0:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 0:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The next hurdle for Jean and Teresa and others was the legislation governing the statute of limitations, one childhood sexual abuse. 0:39 [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I need one of you to explain what statute of limitations means in like plain language, and how you each have been involved in that. 0:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Free so what the statute of limitations. 0:56 [SPEAKER_02]: began so that lawsuits would happen in a timely manner. 1:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And when we left the statute, we're three years. 1:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Turned out a row, the statute was three years. 1:08 [SPEAKER_02]: In other words, you had three years from the time we reached the age of majority, which was 18 at the time, to follow your little suit. 1:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it increased after the row continues to be age of 25 and this is even though it is known that the average age for a person that suffered childhood sexual views is 52. 1:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So after the first came along, they revisited it and they increased the age to 38. 1:42 [SPEAKER_02]: On its face, that looks like progress. 1:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But the cons they injected the what's called the statute of 1:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And also it killed any idea of having what we call, look back window where we could go in and follow suit within two years to get a day in court, then those that were abused passed the age of 38. 2:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So what we are fighting for now, one of the biggest hurdles and we're trying this year, I don't know if we're going to have be successful, is to renew the statute of repentance. 2:26 [SPEAKER_02]: What's important is that the statute of her preference was injected into the statute of limitations. 2:33 [SPEAKER_02]: My church lobbyists. 2:35 [SPEAKER_02]: They pay much money to get them to sneak this in and it gives constitutional protective property rights. 2:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's intended to be used in product liability cases. 2:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It admits the length of time of builder may be young responsible for product defects. 2:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We are proud of this. 2:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We're human beings. 3:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's nothing to do with the statute of limitations in child-bred sexual abuse. 3:07 [SPEAKER_02]: They just put it in there to freeze it so that people cannot come ahead and follow us after the end of the 30-8. 3:16 [SPEAKER_02]: When they know it's full well, the average age is 52 for someone to even be able to talk about them. 3:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to try to give it removed and we're going to try it for a little back window going forward. 3:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually want to eliminate the statute of limitations altogether. 3:35 [SPEAKER_02]: one of you done to me so what are some of the things you your person self a personally done the cats your cats in the show yeah i've been meeting with people where we get a strategy together to write to the lo me and try to get them on our side and book the house and the senate this year and hopefully this year will be able to to nest the flying first and because 4:03 [SPEAKER_02]: idea of just how serious this thing is. 4:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And Wilson, it's CJ Wilson. 4:11 [SPEAKER_02]: No, CJ. 4:12 [SPEAKER_02]: CJ is not. 4:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He take, well, has been instrumental in getting this thing pushed both. 4:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And 4:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think with New South and in the fight writing to legislation and what we do along that up is large in front of the buildings and in front of the Annapolis buildings to bring the media. 4:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm big on the media, bring them in and tell them just how important this is for survivors. 4:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And if this thing just helps the future children, then I'll feel like I promised something. 4:44 [SPEAKER_02]: If it stops it right now, but when legislation and the church is paying in loudest, a lot of money, a lot of the money that people put in their collection plates go right to the loudness who fight this progress. 5:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And they want to keep the statute of rotations 5:06 [SPEAKER_01]: you 5:07 [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen you on television to raise a how many times have you testified how many years in the house and said I've worked at least a decade with snap I used to work with Frank Dangle who used to be the narrowing chief after hand of snap and we met on quarters in front of the archdiocese noting and Baltimore it this is a big thanks for me. 5:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Maryland's like a holdout staying. 5:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been at least at that game. 5:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Jane, how about your involvement? 5:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's in the last couple of years. 5:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You've also testified correctly. 5:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have always this is one of the places where most of the things that if you watch what I do, it's in my house. 5:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, by interviews with the keepers and different and I deal with a lot of feet for a variety of reasons, but it's couldn't even, I can say yes to things and then when I get up to it, it's like, why did I say yes to that? 6:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe some other survivors understand that and I've done a lot of things. 6:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But going down and being part of a group is a little claustrophobic for me. 6:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it took a lot for me to go. 6:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of like pulling up a big girl. 6:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it was like, OK, I'm going to go test why. 6:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have my friend Maria was going with me. 6:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I always act as somebody there because I will melt down after which I did. 6:37 [SPEAKER_02]: it's just like, I do it and then I go into a full panic. 6:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And so she helped me get out of the room. 6:44 [SPEAKER_02]: My effect, I think the guy was talking and it was what was triggering me. 6:48 [SPEAKER_02]: What he was saying, it was just like I was just right there. 6:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And I had to just get out and just had to get out. 6:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And Marie is saying, we're in the back of the room and she's just 6:58 [SPEAKER_02]: He's still up there talking. 7:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I later I'm thinking that way. 7:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I know why they did that. 7:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, so I'm climbing over people's coats and stuff and had to get out in a lot of breathe. 7:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And then a gentleman who had spoke before me came out. 7:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, I have to tell you because I'll probably never see you again. 7:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He said that I'm I've because of you. 7:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And I knew he's talking about the keepers and I knew that the impact has been and so when we felt it cried, he talked about he was there in order to be that for other people. 7:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said that's why I'm it's we are survivors supporting survivors and all of this. 7:39 [SPEAKER_02]: when I getting the responses from me in situations when I hearing the words the silence you could cut was the nice it's deafening it's so strong. 7:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But we are not being fly it. 7:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And once I found my voice, I figured I'll find ways that I can do that. 7:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So when it comes to the statual limitations, it's very personal because it had an extreme impact, extreme 8:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And extreme impact on somebody who was a victim in the middle of it, who wasn't even aware of what the heck was going on, just note was the right thing to do. 8:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it was even unfair playing ground. 8:16 [SPEAKER_02]: If you looked at that now, USA trauma specialist, they would be appalled that there was survivors were in that room with these people. 8:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That said, I do feel. 8:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't, I'm not, but I do feel that if they can 8:34 [SPEAKER_02]: abolish the statute limitations, I will be a happy camper that will be for all children because this is not going to stop if people think that the few PR things that glory does is going to bring this to an end think again because. 8:53 [SPEAKER_02]: For one, I think by them doing nothing, they have said to those predators out there, there's perpetrators, but as long as you're not found out, you're safe. 9:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I also think that there is a method to the madness, that they just find more secretive ways. 9:10 [SPEAKER_02]: to do what they're doing. 9:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And what they're doing is they're raping the soul of children. 9:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And once you get someone and I feel me and Teresa speak to this, once you get someone thinking it's their fault, and this is what they deserve, and this is what they want, you can get them to do anything. 9:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it really does look years later, like you did 9:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's another thing that we've been bringing up is the economic verb that childhood sexual abuse causes. 9:43 [SPEAKER_02]: When you're talking to the lawmakers and whenever they get all kinds of aspects and the lifetime economic verb of childhood sexual abuses approximately 9.3 billion dollars in 2018 the department of mental health of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School broke it down. 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: These include healthcare costs, productivity losses, child welfare costs, violence, crime, special education, and suicide. 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And you've written all this into lawmakers and say, it's not just me crying myself, the sweep at night or hiding in the closet. 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's money coming out of taxpayers' pockets. 10:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And Frank dangled the dive at Ren Snaps and Maryland would always drive that hurry we have a short where he would point out the cost of his appearance and then made it a lawmakers or hear that insert the right way. 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Teresa, as an attorney, can you clarify on if this is a correct thought, but for the statute of limitation, if Marilyn was to do a way with it, all that would mean is that you wouldn't have an age limit on how long after your abuse occurred, you could come forward, but you still would have to show proof that happened in court, you still have the burden of proof correct. 11:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, a lot of the lobbyists for the church will say that's getting all of us in free past like we're all out to get the church marion. 11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not the case. 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to prove it. 11:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to be that it and for you agenda that school for those years. 11:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not an easy thing to have an evidence draw it in, and then it would have to go to the jury. 11:33 [SPEAKER_02]: You would have to approve it before a jury, but to get an award of any kind. 11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, when the law is signed into effect, only after that date that we're all assigned in, those people are the ones that are covered by the law. 11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see in Maryland, unfortunately, a little fact when they're there. 