0:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 0:30 [SPEAKER_02]: What you are about to hear is a live podcast that Jima and I created a couple of weeks ago. 0:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll hear questions submitted by listeners, and some are asked by listeners who were turning in live. 0:42 [SPEAKER_02]: The audio is not perfect, recording a conversation live on the air was new to both of us. 0:48 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have questions you'd like Jim and I to discuss, feel free to email them to me. 0:52 [SPEAKER_02]: At Shane, at vitsfowlplay.com We'll go to our website, vitsfowlplay.com 1:02 [SPEAKER_02]: for anyone who is joining us and you've never listened to Falquay with Jim and I. I'm Shane Waters and this is Jim Mahasans. 1:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I am more of the host for Falquay in the hometown history podcast and Jimma joins me in the podcast for season two of Falquay where we talk about sister Kathy's brother and Jimma people will know you from Netflix is the keepers. 1:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't looked at any of the questions you guys, so I have no idea what you want to know. 1:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see, for dinner, I'm having hummus and chips so far. 1:36 [SPEAKER_04]: There we go. 1:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I want hummus. 1:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Gemma, for the people who are joining us who may have never seen the keepers on Netflix, why don't you explain what the keepers is about? 1:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little about sister Kathy's order. 1:52 [SPEAKER_04]: For the two people in the world that have not seen the keepers, 1:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I looked at the list, everybody seen the keepers, but anyway, I don't need to make this funny, but there's always got to be some levity, right? 2:06 [SPEAKER_04]: The keepers is that flick series about the murder of sister Kathy Shastneck. 2:11 [SPEAKER_04]: She was my high school English teacher, and 2:15 [SPEAKER_04]: The reason why the leave she was murdered is because girls who were being abused by adults in the building, adults plural mainly two priests went to her and told her what was happening and we believe that. 2:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I hate to say it this way, but she was collateral damage because Kathy would have done the right thing. 2:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I believe she did tell the authorities and she did tell her supervisors, but there's a huge cover up as has happened for decades in the Catholic church. 2:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And we also know that law enforcement was involved in some of the abuse and possibly the murder. 2:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So. 2:53 [SPEAKER_04]: where could she turn? 2:55 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you haven't seen the capers, it's still one Netflix. 2:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Do not get the DVD. 3:00 [SPEAKER_04]: If you got the DVD, it's going to be a pirated copy, which probably won't be good quality, or it will be an incomplete copy because partial copies were sent to the media, like Shane, you may have gotten one, right? 3:14 [SPEAKER_04]: That didn't have every episode on it. 3:16 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't. 3:17 [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's because you jumped in and did an interview with me before you were supposed to. 3:22 [SPEAKER_04]: That's why you didn't get the DVD. 3:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways. 3:24 [SPEAKER_04]: But actually, my Kio classmate, Abby Schab, she and I had been looking into this for several years before that keepers filmmakers even came to Baltimore and decided to do this documentary. 3:38 [SPEAKER_04]: So, once they got a confirmation from Jean Wayne, or who was 3:42 [SPEAKER_04]: The story is mostly about her, Abby and Esther, the narrator, so it kind of tied all together. 3:48 [SPEAKER_04]: But Jane was being abused by the chaplain, Joseph Mascol, and when caffeine was murdered, he took her to see Kathy's body. 3:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And I believe that was to threaten her in the silence. 4:02 [SPEAKER_04]: So Jane is, 4:05 [SPEAKER_04]: an amazing woman and she really is the reason that we're doing all this because she and the other KIO women deserve justice and we deserve to find the answers and she did go to Kathy and Kathy confronted Moscow and Kathy disappeared and was found two months later in the nutshell. 4:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a really good match. 4:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you get the law. 4:28 [SPEAKER_02]: People want it near to give an overview about the keepers for anyone who has already seen the keepers. 4:34 [SPEAKER_02]: What would be your quick summary of updates since the keepers aired? 4:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my goodness. 4:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 4:41 [SPEAKER_04]: She said that'll be four years in May if you can believe that. 4:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I do think we know more now than we did when we were making it. 4:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Abby and I've gone in separate ways. 4:50 [SPEAKER_04]: She's not involved anymore and they digging for answers, but she doesn't yo men's job. 4:56 [SPEAKER_04]: following a legislation around the country on the statute of limitations for sexual abuse. 5:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And she also is very active as an advocate for survivors. 5:07 [SPEAKER_04]: So with that said, I have continued trying to find people and most of the time on the phone, the old fashion way, and Shane, you and I have done 60 episodes that include a lot of 5:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what we're going to do. 5:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. 5:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And so the people that Shane and I talked to were individuals who were not ready to report their abuse, but once the keepers came out, they either reported it or came forward to talk about it and we interviewed them. 5:41 [SPEAKER_04]: We were able to find Shane was able to find the hunter. 5:46 [SPEAKER_04]: who found Sister Kathy, that was a pretty crazy way, sent him a letter in the guy actually called him an answer in an old Sasha letter. 5:54 [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked to a lot of families of people who were abused or people who have come for with a lot of information. 6:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I wrote a book and it's not a retelling of bekeepers. 6:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you want to retelling a bekeepers, don't buy it. 6:09 [SPEAKER_04]: But it does give my theories about what happened and about who I think did it. 6:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Now again, they're theories because I don't know if everybody understands that the only way to solve a code case is either an eyewitness or a confession or DNA. 6:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And guess what, 6:30 [SPEAKER_04]: but none of them are likely. 6:33 [SPEAKER_04]: So I have sent everything I have to the bottom of our county police. 6:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, the information only goes in one direction. 6:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And I really feel really great now. 6:43 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't love general a lot. 6:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I really feel like I rocked about too much. 6:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think I'm close. 6:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And I ask questions that they might not want to enter. 6:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So I have asked a lot of questions. 6:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And I have not gotten any answers. 6:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And the same with the Malekke case, I'm working really closely with that family. 7:03 [SPEAKER_04]: We are making some progress. 7:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And I can't talk a whole lot about that. 7:08 [SPEAKER_04]: But the Malekke's and I are working really closely with another friend. 7:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And we are making some progress and the only thing I can tell you is that get this. 7:19 [SPEAKER_04]: It's because of the new administration. 7:21 [SPEAKER_04]: and Shane, I know you don't even know about this. 7:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I know. 7:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I was asked not to. 7:25 [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, so it all happens in my kitchen or my computer and in the molecular homes and we're going to find out what happened to Joyce. 7:34 [SPEAKER_04]: But as far as Kathy, I still don't know. 7:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I know who did it. 7:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm happy to share that theory when that question comes up because I know it's coming. 7:43 [SPEAKER_04]: What else do we know that's new? 7:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Shane helped me out here. 7:46 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot more survivors who were ready to talk, oh, Shane and I have really outstanding one coming up that you guys want when a mess, we're going to talk to the medical assistant who worked for Dr. Christian Richter at the time that he was doing a lot of illegal stuff in his office. 8:06 [SPEAKER_04]: and she would change her name to protect her privacy, but she pretty much fills her guts, and she has recorded it all to the attorney general. 8:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And again, this is a good time to say that if you know something or you've seen something, you have to speak up. 8:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I can help you get in touch with the right people. 8:27 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's a criminal investigation going on in Maryland right now. 8:32 [SPEAKER_04]: They're in about two and a half years going on right now. 8:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And they are taking reports and information by phone in person or you can connect with the guy by email about any abuse by clergy or people who were connected with them. 8:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think what's going to happen is that is going to lead us to who told Sister Kathy. 8:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Because a lot of the people that are reported had the information about Kathy as well. 9:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So they're sharing all of that with the Attorney General Brian Frosh's criminal investigator. 9:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And I can help you guys get touched with them if you need to. 9:10 [SPEAKER_04]: His name is Richard Wolfe. 9:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that which in question was, what has happened since the capers lie? 9:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I moved to be safer, which I know I have a big personality. 9:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I say what I think. 9:24 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's 50 people one line right now. 9:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you would all protect me if I needed you to. 9:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And I would just get in the middle of a big crowd and you'd all put masks on and hide me. 9:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I'd be okay. 9:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't mean just some funny about it. 9:38 [SPEAKER_04]: But our director always said the more public I am, the safer I am. 9:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, what if I get killed? 9:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And you said, list will known, get it. 9:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Ryan. 9:49 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the other things that we broadcasted through the podcast was we know that the police tonight, the Kathy had disappeared, or at least the following night, knew about the abuse of the school because of the water. 10:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a little bit of one. 10:03 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a bombshell. 10:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Wasn't it? 10:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Can we talk about that or you want me to? 10:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Laura, go ahead. 10:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 10:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I was hoping you would say that. 10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 10:12 [SPEAKER_04]: So we have a friend who came forward when she saw the keepers. 10:16 [SPEAKER_04]: She was a friend of Kathy and Russell. 10:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Very good friends with Ross. 10:20 [SPEAKER_04]: She was a year ahead of me at TEO. 10:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Now people think it's strange for students to hang out with their teachers. 10:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but in those days, it wasn't. 10:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's two nons when they left KEO. 10:30 [SPEAKER_04]: They were like 25 and 26. 10:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And we were all 17 and 18 and 19. 10:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So it wasn't that big a deal. 10:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And so 10:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Our friend Sharon, she was very close with Russell and she told us she didn't think this was important, but she told Shane and I that the night cabbie disappear Russell called her. 10:49 [SPEAKER_04]: She had been over there around dinner time to drop off some clothes or pick something up. 10:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And she went home and they had dinner and Russ called her like around 10 say Kathy's not home yet She with you and Sharon was like no, but let me know what happens. 11:05 [SPEAKER_04]: So the next day Once everybody realized Kathy was missing and did not come back the next day Sharon and her mom went over to the apartment 11:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Again, because they were such good friends, I think I do think Sharon and her mom had given them some like regular clothes because they didn't have many clothes because we're on habits all the time and yeah, they used to borrow clothes from the kios students and we give them stuff, but anyway, so Sharon went over there and 11:36 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a detective standing in the living room. 11:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And when Sharon went in, he rust and produced him. 11:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said to her, did anybody at Tio ever ask you to do something you didn't want to do? 11:51 [SPEAKER_04]: What a loaded question. 11:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So Sharon was being like, she's naive. 11:57 [SPEAKER_04]: She wasn't involved in any abuse. 11:59 [SPEAKER_04]: She thought, 12:00 [SPEAKER_04]: that a boy that came to a dance at Kio, who tried to kiss her in the hallway, just she thought that's the kind of thing this guy met. 12:08 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not what he met, but for him to have asked that question, means that Russell may have told him about the abuse and Russell was standing there in that conversation. 12:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Now Sharon told me that Jerry crew to here we go with Jerry. 12:24 [SPEAKER_04]: He was still there in Pete McKenzie and spent the whole night there. 12:28 [SPEAKER_04]: But he was standing there or sitting there and would have overheard the conversation. 12:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I am asking about this, but he does not remember anything about that. 12:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, we've identified the detective that may have been talking to Sharon, but we're not sure if it's the same guy. 12:47 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a picture out there on the internet, and I can post it tomorrow of a detective and a trench coat, standing outside the apartment, talking to Kathy's dad. 12:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Kathy's father is in like a suit. 13:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, a girl that recognized that man as your father got in touch with me, he's still living, he's very short, but he doesn't remember the conversation that Sharon was talking about. 13:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So we're not sure if it's the same guy. 13:15 [SPEAKER_04]: But that's huge. 13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember as both learning about it, just that's the whole reason why we always want people 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing that I always notice that you have done and I don't know if people realize this, but whenever someone comes forward to you or myself, you always direct them to the authority you speak of, as you tell people, we cannot arrest anyone, we don't have that ability. 13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So I always think that's just a wonderful thing that you do. 13:48 [SPEAKER_02]: You always strike them to the authority 13:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks. 13:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I would have lost my teaching license if I didn't do that kind of thing, because teachers, I don't know if people know everybody in Maryland, all adults in Maryland or mandatory reporters. 14:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was an elementary teacher in a middle school teacher and mentor for almost 40 years. 14:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And if we didn't report it, we could lose our license. 14:15 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's really hard because sometimes there's a kid that comes to school, I'll bang up and you know that he got hit smack around at home, and you have to report it to social services on the phone, and then social services doesn't take the child out of the home, the kid goes home that night, and the parents know that they will report it. 14:35 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So it's so important that if you know something, please come forward. 16:43 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not gonna be arrested. 16:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Frankly, if you know who killed Kathy says next and you can tell somebody that you are not gonna be arrested. 16:53 [SPEAKER_04]: unless you're the doer and you're making a confession. 16:55 [SPEAKER_04]: So if it hadn't been for share and coming forward, it helped Shane and I tighten up that timeline a lot. 17:03 [SPEAKER_04]: In the appendix of my book, I reprinted or I typed the whole missing person reports. 17:10 [SPEAKER_04]: in its entirety. 17:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And a friend out there, Dan Smith, he used a foyer request, got the papers that were papers missing. 17:20 [SPEAKER_04]: So I requested the missing papers and some other evidentiary documents. 17:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think I've ever used that word before evidentiary. 17:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, so yeah, so we can't find the missing papers, so if you want to read that missing person report, you will find that the timeline that Cube puts together is quite different than the timeline that's one paper and we don't know who is right. 17:47 [SPEAKER_04]: because it's different. 17:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And if Russell was afraid to report to the police and they called the police, then we don't know. 17:58 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't know what happened. 18:00 [SPEAKER_04]: But the times are different who did what is different. 18:04 [SPEAKER_04]: It's really interesting to put the two things side by side based on urban legend and what people who were there that light had said. 18:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And Shane, I forgot to tell you this. 18:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll just tell you now. 18:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Nah, that's a kill. 18:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I do love you. 18:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I do love you. 18:20 [SPEAKER_04]: But that one one I was going to say it's okay, Lisa. 18:23 [SPEAKER_04]: You can still marry him. 18:24 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I forgot to tell you that one of Kathy's neighbors. 18:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I talked to her this week and she's thinking about doing a podcast with us. 18:32 [SPEAKER_04]: She's almost any. 18:33 [SPEAKER_04]: She remembers everything from that night and a lot of it is very different than what we've been reading about. 18:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm excited. 18:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know. 18:41 [SPEAKER_04]: She sharp is convey. 18:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I know. 18:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I told when I was having for dinner. 18:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And she's that's not good for your diabetes. 18:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to eat something that's one. 18:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I like cheese anyway, but so we have some really interesting new people coming up and the fact that they are willing to tell their part of the story, put it makes the puzzle bigger, but it does put some pieces in for us. 19:06 [SPEAKER_02]: At one more cool thing, Jamat is when we started during the podcast together, we just thought through throwing just a lot of people who were survivors, have the opportunity to tell their story where they were ready to tell it during the keepers or they had to forward. 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That turned into a quick 60 or something up the side. 19:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm releasing whatever it is. 19:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I know. 19:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And I've been reposting them. 19:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you've done some of them too, but this week if people haven't heard it, I reposted the one with Sean Kane. 19:35 [SPEAKER_04]: It was this post person for the archdiocese of Baltimore and Shane, you and I have to agree that it was the worst interview anybody ever did with us. 19:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jim, I'm saying that, yeah, I think that experience could be a moving itself because it was just unreal. 19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And we kind of had to sneak you back to the conversation because they were free to it. 20:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It was so weird. 20:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 20:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I know I was a mute texting Shane like what to say and what not to say and like you didn't know himself, he's a grown man, but anyway, Sean Kane had dogs barking in the background, phones ringing and said, I don't know, I'll send somebody a copy of my book that they can guess how many times you said that. 20:29 [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, he was not a good interview and I feel looking back like it was arrogant on his part and a little patronizing to just see so casual and not taking it as seriously as we did, especially when Shane asked him, how do you keep track of the credibly accused clergy when they have to lead the church? 20:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And Caine said, we don't. 20:53 [SPEAKER_04]: If you were to fire from Home Depot, 20:57 [SPEAKER_04]: which makes no sense. 20:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And I wouldn't want my mom living down the hall in a retirement community with a credibly accused priest with you. 21:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I can tell people that just from talking to my blood pressure was so hard during the entire thing. 21:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And I recommend 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: At each point where we were not going to agree that we just couldn't start an argument and I was so determined to keep him talking because that was the only opportunity that we've ever had to ask right from the artist's questions so we can do listen. 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: They may wonder why, why have loose open with those things and that's why I just wanted to get him to keep talking to us. 21:36 [SPEAKER_04]: You're absolutely right. 21:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And you did a great job. 21:39 [SPEAKER_04]: It was too part of the next piece. 21:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been reposting them one Sunday night. 21:43 [SPEAKER_04]: So any other questions from people that are listening. 21:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I do. 21:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And for anyone who is listening work now, you'll see it on your phone, you'll see a little message thing at the bottom of us of where we're talking. 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you have a message that you would like to ask us or say something about a new rock and a leave of voice message and we play out on the air, we actually have one. 22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go ahead and play it, Gemma. 22:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's see what happens here. 22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't put it's not bad. 22:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I know, I have a question, have you or Shane or anybody heard from anyone in Ireland that has been affected by Father Maskell? 22:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Great question. 22:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Shane, you go first. 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I do know that there was that reporter who made that article that we tried to reach out to. 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: was kind of slaky and would not agree to let us interview him or record him. 22:38 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a really weird situation. 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Paul, you talked about the potential survivors that were over there. 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 22:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, thank you for that question because it's really important and I want to give Kudos to Abby because she has been really intent 22:52 [SPEAKER_04]: finding out more about Maskel's time in Ireland. 22:57 [SPEAKER_04]: What we do know from the newspaper articles in that area is that he opened up his own counseling office. 23:06 [SPEAKER_04]: People did not know he was a priest. 23:08 [SPEAKER_04]: He thought he was like a doctor, like a psychiatric doctor, and he was actually seeing children. 23:16 [SPEAKER_04]: which makes me sick to even say it. 23:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I think Teresa Langkastro is one here. 23:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Teresa, if I say this wrong, just let me know and you can fix it. 23:25 [SPEAKER_04]: But we understand that there were several people who came forward who were abused by Moscow. 23:38 [SPEAKER_04]: a person or two people who believe they are his children came forward that he abused their moms and I'm see he was in Ireland and the nineties so how old would they be? 24:01 [SPEAKER_04]: gosh, his body was exhumed for DNA. 24:05 [SPEAKER_04]: So if they want to find out, they can let the Baltimore County police department know and have a DNA test done. 24:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I want to know that I was maskless kid. 24:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I might make me want to hurt myself, but I don't mean to sound funny. 24:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I just I don't think I would want to know. 24:21 [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, we've heard that 24:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And the reason is that the Irish, okay, the initials, I believe are H. S. A. I forgot what it stands for, if somebody knows they can chime in and tell us, but it's like they're, they keep all that confidential. 24:40 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't, it's like they're human relations or they're human services association, they will not share any of that with us. 24:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Now while he was over there, 24:51 [SPEAKER_04]: he applied to become like a member of a like a priest order or a monk order and he had to give his past like references and when this group of priests got in touch with the archdiocese, they found out who he was and of course they turned him down. 25:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the other hand, there was no extradition from Ireland, which means he couldn't be arrested and brought back here. 25:18 [SPEAKER_04]: He came back one his own for some reason. 25:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure why, but I would love to know more about his time in Ireland, but that's what we know right now. 25:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We have two more audio messages. 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see where kept the question. 25:32 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. We'd love to know from Gemma, who did it and how it happened? 25:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, is this somebody I know talking? 25:42 [SPEAKER_04]: No idea. 25:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 25:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm all right. 25:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to practice this by saying this is a theory. 25:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not an eyewitness. 25:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 25:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I did not hear a confession. 25:56 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 25:56 [SPEAKER_04]: This is what I think happened that I'm going to tell you how I believe it. 26:02 [SPEAKER_04]: About a year ago, 26:04 [SPEAKER_04]: a young man, anybody that younger than me as young, gotten touch with me on Facebook Messenger and told me that when he was a kid at St. Clement's school parish church, he remembered Moscow doing ride-alongs with the police, okay? 26:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, have you ever looked at Robert Zimmerman? 26:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I know, guys, the first name, Robert. 26:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, there are a whole bunch of people that maybe listening tonight. 26:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that think that they planted the seed about Zimmerman out on the internet as a trap to see if anybody would take it and run with it. 26:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what they claim I did. 26:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I never heard anything about this man before like a legitimate person came forward. 26:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so trolls don't platter yourself. 27:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't hear anything about this guy from you. 27:03 [SPEAKER_04]: It all came from this young man that went to St. Clements. 27:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I started digging and I found some people from St. Clements. 27:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I found some people that knew about this guy and I talked to them. 27:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And I found out that 27:24 [SPEAKER_04]: he had died. 27:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was in the 80s. 27:28 [SPEAKER_04]: He was a police officer, his name Robert Zimmerman, police officer in the Baltimore County Police Department. 27:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Guess who he worked under? 27:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Captain James Scannell. 27:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, y'all knew that is. 27:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Guy offered the crab kick to and then made a face in the camera. 27:45 [SPEAKER_04]: That guy, he's dead now. 27:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And his family got like, may I wouldn't like me either after, you know, well, we've learned about him anyway. 27:51 [SPEAKER_04]: He worked with 27:54 [SPEAKER_04]: He was killed crossing the street in Caiton's film. 27:59 [SPEAKER_04]: It was raining. 28:00 [SPEAKER_04]: He was on duty, like walking duty. 28:04 [SPEAKER_04]: But, and I'll get back to why I think you're child coffee, but this is thing. 