0:00 [SPEAKER_08]: The new week OVPill is now available through Weight Watchers. 0:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Powerful GLP-1 results in a simple pill at the lowest price available. 0:06 [SPEAKER_08]: And with Weight Watchers, you can get Dr. Support and Personalized Nutrition Programs. 0:10 [SPEAKER_08]: See if you qualify at WeightWatchers.com. 0:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Add not review to our proof by Novodordusk. 0:33 [SPEAKER_07]: 16-year-old Pamela Lanconyers was last seen on the night of October 16, 1970. 0:40 [SPEAKER_07]: At the Haylandel Mall in Glen Burnie, Maryland, she was at the Mall to buy shoe polish, free school dance. 0:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Prior to her visit to the Mall, she attended the Glen Burnie High School's homecoming bonfire in Pepp Rowley. 0:58 [SPEAKER_07]: Around 830 p.m. she was putting the final touches on her outfit for the dance and needed shoe polish. 1:05 [SPEAKER_07]: She asked her mom for $5 and the keys to the family's 1967 Dodge Monaco and headed to the Heyrendel Mall near her twin-red drive home. 1:19 [SPEAKER_07]: Four days later, a man walking through the woods found the family's car. 1:24 [SPEAKER_07]: Police found Pam's body nearby in a wooded area between the eastbound and westbound lanes of Maryland, 177, presently known as Route 100 near the waterford road and route 648 overpass. 1:39 [SPEAKER_07]: At the time her body was discovered that section of the road was closed for construction. 1:46 [SPEAKER_07]: She was found on her side wearing pants and an inside out pulled over sweater. 1:53 [SPEAKER_07]: She had been sexually assaulted, her purse and underwear were missing and have never been found. 2:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Something to also note is that some reported that her car had been swept clean of fingerprints. 2:08 [SPEAKER_07]: Hey guys, welcome back to foul play. 2:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Today I'm joined with Gemma and we have another special guest. 2:13 [SPEAKER_07]: This time it is Ingrid and we will explain to you in a minute who Ingrid is and how she relates to the case. 2:20 [SPEAKER_07]: But Gemma first I wanted you to explain to us six of the possible victims that might be related to Kathy's case. 2:27 [SPEAKER_10]: Hi everybody. 2:28 [SPEAKER_10]: It's so good to be back here with Shane again and I'm actually going to tell you Ingrid's 2:38 [SPEAKER_10]: So, she is the niece of one of the victims, Pam Connyers, who was murdered in the same area as several other cases. 2:52 [SPEAKER_10]: And when Abbey Shabb and I visited, 2:55 [SPEAKER_10]: Officer Corporal Robin Teele after the capers was released. 2:59 [SPEAKER_10]: She shared with us that the police department does think that these six cases could be related. 3:07 [SPEAKER_10]: So I'm going to remind you of the cases you might want to write some of this down and then also give you the ears because that will give you a better concept of the big picture and where the bodies were found. 3:21 [SPEAKER_10]: So Cathy says next, 3:22 [SPEAKER_10]: disappeared in November of 69, and her body was found on monumental avenue in health work, which is near not far from landstown in January of 70. 3:35 [SPEAKER_10]: The next victim was Joyce Malekke, and she grew up in health work near St. Clement's church, where remember Joseph 3:51 [SPEAKER_10]: and her body was found also in November of 1969 when the Fort Need Army date. 3:58 [SPEAKER_10]: So the FBI was responsible for that homicide. 4:04 [SPEAKER_10]: The next one that we have is October of 1971, and that was the ant of our guest today. 4:13 [SPEAKER_10]: That victim was Pam Conner's 4:17 [SPEAKER_10]: her niece and great is going to tell us more about that case and I have some information about the case that perhaps the inverse family doesn't have so I'll share that after she talks. 4:28 [SPEAKER_10]: The next one after that was Danny Crochetti who lived and hung out with his friends in our Lady of Victory Powerish. 4:40 [SPEAKER_10]: And his body was found off of Wilkins Avenue behind that church. 4:46 [SPEAKER_10]: Massbow is also a sign there. 4:48 [SPEAKER_10]: And that was not really very far from where Sister Capy and Russell were living and not real far from T.O. 4:56 [SPEAKER_10]: And that was in March of 1975. 4:59 [SPEAKER_10]: The last one that we know about that the police think may possibly be connected is Heather 5:09 [SPEAKER_10]: And that case was later, that was September of 1982, Heather lived in land down, and I've talked to her best friend who saw her the night that she disappeared. 5:23 [SPEAKER_10]: And she believes that Heather was hitchhiking. 5:27 [SPEAKER_10]: and whoever picked her up or grabbed her off the street murdered her and her body was found all the way around the Baltimore Beltway on the north side in an area called Timonium also very close to Tulsa. 