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll go back window, but like I said before, we can protect people growing soil. 11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: That's good enough for me. 11:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And they have through the case. 12:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree. 12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: This is about what can we do for the children who are coming behind us. 12:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Bottom line, but there's a lot of other things that's about that would be for me. 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the next time the law can be looked at in terms of what can happen next? 12:19 [SPEAKER_02]: We're already meeting to talk about that and like I said, we have the emails, so the legislatures that we're going to contact and to get this past this year. 12:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And this sunshine within the very year, it's all the down there, testing fine and all not my sign and bring attention to it. 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep it in their media is what I say, make noise. 12:42 [SPEAKER_02]: and then people will hear what's going on. 12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the ways. 12:48 [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the ways by being able to find the social media outlets where it can be done in, cause like I said, I may have my limitations, but I have been able to use my voice in a variety of ways where it, 13:06 [SPEAKER_02]: We're in a different time so this to me is one of the ways what we're doing is just bringing it again to the attention. 13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they would all like us to fall back to sleep. 13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they would like for everything just to go back to sleep. 13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It done up in the same ways, but how can we support the truth being told and the things that we never need to happen for the children who are coming? 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: life can get overwhelming and talking to someone can make all the difference. 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode, make starting therapy simple. 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personally, we're going to talk about law enforcement and your experience. 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Good and bad. 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a really sensitive subject. 15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So our viewers need to know that it could be triggering and that we're inviting Jean and Teresa to talk about their experiences with law enforcement, because it's not always played a positive role in their lives. 15:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'll store, okay, if that's okay, and then Theresa can add in. 15:22 [SPEAKER_02]: My father was a placement, and he was a placement most of her up, bring 10 kids. 15:29 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a good man. 15:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what just did to him to know the police were involved. 15:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why what they did to me to be sure that my father never knew. 15:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 15:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the mind games and the brainwashing and them, all that one will have no idea where all that interjected. 15:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But when I came forward with to start talking, I did talk to the Watermer County police. 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Bill was with the cold case for sister Kathy. 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I have talked to seven different law enforcement people, whether they were with the county or whether they were more than that, but seven times eight times. 16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Watermer County Baltimore City, I consider us talking to Elizabeth Emory and the investigators for this. 16:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It takes our hillblocks for us to go there again and talk about it was three and a half four hours and I had someone with me and John looked at them at one point and said, well, what are you going to do with this? 16:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Because how many more times does she have to put her heart on this table or any of these tables and nothing be done? 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just the survivor who fails it, other people feel for us that this is hard. 16:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've had I've talked to a variety of and good people, but I can honestly tell you all those people that I've talked to. 17:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Never once said I had somebody come back to me and say we investigated that or we looked into that and we don't see where that can be true or we don't we haven't had nothing no I'm always the one that would call them I'm always the one that would email that. 17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: as the good little dooby. 17:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But I never get anything back in return. 17:26 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a policeman from the very beginning when I told George Dice's of the group of adults. 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember one of those people was the policeman. 17:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I still to this day don't seem face, but I know that it's that a major impact because he stood in his police uniform while I was made to do oral sex. 17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, my father was a policeman and this was very traumatic. 17:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I started to remember, it must have been, it was interesting because it was in the keepers. 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I had seen the old face of Scenel, but it was when a picture of him in his uniform younger goes across the back. 18:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's on a shelf. 18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 18:11 [SPEAKER_02]: What I'm sitting here was Sarah and Ryan and Jester and two chairs, and I found myself in the bathroom room yelling turned 18:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew him. 18:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And I knew, I didn't know what I knew about it, but I just had such a huge reaction. 18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So within three months, I remembered what I remembered about him. 18:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I also have remembered him two other times, penned abuse of situations that masked school had brought me to him abusing me. 18:43 [SPEAKER_02]: There was also what I started to do at one point when I started to feel like, whoa, wait a minute. 