0:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Donna. 0:34 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you? 0:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good, so just say you know everyone is watching and listening, so don't say anything to inappropriate, challenge accepted, we had dinner, can you guys go out there, okay? 0:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So Donna, we're going to go ahead and start. 0:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to try to hold my phone and report and ask questions. 0:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to pray that it works. 1:00 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so we're recording. 1:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going to happen is this is going to be an episode on the podcast. 1:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So I will start the episode just by our normal introduction. 1:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Jim and I are so laid back, we don't have any set way of starting. 1:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is it. 1:14 [SPEAKER_01]: OK. 1:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome everyone to another episode of today. 1:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We are actually in 1:20 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the name of this play? 1:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Green belt. 1:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 1:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll delete that part. 1:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll know exactly what I'm going to say today. 1:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We are in green belt Maryland. 1:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm here with Teresa and Donna is joining us by speaker phone. 1:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I hope that everyone out there in podcast link in here. 1:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome. 1:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to start first by just making a short little mention. 1:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So 1:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday, Gemma and I was going around Baltimore and in the future coming weeks, you'll hear some of the audio that we had recorded. 2:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We recorded with some really great people. 2:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You're here from the Joyce's family, Joyce Malakis family. 2:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We also played on doing a future podcast with them to go a little bit more in-depth, but they met with us and it was a very emotional meeting. 2:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You're here more connections between Kathy's case and Joyce coming up. 2:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We also met with 2:20 [SPEAKER_01]: some other important people, for example, Sharon Schmidt. 2:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So we met with her. 2:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw where her uncles were shooting, where her grandfather's shop was. 2:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw where Kathy's remains were found. 2:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And we recorded the entire time. 2:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'll be walking around with us. 2:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And that'll be something that's going to be coming up. 2:39 [SPEAKER_01]: A cool thing that I know of Jim and was here that she would also agree with me is we've done more 2:50 [SPEAKER_01]: and we continue to find new information and we continue to speak to new people who are coming out to tell their story. 2:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And so one of the first things that I wanted to talk about really quickly turn point on, just a little bit. 3:04 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that I wanted to mention really quickly, I posted this on our Facebook page, I think last night. 3:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the very beginning or end of the podcast, what I would like to start doing is allowing survivors whether they've come out or not. 3:18 [SPEAKER_01]: to vocally say I am a survivor. 3:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So I set up a phone number. 3:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The number is eight one two seven two seven four five two eight. 3:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you call the number, it will go straight to voicemail. 3:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We do not have the ability to work at who called. 3:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you call, all I want you to say is I am a survivor. 3:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I got the idea for this because, 3:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Many people reach out to me, whether it be Facebook or email, saying, how, because of the keepers, they would like to come out to their family, but they're struggling with it, and I've also witnessed some people who say that they have suddenly got the strength to do that, and it was their time to do it. 3:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So this will be a way for those who have set it to say it again, and so people can keep it on their mind that there are survivors out there. 4:06 [SPEAKER_01]: but also I would like to give an opportunity for those survivors who are not yet ready to tell their story and to speak about it the opportunity to say the words out loud and so that's what you'll start hearing at the very beginning or end of the podcast so again the number is 8127274528 4:26 [SPEAKER_01]: On Wednesday, we had met people for lunch, and I just wanted to share this quick story about being in the life of a podcast right. 4:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We met people for lunch, and of course I had no idea we were in a landsdown, but I had no idea where we were going, and we get there in Germany, and I cold-call people all the time. 4:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Or we email them, which is always a very interesting thing because, hey, I have a question for you, and I know this is going to sound super weird. 4:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But there was actually a funeral home across the street from where we were having lunch. 4:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I thought I was like, that name just sounds familiar, and I had to think about it. 5:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But actually I had called called the owner of it because we get tips all the time, and we had gotten this tip. 5:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, okay, I'll just call. 5:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So I call a funeral owner, lady, inserted. 5:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, I have a really weird question and she's okay and I was like 5:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Around late 1960s, early 70s, could you hide a body there for a period of time without anyone knowing? 5:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, maybe. 5:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I promise this is not weird. 5:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was the place that I called and so I was like, Gemma, we can't be seen. 5:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want that lady to show recognize my voice. 5:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I know she will. 5:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that just goes to show. 5:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We are always cold calling people. 5:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And if we receive a tip, we follow up on it. 5:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And whether or not I call a funeral home one day and show up. 5:46 [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes soon for a lunch across the street. 5:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so leading into this, traces here with me today. 5:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Trace and will always hold a special place in my heart because 5:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been a podcaster now for a little more than three years, and it was actually because of one of my, it was actually my very first episode that I did on a murder victim in Cleveland, Ohio, that I got connected and I heard about Kathy's case. 6:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know much about it, and when I first talked to someone over the phone, I really preferred not to know much, just like and ask questions, so I didn't know much. 6:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And Teresa's name was one of the first that I found while I was doing just a quick search for people to talk to and this was prior to the keepers. 6:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember calling you and I was sitting on my couch thinking we were going to talk to me that we were going to talk about a murder. 6:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden Teresa tells me what happened to her. 6:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will never forget how I felt just sitting there at what? 6:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think because of that, I wasn't expecting it. 6:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And Teresa, I want to say, bless your heart just because my family is from the south. 6:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But Teresa, I'm going to move this off there too. 7:01 [SPEAKER_01]: OK. 7:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So as I was saying, Teresa will always hold, 7:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I hung up on her too. 7:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a hot mess sometimes and it's been a long week, but Teresa is very vocal about her experience and her wanting for change. 7:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that I will always look up for her for doing that just because I can't imagine what you've had to go on through like what you've gone through and then to speak about it and then to do something about it like that's just amazing to me. 7:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you for that. 7:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate that, but what happened to me so long ago when I was just 16 has been with me my entire life and I've often said that there is not a day that goes by. 7:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That father math school's name doesn't come into my head. 7:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I either read something about him or I just remember something like some of his fetishes that he had have stuck with me And I come forward and talk about this because it needs to be told people need to know that this weird stuff is happening 8:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And we have to stop it from happening again and a lot of time there have been people I don't like to say pro church but I'll say pro church say and that all that was a long time ago that was 40 years ago when he did all that there's a case in 2018 of father fox and in Ohio and pregnant a 16 year old girl. 8:39 [SPEAKER_02]: in 2018, okay, that's last year. 8:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do Skype with Venezuela, Argentina, a lot of the South American countries and they tell me that when they say anything about a priest touching them inappropriately, they go under house arrest. 8:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They actually have to wear ankle bracelets and if they're lucky, they won't get shot. 9:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's South America. 9:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've heard from Ireland where Moscow has a few kids. 9:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We got Germany, Australia, France, all over. 9:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So as long as there's a abuse going on, I'm going to talk about it. 9:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to talk about going in to father maskels off this when I was 16 years old and asking him for help because I had a problem with my parents. 9:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a communication breakdown. 9:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll talk about that. 9:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And within the first 15 minutes of being and father, mascal's office, the door was locked. 9:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And he had me naked within 15 minutes. 9:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like going from the frying pan into the fire. 9:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times, I've said, straight sex would have been a mercy, a blessing. 9:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But he had so many odd fetishes that the man was just all over the map. 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry guys, I'm not used to this weather up here. 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You've mentioned before to me about Masco's and I'm a back, do you talk about that? 10:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yes, for some reason, Masco had a fetish with orifices. 10:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He would like to lay me on the altar in the chapel at Kiyo and press on my abdomen. 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And he would say that he was going to be a doctor. 10:29 [SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to be a doctor, but he got a higher calling to be a priest. 10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, you can't feel that you can't feel that you're full of crap and he said we're going to take care of that. 10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So he'd take me into the bathroom, which was in his office at Kio. 10:44 [SPEAKER_02]: need to minister animals to me and he'd pour his chair around and watch. 10:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And to this day, I have a lot of really weird bathroom problems and my husband can tell you that if I don't have a locking door on a bathroom, I'm not using it, that kind of stuff. 11:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I get to rupture? 11:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, please, Donna. 11:09 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all right. 11:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I got to say I have to say too. 11:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to be so completely private of going to the bathroom and do that towards a lot to everything else. 11:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't know. 11:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It makes it easy when you say that E.G. 11:26 [SPEAKER_03]: you and Anna, but more like you were chased around. 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: attack was the night all that was the repository the animal didn't work for someone godly reason so he opened his desk drawer where he kept a lot of his weird play toys and he pulled out i didn't know what it was it was a repository again i'm naked except for my socks i had my socks on 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: and Father Maskell literally chased me all around in his office. 11:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I was jumped over his desk that a roll, I ran into the corner, and he tackled me, he caught me, and he inserted the suppository, and laughed hysterically, carried me into the bathroom, and put me on the toilet and brought his chair around. 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing happened because he inadvertently put it in my vagina. 12:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was pissed and this kind of stuff. 12:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I always worry that because you can put drugs in the past the story, I always worry that was a way for him to get drunk to people. 12:35 [SPEAKER_02]: That makes total sense because a lot of times, I remember going in there. 12:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember getting, even taking my clothes off and chasing me around and doing this stuff. 12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: But then the next thing I'd remember is I was being driven to my parents' house by him and his car and they thank the good father for taking care of me. 12:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't remember like from the first hour and a half. 13:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was in there for at least six hours, what happened? 13:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So drugs could very well have been inserted that way. 13:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, the deck in the six seasons, David, David, I'll keep the pod to show you the nursing hands to old people that was called not that. 13:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And it would help them flee tonight. 13:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And sure, we were all giving so many different 13:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just in our chat. 13:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd have to agree with that. 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Also to sodas, he always would give us a soda and he'd let a smoke a cigarette. 13:43 [SPEAKER_02]: which was merciful thing, but doing what he wanted to do was merciful. 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know now that the sodas had to be drugged because I have lost time, just three hours. 13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times I lay at home trying to go to sleep and trying to remember, how did I get dressed, who put my clothes on? 14:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember. 14:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember my clothes never been black in any way I would button them to go to school in the morning. 14:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be so neat and they were all white, wrong and I want your food happen to me. 14:20 [SPEAKER_02]: yeah it was a mystery it was a mystery but see the problem that was happening with my parents was a severe problem it was that the Vietnam War was going on 1968 and I was hanging around with hippies and one day my mom smelled wine on me 14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: and asked to look through my purse, and she found some paraphernalia, and she also found an unused syringe. 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the unused syringe was for a friend of mine that had gotten into heroin, and she had contracted hepatitis. 14:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I got that needle for her from another friend whose father was a doctor, and 14:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I tried to tell my parents that, but at 16, with a needle in your purse, it didn't fly. 15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They were hysterical, they could not be consoled. 15:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I had ruined the whole family, and when I went to school to next day in hysteria, 15:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I went to Father Maskell. 15:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I went to him because, during open house at Kio, they, the guard, the guide, or whatever, said, if you ever have a problem, there's the good Father Maskell here that will help any of the girls get through any problems they may have. 15:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So my good friend, Linda, 15:36 [SPEAKER_02]: walked me down to Father Maskel's office, and I said, I need help. 15:41 [SPEAKER_02]: My parents found things, and it's not what it seems, could you please help me? 15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And he smiled, and he led Linda out, and locked the door, and then he started abusing me at that point. 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: life can get overwhelming, and talking to someone can make all the difference. 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode, make starting therapy simple. 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Complete a short questionnaire and you'll be matched with a licensed therapist, and as little as a couple of days, you can connect by message, phone, or video, from wherever you feel comfortable. 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the first therapist 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help include a journal for personal reflection and daily group sessions on a variety of topics and they accept each essay and FSA cards. 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: with over 2,000,000 users, and a 4. star rating on trust pilot. 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help is a trusted platform for accessible mental health care. 16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: If you think you could benefit 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17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: You weren't an easy person to talk to, you took care of this, but it was like going through zombie motions, and she is collateral damage. 17:49 [SPEAKER_02]: She suffered through her childhood, not understanding my mom's a little wacko every once and a while. 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I raised them all pagan. 17:58 [SPEAKER_02]: My my youngest daughter is a matter of fact. 18:00 [SPEAKER_02]: My first mother and law force me to take her to Sunday school and she at age five said, who's the dude on the cross? 18:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I loved it. 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And the sunny school teacher looked at me and I said we're leaving now. 18:18 [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't need to know who the dude is. 18:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And we left. 18:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But I always raised them to follow the golden rule. 18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, others what you want done to you. 18:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But you do not need to go in those buildings. 18:31 [SPEAKER_02]: They call churches because 18:33 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need it. 18:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you're in adult, if you want to go worship a rock in the back yard, find by me, if you want to go into those churches, go ahead, but I did not raise them. 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And any can I enter get here? 18:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, my daughter speaks out also, but I do, I do believe in a universal God. 18:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And I would take my kids to church. 19:01 [SPEAKER_03]: and not doing a church service at first. 19:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I would always look for holy people. 19:11 [SPEAKER_03]: One time, my bad mother Teresa, I took my kids to see and my daughter ended up doing it in a combat. 