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2:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it out in high school, in southern Philadelphia. 2:28 [SPEAKER_04]: and really impressed with the wepting and doing with quite a spread of the economic levels of students. 2:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And I decided I'd like to do that. 2:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So when I was in my senior year, I signed up to going and that's pretty much how I started out after going through the initial 2:58 [SPEAKER_04]: stayed with them, went to college, had the sound college Philadelphia, my major was a science and mainly physics and math. 3:10 [SPEAKER_04]: The brothers didn't have a lot of physics and math teachers. 3:14 [SPEAKER_04]: They wanted me to do that, but it was difficult because it was hard to work in those well and labs, a lot of times they lay an over time, after graduating a state around who works an additional year, I went through physics in three years, and then state them out and build a fruit year. 3:38 [SPEAKER_04]: and got another degree in what they clear the master's in religion. 3:44 [SPEAKER_04]: My first assignment was teaching in Western Maryland. 3:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And at a time when the city was in economic depression and the railroad was closing up, they had closed their shops 4:07 [SPEAKER_04]: steam over to diesel and that meant that the oil of the coal lines out in western Maryland were closing dealers actually have been a hundred and starvation children passing out in school because they had nothing to eat for two days real starvation and these were the kids that we were teaching in cumberland i found real success there was able to teach them well 4:35 [SPEAKER_04]: So many of the standest two thirds of some of the boys when in the college and they had not been had that advantage before. 4:44 [SPEAKER_04]: It was working with a team of brothers who were just fantastic friends and teachers. 4:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And I felt a very proud of what I was doing. 4:56 [SPEAKER_04]: It was something I liked. 4:57 [SPEAKER_04]: They went to college, they graduated. 5:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So it was something that was winning with three our kids, the fathers and mothers were unemployed if they could get any job of their way would be just delivering a couple streets of newspaper and they would say it. 5:16 [SPEAKER_04]: So, I'd like one of those able to do it right before I have a lot of work, and these people was worthwhile and I was succeeding. 5:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And then after I was there, I guess about six years, then made a new to a science teacher at a brand new diocesan school, 5:46 [SPEAKER_04]: at the first year, the first branch waiting class. 5:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And they needed certain credits and degrees along their teachers to get the metal states that certification to be able to issue the plumbus. 6:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm just going to let that sort of a case with our credits fly and picked up. 6:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I discovered at Trinity, 6:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I was asked of teaching some general science freshmen, and I found out that they didn't know very much science coming into Trinity High School. 6:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I say it was just played level or maybe even for it's played level. 6:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And when talking with the other teachers and some of the sisters who were also taught there, after me, how are the girls doing in science? 6:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And they said, we have to go teach them the elementary school stuff before we can get to our high school biology. 6:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 6:49 [SPEAKER_04]: What do we do about this? 6:51 [SPEAKER_04]: My first deal of there. 6:53 [SPEAKER_04]: With a couple of the sisters, we offered to the superintendent of schools of the Harrisburg diocese to run workshops for the seventh and eighth grade teachers in the Paris schools for the Heartled diocese at Trinity. 7:11 [SPEAKER_04]: if the diocese would pay for the process, the expenses of the workshops for the sisters and they didn't have to pay me and they didn't have to pay the two sisters who were working on it. 7:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And we started teaching every other Saturday workshops. 7:36 [SPEAKER_04]: that they could teach in seven to eighth grade in their classrooms. 7:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Since we could buy a whole bunch of equipment, 7:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I would go out to the hardware store and buy some wood nails and stuff like that. 7:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And we would bailers, sandfills, and then give the sisters the things that they could take either bail them at the workshop or take them back to their parish and both. 8:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Not only do the sisters learn science, they boosted their science students up to 8:14 [SPEAKER_04]: from the enslaved students. 8:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And this was in Diocesan, Festane Floor, Entering Ice Force. 8:22 [SPEAKER_03]: What were the years that you were a religious brother? 8:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see, teaching my first classes in Western Maryland, September, 1959. 8:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I picked up my master degrees, University of Notre Dame, 1960, nine, 8:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's when I started teaching in Baltimore City as a brother with three other brothers. 8:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Can you just explain to me the deficiency in a brother in a priest? 8:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, a priest in a through a land of studies and things like that. 9:04 [SPEAKER_04]: and is usually trained at a seminary, and then is ordained. 9:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And their duties would be to say mass, administer the sacraments. 9:18 [SPEAKER_04]: and the preaching and the churches, and usually whip true states. 9:24 [SPEAKER_04]: The Christian brothers, I might say some of the best teachers I ever had seen, not just back then, but even today, are school based. 9:37 [SPEAKER_04]: They do not get ordained, and they were founded in France by a priest who had to keep fighting the clergy. 9:46 [SPEAKER_04]: No, we didn't will lot. 9:48 [SPEAKER_04]: We weren't in my brothers. 9:51 [SPEAKER_04]: So they were to teach, and the purpose in writing in the rules were to teach, but poor. 10:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And they used to grab round-up for the boys in the streets a pair for mans and other places in France, the entrance, and bring women and start teaching them how to read, write, and count and things like that. 10:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And really, change education from the tutoring in the monastery and church to simultaneously 10:29 [SPEAKER_04]: So the Christian guerrillas' focus was the chief superwar, and I found that the Christian guerrillas were building brand-new thrills in the suburban areas and closing their thrills in the inner cities, whether it was countered when I'd found them there, moving to Townsend, but at another edge of bandening 10:57 [SPEAKER_04]: really odd there. 11:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And I started to really want to do this, plus the sound range of, I was fussing my, much to increase education previously in a formal diocese. 11:16 [SPEAKER_04]: and being criticized and will no ground operation and stuff like that. 11:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Life can get overwhelming and talking to someone can make all the difference. 11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode. 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Make starting therapy simple. 11:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Complete a short questionnaire, and you'll be matched with a licensed therapist, and as little as a couple of days, you can connect by message, phone, or video, from wherever you feel comfortable. 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And if the first therapist isn't the right fit, switching is easy and free. 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Better help include a journal for personal reflection, and daily group sessions on a variety 12:03 [SPEAKER_02]: with over 2,000,000 users, and a 4. star rating on trust pilot. 12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Better help is a trusted platform for accessible mental health care. 12:13 [SPEAKER_02]: If you think you could benefit from therapy, visit betterhelp.com, choose our podcast during sign-up, and get 10% off your first month. 12:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Taking care of your mental health is a sign of strength. 12:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Start your journey today. 12:31 [SPEAKER_04]: No, they have their separate authority based that they're working for operation with the sciences and in many cases teaching in the schools or the diocese as both and also financed. 12:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And for their work, for brothers, then receive, they could have a stipend, but it's a pay that the individual brothers don't get, but the faculty of that school of brothers and some of that money goes to support the brothers training and the time in house and stuff like that. 13:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's a cooperative basis where they used to have lunch, teaching oil, the grades, schools, back in the 1900s and 1800s. 13:21 [SPEAKER_04]: The brothers were doing that usually on the high school level, running the noise section of schools. 13:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And they brought us something that I saw was changing 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Kia was one of those schools, one of those new schools, and you told me the top last week that you met Sister Kathy Ceznick and Sister Helen Russell, how did you meet them? 13:55 [SPEAKER_04]: When I was with 300 brothers, we informed a little about it. 14:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And we said, we don't want to teach you your high-brace schools to the top leaders in the district of the East Coast, mainly. 14:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And we said, we want to teach the prayer and the prayer in the city. 14:14 [SPEAKER_04]: So we want to teach in that urban education. 14:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I know we're going to sign out where they'd give us an approval. 14:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So they did a smart, keen experiment. 14:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I would have people, other brothers and nuns saw a list 14:39 [SPEAKER_04]: After we got out of the paper, we're going to play in a row of the Rachel now a plan. 14:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Approved the brothers say, okay, you can no do that. 14:50 [SPEAKER_04]: They'll teach them someplace, we'll choose by and more. 14:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're going around and some of the sisters doing 1969. 15:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd say in this thing now, where we had that approval, we were going to rent our house and we found the place, and we signed up as employees of Brandenmore City's fills. 15:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Same on the sister said, maybe we'd like to do that too. 15:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I was invited in the spring of 69 to go to signal, kill, high school, and speak to a group of the sisters. 15:32 [SPEAKER_04]: are interested in knowing what we're doing. 15:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Not the day we're going to all rush out, been the same. 15:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And there was a meeting. 15:42 [SPEAKER_04]: It was some time in the spring. 15:45 [SPEAKER_04]: As Seedon Kiel in there, Convinced. 15:49 [SPEAKER_04]: time on a knitting room or whatever, a larger room, with a group of maybe a dozen of the sisters. 15:57 [SPEAKER_04]: We're one of them now, why we're doing this and what are the details, and they're sort of going into some additional questions, who do you contact in a public school if you want to work there? 16:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Jalen Nita, that was her name at that time. 16:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I am so close there in that book of sisters. 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You're giving creed and it's to the story that we heard about why they left Kino. 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And what you're saying is that when you met with the sisters at the Convent, that was the topic of discussion. 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So you've made that all clarified that. 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: us because we never really knew why were they were leaving, but it makes sense that you spoke to them. 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And for the listeners that are not aware, Sister Joe Anita was Sister Kathy. 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: She changed her name to her real name before she left Keyon. 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So Sister Joe Anita was Sister Kathy and Sister Ignatius was Sister Helen Russell. 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We've given pretense 17:14 [SPEAKER_04]: The dedication was rising in the squirrels and in the Catholic Church by what on we're doing for Black children. 17:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And this was what, one year after the assassination of Martin Luther King. 17:33 [SPEAKER_04]: So this is the rising of the people who went to do something about people who 17:41 [SPEAKER_04]: on not being well-educated and should be. 17:46 [SPEAKER_04]: That's how I met those sisters. 17:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you had mentioned to Jim about a prayer in a discussion room, but you attended well in the cafeteria at Hurt's Bishop Po. 17:57 [SPEAKER_03]: What would you remember about that experience? 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what you told me last week was that you had been attending those prayer groups and that Kathy, Russell, and some of the priests that we've heard about, you shared with me that you had been going for a while before Kathy disappeared. 18:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And they would talk to you in those meetings about leaving Kiel. 18:28 [SPEAKER_04]: which were really an extension of the seminar and discussion groups of just weird Catholic education going. 18:41 [SPEAKER_04]: We're in there, I was teaching a done rar. 18:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I went to speak to Iowa sisters. 18:50 [SPEAKER_04]: We've not just school sisters and they were looking 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Or some of the other topics that you covered, because that was a really radical time. 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Steve, did you talk about the war? 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you talk about Agents? 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Jackson, what kind of topics did you cover? 19:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 19:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And the winner and me drafting kids from the city's squirrels, the boys, right into the Vietnam War, right after graduation. 19:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I was one of their things that I wasn't necessarily totally against the war. 19:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I was against the way they were doing things to the people, and that they, as I crowded and I had read it somewhere, this is a rich man's war and a poor man's fight, didn't like the way that they were taking before, 19:56 [SPEAKER_04]: after graduation, some is meeting with this group and we would get together, but no longer in the kind of end, and sometimes in the, in fact, it was in the school. 20:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And why the room, I don't know, but I remember going down steps to get to the room. 20:19 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a cafeteria. 20:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Probably the cafeteria. 20:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it didn't seem to be that large, though. 20:25 [SPEAKER_04]: But in any case, it might have been. 20:28 [SPEAKER_04]: But the discussions would go around political things. 20:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And then religious things. 20:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And new ways of teaching myths. 20:43 [SPEAKER_04]: might have been a late teacher who's not wearing an habit, but she distributed some new style of hymns that were not the usual churchy type. 20:56 [SPEAKER_04]: More likely, we shall overcome but in a Catholic way. 21:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know. 21:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And we learn those things and keep going. 21:06 [SPEAKER_04]: But the discussions from more like, 21:10 [SPEAKER_04]: What is our adventure and what's the future of the church and what's the future of the religion's orders because this ain't gone or last? 21:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was one of the people who had at least one foot in one of the options. 21:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, and fear, sister Kathy was missing. 21:30 [SPEAKER_04]: It turned into 21:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, are they meant on a spray for her? 21:37 [SPEAKER_04]: In cons and s farms, we knew she had been abducted when you'd nothing beyond that. 21:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Her body had not been found. 21:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody feared that she had been killed, but we did not have anything at all this time. 21:53 [SPEAKER_04]: So we would spray, waste out, and then I have a sugar session. 22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The big issue that is the reason we invited you, not just because you're fascinating and articulate speaker, but you shared with me last week that you remember Joseph Maskel being at the meetings and father Jerry Kub who was a Jesuit. 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Kathy and Russell, and I believe you said there were some other sisters from the Convent, and that brings me to ask you, you shared with me one evening in November of 1969, which was after Kathy disappeared, but before she was found. 22:43 [SPEAKER_01]: that the nun who organized the meeting asked you to drive Joseph Maskel to where he had left his car. 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell us can you pick it up there and tell us where you went and what happened because it's brand new input made and for everybody. 23:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I was not a leader of the group. 23:06 [SPEAKER_04]: But one of the sisters asked me if I would provide transportation for find a masquerle, you'd go pick up those cars. 23:16 [SPEAKER_04]: We're coming at Brown in the 930 or so, and drive out. 23:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Are okay, sure. 23:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Give them a ride on it. 23:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And when I took him from my car, then we started out. 23:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, where are you, part? 23:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, you know what I'm going to get it directly to the car. 23:38 [SPEAKER_04]: There's something I have to pick up. 23:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, where is that? 23:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And we was getting directions by low standard section by intersection. 23:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And we went to this row of apartments. 23:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think we've been able to identify what street it is. 23:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Right on the Edmonton Avenue, you know, 24:04 [SPEAKER_04]: in the summer. 24:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's most likely laundry, clean. 24:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, I think it was literally not seem to be a ride price. 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There's the Abby Square apartments. 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's on Nutty Lane. 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That's closer to Edmonton Avenue. 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a block away. 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also down Nutty Lane is the I.B. 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Crossing at Cate and Stole apartments. 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Both of these apartments are still there now, but they have been there. 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what one of them was sent from the forties, they both been renovated and updated. 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it the Ivy crossing is that one closer to Frederick? 24:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes 25:17 [SPEAKER_04]: There were a lot of independence, and just as a side, the independence player, Kathy, and the other system who rented when we left Neuro and much better, these were in need of reconstruction. 25:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, there's something I had to pick up there. 25:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I ran right here and said, now come on with me, we might have to room something. 25:43 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a new information to me. 25:46 [SPEAKER_04]: probably in the movie business. 25:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't say that, but it seemed like we then up to let the appointments were on a range level, definitely higher than the street. 26:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And we went in to the first floor. 26:03 [SPEAKER_04]: He then led the way to the left. 26:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the gym light piles in me, 26:16 [SPEAKER_04]: and we came to the rest of the fragments in that, now we know it went away. 26:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess we'll write enough for Kelly and some furniture but not spacious by any means. 26:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And we came just about to the end of the runway and you stopped trying to the left for a burrow or less on think the last apartment. 26:43 [SPEAKER_04]: that would have most likely windows facing out towards the street facing what took out a key inserted in the knob. 26:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was just a lot of separate walk. 27:00 [SPEAKER_04]: In the nine of the apartment to run like it, but the key would not turn. 27:07 [SPEAKER_04]: The key wouldn't move. 27:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So it obviously was like the key for that appointment. 27:16 [SPEAKER_04]: That either way, something was wrong. 27:18 [SPEAKER_04]: We couldn't open the door. 27:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he's turned to me and he said, I'm trying turning the key with you, turning the loud. 27:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, it's coming from a lemon o'clock now. 27:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're in a place I didn't remember at this place. 27:34 [SPEAKER_04]: It was, we're making the emirons. 27:35 [SPEAKER_04]: We played that arrested. 27:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't have any tools here, so, you know, I don't think I can help you. 27:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And he tried it. 27:43 [SPEAKER_04]: No, just try training the law and wipe it up there. 27:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, no, you're round open off, if she won't turn, you're out, you won't go. 27:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And he seemed a little bit disturbed with that, felt the key, put it in his pocket and said nothing, let's go. 28:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So, out we went, stuck back in the car, and I seemed to tell me, this is very strange. 28:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I only saw it and was a little bit taken back by the way that he stooped, and the way that he sort of got upset, but I wouldn't have. 28:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me just mention something else. 28:21 [SPEAKER_04]: When talking with him in my cry, I know those that he would spark very slowly and stepfully, or I'm not writing the words with his voice. 28:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And most priests, I don't know what they do that. 28:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Most of the talks in lunch that they can't get them to stop the salmon. 28:46 [SPEAKER_04]: This didn't seem to match. 28:51 [SPEAKER_04]: So when I said, where's your car? 28:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, so in the case, we got in my car and gave it directions. 29:03 [SPEAKER_04]: And we were heading back towards Seaton, Kio. 29:07 [SPEAKER_04]: On this, it's Keaton Avenue, but I'm not sure. 29:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Just down between the hospital, 29:20 [SPEAKER_04]: We went down that hill, and I said, we're getting close to seeing deer again. 29:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And we said, let me just write over and we left there. 29:29 [SPEAKER_04]: We went to a parking lot that was a long-witted level of toward no given space pool. 29:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And right around that section, it looked like the Rogers Garage Dolors in the Lenin level. 29:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And I know the story has to be an industrial school. 29:50 [SPEAKER_04]: but I didn't make any thinking about it. 29:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, where's the car? 29:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And when he said there it is, late there, so we went down. 29:59 [SPEAKER_04]: It was down on the parking lot. 30:02 [SPEAKER_04]: First of the seat and deal. 30:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And all I did think of was, for all this, he could have left his way up there. 30:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And it wasn't that far. 30:12 [SPEAKER_04]: From seat and deal to this gunfire. 30:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I said, 30:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, here it is. 30:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I said to him, I'm going to wait until you start the car because of the battery's dead and I snap up to him. 30:26 [SPEAKER_04]: So, that was it. 30:28 [SPEAKER_04]: He got in the car, thank me. 30:31 [SPEAKER_04]: But it just seems so strange, nothing made sense. 30:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Please let the work places I never was in before. 30:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, 30:43 [SPEAKER_04]: At no time, did we know that Kathy had been killed or that there was sex crimes for an run in kill at that time? 30:57 [SPEAKER_04]: So we didn't have enough bucks to time together. 31:00 [SPEAKER_04]: My question after this and the accusations that the priest was in battle. 31:09 [SPEAKER_04]: and that I had been surrounded near the Mariah, why did he want my single brand swim that night? 31:17 [SPEAKER_04]: What was in my room? 31:19 [SPEAKER_04]: These are questions that made it detectives if they had sewer information, made it in my information, would have checked out. 31:31 [SPEAKER_04]: It would have been a real, would come up in a diverting unsuspicious, 31:37 [SPEAKER_04]: If Kathy's body, they would, any of her clothing or possessions were in that appointment with my favorite friends on the door knock. 31:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Did he touch the door knock? 31:52 [SPEAKER_04]: He did not touch the door knock. 31:55 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's a question I have at this time and so an answer to the other information who's coming out. 32:04 [SPEAKER_04]: that why did he try to get my fingerprints on that now? 32:08 [SPEAKER_04]: If it wasn't part of a cover-up, the diver, but he gave them a new person to question and be suspicious about. 32:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So just to make sure I understand correctly, you said that Kathy had disappeared, and then after that's the interaction that you have as mascoe when you brought you to that park. 32:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Correct. 32:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And then he was inserting the key to the door. 32:32 [SPEAKER_03]: He was not touching the door knob, but he was asking you to turn the door knob, but the key is key to that turn. 32:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I had a feeling that there was something that just didn't run up with this. 32:45 [SPEAKER_04]: If we came in every way up here, why the hell didn't you have the right key? 32:49 [SPEAKER_04]: If that's what he wanted, that's the logic. 32:53 [SPEAKER_04]: This was not logical. 32:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Was this the only interaction you ever had with follow my script? 32:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's about it. 33:00 [SPEAKER_03]: What did you think happened to sister captain? 33:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that sister camping might have. 33:08 [SPEAKER_04]: God in information, and since she was so highly loved by the girls, I think they tore her with her, at least one. 33:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that was the most terrible threat. 