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to start taking this pool by at a halt. 18:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I have these faces and I don't have any. 18:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I have these memories in their faces. 18:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to be the good little girl and do it the way they want me to do. 19:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want anybody to say I made it up and I decided I was going to start asking for pictures or somebody had a picture that they could send it, but it would have to be in a 19:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it wouldn't be until I was sitting with her and I felt ready. 19:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I would open it. 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I know one of the times I had a I thought after a while you think that I can some of them, I had no reaction. 19:31 [SPEAKER_02]: They might have been that John and there was a father John I remembered back in the day and I wanted to find who's at that might have been, but it was interesting because these police, they were disgusting beyond the fact that they were police as men this Bob Zimmerman I would say. 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, I still shake, I just shook. 19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Worst, I just feel that these are people that I wonder if the department has records on these guys. 20:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there somebody who had been, some kind of record on their, did they get called down for something? 20:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Did somebody in the department penalize them for something? 20:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Because this didn't just happen in a room or in a park with master. 20:18 [SPEAKER_02]: This was behavior that could not be turned on in off, and that's where I find myself now, too. 20:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like 20:29 [SPEAKER_02]: The more that I am connecting to the truth of this within my life, within my body, within my mind, and my heart, and my spirit, the more I realize that we are calling for reports from the archdiocese. 20:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I, what reports being also given from the police department. 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I am hoping that this attorney general's investigation, because I'm sure I'm not the 20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I am hoping they're getting records from the police department so that they can see if some of those people that we have talked about are in those records have been written up, had been brought down a notch for behavior that was unbecoming a policeman. 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Jean, we've all run into a closed door in terms of getting information from the police department. 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel like part of that is that when you have talked to them personally and it's not really listening that they're protecting their fathers and grandfathers, the two generations who. 21:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Very likely abuse you and other girls who were involved in the polkyoma it could be but when I'm with them What I can still feel it like I just talked to two detectives two weeks ago Who are now the new detectives when they're cold case and I think that there's some fear But I think they don't necessarily believe the size of this 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the one I asked him after it was done, I said, so I want to know honestly, what do you think after I've just talked to you about this? 22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And he stopped be honest. 22:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, it sounds a bit out there. 22:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, but what I liked about this instead of this little manoeuvre holder, he had a binder that had to be that. 22:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, I want to use to that kind of expanded stuff. 22:23 [SPEAKER_02]: and he planned going to Polder and a binder and he said, but every time you've talked to some way when your story never changes. 22:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I have. 22:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought he heard me. 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I talked to the same officer. 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said to me, what I'm having trouble with, Gemma, is that first of all he could be my son. 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's totally overwhelmed. 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he's the only officer dealing with 200 cold cases. 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he has helped. 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But I want our viewers to know that he said to me there are tubs to you be us of documents here. 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: which was the weird thing for a cop to say, but I said, what do you need? 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And he gave me a list. 23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I need. 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I need you to make connections between all these people you're talking about a week later, he had it. 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was two pages long, but I made the connections. 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And he did some homework. 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, now I'm going to give you a timeline of the week before Kathy disappeared and the weekend she disappeared because much of what you heard is bullshit. 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: and I know the people that went to see her and we know some of the people who were likely involved that weekend and what's in the missing person report is not all accurate. 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of people that want this to happen and I said to him, if you would let Abby and me comment, look at what you have, 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: and have a detective sit with us. 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He can tell us the organization and she and I could say that you don't need to look at that. 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at this. 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not important. 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This is important. 