19:20 [SPEAKER_03]: When they heard the key verse was coming out, they clicked, they told her they wanted her to go to Africa. 19:32 [SPEAKER_03]: All day we paid her medical education and my daughter said no, I want to be your teacher, my daughter had to leave the time that because of the keepers, they were going to send her to small team in Africa and I felt so bad, I can't tell you that they have that, but daughter is. 19:54 [SPEAKER_03]: you're annoying and she follows her goal of teaching theology and philosophy, which she is all in for following a true God, true church that takes care of people and not walk them the way the Catholic Church has. 20:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't. 20:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Deeply respect everyone's faith. 20:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm never here to bash anyone's religion. 20:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I deeply respect everyone, whatever your faith may be, but say, bury me with a physics book. 20:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't put a Bible in there because I'm more in science and I just don't have any belief. 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: do you think that what happened to you, a keyo, affected that is that what you think also? 20:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it did because when I was an elementary school at St. William of York, I was a devout Catholic. 20:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I did the first Holy Communion. 20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a model student. 20:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I did the stations of the cross. 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I visited church. 21:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I wrote stories about the Bible for extra credit. 21:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And I believed most importantly, I believe that the priest was God on earth, because that's what we were taught back then. 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have a problem, you go to a priest because that's God on earth. 21:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I did when I was in trouble, and it just all went south. 21:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was never able to recover religion after that. 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I never desired to either. 21:34 [SPEAKER_03]: He had a great experience. 21:38 [SPEAKER_03]: But I had been abused previously by night natural father biological father and I went to I remember being in first grade and the sister with sister Monica at midnight where I went to 22:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You have a perfect father and a perfect mother. 22:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And happy. 22:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Your earthly parents are all perfect. 22:14 [SPEAKER_03]: That's definitely my whole life and help me get through different situations. 22:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm thankful for Sister Monica. 22:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you're mental, everything was destroyed. 22:28 [SPEAKER_03]: by him in my think. 22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I even swallowed in the first and second grade where the non-sautious about hell, and some of them were very sadistic, said that picture yourself burning for all eternity forever and ever like a piece of charcoal that's never going to burn out. 22:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to burn there forever. 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And even your mom can't drop one single drop of water on your tongue to give you any relief. 22:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where you're going to go if you don't follow the rules of the church. 23:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't just the rules, I don't know, the 10 Commandments. 23:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a church rule, it was a cannon rule, it was like, don't eat fish on Friday. 23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, if I ate meat on Friday, if I ate meat on Friday, I just thought it was all over. 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I will add one quick thing that I really love is that I've noticed on Facebook on the Archdiocese page that a lot of people can comment what they want and they haven't been deleting it. 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And so one time there was a post about not eating meat because of a certain reason I'm not Catholic. 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you all have heard that many times. 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And Gemma was brave enough to comment something about, oh, so we're going to hell if we meet like why is this a thing and it's still there deleting those things. 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say a quick thing also, and I say this all the time, I promise someday I'll stop saying it, but I'm not Catholic never was Catholic, but this experience, it seems like it's a cult. 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm the only person that thinks that, but it truly does like it's scary. 24:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I would have to agree for the reason that at say William of York, religion was paramount and was through interwoven between all of our subjects at other subjects English math and would have you, but all the time the nun would end up bringing God into it and then we'd all have the kneel down on the wooden floor and say the rosary and back then we didn't have air 24:36 [SPEAKER_02]: we had a meal and say the rosary and we would be taken to visit to the church whenever the non-felt like it. 24:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So some of the day I would say four hours would be four religion and we might get an hour of math if we were lucky in a little bit of English. 24:53 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not right, not right. 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Donna was there any other questions that you wanted to ask about the abuse 25:07 [SPEAKER_03]: authors really thought and not the could you in a post-traumatic state. 25:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And after you've been exposed, don't abuse on a author. 25:20 [SPEAKER_03]: What can you say about religion? 25:23 [SPEAKER_03]: He has destroyed everything. 25:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And once I'm going to act on a happy year now, I want to tell you why I'm so vocal and it's for the reason you started this podcast. 25:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to give words that are unspoken. 25:44 [SPEAKER_03]: The people, so they can learn to speak out. 25:49 [SPEAKER_03]: It is so good and a free feeling to be able to speak out. 25:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Theresa, can I tell them the story of when we went to a graveyard in near where you did? 26:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yes, go right ahead. 26:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So Theresa and I, we were looking for a grave and we were right by her half and we 26:27 [SPEAKER_03]: know that we've been there before. 26:30 [SPEAKER_03]: There are so many times when this happened and it's one reason why I've played the live in Pennsylvania and not Maryland that I know a beast has occurred there that everything has been ruined when you talk about collateral damage driving down this 26:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Pet Patepska State Park where Mass School abused my friend Linda and me where we were both raped by cops while he looked on it's hard for me to enjoy to wilderness I like being outdoors but stuff like that crashes down into your memory. 