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4:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, when I went to school when I started as a freshman to kids and school some of them had known. 4:16 [SPEAKER_06]: And I knew too because we moved to Maryland in 1969 and that happened the year that we moved to Maryland. 4:25 [SPEAKER_06]: and it was all over the news, and I knew for many years, and some of the kids said to me that Mrs. Welsh was sister Kathy's roommate, and she works at the school, and I was like, oh, I didn't know that. 4:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And they went, yes. 4:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, wow. 4:41 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was so, yeah, that was a very common fact there, but he knew that she was working there. 4:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And how far was your school from that area of Baltimore, 4:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Mark Spalding is in Severn and it's off of New Cut Road if you're familiar with that area. 5:00 [SPEAKER_06]: It's Severn in England, Bernie, kind of interconnect with each other. 5:04 [SPEAKER_06]: This is not too far. 5:05 [SPEAKER_06]: I would say from where Kathy and Russ live, I would think it was maybe 20, 25 minutes, maybe. 5:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Now you can go to a Catholic school major. 5:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, that is a Catholic school. 5:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay. 5:20 [SPEAKER_06]: At the time, it was called Martin's Folding High School, but they have since changed it to Archbishop's Falling High School. 5:27 [SPEAKER_06]: They changed the name, I think, in the 80s, late 80s, to Archbishop's Falling. 5:33 [SPEAKER_06]: So, yes, there was a Catholic school. 5:35 [SPEAKER_06]: It started out as an all-female school, and then they changed it to male and female school back in like the mid 70s. 5:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I can clarify a little bit chained because a lot of people like you didn't know about Martin's balding, but when after Kathy disappeared and was found at that time, Russ, sister Russell was teaching at Rockland Junior High, which is the building that you saw when you visited the area with me and she would walk to school. 6:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I just talked to their friend Pat Gilner this week, and to clarify, when Kathy was found, Russ left Rockland and went to Spalding, like in the middle of the year. 6:20 [SPEAKER_05]: She didn't finish out the year at Rockland, which I didn't know. 6:23 [SPEAKER_05]: But Martin Spalding, as Beth just said, was named for a 6:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And that was where Ross was teaching, and that's where she met her husband, but she was teaching that when was it that you, I know you're younger than I am, but not a year is the shame myster when was it that you actually started at Spalding. 6:48 [SPEAKER_06]: And what year did you meet Russ, my start is balding in 76 and not that her in 77. 6:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so I knew off her, but I didn't actually do any reactions with her soul October of 77. 7:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm. 7:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And then she taught me in 78 and 79 both years. 7:11 [SPEAKER_06]: She taught the 7:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you guys know she had been a nun before you know about the whole sister Kathy thing like when she was just teaching there did people know that she had left the convent had been a nun. 7:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 7:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I did know because when the kids were talking and I said she was the nun that lived with sister Kathy who was murdered and they all talked about that that was like the chat. 7:35 [SPEAKER_06]: When you got into school, if you didn't know that, you were sure to know. 7:40 [SPEAKER_06]: That was a good song. 7:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I'll make sure you're here. 7:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because make sure you knew that. 7:44 [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't connect the two until they talked about it. 7:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know that. 7:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I just, when you passed, you know, I was murdered, but I didn't know what Russell was loving was. 7:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm. 7:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Then when they told me, I was like, oh, wow, that's interesting. 7:57 [SPEAKER_06]: But I defended her after I met her. 7:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And if the kids talked about her, I always said, you guys need to stop talking about her. 8:03 [SPEAKER_06]: and I would get a little angry with them and say, stop, why did you do that? 8:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Why did you feel like they shouldn't be talking about her? 8:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Because they had no clue what she was going through. 8:13 [SPEAKER_06]: They did know. 8:14 [SPEAKER_06]: And I didn't even know. 8:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And until I watched the keepers, until I read your book, I know clue what that woman was going through. 8:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And even back then, I didn't know what she was going through. 8:26 [SPEAKER_06]: I just figured you guys need to stop talking about her because she was such a kind 8:33 [SPEAKER_06]: She was. 8:34 [SPEAKER_06]: She's just a way her mannerism twer. 8:37 [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't like people talking about her that way because I liked her. 8:41 [SPEAKER_06]: She was an excellent teacher. 8:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I love draws. 8:44 [SPEAKER_06]: She was an excellent teacher. 8:46 [SPEAKER_06]: She was good at what she did. 8:49 [SPEAKER_02]: When you tell us a little bit about what she was like as a teacher, some of your memories. 8:53 [SPEAKER_06]: It was her mannerisms. 8:55 [SPEAKER_06]: It's the way she taught. 8:56 [SPEAKER_06]: If you didn't understand something, she would take the time to go back and show you again. 9:02 [SPEAKER_06]: She didn't make you feel like you were dumb just because you didn't understand it. 9:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And even if you didn't understand something and she'd say, why don't you stay after class and we'll go over it real quick again? 9:13 [SPEAKER_06]: She was just really good about making sure that you understood it. 9:18 [SPEAKER_06]: She patients, she's very patient. 9:21 [SPEAKER_06]: She just made you feel really good about yourself and that's why I liked her. 9:26 [SPEAKER_05]: You shared with me when we talked last week a really special moment that you had with Russ and I'm hoping that you'll share that with everybody who's listening when she was saying goodbye to you. 9:39 [SPEAKER_06]: It's something I've never told anybody. 9:41 [SPEAKER_06]: You're the first person I've ever told this to. 9:43 [SPEAKER_06]: My parents don't even know this and my dad's dead, but my mom's life is just something I've kept with me for a long time. 9:52 [SPEAKER_06]: I had my senior yearbook and we always run around the last day of our senior year. 9:57 [SPEAKER_06]: We don't ever go to classes, but we run around and we take our yearbooks to our teacher and have them sign it and say goodbye to everybody and it's such a very emotional day for everybody 10:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And I went around and got all my teachers just on my yearbook and I saved Rust for last. 10:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And I walked into her classroom and I had her, she signed my yearbook and she signed it and she talked in the rest of and I always talked about things and we never talked about anything about the past. 10:24 [SPEAKER_06]: I always respected that about her. 10:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I never went into things that she never wanted to talk about. 10:31 [SPEAKER_06]: and she was really good about it. 10:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's talk about you. 10:34 [SPEAKER_06]: What's going on with you? 10:35 [SPEAKER_06]: What are the kids doing in school? 10:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Tell me about the dances? 10:39 [SPEAKER_06]: She was always really good about that. 10:41 [SPEAKER_06]: And then she told me she says, what are you going to do after you at least school today and we're going to do the summer and so we act about that and 10:49 [SPEAKER_06]: So she gave me a hug and she kissed me on the top of my forehead and she looked me straight in the eyes and she said, I want to tell you one thing and I want you to remember and so what's that and she goes, don't ever let a man be superior to you and when you're 18 years old. 11:07 [SPEAKER_06]: you don't think of that as anything. 11:10 [SPEAKER_06]: It just flies over your head up. 11:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay. 11:13 [SPEAKER_06]: So I hugged her. 11:14 [SPEAKER_06]: We cry for a few minutes and I walked out the door and just like funny, I never ever saw her again after that. 11:21 [SPEAKER_06]: And retrospect best. 11:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Does that have a different or something to mean to you now it has every meaning to me now it means everything to me now now I know what it means now watching the keepers when I finally got the nerve to it tells me what that really means she was giving me a clue of what I should how I should be that was a clue for me to this day I was like wow. 11:51 [SPEAKER_06]: It's mind-boggling, don't you think? 11:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it is for us too, don't you think? 11:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because we've often spent time talking with people who knew Russ well, but we've never talked to a student that she had from Martin's balding, who had a connection like you've had. 12:07 [SPEAKER_05]: And when we think now what it to me, the statement that she made to you, 12:14 [SPEAKER_05]: It does tell me that she knew what was going on, and that she wanted you to be aware, and what was out there in the world. 12:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen much she cared about you, and she wanted good things for you, and from her experience from what Jim and I know from talking to other people, 12:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like she went through a lot of things and that was one of the lessons that she learned was men being superior to her. 12:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So as someone who cared about you, I can see how she would relay that to you. 12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So the year that you had the triple murder happen next door and that she told you that you knew what happened to me, was that in October of 77? 12:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and then yeah, the guy that murder the three little girls this name is Stuart Criner and it happened in Glen Barney in the continue of Southgate, he's no longer alive. 13:10 [SPEAKER_06]: He was in the touchstone that placed for people there insane. 13:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I think he was there to 81 and then they found him one morning to be hung himself. 13:22 [SPEAKER_06]: So it ended up with a very sad ending. 13:25 [SPEAKER_06]: He was a very bullied child. 13:27 [SPEAKER_06]: When he lived with us, blood the kids in the area were very mean to him. 13:31 [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm sure he didn't have a very good life. 13:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I know there was last stories about what was going on with him and that kind of stuff. 13:40 [SPEAKER_06]: And who knows what was going on that day and what was in his mind. 13:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Those three little girls didn't deserve what happened to him. 13:47 [SPEAKER_06]: They were seven, eight, nine. 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: The day that she told you that you knew what happened to me, was that the only reference that you remember her ever making? 13:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, that is the only time that woman has ever made a new reference to that. 13:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Was a day I left to go to leave school. 14:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that was the only day. 14:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And they know it. 14:05 [SPEAKER_06]: I never, ever talked to her about that. 14:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I respected her. 14:10 [SPEAKER_06]: And I never brought it up. 14:12 [SPEAKER_06]: We only talked about school. 14:14 [SPEAKER_06]: We talked about what was going on in schools, 14:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I respected her and I never rotted up because I knew it was a very hurtful and source spot with her. 14:25 [SPEAKER_05]: It's incredible that she to me it says she saw you a little bit like Kathy because you were the care giver for those children and if you babysat those children you're 17 it was like Kathy. 14:38 [SPEAKER_05]: and caring about the girls who were being hurt. 14:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And so she probably realized how personal this was going to be to you. 14:47 [SPEAKER_06]: It was very personal. 14:49 [SPEAKER_06]: He hurt three little girls that I cared for. 14:52 [SPEAKER_06]: One of them was my best friends all sister and I loved her in the death. 14:55 [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't bake better, but the other girls down the street I did. 14:58 [SPEAKER_06]: And they played with those little girls. 14:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes I was maybe sitting and she used to come down and play with them too. 15:02 [SPEAKER_06]: How three of them asked me sometimes and so yeah, they have their lives. 15:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I did like that. 15:08 [SPEAKER_06]: That's horrible. 15:09 [SPEAKER_05]: I bet Ross kept your eye on you in a good way for the rest of that year. 15:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Just so I'm sure to see if they were signed. 15:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that you were having trauma. 15:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you know the man she married, Mr. Welch? 15:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he was a language arts teacher. 15:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I same school, right? 15:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't have him for a teacher, but I knew who he was. 15:31 [SPEAKER_05]: I know he's living, but he's requested that nobody conveyed his privacy because he doesn't want to talk about this, and that's okay. 15:39 [SPEAKER_05]: I do have a question for you. 15:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I was told by their friend Pat that Russ, I think it must have been the second full, the first four years she was there, which would have been like 771, that she was the assistant principal. 15:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Does that ring a bell? 15:59 [SPEAKER_05]: opted not to do that when packed to be in a teacher. 16:02 [SPEAKER_06]: No, that I did not know. 16:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I just was kidding. 16:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 16:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's interesting. 16:08 [SPEAKER_06]: That. 16:09 [SPEAKER_06]: No, because you're getting a writing go to school there until 70, uh, search. 16:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Right. 16:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I did not know. 16:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Wow, that's some interesting news. 16:17 [SPEAKER_06]: I had no clue. 16:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think it was. 16:20 [SPEAKER_05]: I think really. 16:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I believe that she went to Spalding after Kathy was found and then, um, that year it's balding and I think it was the next year that she was invited to be the assistant principal and then did it and then I think after one year went back to being a teacher, but don't quote me because I'm not absolutely sure. 16:39 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I have to ask some friends that like older friends that were there for some friends are one there when you like 71 72 and ask them that they know. 16:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And see what they because I did not know that. 16:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Wow, that's interesting. 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You know that wellness goal you set at the start of the year. 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not too late to stick with it and make your future self proud. 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: especially with the all-in-one nutrition shake from Kachava. 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: With 25 grams of protein, 6 grams of fiber, greens, adaptogens and more. 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: No fillers, no nonsense, just the highest quality ingredients. 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Stick with your wellness goals, go to kachava.com and use code news for 15% off. 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kachava.com code news. 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: life can get overwhelming and talking to someone can make all the difference. 17:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode, make starting therapy simple. 17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Complete a short questionnaire and you'll be matched with a licensed therapist and as little as a couple of days. 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: You can connect by message, phone or video, from wherever you feel comfortable. 17:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And if the first therapist isn't the right fit, 17:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Better help include a journal for personal reflection and daily group sessions on a variety of topics and they accept each essay and FSA cards. 18:05 [SPEAKER_02]: with over 2,000,000 users, and a 4. star rating on trust pilot. 18:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Better help is a trusted platform for accessible mental health care. 18:15 [SPEAKER_02]: If you think you could benefit from therapy, visit betterhelp.com, choose our podcast during sign-up, and get 10% off your first month. 18:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Taking care of your mental health is a sign of strength. 18:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Start your journey today. 18:30 [SPEAKER_04]: What this is the new Weight Watchers. 18:34 [SPEAKER_04]: It works. 18:35 [SPEAKER_04]: For members like JoJo, who's learning simple, healthy habits, Sharia, who's making progress with meds, and Kim, who still gets to eat what she loves. 18:44 [SPEAKER_04]: For over 60 years, we've helped millions of members find what works for them. 18:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, it's your turn. 18:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Watch your life open up. 18:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Watch your story shift. 18:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Watch what you're capable of. 18:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Watch it work. 19:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you know what year she married um I don't know I know that it's folding but I don't know I could find that out because the people have asked about that when you heard about the keepers being how did you immediately know that Russell was going to be in it. 19:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I did and it took me a long time to watch it because I knew she was going to be in it and I know I knew it was going to be tough to watch because she was in it so it took me a while to watch it because I knew it was going to be heartbreaking because she was in it and what did you take away from it after you watched well I was like whoa. 19:41 [SPEAKER_06]: it shook my face, big time, and makes me want to go out and solve this murder. 19:47 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just totally blows my mind. 19:50 [SPEAKER_06]: There's just so many questions, who did this to her? 19:53 [SPEAKER_06]: And why? 19:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't get it. 19:55 [SPEAKER_06]: I just don't get it. 19:56 [SPEAKER_06]: There's just so many people that are involved in this and why would these do this to this woman? 20:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think everybody that's listening and has seen the 20:10 [SPEAKER_05]: why destroy this human being who had so much to share. 20:15 [SPEAKER_05]: And a lot of people have taken Russell's character of being quiet as hiding things, which is ridiculous. 20:22 [SPEAKER_05]: So it means a lot for us to hear about what she was like as a person. 20:27 [SPEAKER_06]: There's too many people out there that are like why didn't she call the police? 20:32 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't know her. 20:33 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't know what was going on in her mind. 20:36 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't know what she was doing. 