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, we could solve this for you. 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, bye, bet you could. 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, let me send it up the line. 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking is he just blowing smoke up my butt and he got back to me and he said it would be fine with me, but my supervisors say no and my reaction to that he said there's nobody in this department that doesn't want to see this solve. 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't believe that because if they want it solved, they would accept help from people who have information. 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have sent them everything I have from everybody, and they won't accept our personal help. 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know Abby and I could do this. 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we could get the mail in crime victims, investigator to help us and their refusing. 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I still don't really believe that the police want this publicly solved because it's going to take down so many institutions and important people in Washington. 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my introduction. 25:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the same as the Archdiocese. 25:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a tip of the iceberg. 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not just something that grew overacted. 25:11 [SPEAKER_02]: This is behavior. 25:12 [SPEAKER_02]: This is trafficking. 25:14 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a organized ring. 25:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't die with mass school. 25:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I think of all the people he meant toward, just by giving them permission to do it. 25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not something that just gone away because those people died. 25:29 [SPEAKER_02]: This is something that is systemically wrong within the system. 25:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And it is still going when like I say until somebody says, I'm calling them out, I'm going to say who they are. 25:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to hold them accountable. 25:48 [SPEAKER_02]: May I call for medical, but I hope people will still trust it, say after until they do that, people will continue doing just whatever 26:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we need to start a series conversation, but it is the tip of the iceberg. 26:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that if they did that, they'd have to really look at the brothers and the fathers and the people they don't want to have at mouth. 26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Theresa and the spirit of calling them out. 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to talk about your experience with law enforcement, positive and negative? 26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went my friend, man. 26:28 [SPEAKER_02]: who went to Kiev also, and I were taken on one of mass police runs, I talked about it before, and this was seen seven Halloween masks took us to the wooded area, and there were a lot of props there, a lot of police cars, and I was attacked a beauty spark too recently in that right. 26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Mendo was never able to tell me exactly what happened in the heart. 26:58 [SPEAKER_02]: They took her away from me to another part of the woods. 27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm terrified. 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I am terrified to think about that night. 27:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't try to remember because I'm scared. 27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times people said, why didn't you tell anybody who would be better tell because the law enforcement was involved. 27:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They were involved. 27:20 [SPEAKER_02]: mask red friends that were policeman and they took part in the abuse and it's not just me saying this my friend is no longer witness Mandela was abused and other women that attended cannot and KEL if it's not my team said it's not just 27:50 [SPEAKER_02]: has to be done or I wish it would be done. 27:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And somebody in the minority, the records, I've always said, show me the records, show me the last school's records, show me the records with names on them, and open this up to an investigation. 28:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Just get somebody to look into it for us, we and stop it. 28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want the name names? 28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know the names of any officers that were involved? 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: that you want to name. 28:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have any names. 28:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember. 28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: The face since it was very dark, fell as abused in my back, both muscles core. 28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't identify them, but it happens. 28:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And happens. 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you like to say to the police to part of the Baltimore County Police Department? 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you just look into it? 28:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just me saying this, but maybe check it out and see what's going on. 28:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And make it a safe place for everybody. 28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I've sure there's a lot of good police out there that wanted to be the right thing. 28:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And I am of pure to them to check into them. 28:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say the same thing, but I would even, I don't know it. 28:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's bigger. 29:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost, I think we're talking to the community. 29:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we've already, it's not listening. 29:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Those who were saying, this is the community. 