5:42 [SPEAKER_10]: So those are the six that for one reason or another the police think may be connected, none of those have been solved, none of them. 5:51 [SPEAKER_10]: So today we're going to turn 5:55 [SPEAKER_10]: and angered welcome to the program and we're just going to let you take over and tell us what you remember about Pam and anything that you're feeling those about the case. 6:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thank you so much for talking to me often. 6:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really excited to learn many things else about the case. 6:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So my name at birth was Halley Conjures and my dad is William Christopher Conjures, both 6:25 [SPEAKER_09]: I believe she's three or four years older than him. 6:29 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think I learned that my dad had a sister until, yeah, I kind of found out at some point. 6:37 [SPEAKER_10]: I think that was maybe the seven or eight so that was something we really didn't talk about. 6:43 [SPEAKER_03]: My dad also had a younger brother and we were in vacation with his family since death and we never really talked about him. 6:51 [SPEAKER_11]: So initially, all I knew was that my dad had a sister who was murdered, I think, is what they told me first. 6:58 [SPEAKER_09]: And then kind of as I got older and got interested in the talk about, I have questions about the case. 7:07 [SPEAKER_10]: And if this really didn't know anything, they didn't want to talk about it. 7:10 [SPEAKER_09]: So, I think in the early 2000s, I remember my dad was contacted by somebody about a DNA, I think it's an intense body for a DNA. 7:19 [SPEAKER_09]: some kind of DNA test, and his mother, Karen, and his mother, I think denied the request, and that was the last thing that I heard about it for a long time. 7:29 [SPEAKER_09]: So I heard that this case was potentially related to the Keepers documentary, back when that came out, and started to kind of look at what that next might be and just find out if there was any new information 7:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of write up on a bunch of stuff and chat with my dad. 7:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't really know anything new. 7:55 [SPEAKER_03]: But hopefully you guys will get to talk to heaven and find out what he actually does now. 8:00 [SPEAKER_07]: I'd like to take a couple of questions for you. 8:01 [SPEAKER_07]: The first one is, how did you come across our podcast? 8:04 [SPEAKER_07]: You actually reached out to us because you heard us talk about P.M. and that you weren't just mentioned that you were related to her? 8:11 [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I am kind of involved in the true time community. 8:15 [SPEAKER_11]: I guess true time podcast community. 8:18 [SPEAKER_10]: And so, your podcast was mentioned as something people would enjoy if they like the papers and I, that you were in my list and then I actually searched for Pam's name in Apple because you can search by um audio now. 8:31 [SPEAKER_10]: So, I searched for her name and your podcast. 8:34 [SPEAKER_07]: That's really cool. 8:35 [SPEAKER_07]: How did you learn that Pam could have a connection to the keepers? 8:39 [SPEAKER_11]: So, I believe it was when the keepers had just been released or was just about to be released. 8:44 [SPEAKER_10]: So they found out later that my family had been contact about it, my grandparents, and they said no again. 8:50 [SPEAKER_10]: But in more of the articles that are blog posts I read, I mean, I can't name this pop-up. 8:57 [SPEAKER_10]: Right, I might be able to help with that sham. 9:00 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, when our filmmakers were working on the keepers, we had a list of about 15 murders that had happened in this area over the period of time. 9:13 [SPEAKER_10]: And we went through them one by one and many were eliminated because they had been solved. 9:19 [SPEAKER_10]: Pam was one that was still on the list with the other five that I mentioned. 9:25 [SPEAKER_10]: So it's very possible that Tri-Pod Media, the producer's name was Jessica Lawson. 9:32 [SPEAKER_10]: She may have contacted your uncle. 9:36 [SPEAKER_10]: No, you're dead. 9:37 [SPEAKER_10]: We're grandparents, right, to see if they would be interested in doing an interview. 9:43 [SPEAKER_10]: And the other ones that they contacted, except, well, we know about the Mollackies that story kind of goes to the end in hand with Sister Kathy, but the others did the same thing. 9:53 [SPEAKER_10]: They talked to the Montana family, gracious family, and they opted to not 10:01 [SPEAKER_10]: be involved in the documentary, which is totally understanding. 10:05 [SPEAKER_10]: So that might be the reason that they got in touch with the Brown father. 