20:37 [SPEAKER_06]: But you can't sit there and say that. 20:40 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't know what Massful was saying to her. 20:42 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't know what that other Prisma saying to her. 20:45 [SPEAKER_06]: She was probably terrified. 20:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I agree with you. 20:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I've often thought about what, well, Shane and I talked about this. 20:52 [SPEAKER_05]: What would we do if somebody said 20:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. 20:58 [SPEAKER_05]: I would keep my mouth shut if you talk. 21:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Talk. 21:02 [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to die. 21:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's pretty significant that Beth is telling us that what Russell told her almost eight years after Kathy disappeared was murdered. 21:14 [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't say Beth. 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: My best friend was murdered. 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't say that. 21:18 [SPEAKER_02]: She said, you know what happened to me. 21:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And to me that sounds like 21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And fear, if she's wanting to connect with Beth, it just seems to me that she would have said, my best friend was murdered and that hurt a lot in idea what that every day. 21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But what she said was, you know what happened to me. 21:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's something that we've heard from the other people that we've spoken to that new sister Russell is that she never would speak about it. 21:47 [SPEAKER_02]: She wouldn't hint about it. 21:49 [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't want it to be brought up. 21:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is all to me points to. 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It was very painful. 21:55 [SPEAKER_05]: to tell us what she would say to her class is the first day of class. 22:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she would walk in and if weren't in her class yet, if I hadn't had her for a teacher, she would come in and she'd say hi, my name is Mrs Welch, and she'd say, this is what we're doing and this is what I need you to get for your surprise and things like that. 22:15 [SPEAKER_06]: She'd go through all of that and then at the very end she would say, 22:18 [SPEAKER_06]: And I want to bring up one other thing too. 22:21 [SPEAKER_06]: We're not discussing what happened to me in 1969. 22:25 [SPEAKER_06]: That is my prior life. 22:27 [SPEAKER_06]: And we're not discussing it. 22:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Case closed. 22:31 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's she always said that. 22:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Sure you go. 22:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 22:36 [SPEAKER_06]: And you know what? 22:36 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'll never forget. 22:38 [SPEAKER_06]: This one boy that was in our class looked at her and said, So did they ever find out who killed her? 22:46 [SPEAKER_06]: I could not believe he said that. 22:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I turned around and I looked at him and I said to myself, You're an idiot. 22:53 [SPEAKER_05]: She's set in the guidelines and he stepped over the line and but there's always somebody like that in a place right back. 23:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think what's really funny is when we walked out in the hallway after class this one girl that was sitting next to me, we walked out in the hallway, you know what she did. 23:09 [SPEAKER_06]: She walked outside and I was standing next to her and she walked up to him and she kicked him in the butt. 23:14 [SPEAKER_06]: If you're given the button to go here, she looked at him and she goes, good going. 23:19 [SPEAKER_05]: This is the kind of atmosphere those two nuns, those two women, and created. 23:24 [SPEAKER_05]: It was one where you were respectful, you respected and cared for them. 23:30 [SPEAKER_05]: And whatever guidelines they set, that was okay with us. 23:38 [SPEAKER_05]: what they were upset now. 23:40 [SPEAKER_05]: It just makes me feel so good, Beth, to hear you talk about her for such a real person that made such a positive impact on you and she is a real person. 23:51 [SPEAKER_06]: She deserves respect and she deserves to rest in peace and people need to stop making her the fall guy. 24:00 [SPEAKER_05]: You're saying that, yeah, what do you want people who are listening to know or say? 24:07 [SPEAKER_06]: She's a good person, she's a wonderful person, and that she deserves respect. 24:14 [SPEAKER_06]: And you know what she did, what she thought was the right thing. 24:18 [SPEAKER_06]: She was protecting her family. 24:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Just like anybody else would have done, go on people leave her alone. 24:26 [SPEAKER_06]: She's a good person. 24:27 [SPEAKER_06]: And she needs to rest and peace. 24:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Gemma, I have a question for you. 24:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 24:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is just for my life of knowledge dealing with Catholic schools, but Beth was talking about how her high school was also a Catholic school. 