29:08 [SPEAKER_02]: When people stop putting money into the basket, that affects them. 29:13 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not talking to the church hierarchy, which are into the people who decide whether this is truth or not. 29:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what you're saying, Theresa, is 100% on target, but I also think it's about the community. 29:30 [SPEAKER_02]: demanding that this get looked into. 29:33 [SPEAKER_02]: What do we have 50,000 people sign a petition back at the beginning in the right day when it's a record? 29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a question. 29:41 [SPEAKER_02]: When I came forward and I gave the statement about my school. 29:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Next thing you know, he is out of all he cross. 29:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I was the scapegoat, but needless to say, he got taken out and sent for evaluation. 29:59 [SPEAKER_02]: If I've been in my right mind, I think I would have, it would have, Mike and I would have done this very different. 30:06 [SPEAKER_02]: But when they came, when Roy said, we don't have anything showing that he would be this kind of person. 30:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have anything that's just, do you have anybody that could corroborate? 30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if I had a right to that finding. 30:23 [SPEAKER_02]: If I have been in my right mind, and I was saying, this man did these horrific things to me. 30:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And they came back and said, we evaluated him. 30:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And he shows up fine, because they did it on my statement. 30:41 [SPEAKER_02]: If I would have had some right to that record of why they were letting him back out on the street. 30:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I know those records are gone now, but for future survivors, if somebody is evaluated when their allegation, Teresa, you might know this, is the evaluation, especially if they're saying we found nothing wrong, he's going back out on the street, or is the person who 31:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think the evaluation would tumble under the talk that she had with up here in the patient. 31:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And unless some kind of legal action to face where the records were being separated, don't think you have ants to see on. 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Just a hat to that though. 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: When I interviewed. 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: When I interviewed Sean Kane from the Archdiocese, he mentioned that he had looked at Maskel's file. 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And he mentioned that he told me that he knew that Maskel was a monster. 31:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think just what is the wording that he used. 31:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So I have a feeling that document is still there. 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And all that's still there. 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He said that he turned it over. 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe he said that he turned the file over to the criminal investigation, which will lead us into our next question, but could each of you explain your perspectives on that criminal investigation into clergy abuse from Ireland? 32:13 [SPEAKER_02]: The government, the Attorney General's, and Dr. Jason, and through it, yes, I think Jane mentioned and told them what happened to me. 32:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to talk about all of these. 32:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And they've heard it down about what happened to me and other survivors went and talked to them. 32:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's my understanding that they're conducting an investigation not only into the predator freeze put into the organizations that enable the spread of the previous. 32:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And my statement to the press couple weeks ago was in Pennsylvania, the attorney general data very similar investigation of their arts diocese and the provider of free and they came down in two years where they had the results and and a revised report heads roll they could 33:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were to the grand jury and they succeeded for some reason in Baltimore, the Attorney General four years now, since they started the investigation. 33:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, this is the last year to thrive for us. 33:19 [SPEAKER_02]: She's got to be in the Attorney General's office. 33:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know if it's going to take his place. 33:25 [SPEAKER_02]: If that person taking their place, it's going to continue risk investigation and to be arched to diocese is a fall to more vanry as to why do they cover up his abuse? 33:37 [SPEAKER_02]: What's going to happen to our investigation or did you start a period? 33:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to hear a status of the report. 33:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not asking to have to tell me any details because it's for us they went. 33:48 [SPEAKER_02]: What an onboard investigation. 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: That mean they weren't talk about it. 33:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a man in sight? 33:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a light at the end of the tunnel like in Pennsylvania? 33:57 [SPEAKER_02]: The victims in Pennsylvania got to see that light. 34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And we deserve as much here in Baltimore. 34:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with everything that Teresa said, I come at it as more of a survivor advocate, I feel that the silence of the first year was fine. 34:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I even have emails to Rich Wolf after the first year. 34:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, are you still there? 34:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Because as a survivor who is still dealing with a lot of my own, I've really felt like what's going on. 34:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Did they believe me? 34:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet they didn't believe me. 34:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So I spoke, I think, from two years later, I started thinking, they're following us. 34:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing's happening. 34:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But every time I got a hold of Rich, Wolfie had some Roy, nice, it's still going on or some kind of little and that always okay. 34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Good, okay, I'm taking it. 34:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we're four years and keep in mind, it started a year and after the keepers came out. 35:01 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my way of thinking. 35:02 [SPEAKER_02]: The key first came out and went worldwide, and we started getting all kinds of people coming out. 35:08 [SPEAKER_02]: We were then asked, please send them all to a virtual. 35:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Who was a lovely man? 35:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I am no bad things to say about rich. 35:16 [SPEAKER_02]: We signed them all down there. 35:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I was putting in an ad up to a genie and never spoke about anything. 35:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Any, any face, look at me as a mad from Jean. 35:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We were doing this. 35:25 [SPEAKER_02]: If we gave a talk, I'd make sure it was on the back of whatever our little pamphlet was. 35:29 [SPEAKER_02]: it's in my book. 35:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It's way or good people who were saying go talk to them because when I first heard it was going to happen, it was hopeful. 35:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought this is our last hero. 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the last thing that could possibly bring some kind of quote unquote justice to this. 35:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So for me, I started feeling the intensity of what Fiat with silence does. 35:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an old familiar for survivors because that's what allows where they abuse to continue. 36:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it creates a fear. 36:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And the fear starts build. 36:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think for me what I was saying and what I continue to say is what about those people who came forward. 36:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know I've done this too. 36:18 [SPEAKER_02]: When I went down trees and I gave them my whole litany of things again, I didn't want to mess up the case. 36:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to talk too much about it. 36:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to say anything outside of school because I don't want to be the person that messes this up. 36:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So we've got people who were talking for the first time, we sent them down there, and how many of them have not been able to come back and become a part of the social conversation, who may have been an affirmation for another person, may have been corroboration for another person, but none of there in that ceiling of, I don't want to mess this up, I don't want to say something 37:01 [SPEAKER_02]: but it's four years later. 37:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And Elizabeth Embrey has, she's been elected to another, she's a delicate for someplace downtown because she is working towards the next general election. 37:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So she got elected for the first part now, she's going into the second, and I would guarantee she's not even there now. 37:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So I had lost the sense of, I've lost any sense of believing that they, I have to see it to believe it. 37:31 [SPEAKER_02]: That well, how long ago they said it was going to be in truth. 37:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Even a ritual told me when I asked him for an update, it's coming. 37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to send it with there's going to, there's going to be an update when the social media. 37:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And this update was it was the same blurb that we've all been putting out. 37:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Frost said it was just the same thing. 37:52 [SPEAKER_02]: If anybody has information, there was no update. 37:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I great. 37:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like something. 38:01 [SPEAKER_02]: A drink of water. 38:02 [SPEAKER_02]: You're dealing with a group of people who can't handle the silence. 38:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It's reminiscent of a time when 38:11 [SPEAKER_02]: people were not taking care of y'all. 38:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I just think that needs to be taken into real consideration. 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys have done a press conference that got some national attention, your shaking up, your shaking the bar is really loud. 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We want to know what can the public do, anything that's practical or because we have an army worldwide. 38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to guess this episode is going to reach 200,000 people, one, six continents. 38:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know if anybody watches any Antarctica, but they probably do. 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to say to the public because they're not going to leave you? 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The institutions have turned their backs, but the rest of us are not. 39:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So what can we do to support your cause without giving you more work? 39:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry Teresa, I just have one quick one and it is, I have, I'm a survivor who's still surviving, so I have issues. 39:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So if I knew that people were coming out with those with signs. 39:25 [SPEAKER_02]: come out with signs when Teresa says there's going to be people down on the corner. 39:33 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the first press conference I did. 39:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you get enough people who are going to be coming out, you will get the media there. 39:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think when Teresa says there's going to be if people can come out with signs you want them for me. 39:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to go for me and for the other survivors who don't, who can't be in a crowd or afraid of who they may bump into, who are still remembering and maybe it's somebody still has been memories about you and you don't know it. 40:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think do it for me, but go out with a sign when they say we're going to now be starting our stand or the quarter at court. 