10:08 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that makes sense. 10:11 [SPEAKER_07]: How old was your dad when him whimpsing initially, and then it ended up murdered? 10:17 [SPEAKER_10]: He would have been 11. 10:20 [SPEAKER_10]: She was 11 when she disappeared. 10:23 [SPEAKER_09]: No, my dad was 11. 10:25 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, and she was four years older, is that correct? 10:28 [SPEAKER_09]: I think so, but I think she'd already turned to C. 10:32 [SPEAKER_10]: Have you ever been told anything about the conditions under which she disappeared or have you read much in the newspaper about the alleged story? 10:56 [SPEAKER_03]: and that she was abducted and she was missing, and then she was found and had been sexually assaulted and murdered. 11:05 [SPEAKER_09]: And then they always thought it was a hell of angel, or something like that. 11:10 [SPEAKER_10]: Why do you think your family thought that was what happened? 11:13 [SPEAKER_09]: I honestly have no idea. 11:14 [SPEAKER_10]: That was kind of an event that it was just somebody that was passing through town and there wasn't any more evidence or whatever. 11:23 [SPEAKER_10]: Do you know the Baltimore area or are you familiar with the area where she lived or where she just peered? 11:29 [SPEAKER_10]: No, not really. 11:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I was born in Baltimore, but we've lived the last time I was three. 11:34 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, and I'm going to make sure our listeners understand that Ingrid is way too young to have been alive when her aunt went missing, but Ingrid, do you remember how much time went by between the night that she disappeared and when she was found? 11:49 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know, I don't think so. 11:51 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we could look bad up probably. 11:53 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. 11:55 [SPEAKER_10]: I want to say it was no more than like a couple days. 11:57 [SPEAKER_10]: Right, kind of. 11:59 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I have some information that might be helpful for you. 12:03 [SPEAKER_10]: So this is not something that's going to freak the audience, but you and our listeners when you listen to this podcast, you might want to get a map because I can tell everybody exactly where she's 12:21 [SPEAKER_10]: I always think of this city in the center if you think about the area that one across would be where the number nine is, okay, an outside clock, like going west. 12:37 [SPEAKER_10]: Does that make sense? 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 12:39 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay. 12:40 [SPEAKER_10]: So there's an area out there, and it's called Columbia, and there's also an area called 12:48 [SPEAKER_10]: And those are both places that are in very close to or in Howard County, where Pam was found was when the median strip, the grassy median strip of the highway, which is now called root 100, and root 100 was still around the time that Pam just appeared. 13:15 [SPEAKER_10]: because it was not open to the public at that time. 13:19 [SPEAKER_10]: So we're talking about a big highway, you know, a number of lanes going in each direction and a very wide median strip in the middle. 13:31 [SPEAKER_10]: And because Rick 100 was not open at the time, for somebody to take her there or to drive her car there, 13:42 [SPEAKER_10]: They would probably have had to move some barriers or if they were law enforcement. 13:51 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just not implying that, but I'm just saying that they would have had access to any room, so police corps, her car was found on the grassy median strip. 14:05 [SPEAKER_10]: For keys were there, her body was outside the car 14:11 [SPEAKER_10]: And anger, I 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has been implicated and possibly being involved in Mr. Kappie's mother. 17:11 [SPEAKER_10]: Now in the years that Pam disappeared, the relationship parents, their parent home, was 17:23 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to use the phrase as the crow flies, like the straight line was one mile from where Pam was found. 17:33 [SPEAKER_10]: So, if you put a dot, what Pam was found between the two North-Syself lanes of Route 100 and we drew a line going east, for a mile, that's where the Smith parents were living. 17:50 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not saying that's significant, but it was new information and share and just found out from mom. 17:57 [SPEAKER_10]: It's not where they were living at the time. 17:59 [SPEAKER_10]: This was not the monumental road family house. 18:02 [SPEAKER_10]: This was a different house. 18:04 [SPEAKER_10]: So when she told me that, I got in touch with the Annelundle County Police Department. 