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And, of course, my friend Lyndon, she passed away seven days after the keepers aired. 27:20 [SPEAKER_02]: She took too many pills, but she never got over it. 27:25 [SPEAKER_02]: She never was able to get over it and get on with your life, her life. 27:38 [SPEAKER_03]: had died early in her life from alcohols, I believe. 27:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you have many people at most of their lives, do you do? 27:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you do the church trying to save money? 27:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's unbelievable to me. 27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll speak of the money. 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a good point that you brought up, Donna. 28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I have some figures that I want to talk about as well in just a moment, but I want to jump into Marilyn's law. 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's currently trying to be passed. 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And if anyone has seen Facebook anytime soon, you probably would see Teresa out there with her sign, which is where she normally is. 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But I know that Marilyn is trying to pass a law to eliminate the statute of limitations. 28:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Tracy, can you explain? 28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: To us, normal people who do not go inside courtrooms often, what this means and what it could mean for survivors in Maryland. 28:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the the dough row case back in 95 lost on a technicality. 28:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It was ruled before the case even started that the Statue of Limitation did stop our right to sue, that we had three hour, three years, excuse me, from age and majority 28:51 [SPEAKER_02]: for Father Maskell raping us. 28:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, I was 40 years old when that case came through. 28:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The church has lobbyists that keep the statute in check. 29:03 [SPEAKER_02]: so that it's virtually impossible to have any victims of clergy abuse or other abuse for that matter, the coaches would have you sue because they limit the statue of limitations. 29:17 [SPEAKER_02]: What we're trying to do here in Maryland and many other states are doing the same thing and hopefully we'll all be successful is to eliminate the statue of limitation on pediatric 29:32 [SPEAKER_02]: abuse because it is so death when a child a young person and innocent person is sexually abused they can't come forward the average age for someone abused that is 52 years old 29:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 29:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Maryland made it seven years longer. 29:54 [SPEAKER_02]: We could sue. 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's up to age 38 that people could sue and then they throw clauses in the lobbyist paid by the church money which people that go to church regularly put in a collection. 30:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It goes to pay in these lobbyists to keep the statute the way it is and they added a clause last. 30:14 [SPEAKER_02]: time 2017 that we would have to prove gross negligence in order to sue the entity responsible for the perverted priest, which they enabled, which to bishops and the cardinals enabled that we couldn't sue, which is couldn't sue because gross negligence is impossible gold to reach as an attorney in Maryland. 30:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It used to be ordinary negligence, okay, say I left the dog, the pit bull, loose it in the front yard and a kid got chewed up. 30:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's negligence, that's ordinary negligence. 30:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And gross negligence, an example of how hard it is. 30:55 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a case where a paramedic pronounced the man dead, and he went to the morgue, and they found out he was alive. 31:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Fortunately, they were able to bring him back. 31:06 [SPEAKER_02]: However, that mistake, 31:08 [SPEAKER_02]: didn't rise to gross negligence in the state of Maryland. 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't rise to that. 31:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So the lobbyists make damn sure they throw in these words that are impossible to overcome. 31:22 [SPEAKER_02]: What we want is a two-year 31:30 [SPEAKER_02]: can come forward and have their day in court, tell the judge, tell the jury, tell the lawyers on the other side what it was like to have been sottamized and raped vaginally orally, you name it, let them hear it, and then let the jury decide which should be done. 31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: and the church sure isn't going to do it, the church needs to fire the cardinals, fire the bishops, hold them accountable and put them in jail. 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: If any of you went out and did this to a kid, you know, I'll be in jail. 32:05 [SPEAKER_02]: No question asked, but you put on the collar, you put on that collar and it's magical. 32:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll keep you in money. 32:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll keep them in a nice retirement. 32:20 [SPEAKER_02]: is starting with the Statue of Limitations. 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to get rid of it. 32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Will this law coming up? 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Will this be effective for both criminal and civil? 32:36 [SPEAKER_02]: just a civil okay just a civil they were getting confused confusing at the senate i was at the senate last Thursday and not the speaker for the church was trying to say that people would be able to sue for medical malpractice indefinitely 32:52 [SPEAKER_02]: and stuff like that. 32:54 [SPEAKER_02]: This statue limitation which we're trying for is a very narrow thing. 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It goes to the victims of child sexual abuse only and it gives them their day and court where they can get the money they need to go to therapist. 33:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I work for SNAP. 33:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I have had people cry to me that the church was paying for a therapist every day. 33:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They felt like they were going to hang themselves and all of a sudden they get a letter from the church is, oh, no more money for therapy, you're done. 33:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We can't keep sending you. 33:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not right. 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Statue limitations would allow a jury to say, okay, let's provide this person mental therapy for the rest of their life. 33:39 [SPEAKER_02]: This is with me. 33:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I am 64 years old. 33:43 [SPEAKER_02]: This has been with me since I was 16. 33:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Never left. 33:50 [SPEAKER_03]: To resign the National Institute of Health and their remarkable work they've done for veterans and post-traumatic stress and it applies to childhood sexual abuse. 34:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Why you don't remember your brain in protecting you for a while. 