40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a friend who is a professor in India, and we've done she has 500 law students who are attached to you too, and what can people like that do? 40:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't dry, what can I do? 40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Right letters to the general's office, to the newspapers, and say can you cover this working, find out what's going on, the legislatures? 40:35 [SPEAKER_02]: writing letters and sending emails instead of writing letters and making the words that's much less than what I just made noise. 40:43 [SPEAKER_02]: If you can't be here physically and send a letter. 40:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think what our listeners in what our viewers will take away from this is what the Archdiocese for all of this time has wanted. 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems after the keepers went out they have wanted people to 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And no matter who they need to contact or who they need to talk to, whether they need a contact, their representatives, or whoever it is, tell their friends, tell their family about what's happening, you want them to just make sure they're not forgetting and staying active and realizing what's happening here in Maryland. 41:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And to talk, wherever they are, this abuse goes on everywhere. 41:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Please, this is not about this key. 41:33 [SPEAKER_02]: This is about supporting children. 41:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And when I say that, a chorizo, because we're still that child inside that was traumatized and stuck. 41:47 [SPEAKER_02]: because it was as if someone threw a wrench into the system. 41:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, some people are making their way through if I've come, leave some bounds. 41:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Streetset does it a different way. 41:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the pies. 41:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that we'd need to also get that message across. 42:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Be speaking out for your community. 42:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Speak out at your churches. 42:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Speak out at your loan enforcement. 42:14 [SPEAKER_02]: make it clear that you will not tolerate this, that if this pops up in your life, that you will not let this stay asleep. 42:26 [SPEAKER_02]: you're not going to do it. 42:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that it would be a real benefit to all of us if that were a little bit more expressed. 42:36 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not just something to be watched and waited for this is something you could do right in your own backyard people who I think contact me about the keep versus how others tell others that other people know about it because if it had that kind of impact on you, you got to believe I'm none of us know who has been sexually abused. 42:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I would say that you might think everybody talk about this, talk about child and sexual abuse, be out there, use your voice, make no race in your community, whether it's Indiana, whether it is, Massachusetts, whether it doesn't idle, it is everywhere. 43:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And it needs to be combated with the truth. 43:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we're speaking is the truth. 43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say personally to you too. 43:29 [SPEAKER_01]: This was a powerful two and a half hours for me. 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And you are the most awesome, amazing bad asses. 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: This is poignant, it's profound what you've done today. 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think when you see it, 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to realize what a difference you're making in the world and what a difference that this episode of any that we've ever done is probably the most powerful. 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to thank you from myself because you're my friends and you're my key sisters. 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But before she encloses, I think it's important that we thank 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We called, we, we added people and we name names, but I think it's also important to give credit to the institutions that have really supported survivors and us, so I'm going to read this so that I don't forget anybody. 44:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We want to thank the following for their support in these efforts. 44:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And this man has done more than people know. 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: His name is Scott Suryano. 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the sex crimes detective for Baltimore City. 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And he has been available for years to all the survivors who were abused at Kio in order for them to be able to report because Kio is in the city. 44:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, the snap, the survivors network of those abused by priests, 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: rain, which is the rape and incest network and 24 hour hotline. 44:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited because I've applied to be one of their hotline volunteers. 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The sister Kathy says next survivors fund, which provides financial assistance for therapy to survivors of childhood abuse in Maryland and Pennsylvania, because the church does not give them enough in their 45:17 [SPEAKER_01]: for ongoing therapy. 45:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We also now want to thank the Maryland Crime Victims Resource Center, which is providing pro bono legal and investigative assistance to our survivors. 45:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to post contact information for all of these organizations, but Kurt Wolfgang, the Executive Director in Jeff Gray, their investigator, are doing their very best to try and help all of us and to move this along. 45:57 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching.
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