28:07 [SPEAKER_04]: If you were standing on the yellow line, a car hit him going east, and drew him into the pathway of a car going west. 28:15 [SPEAKER_04]: So, of course, me, I look up through the people are hitting, right? 28:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking to be they were brothers of somebody he abused. 28:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So, they were not, they were normal people, and they had nothing to do with the rest of this story, but he wasn't on duty. 28:30 [SPEAKER_04]: He was crossing the street to go on liquor store and cash a winning lottery ticket. 28:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, he was in the hospital with shock trauma, I think, film days before he died. 28:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And guess what, you guys, the lottery ticket disappeared. 28:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And his colleagues probably took it part of part of or something, I don't know. 28:50 [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, I've talked to so many people about him. 28:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And I have his picture. 28:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And I looked him up. 28:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And when I opened the article about him, the article was by about the fraternal order of police. 29:08 [SPEAKER_04]: It's called the F-O-T. 29:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Guess what they call each other. 29:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what they call each other Shane? 29:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Leader? 29:14 [SPEAKER_04]: They do. 29:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And I opened it up and it said, F-O-T, Honors Ball and Hero, Brother Bob. 29:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Zimmerman. 29:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, holy shit. 29:25 [SPEAKER_04]: We're been thinkin' clergy. 29:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it is a cop, Brother Bob. 29:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so the next thing I do was, I thought about my cue friends and not wanting to harm anybody. 29:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I sent a handful of them who had been. 29:42 [SPEAKER_04]: survivors of Massville. 29:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, I came across this name, I have a texture, but it's totally up to you whether you want to look at this person. 29:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I know how many of you're looking 30:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I sent this out and four of them responded and said they would like to look at him, they all recognize him. 30:07 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the people that recognized him was Jean. 30:11 [SPEAKER_04]: She said she is not ready to say he's brother-by-all. 30:15 [SPEAKER_04]: So, friends, I am not saying that. 30:17 [SPEAKER_04]: She said, I am not situation that I remember enough to say that he is the other three. 30:23 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't know of anybody else who called him brother Bob or heard the name brother Bob except Jean and now the fraternal order of police. 30:31 [SPEAKER_04]: So what I think happened was that he was involved in her murder. 30:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I actually got it my nerve and I called his first wife who very nice lady but doesn't want anybody to know she's connected with him. 30:46 [SPEAKER_04]: She must have called me back five times with more information and all this is in the last chapter of my book and I know when you get to that chapter it says, yeah, I know you looked ahead. 30:56 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not supposed to do that. 30:57 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just a book first, but everybody laughing because they all looked ahead. 31:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you want to buy the book just for the 31:05 [SPEAKER_04]: She told me what a monster he was. 31:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I actually talked to her again yesterday. 31:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel very sad for her. 31:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Her son just died. 31:15 [SPEAKER_04]: She's truly by herself. 31:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just, my heart breaks for her. 31:19 [SPEAKER_04]: But he was not a good person. 31:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And he did not do things he did to her were horrible. 31:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And she said, what could she do? 31:28 [SPEAKER_04]: But call the police. 31:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And all his buddies would show up in their cop cars. 31:33 [SPEAKER_04]: And they'd all be laughing in the driveway. 31:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Because what I call the police means they're going to send his friends over so I have a whole list of officers names to be honest with you and I'm not going to share any of my share them with the police and if he was involved it wouldn't surprise me because I think he was totally capable of it she told me he had some very strange tools custom made and we know that Kathy died blunt force trauma. 32:03 [SPEAKER_04]: and I don't know who has a semi-automatic in their front closet in case the shift gets rough at my, so I have a theory that it was him. 32:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if he meant to kill her, but I do think he was involved in it. 32:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm not, I'm trying to protect everybody's privacy, okay. 32:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Please don't message me and say, is her name such and such, because I'm just going to say no, and I want to live. 32:32 [SPEAKER_04]: that he possibly did not mean to kill her and I think things really got out of hand. 32:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I do believe now I have a copy of Kathy's autopsy which I refuse to share and some copies of this have gotten out on the internet but I want to reassure everybody it wasn't because of me I don't think I've been ever shown it to Shane and I can answer questions about it but she was 33:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And she was hit in the side of the head. 33:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, the autopsy indicates one head wound, not two. 33:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I know Tom Nuget thought there was a hole in the back of Capy's head. 33:13 [SPEAKER_04]: It was on the side above her left ear. 33:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And she also, in your neck, guys, there is a bone that protects your throat. 33:22 [SPEAKER_04]: It's called the highway bone. 33:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And it has like little crown on top, 33:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And one of those crowns was broken off that can kill you, but it doesn't have to so if somebody got into Kathy's car by force at her apartment when she returned from Edmonton village. 33:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I think somebody else got the back seat and I do think it's possible that they may have strangled her to make sure she was unconscious because a witness outside that night saw a woman trying to get out of a moving car going down the road adjacent to the carriage house apartment and somebody pulling her back in. 34:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's my feeling that somebody was in the backseat and if they pulled her back in, quite possibly could have strangled her to the point where she wasn't conscious, just to keep her from fighting. 34:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Because you know what, guys, Kathy was not a whim. 34:25 [SPEAKER_04]: She was pretty feisty, and she was smart. 34:28 [SPEAKER_04]: She would have used her resources. 34:30 [SPEAKER_04]: She wasn't a big person. 34:31 [SPEAKER_04]: She's smaller than I am, and then shorter and thin. 34:35 [SPEAKER_04]: But I do believe that she would have fought to survive. 34:40 [SPEAKER_04]: The other thing I can tell you about the autopsy is that there are small abrasions. 34:46 [SPEAKER_04]: There were on the back of her neck that would indicate possibly that someone was holding a knife 34:55 [SPEAKER_04]: like a number of small cuts, not enough to wound her mortally, but enough to probably keep her from moving around. 