18:13 [SPEAKER_10]: And I asked for whoever was handling Pam's case. 18:20 [SPEAKER_10]: And very nice officer was a woman, and I shared the information with her, and she said they were aware of that. 18:28 [SPEAKER_10]: She said, I appreciate that. 18:31 [SPEAKER_10]: I also asked her, let it down. 18:45 [SPEAKER_10]: And I said, so you're familiar with Robin T.O. 18:49 [SPEAKER_10]: who, at that time, this was before Robin just retired, but this was probably not going to be here, though, maybe. 18:55 [SPEAKER_10]: She said, yes, she communicates with Robin regularly, so that I was just really to know that Anne of Rondo County was sharing information with Baltimore County about these six 19:15 [SPEAKER_10]: but a mom was not fall or it's walking distance. 19:20 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. 19:20 [SPEAKER_10]: But anyway, she sent me and said appreciate that. 19:24 [SPEAKER_10]: And yes, we will continue to, you know, look for answers. 19:29 [SPEAKER_10]: Do you have contact at the and around the police department? 19:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I spoke to someone there a couple of years ago. 19:36 [SPEAKER_09]: I think I'm pretty sure that 19:39 [SPEAKER_09]: what they said was that it's an open, like, active investigation. 19:42 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, right, so they couldn't give me a need. 19:45 [SPEAKER_10]: Mm-hmm. 19:46 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, and this is entirely up to you, but I can, in fact, track and guess that officer's name, if you just want to have a contact there, yeah, I know that they get information only goes one way of learning that, right? 20:00 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, you know, I gave information to them, but there's nothing they can tell me, but at least it would give 20:08 [SPEAKER_10]: that if you're you and your dad, you know, wanted to reach out to them or get an update that you might have just a name that you could ask for. 20:16 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that would be great. 20:18 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if that would be great. 20:20 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, if we're just moving. 20:21 [SPEAKER_07]: When we went in Baltimore, when the Jim and I went around the area, to look at the significant places, one of the things that we noticed was how close a home that was important to Billy, the edge grandmother, led lived in is right there next to where Kathy was found in the same area, so it's again interesting that he would again have a significant place near where Pam is found. 20:51 [SPEAKER_10]: And he lived in the same building that we could have lived in, which is not close to where Pam was found. 20:59 [SPEAKER_10]: And he lived across the hall, and I have had the opportunity to talk to two of the people that lived there at the same time, not part of Kathy's family or Russell's family, but one lived upstairs from him, and the other lived directly above the sisters. 21:20 [SPEAKER_10]: of those women said that he was very kind, very nice kept himself, his steps on would play outside with their children, and they would not have suspected him of any wrongdoing. 21:38 [SPEAKER_10]: They said that we usually very quiet around there. 21:41 [SPEAKER_10]: They were not aware of any parties, that the nuns were having, you know, we've heard all kinds of things like the nuns gone well. 21:49 [SPEAKER_10]: But these women, one of them, the one that left up there was the actually said we considered doing a podcast with us. 21:57 [SPEAKER_10]: But she told me that she should sit in the room that looked out on the parking lot where the nuns were parked at car. 22:06 [SPEAKER_10]: And we have a few colleagues who remember she were yelling in the night and that was coming from that area. 22:15 [SPEAKER_10]: And this woman, she told me she never heard anything. 22:18 [SPEAKER_10]: Now, it was November and it was probably eight in the evening 22:26 [SPEAKER_10]: She said she, you know, it was really her sitting area, not like she's spying on people, but it's like a wrapper for something was by the window. 22:35 [SPEAKER_10]: She said she never heard anything. 22:37 [SPEAKER_10]: She did say that usually, Billy part of that parking lot as well. 22:44 [SPEAKER_10]: And because of the way the buildings set up, Kathy would often go around to the back to go in 22:54 [SPEAKER_10]: And Billy would go around to the front. 22:56 [SPEAKER_10]: Now, they're barriers there that you can't go all the way through the breezeway, but they were not at the time. 23:05 [SPEAKER_10]: So he could have come around the front of the building and his apartment was on the front of the building and going in his door. 23:11 [SPEAKER_10]: And Kathy would go around the back and he would go down a couple steps because her apartment was on the basement floor. 