34:12 [SPEAKER_03]: While it takes 34:13 [SPEAKER_03]: 40s or 50s or 60s to become healthy enough to be able to handle that. 34:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I get the lobby and look at that. 34:24 [SPEAKER_02]: That was another legal point. 34:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Was a repressed memory was not recognized in the 90s. 34:30 [SPEAKER_02]: When my case came up, but since then, I have been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and disassociative personality problems, but back then in the 90s, the church people coined a phrase false memory syndrome. 34:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even recognized in the DSM, which is the diagnostic statistic manual for mental disorders. 34:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The church made that up, false memory syndrome. 34:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And when they were saying, in my case, this repressed memory is impossible. 35:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not. 35:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been scientifically proven that the hippocampus right down to the hippocampus of the brain. 35:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I know, which makes the fight or flight, whether you're 35:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're so spiritual, actin, that's definitely a, like it could come mammals, reptiles do this. 35:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course we were protecting ourselves. 35:29 [SPEAKER_03]: People say how come you didn't tell someone so, you couldn't even move or hardly breathe. 35:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's all this medical exploitation and genetic 35:44 [SPEAKER_03]: how it has changed our connect this happening. 35:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And the church is just happening like we are hurting that it's out there for the world to sit. 35:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the medical community really has to start speaking up for us. 36:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes they have and doing it more and more thank God. 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I also wanted to talk about the Pennsylvania payout, which has been shared into the podcast discussion group, mainly because I have spoken to many survivors, kioscivivers, and one of the disgusting things. 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're not familiar, Pennsylvania, they're grand jury report. 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They released it and one of the names that has come up is Bishop 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Had a max, they weren't going to correct me. 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No, okay. 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll go with that. 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They released his payout report. 36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, he's the bishop and I thought it was very interesting. 36:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only because these are people who are trying to defend themselves by saying, oh, that wasn't a problem. 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But they have a payout based on what happened to you. 36:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll read it to you really quickly. 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They have four different levels of abuse. 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The first level is above the clothing, genital fondling, and the range of payout that they would give you for that is $10,000, $25,000. 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Second level is fondling under the clothes or masturbation, 15,000 to 40,000. 37:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The third is oral sex, 25,000 to 75,000. 37:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And the fourth is intercourse, 50,000 to 175,000. 37:30 [SPEAKER_01]: that is just it's crazy to me that they would have a system like that. 37:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this but that seems to be what they have for the archdiocese of Baltimore from the conversations that I've had, they'll see what you went through and they'll give you a scale payout. 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've also noticed that the 37:50 [SPEAKER_01]: for the K-O women who I've spoken to. 37:53 [SPEAKER_01]: For this, you could get up to 175,000, which is not anywhere close to why any of the K-O women have gotten for their payout for the, yeah, I'll make myself still some super smart that I promise. 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also wanted to ask you, and this may be a question that you guys would have to answer. 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But... 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If this statue of limitation passes a Maryland, which we all hope it does, common sense tells you it should, just because I think that there should never be a limitation on something so stupid. 38:24 [SPEAKER_01]: If that passes, will that prevent anyone who has gone through 38:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I got $40,000 from the Archdiocese in 2010, okay? 38:45 [SPEAKER_02]: After legal fees I got about $28,000, which I divided amongst my grandchildren because I considered it blood money. 38:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I signed a release, okay? 38:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I will never sue you for anything related to this. 38:59 [SPEAKER_02]: My children won't sue you. 39:01 [SPEAKER_02]: That's against the law. 39:03 [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, you can't sign away your legal rights as a child. 39:06 [SPEAKER_02]: But I talked to Joanne Suter who I work with about how and how are you going to get around a lawyer signing a release and coming back for the second bite of the app was they call it because the release was based on fraud. 39:25 [SPEAKER_02]: There release was conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy. 39:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm told with words. 39:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you, sounds super smart. 39:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 39:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 39:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And they played it down. 39:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I set with these lawyers who I don't know if they get a kick out of listening to it or not and I had to tell them about 39:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on, what is wrong with this picture? 39:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We need a day in court. 39:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll gladly stand up until all jury, all kinds of stuff that man made me do. 40:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And I believe that I can get each person, each keo person that signed that release out of it. 40:15 [SPEAKER_02]: because I've already drafted a complaint. 40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I've already done a lot of research on this stuff and the conspiracy and the fraud is the big answer. 40:25 [SPEAKER_02]: They covered up. 40:28 [SPEAKER_02]: My settlement was in 2010, before the KEO girls were coming forward after the keepers. 40:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And in 2010, I attorney Joanne said that they hid from us. 40:41 [SPEAKER_02]: They played it down. 40:43 [SPEAKER_02]: They acted like Moscow, maybe abused a couple people. 40:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're just one of them. 40:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a lie. 40:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You proved that priest abused more. 40:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And I guarantee you one pedophile 40:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I guarantee Maskel's abuse at least 100 people, at least he started in the seven area in the 1950s. 41:05 [SPEAKER_02]: The church knew they just kept him going on through. 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't care. 41:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's a way around this. 41:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So don't lose faith if we get that two-year window. 41:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to turn out the complaints and we are going to nail them to the wall and don't worry super Catholic people you're not going to go bank you're not going to bankrupt the church they have so much gold in the Vatican and they own so much money that it's a misnomer for them to say oh you're going to bankrupt the church the church needs to be stripped to the bottom and rebuilt 41:44 [SPEAKER_02]: because if there was a Christ and I don't even know that there was, he didn't want his church run like this. 41:51 [SPEAKER_02]: He did not want it run like this. 41:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope I answered that. 41:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes. 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are things that we always cut, so that's one cool thing about you guys being here. 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to lead in to some of the things that I want to ask you, because of course this is now our third conversation. 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is. 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Earlier in the podcast, we interviewed Dr. Richmond. 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It was also in the keepers. 42:18 [SPEAKER_01]: She was one of the professors for Joseph Masschool when he was trying to obtain when he did obtain his post-master certificate for psychology, counseling, something like that. 42:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Richmond told us in the episode that she believed that 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: maybe one of the reasons because of course you have to remember the other people taking that small course. 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: What have been people that she tells us that should have recognized? 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: masqueral being a predator. 42:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So is he taking this course to make sure he can hide that I couldn't tell you, but Dr. Richmond believed that maybe one of the reasons why he was so well equipped to hide it is because she believes he could have had what is now called disassociation disorder, which was more commonly known prior as multiple personalities. 43:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She said she called him good Joe, 43:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It was bad job, evidently. 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: In your experience with him, did you ever see any moments like that to where suddenly he wasn't a monster and then suddenly he just flipped and then he was? 43:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I did see that there were times when Father Maskell would take me to his 43:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And he would take me up to his room and he'd put on Irish music. 43:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And he'd dance and we had dinner. 43:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And he told me that he loved me. 43:51 [SPEAKER_02]: He told me that was very special. 43:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And that he spent so much time with me because he cared. 43:59 [SPEAKER_02]: He cared. 44:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And there was times when I actually believed that he did love me. 44:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think now that was a way of just getting through it. 44:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he would be really nice, he would hug me, he would dance, and then it would happen. 44:18 [SPEAKER_02]: His face would change, and he'd say, okay, take them off and then the rape would occur. 44:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But I did see spots of gentle eyes, not often what they were there. 44:34 [SPEAKER_01]: very interesting. 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So now what I'm going to do is allow if any of you guys would ask questions, you can drive them towards Teresa myself. 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If I can answer those questions, I just thought of another question while you were talking. 44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You talked about all the time you spent in his office. 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I went to Catholic high school. 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And if we missed a period, we had to justify it somehow with the office. 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: How did you get away with or how did he get away with not allowing you to go to class 45:02 [SPEAKER_02]: My father asked him the question about me missing time at school, and he said, don't worry about that. 45:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll make sure she keeps up with her studies as if we do part of the time in my office. 45:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll make sure she won't fall behind. 45:19 [SPEAKER_02]: The teachers didn't ask anything. 45:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Not at all. 45:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though when one time I was called down to the nurses office and I went down there and Maskel was waiting for me and he took me to his office. 45:33 [SPEAKER_02]: That nurse I found in 1995. 45:37 [SPEAKER_02]: She was aged at the time, told her son, she knew what Maskel was doing, but she was scared to death. 45:45 [SPEAKER_02]: She was scared. 45:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And sister Kathy, I believe, was going to help us. 45:51 [SPEAKER_02]: and look what happened to her. 45:53 [SPEAKER_02]: If I was a teacher in a school like that, I don't know what I would have done. 45:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I ran the phone booths just to call the lawyers about it. 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: This kind of stuff is scary, but as far as your question, I graduated. 46:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I graduated no problem at all. 46:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Some classes 46:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I will also add that Jim and I have discussed this before between ourselves, and we both have the same opinion that so into back up just a little, I had interviewed Sean who, another little side note, when we first started recording podcast, Jim at what sometimes call me Sean on accident. 46:37 [SPEAKER_01]: She does not do that any longer. 46:38 [SPEAKER_01]: She is very clear. 46:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But after it was after our interview with Sean, he had sent me an email. 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was basically about how one of the problems in this narrative of survivors being abused by masculine at KEO is that especially so many is that masculine wasn't a part of the administration because he was a chancellor at the title for it. 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Chaplain, yes, I'll make myself sound smart. 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Because masculine was the chaplain. 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with this is this belief that Jim and I both share from speaking to so many students, not just survivors, but students. 