35:04 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think that the head wound was probably after the strangulation. 35:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And those two kinds of attacks are very different. 35:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Strangulation is usually a crime of passion. 35:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And the headwind I would think is somebody who they're going to administer the final blow that would probably kill her, but that's my theory is that Zimmerman did it. 35:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he was alone. 35:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that if Billy and Edgar were involved. 35:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And we know that they both hang out with blood on their shirts that maybe they were like the queen up pro or they were being forced or I know W young sometimes called Ed like the enforcer like he would be the one that would hold somebody down and a master traveled in this huge network of bad guys and high ranking. 35:58 [SPEAKER_04]: people in Maryland and the city. 36:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So he probably could have found whatever we wanted to find whether it was thugs or a high ranking politician to protect them. 36:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And there are some more questions. 36:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's let people ask those questions again. 36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: There have been some pretty high profile cases that have come to the public's attention in the last couple years out of the Baltimore area. 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think specifically of Sister Kathy, obviously, and the Adnan Siyad case, do you think that this is an indication of some of the concerns that you've spoken about with the handling of cases in the Baltimore, Maryland, area with the police and state's attorneys offices, etc. 36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Would love to hear your feedback on that. 36:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, and again, this is just my opinion, and I have to be honest with you, I've never had any experience with the police where the state's attorneys office before. 36:47 [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't defending in a car crash because I hit the back of somebody on 95, but I won, because he wanted the previous damage to be blamed on me. 36:56 [SPEAKER_04]: So I have gotten a couple of parking tickets, but I've never had any like run-ins with cops. 37:03 [SPEAKER_04]: So I do believe that, 37:08 [SPEAKER_04]: There is a really nasty underbelly in Baltimore and I think that it's been going one, it's almost like the old boys club like mafia kind of connections and I grew up in a family when the Baltimore City County line that was in like a really nice. 37:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, not a nice neighborhood, but like a real average row houses with a playground behind it, the west hills neighborhood near root 40 West so we weren't exposed to a lot of rough stuff. 37:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And I lived in the city when I was in my 20s and did the city girl thing and I was still pretty safe. 37:45 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think that, yeah, there is a lot of playing one that's not acceptable, but I don't know that's characteristic of just fall to more. 37:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, Baltimore does have the unfortunate title of being like the homicide capital of the world. 38:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody really goes to Baltimore for entertainment anymore and when I was younger when I was like in my 20s you just got a fells boy and I can't and ball different places hanging out become home at two or three o'clock in the morning and you'd walk from your car and you'd be perfectly fine. 38:19 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that there was stuff going on. 38:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And I do think that there are bad cops. 38:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think Moscow found some bad cops. 38:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I'm going to give you real quickly. 38:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We know that politician named me, me, to Petro, who is named publicly as an abuser. 38:38 [SPEAKER_04]: He was a high-ranking politician. 38:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's dead, but his name is in print. 38:43 [SPEAKER_04]: He kept a really horrible bar from shutting down. 38:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Where there was a lot of really illegal drugs and weird sex and all kind of crazy stuff going on and inside it was called sister rose one east end on the east side of all to more and he was the one that kept that from shutting down so I think it's there I think. 39:04 [SPEAKER_04]: For the generation before mine, like my parents' generation, they probably knew about it. 39:10 [SPEAKER_04]: It was just something that was just accepted. 39:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, it seems to be more street crime, not like this planned network stuff. 39:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 39:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the questions. 39:21 [SPEAKER_02]: We do know that there was co-option at the time of the Catholicism order. 39:26 [SPEAKER_02]: We know that because of the survivors, they've been baited for us. 39:29 [SPEAKER_02]: They did global with this question about what someone else gave us a question. 39:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Joyce Helen Malekky also disappeared shortly after. 39:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Sister Kathy, did they ever link those two together? 39:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 39:43 [SPEAKER_04]: The connection between Kathy and Joyce is that 39:51 [SPEAKER_04]: from where Joyce's family lived. 39:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, the police believe the crimes are connected. 39:57 [SPEAKER_04]: They also believe that two other crimes are connected to those two. 40:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And maybe six altogether. 40:02 [SPEAKER_04]: But Joyce was not at Kio. 40:05 [SPEAKER_04]: She went to Lansell High School. 40:07 [SPEAKER_04]: So when I was a KIO when Sister Kathy was there, I was 17, Joyce was like 20, and Kathy was 26. 40:14 [SPEAKER_04]: So Joyce did not know Kathy. 40:17 [SPEAKER_04]: There was no reason for her, too. 40:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 40:20 [SPEAKER_04]: However, St. Clements was the church that the Malekis attended, and that is the same church where Joseph 40:31 [SPEAKER_04]: So that would be a similarity. 40:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, Tom Nugent has mentioned that the malekings made like sponsorship when the yearbook, you know, how you sell $10 odds, but that doesn't really tell us anything. 40:47 [SPEAKER_04]: because they really, somebody could have knocked at the door and said, I go to Kio, will you buy an ad for the yearbook? 40:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And they could have said yes. 40:55 [SPEAKER_04]: The basketball did send them a Christmas card, but he probably sent everybody in the parish of Christmas card, right? 41:02 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's no family connection. 41:05 [SPEAKER_04]: The connection would have been St. Clements, and that he was living there, and he was working at Kio. 41:13 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of people don't understand that the priest did not live at Kio. 41:17 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no ruptury there. 41:19 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a house of pre-sliven. 41:21 [SPEAKER_04]: The non-slid there. 41:23 [SPEAKER_04]: So Joseph Maskel was living at St. Clement's parish. 41:28 [SPEAKER_04]: So those of you that know about Charles Brands, after his momly forwarded, that Charles had been abused, the diocese reassigned Maskel to Kio. 41:40 [SPEAKER_04]: But at the end of the day, he still drove his car back to St. Clements to go and live there. 41:47 [SPEAKER_04]: So he could have been around kids in the afternoon around the same time that old directory, which sits over there near the St. Clements church, was being sold. 41:58 [SPEAKER_04]: So a new one could be built. 42:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So Maskel then went and lived at our lady of victory, parish. 42:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And there was abuse that went on there when he was living in that 42:09 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's how the two are connected. 42:12 [SPEAKER_04]: My gut is telling me that Joyce saw something or knew something. 42:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And when I talked to her family in the last year, they told me that they heard, I think Shane, you were with me when they said this, not would it be almost two years ago now, that they heard that Joyce said to Joseph Moscow, if you talked to my younger sister, I'll tell you. 42:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember that Shane? 42:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. 42:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Maskel didn't like to be told no. 42:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And Joyce's feistyness was probably like Kathy's. 42:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And if a woman told him no, and I'm not saying that the survivor said yes, but I believe that he or his drugs, alcohol and manipulated their minds so that they were just beside themselves. 43:00 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think as older adults, if Kathy and Joyce said no to him, 43:05 [SPEAKER_04]: He would be like, okay, they're going to be in the collateral damage column because I'm getting rid of them. 43:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think it could have been something like that. 43:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, also when we learned that during the time in Baltimore, most recently, we also learned that the police at the time believed that the person who drove 43:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 43:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I forgot about that. 43:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Should we explain what that means, Shane? 43:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it'll say some people are going to, what are you talking about? 43:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 43:35 [SPEAKER_04]: When Kathy's car was found, okay, there was mud on the brake, but not the gas pedal. 43:43 [SPEAKER_04]: So if the person that was driving her car brought it, when they brought it back to the apartments, drove with their right foot, they would put the right foot on the gas, then they put the right foot on the gas 43:58 [SPEAKER_04]: There was one, one, and not the other. 44:02 [SPEAKER_04]: So that would indicate that maybe the left foot had mud on it and the right foot didn't. 44:08 [SPEAKER_04]: But we do believe that the car went into a muddy area. 44:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we all just know that. 44:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 44:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I changed the tires, didn't they? 44:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we also know that people who drive with two feet, that's not a very common thing, even now. 44:21 [SPEAKER_05]: We do have some more questions. 44:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Has anybody heard from her since it's been three years. 44:32 [SPEAKER_05]: But I just feel like she now should come forward and let everybody know what she knows and quit hiding. 44:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm just checking. 44:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 44:44 [SPEAKER_04]: to answer your question, no. 44:47 [SPEAKER_04]: We've reached out to her and I know someone who is her cousin and they reached out and her family said she doesn't want to talk to anybody about this. 44:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Please leave her alone. 45:00 [SPEAKER_04]: We want her to do a podcast where she could say whenever she wanted because we don't sense her people. 45:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So if there's so many out there we can change your name 45:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely. 45:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Like right now, this is not really Gemma and Shane should introduce my voice to the sounds like her. 45:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Nah, anyway, you know, sharing me, okay, everybody that was involved in the keepers had to sign a release form that is not a non-disclosure form a release form, which means that the film makers can use anything that you said were dead or that they filmed, however, that for the movie, right? 45:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So she signed the release form. 45:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, she didn't come across very well, but I can give you a couple little tidbits of information. 45:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Her husband is a retired Baltimore City police officer and 45:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't imagine her law practice surviving all of the criticism that she got from the people that saw her in the capers. 46:05 [SPEAKER_04]: So we have a behavior analyst that works with us and he's federally trained and he did watch her and he had a lot of comments about her saying we could wish it probably 46:23 [SPEAKER_04]: but I think he found her questionable as well. 46:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you think? 46:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will say this for her. 46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: At least she was willing to go on camera. 46:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They are shy. 46:33 [SPEAKER_02]: This was annoying to see that. 46:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. 46:35 [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. 46:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Nope. 46:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But we did email her and she did tear it down. 46:40 [SPEAKER_02]: For anyone who would come on and talk to us as I did with Sean Kane, I would remain relaxed. 46:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So with Juma, but she didn't want anything to do with that. 46:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of people always ask us about her and we did do a podcast with someone who had dealings with her to show, yeah, with Brooke, another podcaster. 46:56 [SPEAKER_04]: and what was her sense that she was not being true. 47:02 [SPEAKER_02]: She dealt with her all the previous days, and she was willing to us. 47:07 [SPEAKER_02]: How Sharon May was hiding documents and being very shady. 47:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was just a way for us to verify the behavior about a lot of survivors and other people were suggesting that she was doing. 47:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Do that. 47:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Bork had no connection to the keepers or survivors. 47:25 [SPEAKER_02]: She was just telling us of a different case. 47:28 [SPEAKER_02]: that Sharon had worked in the shady things that she had done for that case. 47:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So for anyone who's saying, I do recommend going back, especially if you weren't to know more about Sharon and stuff that happened before and after. 47:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you just say, did you just say the shady things she did or the shitty thing? 47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 47:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Both. 47:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Why is COVID turned us all into 47:54 [SPEAKER_02]: That is true. 47:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. 47:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that you can't stand any of our previous families, but give them. 48:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, give you a live scene. 48:04 [SPEAKER_02]: What's funny about doing this, though? 48:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And what I think is entertaining is when we are recording for podcasts and even we're hearing people, there is lots of back and forth that we laugh about random things. 48:15 [SPEAKER_02]: that we cut out of the episode to make a little better. 