23:23 [SPEAKER_10]: everything was very quiet he was very polite and nice and we just don't know I mean you know Sharon and her mom are very credible and we know that he committed suicide and said that he was going to do it several times right change and that would happen and they would get help and then all of a sudden 23:47 [SPEAKER_10]: they didn't believe in any morning, actually did it. 23:50 [SPEAKER_07]: So we just didn't know. 23:52 [SPEAKER_07]: Just a couple questions for you. 23:53 [SPEAKER_07]: You can grade the first one is I know that you mentioned that you've done a lot of reading up on Pam's case as well as information that you'd have got from your family. 24:02 [SPEAKER_07]: So from what you read them from what you've heard from your family, what do you think played out? 24:07 [SPEAKER_07]: What do you think the events that led to Pam's death? 24:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I honestly have no idea. 24:17 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't creep down the street or, I mean, I kind of doubled the health angels thing. 24:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where that came from or it could have been related to something bigger. 24:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I, yeah, I just have no idea. 24:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there's very little information right now. 24:31 [SPEAKER_10]: Where did he live? 24:32 [SPEAKER_10]: Do you know where his family lives? 24:35 [SPEAKER_10]: Anna and Anna and Elle. 24:37 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, and I know of them all that he went through. 24:40 [SPEAKER_10]: It's not the same one that we do game on time, 24:45 [SPEAKER_10]: But do you know if she live near that moment? 24:49 [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know how much she lived them all now. 24:52 [SPEAKER_10]: So if your dad wants to talk with us, he probably could give us that information. 24:58 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, absolutely. 24:59 [SPEAKER_10]: So are you the only one in the family that really is intrigued? 25:02 [SPEAKER_10]: And wants to figure this out even after 50, well, not 50 years, but almost. 25:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know about my cousin, I don't think that if I haven't talked to them, we're not really close. 25:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I don't know if any of them are potentially interested, but I feel like I would have lost them in the true primers, kind of let those hate a safe situation stuff by now. 25:26 [SPEAKER_10]: So sorry, I know. 25:28 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, the only one my granddaddy still alive, we're not really close. 25:33 [SPEAKER_10]: He leaves everything on the west coast now as well. 25:36 [SPEAKER_10]: I have never started 25:38 [SPEAKER_07]: One thing that you might be interested in finding out if you talk to a law enforcement or anything, we know that whoever drove Kathy's car and whoever drove Joyce's car, drove with both feet. 25:52 [SPEAKER_07]: So if you are able to talk to the police department, maybe that's a little piece that you can get out of them but that's something they keep in mind because if you did find that out then that would be very important, I feel like. 26:04 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, can you explain that 26:08 [SPEAKER_11]: So I think I understand. 26:10 [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, OK. Yeah. 26:11 [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. 26:12 [SPEAKER_11]: And it wasn't a manual part. 26:14 [SPEAKER_11]: So you wouldn't normally need to be. 26:15 [SPEAKER_07]: Right. 26:16 [SPEAKER_07]: Right. 26:16 [SPEAKER_07]: I also wanted to ask, was Pam or your family Catholic? 26:20 [SPEAKER_11]: No, they're about to ask. 26:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, so I was definitely a family. 26:24 [SPEAKER_11]: They're about to tell them about this. 26:25 [SPEAKER_11]: But Pam did a lot. 26:27 [SPEAKER_11]: So I meant to not forget when I talked to my dad, I mentioned that, like if I asked if you could see you have a neat connection to Catholic Church. 26:34 [SPEAKER_11]: And he said that. 26:35 [SPEAKER_11]: He thought that if she had like a couple of friends that she would volunteer with out of them to pass the church and that she was really involved in just like church and like volunteering and stuff like that. 26:46 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you know what type of events those would have been? 26:49 [SPEAKER_11]: I think it was like soup, kitchen, kind of deal. 26:51 [SPEAKER_11]: I think he said like making sandwiches. 