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like to us that masculine had this persona and almost like he was bullying these women. 47:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And as one survivor told me, 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: that I need to put my Catholic glasses on. 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: These were nuns, and this was a priest. 47:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And one thing that I didn't realize and that I had no idea of is that evidently in the Catholic faith, especially in the late 60s, 47:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The nuns didn't really have any say. 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't a part of the archdiocese. 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They were lower than the low. 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So the survivor I had asked her that question, and her response to me was, what were they going to say? 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: This is supposed to be God. 48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: If he tells you to do something, you're going to tell him no. 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And at a time when even women didn't have four rights, let alone a nun talking to a priest. 48:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That was my response to Sean. 48:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't respond to me weirdly enough. 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But I did, that was a very good question. 48:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Was there, yeah, what was the question? 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, do we have any other, can I was going to hit it? 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I said that, yes. 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I said that, yes. 48:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so in the last question and answer and the last question and answer, Gemma and I were talking and Gemma and I, we talk through these things. 48:48 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, Wednesday, we haven't shared with many people everything that we found out and stuff just because we need to process at first and to validate it before we share it because so many people listen to us. 48:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what was my belief. 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly you have this none telling him no. 49:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he liked that. 49:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what happened. 49:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And you'll find out later in a couple of weeks why, why, more of why. 49:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But I wonder too, if maybe Joyce did the same thing, and maybe that's why she ended up dead. 49:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people give Russell a heart time because she never spoke up. 49:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you put yourself in rushes shoes, suddenly Kathy told him no, and look what happened to her. 49:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And Russell may not have feared that for herself, but they could have hurt her family. 49:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that had never come up in a discussion before until Jim and I were recording that episode. 49:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's exactly how I see it. 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly a nun and a woman tells him no. 49:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think he liked that very much. 49:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 49:48 [SPEAKER_02]: My, uh, back in the 1994, my attorneys told me that they had uncovered that Father Maskel's mother made investments, priest investments, and he would wear them, and he would get those little candies. 50:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember. 50:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't remember the name, and he'd take out all the white ones, and he'd put them in a chalice, and he would say mass in, in his backyard, and other kids would come, 50:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He was brilliant. 50:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He was brilliant. 50:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he learned that and he gave and his mother was like, I'm going to have a priest for a son. 50:24 [SPEAKER_02]: That was her dream. 50:26 [SPEAKER_02]: She groomed him and she ruined him. 50:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And sending him, I think, what was he 13 when he went to the seminary? 50:33 [SPEAKER_02]: He was really young. 50:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And he cried and he begged to come back. 50:37 [SPEAKER_02]: He got sent back home once. 50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: what they wouldn't take and they sent him back to the seminary, where he started playing strip poker with 11-year-old kids, I know, because Joe Anseuter actually sued on behalf of the son of a boy that had to play strip poker with mascal back in the seminary. 50:58 [SPEAKER_02]: He started abusing them and the church knew. 51:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They knew they were bringing it a night in saying psychopath 51:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Jim and I recorded a timeline episode where we talk about masquerals time. 51:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that question may be a little bit more answered in that episode when it comes up. 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will add something that you just said that I thought was very interesting. 51:27 [SPEAKER_01]: When he first went to seminary school, he was only there for, I think, 14 days, and then he got to home, sexually, they sent him home. 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to go back a second time. 51:37 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the, yeah, God? 51:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm going, I will end it by reading this poem and you'll notice that I'll mess up a bunch, but it sounds smart when I'm done. 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Gemma, let me borrow her yearbook from Kio. 51:55 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the 1970 version and in it, they put a page for in memory of Sister Kathy Seznik with her photo and they put a poem, so I wanted to read it, so everyone out there can hear it, so here we go. 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and sorry I could not travel both. 52:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And be one traveler, long I stood, and looked down one as far as I could, to where it bent in the undergrowth. 52:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Then took the other as just as fair, and having perhaps the better claim, because it was grassy and wanted wear. 52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Though as for that, the passing there, 52:36 [SPEAKER_01]: had worn them really about the same. 52:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And both that morning equally lay and leaves no step at Traden Black. 52:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I kept the first for another day. 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I shall be telling this with a sigh, somewhere ages, and ages hence, two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference. 53:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Robert Frost 53:31 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching.
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