48:18 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just some fun that people are going to witness for that year. 48:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we should let you in this every week or every month. 48:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll make things up. 48:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's go. 48:26 [SPEAKER_04]: What next? 48:28 [SPEAKER_04]: First, next. 48:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So someone we'd like to know what sparked you into investigating sister theft is case in the first place. 48:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I get asked that a lot. 48:38 [SPEAKER_04]: How can I say this without sounding right? 48:42 [SPEAKER_04]: She was such the real deal. 48:44 [SPEAKER_04]: She was Julie Andrews without being too sweetseed. 48:48 [SPEAKER_04]: She's the reason I became a teacher. 48:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And I had her for English class and three years of drama club. 48:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And everything about her, 48:59 [SPEAKER_04]: made us want to work harder. 49:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So she was a fabulous teacher. 49:04 [SPEAKER_04]: She used what's called the secratic method, which means she's probing us with questions that make us think deeper and harder and retire and we responded and we asked for more. 49:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And I remember so clearly being in her classroom and how much I would look forward to that, and then I also had just a Russell for math and I was not really good master, but she made it fun. 49:30 [SPEAKER_04]: She was a great math teacher. 49:32 [SPEAKER_04]: She was adorable. 49:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I love that lady, but I guess when she was murdered. 49:38 [SPEAKER_04]: We were all heading off to college and it wasn't solved and years went by and it was like one of my friends. 49:48 [SPEAKER_04]: We'd always share articles that showed up in the newspaper every couple years about it. 49:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know her family. 49:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And then when Tom Nujen, and again, this is in my book, keeping one how I came to know why I was born, available paperback, e-book, and audible now. 50:05 [SPEAKER_04]: So you get to listen to this voice for eight hours, with that pretty exciting. 50:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I know, I was so embarrassed listening to myself. 50:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I had to turn it off, but anyway, so there was always this thing like in the back of my mind, and when Tom Nujen was getting ready to write 50:24 [SPEAKER_04]: He was literally going through yearbooks and just trying to find phone numbers. 50:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And he found mine and he reached me. 50:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And we talked and he asked me if I'd like to contribute to the story and I did. 50:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And I talked about learning in fact, she had on my wife. 50:39 [SPEAKER_04]: So that was in 2006. 50:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't believe that. 50:42 [SPEAKER_04]: We kept in touch often a one over the next couple years. 50:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And I finally said one day, I can come in back to Baltimore and finish the story. 50:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, yes, I am. 50:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's meet September. 50:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And we did drove around and looked at everything where everything happened and he decided if he couldn't get his next. 51:04 [SPEAKER_04]: story published, but he would do it himself. 51:07 [SPEAKER_04]: So he started his own. 51:09 [SPEAKER_04]: It's called Inside Ball to War, and it's like a blog, but he couldn't get that sister Kathy story published. 51:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Finally, the city paper published it. 51:20 [SPEAKER_04]: But Tom was back one his mission, and he just really had investigated reporter in every sense of the word. 51:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not sure there are too many of those 51:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, he truly is an investigator reporter. 51:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So he digs and he looks and he finds answers. 51:38 [SPEAKER_04]: So it was a joy working with him. 51:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Now I talk to him a few months ago and he's really pulled back one all of this. 51:46 [SPEAKER_04]: He says chosen the whole story has taken its toll when so many people in terms of health. 51:52 [SPEAKER_04]: mental and physical and emotional well-being that a lot of people are just, they really just don't want to deal with it anymore. 52:02 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's not written anymore about it recently, but he's really the impetus for my involvement. 52:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And then once I got involved, we set up the Facebook pages, and I reached out to ask if any KiO women were anything about the abuse or about Kathy and we 52:21 [SPEAKER_04]: nowhere. 52:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And the numbers just kept growing. 52:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he interviewed a number of them. 52:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And then O'Keeow colleague is Ryan White's. 52:32 [SPEAKER_04]: He's our director from the keepers. 52:34 [SPEAKER_04]: His aunt. 52:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And she sent him an article. 52:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And she said, what do you think about this is a documentary? 52:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And he came out from Los 52:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Several times this jeans family really vetting him and he told me that her she had made the commitment They weren't going to go forward. 52:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So once she said she'd be okay doing it and As long as we were all protected and we had oversight on we were asked to do 53:04 [SPEAKER_04]: that's when they got in touch with me. 53:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, I talked to everybody. 53:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So I rallied the troops and that was the beginning of it. 53:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And they just came back for about a week every month. 53:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And they financed most of it themselves until investors started seeing what they were doing and provided the money for them to finish it. 53:24 [SPEAKER_04]: They have so many great documentaries. 53:27 [SPEAKER_04]: If you guys want to find out about them, just go to tripod media and get 53:34 [SPEAKER_04]: The capers was nominated for, let me make this, what is it, an Emmy award, because it's on TV. 53:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 53:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Academy awards are on, it will be a sizzle Emmy award. 53:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's when I got interested, and I don't see myself stopping. 53:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I work on this every day, not all day. 53:54 [SPEAKER_04]: because I really believe that I need balance in my life. 53:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm very right-brain. 53:59 [SPEAKER_04]: So I paint, I write, I do house projects, I have my dog, who sound asleep right now, and amazingly, because I'm on the phone. 54:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I leave time for people in my life. 54:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I have a wonderful support system. 54:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Most of the people that are listening tonight are part of that. 54:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Now it and I appreciate you so much. 54:18 [SPEAKER_04]: So let's go ahead and stop for here, Jumbo. 54:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, thank you, everybody. 54:31 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much for joining us today, thank you very much for joining us today, thank you very much for joining 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