26:53 [SPEAKER_11]: That's the only thing I can think of. 26:55 [SPEAKER_11]: But I mean he probably remembers a lot that I can. 26:57 [SPEAKER_07]: I can do. 27:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Gemma, did you 27:03 [SPEAKER_10]: I read in the newspaper and we can't, you know, always trust everything we hear, that Pam had gone to a bond fire that was like a pet rally for the school, and then after that went to a mall to get nail polish, I think she was getting we should go into a, not a prom, a homecoming, or, 27:30 [SPEAKER_09]: It was, I think it was Shusha. 27:33 [SPEAKER_10]: Shusha? 27:33 [SPEAKER_10]: Probably. 27:34 [SPEAKER_10]: It's not male-police. 27:36 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. 27:37 [SPEAKER_10]: She was going to a, it was one of the normal, like, dances, like, a homeroom, or a, um, supper. 27:44 [SPEAKER_10]: You know what, Brad's from his end? 27:45 [SPEAKER_10]: She was what? 27:46 [SPEAKER_10]: 16. 27:46 [SPEAKER_10]: She was maybe what I do now. 27:48 [SPEAKER_09]: I think she was a, yeah, I think she was a junior. 27:51 [SPEAKER_10]: And do we know what school? 27:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Not up to top of my head, but I mean, 27:56 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm sure our listeners will find that like within the next three seconds. 28:00 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we have it, by the way, welcome to the tribe. 28:04 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, the other thing was, you know, she was ever involved in any kind of modeling. 28:10 [SPEAKER_10]: Because I've seen her picture. 28:12 [SPEAKER_10]: She's, have you seen that really super cute picture of her with the curly hair? 28:16 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. 28:17 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. 28:18 [SPEAKER_10]: She's darling little thing. 28:19 [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm wondering if she was ever involved in any kind of like team modeling. 28:24 [SPEAKER_09]: I have no idea. 28:26 [SPEAKER_09]: I have no idea. 28:28 [SPEAKER_10]: Mm-hmm. 28:29 [SPEAKER_10]: Okay. 28:30 [SPEAKER_10]: That's how we think that Grace Montana was targeted. 28:34 [SPEAKER_10]: that she showed it in the paper as part of the team modeling competition and she was at a mold modeling in the, you know, the insides mold. 28:45 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that's why she was targeted and then later picked up because whoever picked her up over that they could get her into the modeling competitions. 28:55 [SPEAKER_10]: So I don't know if that's something that maybe, you know, dad might know more about. 29:04 [SPEAKER_10]: All six of these cases, I think, were in the fall of the years where they disappeared. 29:12 [SPEAKER_10]: They were either October or November. 29:15 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry, Danny was smart, but the others were either September or November. 29:21 [SPEAKER_10]: The other thing that I don't know if this is significant or not, but that so many of the 29:34 [SPEAKER_10]: And, you know, it's just something that they had in common. 29:38 [SPEAKER_10]: So we just don't know, but all these questions and ideas are out there feel like we just need to pull all the balloons in and start putting the pieces together. 29:48 [SPEAKER_10]: We would really like to help you with that if you would like us to try and find out more with you. 29:54 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, absolutely. 29:55 [SPEAKER_10]: I would just love to know whether somebody got just already that something my dad mentioned that it was different from the possibility that it was someone who was 30:03 [SPEAKER_03]: They had turned out we'd already come back to another crime and started starting to fail, but it's not, and it's part of the notes, we're kind of in an open case. 30:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to leave it like we're gotten without any questions. 30:16 [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, that's what we want to understand, and that's what we want to understand. 30:21 [SPEAKER_10]: Something like, anyone else, is there anybody else in your family, any siblings or cousins that are interested in pursuing this, but you know, not that I know of, but I will reach out. 30:32 [SPEAKER_10]: I'm safe to friends with everyone at least, so I can at least end my face. 30:37 [SPEAKER_10]: I know that my brother isn't interested yet, but I don't want to know for her. 30:44 [SPEAKER_07]: Did you have any other questions, Emma? 30:45 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, no, but I think if angry was maybe asked with that, if he's willing to talk to us and then either, if there's one of the West Coast as well, angry, 30:56 [SPEAKER_09]: My dad, yeah, my dad's in the window. 