33:26 [SPEAKER_04]: She was the most terrible threat to Moscow and his entire association of petaviles. 33:37 [SPEAKER_04]: with that type of crime, if somebody, even in it, wordly gets tied into it, who's outside. 33:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Please think we're a detective or somebody like that. 33:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Just happens to get aware of it all shot by and see. 33:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, on a positive, for that point on, lamp mail, it's gotta, you can turn me in and on to them if I'm you're vulnerable. 34:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So blackmail is a good cover up. 34:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's what was taking place. 34:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And after a while. 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody took you back to that apartment, would you be able to identify the apartment that you were taken to? 34:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if somebody tried to do that. 34:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We might have the opportunity for you to do that. 34:28 [SPEAKER_04]: With more recent recent from time of the crime, 34:34 [SPEAKER_04]: The truth was out there for forensics, they've improved. 34:39 [SPEAKER_04]: That sort of thing, it's the already original dials, for something like that. 34:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe there's some evidence. 34:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And that can be fished out from in-between brains over a wood or on a wood controller. 34:57 [SPEAKER_04]: You should put it to a there. 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Annie do you have anything you want to add? 35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just wanted to add a little bit about when my father's whether and I and the 90s when this all research is what we went down monumental and just a little bit about what happened there. 35:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We stopped at one of the houses that would have been there and they were actually outside. 35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They were moving boxes. 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They were getting ready to move, actually. 35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We just took them in. 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: My mother was asking us some questions about were you here during the time of sister Kathy's murder and her body being found nearby and they said, oh, yes. 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, the police never asked us any questions. 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: here they are right near them. 35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many houses were around there at the terrain. 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They said that one of their kids playing outside sound or props in the area. 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And they just made a comment of by wonder if that was something that the murder had. 36:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, nothing ever gave that they didn't go contact the police or anything. 36:07 [SPEAKER_04]: And with shed, the police never contacted her question, anybody will never. 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They also didn't question anybody that lived in the carriagehouse apartment. 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you believe that? 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 36:20 [SPEAKER_01]: If you guys, I've talked to some that there's resonance, they're still living. 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And they told me that nobody knocked on their door. 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And the only people that the police talked to were those who lived on the court where the car was found. 36:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of those people had seen the car, but the people who had done the very same apartment, and one of them was Billy. 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They were never questions. 36:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But your information has been really held with workers and we're hoping that maybe somebody who knows something about that apartment, 36:53 [SPEAKER_04]: maybe that some, you know, one of the survivors was taken there, what was just mentioned about on questioning people where we should have been questioned by the police. 37:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I said to me the lady who was backing boxes and going to move. 37:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I said, have you ever seen enough priest driving around this room? 37:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And she said, no, I haven't seen anybody drive them all in the room, but the man who he lives over here on the other side of the road has framed him as a priest, sometimes props in, maybe a lead, and maybe another unconnected dot that there's something else. 37:43 [SPEAKER_04]: There are many aspects of justice. 37:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Justices, they catch the criminal and they prosecute them punished. 37:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's IPA. 37:54 [SPEAKER_04]: There's another type where, even though we can't get a conviction, but if I believe we'll know what happened. 38:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, what you're doing is you got it. 38:05 [SPEAKER_04]: But then there's something else. 38:07 [SPEAKER_04]: If we can talk to some of the people, we were maybe on the peripheral, and they tell us a little more of the story of what they saw, much like I read. 38:29 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 38:56 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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