24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Do the Catholic schools at that time, not just higher nuns? 24:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So like for example, Sister Russell was now married. 24:51 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not all nuns. 24:52 [SPEAKER_05]: They're called lay teachers, L. A. Y. 24:56 [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know if you remember looking in my yearbook, but there were a lot of pictures of men and women who taught there. 25:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're not priests or nuns. 25:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess it was half in half for me. 25:06 [SPEAKER_05]: What about spalding bath where they're nuns? 25:09 [SPEAKER_05]: They're not a lot. 25:12 [SPEAKER_07]: Are they in high? 25:14 [SPEAKER_06]: No, they had habits, do they wear habits? 25:16 [SPEAKER_06]: No, they wore regular clothes. 25:19 [SPEAKER_06]: They were not habits. 25:20 [SPEAKER_06]: They wore like a cross on their, they were from the Notre Dame, sisters of Notre Dame. 25:28 [SPEAKER_06]: And it had the Notre Dame, because they had a con bet, off of our school. 25:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they did, they do, they were not. 25:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Now, some of them were the thing over there on their head, but they just wore regular clothes. 25:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Some of them still wore having on their head. 25:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Not many of them. 25:51 [SPEAKER_06]: But they had we I would say be probably had maybe seven nuns in the whole school and that was about it. 25:59 [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't even have a priest on staff. 26:01 [SPEAKER_06]: We had one that came in and did set mass for us. 26:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Who was part of a priest that was part of a part of I think was St. Bernadette. 26:10 [SPEAKER_06]: it was around the corner. 26:11 [SPEAKER_06]: He came over and said masks for us on Wednesdays. 26:15 [SPEAKER_06]: He was near part of our school. 26:16 [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't even have a priest in school like you did. 26:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, now Matt, none of the, nope, the priest didn't live there, but Maskell, it's interesting that you brought that up because he was originally at St. Clemens, which was a Perocule Noventry school 26:36 [SPEAKER_05]: He was moved to Kio, but just for his day job. 26:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So he still lived at St. Clemens. 26:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And so he would be a Kio during the day. 26:46 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he would drive back to the rock tree at St. Clemens and see the kids after school. 26:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. 26:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what the church thought they were doing. 26:55 [SPEAKER_05]: All that mix and up happened a lot. 26:57 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm guessing we probably had 26:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh gosh, when we were full, there were 1200 girls, I'm thinking we probably had 60 faculty members and probably half of them were lay teachers and F. We're religious. 27:12 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's probably pretty typical of Catholic high schools at the time. 27:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't even know, to this day, I don't even know how many nuns are there. 27:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Probably not that many right now, probably maybe I don't think there probably is even any more did I know of that are at school. 27:31 [SPEAKER_06]: I'd have to ask somebody, but I doubt if there isn't even any right now. 27:34 [SPEAKER_06]: that are even teach there. 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that you mentioned that the last time you spoke to sister Russell or as you knew her as Miss Welch, was that day that she gave you that information about a man and the authority, but do you ever remember learning about her dying? 27:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, somebody told me that she had passed away in May of 2001. 27:57 [SPEAKER_06]: But I was living in D. Malice. 28:00 [SPEAKER_06]: One of my friends from Spalding had called me on the phone and said, I'm going to have some really sad news. 28:06 [SPEAKER_06]: And I said, what's that? 28:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And she goes, Mrs. Welch passed away today. 28:09 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, I was just dumbfounded. 28:12 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was heartbroken. 28:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, that's horrible. 28:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I wish I could have sent flowers. 28:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And, but I know what he could have done with show secret of everything. 28:21 [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't even know where to send them and where, you know, where to go to. 28:25 [SPEAKER_06]: He was very secret about her stuff. 28:29 [SPEAKER_06]: He didn't really let everybody know what was going on with her funeral or anything. 28:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, did you know anything? 28:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Jama only from her friend Pat, you know, her who was also in the papers. 28:40 [SPEAKER_05]: She was the former nun who was in our teacher and real pretty lady and a white apartment and everything. 28:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And she's very pristine. 28:49 [SPEAKER_05]: She's a very good friend now. 28:51 [SPEAKER_05]: And she told me that she had talked to us the day before that, because last school had died the day before that. 28:58 [SPEAKER_05]: And it was almost like, I don't know, maybe I'm really into holistic health. 29:05 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think sometimes the things that are lives that cause trauma can also cause physical ailments and she died of melanoma. 29:15 [SPEAKER_05]: And like for example, Jean Wainer's husband dying of esophageal cancer and we talk about how and to just stuff everything. 29:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think because Russ was kind of person that was able to keep things in and not like she could wrap him up and put him in there and not go back to them, which is what she was always sound like she would say to her classes like we're not going to go back there. 29:39 [SPEAKER_05]: That's not my life anymore. 29:41 [SPEAKER_05]: She wanted to share the lessons learned with you, but I think Pat would probably know more about. 29:48 [SPEAKER_05]: the funeral or how she was memorialized. 29:51 [SPEAKER_05]: And I can always ask, but we're just so appreciative that you reached out and found me. 29:56 [SPEAKER_05]: And I am too, and yeah, tremendously. 30:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it means a lot. 30:01 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think a lot of people are really thirsty for information about her and just to hear, because 90% of the people who saw the keepers believe that she was not complicit in any wrongdoing. 30:18 [SPEAKER_05]: knew her when they were younger and she was their teacher. 30:22 [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway, thank you, best. 30:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you're very welcome and thank you for having me. 30:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I hope this brings people some solitude people to know that she is a wonderful person and she deserves the respect from people because she is a good person and they have to help to understand that she was probably going through a very hard time. 30:43 [SPEAKER_06]: No, 30:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Who knows what she was gone through, and then I'd the masco was at her apartment and never know what was told to her. 30:50 [SPEAKER_06]: So she was just protecting who she needed to protect. 30:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I'll give her a lot of kudos for doing what she had to do. 30:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I think sister Russell will be really happy that you took the time also to talk good things about her. 31:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 31:06 [SPEAKER_06]: She's a good person and she was, she had such a great disposition about her and she had such a, a soft demeanor. 31:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, she was wonderful. 31:15 [SPEAKER_06]: She always made you feel so good about yourself. 31:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Especially when you are frustrated, you know, how math can be so frustrating and trust me, math was very frustrating for me. 31:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And she was always that there and I never felt dumb around her. 31:29 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's what I always liked about her. 31:31 [SPEAKER_06]: I used to look at her, but why do you just try these? 31:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And she goes, well, let's go. 31:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Good. 31:36 [SPEAKER_06]: She would laugh and say, well, let's go on trying and use it for you. 31:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, and she was such a great teacher. 31:42 [SPEAKER_06]: She could teach you how to do something. 31:45 [SPEAKER_06]: And it would make so much sense to you. 31:48 [SPEAKER_06]: That's what was so great about her. 31:49 [SPEAKER_06]: She was a wonderful teacher. 31:51 [SPEAKER_06]: I miss her softness in the way she was. 31:55 [SPEAKER_05]: That's really true. 31:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you. 32:21 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the new Weight Watchers. 32:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Built for real life and real results, no matter what mode you're in. 32:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Maddy went all in for her big day and lost 33 pounds. 32:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Emily lost 85 pounds and hit her goal while still living her life. 32:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, what she's gave me the tools and I feel amazing. 32:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Join the millions of members and lose weight with the number one doctor recommended weight loss program. 32:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm able to live my life and still hit my goals.
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