30:59 [SPEAKER_10]: So if he's more comfortable doing it with you, we would love to have you back again and you and your dad can talk and then let Shane know if that's something that he would be willing to do. 31:09 [SPEAKER_10]: And again, like Shane said, you get the final OK on anything that gets released. 31:14 [SPEAKER_10]: That is just for all your ball game. 31:15 [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm really grateful that you reached out. 31:19 [SPEAKER_10]: There's no coincidences, right, Shane. 31:21 [SPEAKER_10]: Right. 31:22 [SPEAKER_10]: And we've really feel 31:24 [SPEAKER_10]: really blessed that you also were looking for justice for your aunt because she deserves that. 31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I really think so. 31:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel bad that she just kind of got forgotten for so long time. 31:37 [SPEAKER_10]: Well, we're not going to forget her. 31:39 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah. 31:40 [SPEAKER_07]: I did want to ask just, and I know that you clearly weren't born yet when Pam died, but in your dad was only 11, but do you know about anything about Pam, do you know what her personality was like, what's she like, anything like that? 31:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, from what I heard it, she was just really involved in like a lot of different things, but I was in high school, I thought that I reminded him of her because I did 32:08 [SPEAKER_10]: singing and volunteering and clubs and like just hands and a lot of different groups and new a lot of people and everybody really liked her. 32:18 [SPEAKER_10]: Here I'm the she was like a popular head and she was older, you know, she was in high school, he was in middle school but she was still, he got from about like social status, she was still over in school. 32:28 [SPEAKER_10]: I think she was the period of her, and she did a lot of like volunteer. 32:32 [SPEAKER_10]: I thought she was really involved with volunteering with the church. 32:38 [SPEAKER_10]: when they were kids. 32:40 [SPEAKER_10]: So I don't know if that was with her. 32:43 [SPEAKER_03]: And she did talk like I was in high school and she's unfortunately kind of a really spoke the care about it. 32:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I don't know if that was what we needed to get there. 32:50 [SPEAKER_07]: This might be a question we'd have to ask your dad, but do you know how they found out? 32:55 [SPEAKER_07]: Like did she just not return home and they started wondering where she was? 32:59 [SPEAKER_11]: Yes, and I think they actually got kind of a call out earlier because there was that dance and there were people who were expecting her there. 33:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, our parents thought she didn't come on from the dance, but then their friends are calling me because where she wanted to show up. 33:14 [SPEAKER_10]: I was the same night. 33:16 [SPEAKER_10]: The dance was, oh my goodness, I didn't know that. 33:20 [SPEAKER_10]: Mm-hmm, yeah. 33:21 [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, wait, you know what I was saying? 33:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you had a day. 33:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I asked my dad, I don't think he could eat it. 33:27 [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't remember. 33:28 [SPEAKER_03]: But I know that now that I've asked him about it, he's probably thought about it more. 33:51 [SPEAKER_08]: This is the new Weight Watchers. 33:54 [SPEAKER_08]: It works. 33:55 [SPEAKER_08]: For members like JoJo, who's learning simple healthy habits. 33:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Sharia, who's making progress with meds, and Kim, who still gets to eat what she loves. 34:04 [SPEAKER_08]: For over 60 years, we've helped millions of members find what works for them. 34:09 [SPEAKER_08]: Now, it's your turn. 34:11 [SPEAKER_08]: Watch your life open up. 34:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Watch your story shift. 34:14 [SPEAKER_08]: Watch what you're capable of. 34:16 [SPEAKER_08]: Watch it work. 34:21 [SPEAKER_04]: You know that goal you set at the start of the year, you can still do it, whether you're committed to a through-hike with friends, lifting heavier, or simply walking more. 34:30 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not too late to stick with it and make your future self-proud, especially with the all-in-one nutrition shake from Kachava. 34:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Because quality nutrition shouldn't be complicated. 34:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Just two scoops of Kachavas all in one nutrition shake, and you've got 25 grams of protein, 6 grams of fiber, greens, adaptogens, and so much more. 34:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Plus, it actually tastes delicious. 34:53 [SPEAKER_04]: No fillers? 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