 22:14 [SPEAKER_03]: This would have never happened. 22:18 [SPEAKER_03]: But I could never, ever met my mom, see what happened, Kiel. 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I've talked to some survivors from Kiel, who their parents still don't know. 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, they don't want to admit it, but they are waiting for their parents to pass so that they can, 22:42 [SPEAKER_02]: feel comfortable sharing the story publicly. 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, depends on what you believe about an afterlife, but by then their parents will be like, they'll know everything. 22:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, stuff. 22:52 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know. 22:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think what you said is very true. 22:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Teresa, where that listeners get, you're wrong. 23:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And I would they get a sign copy. 23:02 [SPEAKER_03]: But someone asked on and I have told people that I would be great to sign it. 23:08 [SPEAKER_03]: They get a copy. 23:10 [SPEAKER_03]: They can set it to man on me like back because it's paid and I'll sign it for them. 23:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And that book signing, we're going to have one in April, unbearable by a stack of books to have. 23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So I will be able to sign on. 23:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also looking and to get my men with some book stores, 23:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Theresa and I are going to do an event in April 16 and I'll post some things on social media about it. 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually for the Maryland Prime Victims Respiracy. 23:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And they are providing pro bono legal and investigative assistance to us in both working with survivors and helping them get with they need and in finding the answers to who killed Kathy enjoys so Teresa and will be sharing a table and we're going to take our books. 24:04 [SPEAKER_02]: and there'll be able to advertise. 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually a walk run, a three-mile walk run, but there's going to be tables along the way with resources for people in Maryland who are victims of Friday. 24:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And Teresa has represented a lot of abuse survivors as she's got 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: and I've been working with some survivors as an advocate. 24:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll post that one in your page, Shane, if that's okay with you and for the listeners, we'll get more information out about that when we get more information. 24:42 [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds great, which I got. 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like a very good opportunity for people to meet you guys in person as well. 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Teresa, what advice do you have for survivors who also experience child sexual abuse? 24:57 [SPEAKER_03]: and tell survivors to talk about it. 25:01 [SPEAKER_03]: If they can't talk to their family at first, like I couldn't go to people like Snap and talk about it, and that we can get people that are like, liaison, and that will help to view the family. 25:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not talk to my father to all of the roadchains. 25:20 [SPEAKER_03]: That went over like the led to the live. 25:22 [SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't want to read about that newspaper. 25:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I just laid it down to him. 25:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a more gentile way to tell your family. 25:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Jean does that very well in her book about what happened to her and with her family's poor. 25:43 [SPEAKER_03]: is just fantastic. 25:45 [SPEAKER_03]: But there are a lot of people I know that they don't believe. 25:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And those are the people that really fall through the cracks in terms of substance abuse and suicide. 25:57 [SPEAKER_03]: You need a support system, but it doesn't have to be family. 26:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And I keep telling people, you're not a 26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Teresa, you're a gift. 26:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You know that, you both are what you share with the whole world and I see Randy Patton, your shoulder, but you are still and you and in that did great team work, but it doesn't cause me because I know you have that kind of relationship. 26:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Before we close, we want to know what it is that you have on your mind and anything at all that you both want to share. 26:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to say that 26:39 [SPEAKER_03]: The media in your friend, if you can't talk to family members, talk to the media and then get the word out because there's so many people now that with the media that the media is listening and you can say, it happened to me, it happened to me too. 26:59 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a starting point, I say, how about you and that? 27:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Anything you'd like to say before we close? 27:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you feel that 27:09 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just wonderful to be collective before and shifts that have happened in people's acceptance of listening to the discord about what is going on with victims' rights and survivors' rights and willingness to 27:30 [SPEAKER_04]: hear people's stories, like mom just said, the media, whatever their intentions are. 27:37 [SPEAKER_04]: For sharing it, it is a tool that you can use to share your story. 27:42 [SPEAKER_04]: But aside from that, also go a lot of people's camp. 27:47 [SPEAKER_04]: don't want to hear, but there's other social media connection and routes that people can come far to survive or swoops these ports through places where it's safe to talk about here experiences and get the help that you need. 28:38 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this
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