0:11 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you. 0:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi everybody, our guest this week is somebody that you heard about. 0:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Our guest this week is going to be gain the phone lady. 0:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you're all saying, oh my God, we released the telly the box girl episode over again. 0:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So you could all catch up with what was happening there. 0:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And. 0:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The woman whose phone was stolen, this is two years ago, has graciously agreed to talk to us and she's going to tell us her side at the story in a minute, but just to bring you up today and give you a timeline, one September 17, 2017, which was about four months after the 1:20 [SPEAKER_01]: the woman who we're calling Jane the phone lady saying, I have some information for you, and I'm not sure what to do about it. 1:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I get messages similar to that from a lot of people. 1:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Some are good leads, some are just somebody wanting to say, I have. 1:37 [SPEAKER_01]: six brothers who knew Sister Kathy or I know somebody who knew somebody, but I responded and I said, sure, what's your information? 1:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And the person who was sending me the message said, I have a box of materials that I think you should have and I don't want to have it because I think it has to do with what was in the capers. 2:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, she gave me her phone number. 2:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked for a while. 2:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she said, I have to go pick up my daughter a daycare. 2:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I call you back? 2:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So she called me back while she was picking her daughter up. 2:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I could hear the child in the back seat. 2:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And we talked for about an hour. 2:25 [SPEAKER_01]: She message me in the middle of the night, 2:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And said, I'm sorry, but I don't want to do this anymore. 2:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, Gemma, the Nancy Drew was frustrated. 2:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And I tried to reach this person all day long and got nowhere later that evening. 2:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a phone call. 2:47 [SPEAKER_01]: from, or I'm sorry, another message from the woman we're gonna speak to today, her name we're gonna call her Jane, and her message to me was the young woman who contacted you, stole my phone. 3:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, she's not me and I have my phone back. 3:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So with that, I'm gonna turn it over to her and if Shane, if you have questions as we go along, 3:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to both jump in there, but I want to welcome Jane the phone lady. 3:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi. 3:22 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you? 3:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello. 3:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good. 3:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good. 3:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little nervous. 3:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess we'll just start off by from the beginning. 3:29 [SPEAKER_02]: How long I'll transpire that that would be great. 3:32 [SPEAKER_02]: If you can talk nice and loud that would be good for our listeners. 3:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 3:35 [SPEAKER_02]: No problem. 3:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I met Kelly, probably 2014, we had maintained a pretty good friendship over the years, somewhere in time, Kelly became a lost person. 3:49 [SPEAKER_02]: She got wrapped up in things that I don't think she even knew what she was getting herself into. 3:54 [SPEAKER_02]: and it hard to even just took over her. 3:57 [SPEAKER_02]: She got another area of use of relationship with a man that being that all its reference were having to constantly stay for from whether it was physical abuse or financial help we were always having to come and be her hero. 4:11 [SPEAKER_02]: One, one afternoon I had gotten a phone call that Kelly and her boyfriend had gotten into a 4:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Badly harder, nobody could get a whole lot of Kelly under that the boyfriend had put in jail that afternoon because of it, but nobody could get a whole of her. 4:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So me being the friend that's always there, helping her and getting her out of bad situation. 4:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I did what I thought was best because I couldn't get a whole record. 4:39 [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't have a phone for her name. 4:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I called the shares department to have a wellness check done on her. 4:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And apparently what I did not know is the property that they found for on was property that she has a trust pass, again, she's not a lot of beyond that property. 4:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So when they got out there to do the wellness tech. 5:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They arrested her for being on that property. 5:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And ever since then, she pulled a grudge against me and thought that I was had ill intentions when I placed that phone call. 5:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Until my knowledge, I didn't realize that she was holding any kind of grudge against that. 5:17 [SPEAKER_02]: A few weeks later, she contacted me. 5:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks situation. 5:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I'm leaving Dawn. 5:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He's beating me. 5:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Please come and get me. 5:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You need to get away from this. 5:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going back to Maryland. 5:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Take me home. 5:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And I did. 5:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I went and got her drove around because I had nowhere to take her. 5:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I have children in my own and I did trust her being in my health just because. 5:38 [SPEAKER_02]: of the company she keeps and the things that she was into. 5:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, Kelly is mentally ill and I just don't, I couldn't trust having her in my home from my own safety in the safety of my family. 5:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So we drove around for eight hours. 5:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I took her to every friend's house she could think of. 5:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Just for her to have a place this day, meanwhile the whole time she's on my phone contacting people finding places address is places to go at the end of this day, I ended up leaving her at a bar in Lake City with a group of girls that work at the bar. 6:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was going to go stay with them wasn't until I got home later on that night I realized that she had my phone she stole it she never gave her back to me. 6:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I contacted them up her friends to get my phone back and eventually the next day after work. 6:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I was able to get my phone back and then when I did get it back, my whole world was like flipped upside down. 6:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I have all these messages that were sent to people news crews Jimmo was one of them all sorts of different media outlets about situation that I didn't have knowledge up, but they were telling these people that I had information about all sorts of stuff. 6:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So when I came across Jim is message. 7:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a little anxious a little bit because the stuff that she had told Jima was things that other people were like, saying was going on like the whole situation with her having this box, I was aware that people were saying that she was carrying around a box. 7:19 [SPEAKER_02]: but I really didn't know what the situation was with the box. 7:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And Jim has seemed like she knew she's, hey, this box is real, she's saying she has this box. 7:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I need it, she's apparently the information she'd given Jim a viable information that. 7:34 [SPEAKER_02]: she really felt in her heart that Kelly was telling her the truth. 7:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So I had decided I'm going to help her find Kelly. 7:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll help her. 7:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to the bottom of it. 7:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I went to the boyfriends house. 7:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I contacted friends and other family and Kelly supposedly out running around bearing a box in the back yard. 7:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, while I'm looking for Kelly, I have not been her been able to talk to her myself. 8:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just going off of information that people were giving me went to the boyfriend's mom house. 8:05 [SPEAKER_02]: She just came and got us up. 8:06 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see. 8:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Been digging up the backyard for an hour. 8:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks like that. 8:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And then. 8:11 [SPEAKER_02]: who I was always told was her brother, which I've come to find out is not her brother. 8:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me that she was leading and going to Maryland. 8:18 [SPEAKER_02]: In the last time he saw her, she was upset and threw a Bible at him, which was a supposedly Bible that was in this box. 8:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was somehow related to the keeper case. 8:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I never saw anything in the back personally other people have claimed that they have seen what was in the box. 8:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people say what she's being was true. 8:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I personally never saw it. 8:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So after a while, like I a little shrink now, just kind of wanted to be left alone because at this point, I have I'm dealing with Jimma about the keeper situation. 8:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm having. 8:55 [SPEAKER_02]: First Coast News here in Florida contacting me about a local case in Jacksonville that I had no knowledge of and I just kind of felt like I was used and I wasn't a situation that I couldn't get myself out of that even put my situation myself in the situation over time I tried to contact Kelly just to get like an answer as to why you did this to me because for a while I felt like I 9:21 [SPEAKER_02]: everybody thought that I was lying and that I had made Kelly up. 9:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was frustrating for me, because Kelly's been married so many different times. 9:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't really know what Kelly's legitimate last name was. 9:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew that it was roads at one point. 9:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew that it was Dylan at one point. 9:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I have finally spoke with, I think it was saying that contacted me asking if I would be interested in telling you on my side of the story. 9:45 [SPEAKER_02]: If I didn't, she didn't record it and post it 9:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And then after I had spoke with him, I thought, I gave him information to somebody who could just verify, hey, Kelly's a real person, Kelly has drug problems, Kelly's manipulative. 10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So I passed up some information to Shane and I guess he had contacted the boyfriend's ex-wife. 10:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that kind of made me feel a little bit better, but it didn't go away. 10:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't seem like I didn't still want to say that. 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like I was being harassed. 10:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like it was like a never-ending circle for me. 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I would give everybody the information that they needed or that I thought they needed all the information I had but people were still coming back. 10:27 [SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't make sense, though. 10:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you explain this to us again? 10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And I got to the point that even myself, I had called the Baltimore Sheriff's Department up there and I'd spoke with because I was scared. 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what if I I get in some kind of legal trouble because it was done from my Facebook. 10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I had called the Sheriff's Department myself and spoke with the woman who is over, I guess, the case of Katherine and I spoke with her. 10:54 [SPEAKER_02]: given her all the information I had, hold her mice, I'm sorry. 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Thinking okay, look, I've talked to police. 10:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I've talked to Gemma. 11:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I've talked to Shade. 11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this will go away, but it didn't. 11:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I found out a couple of them. 11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I would all this transpired from the time that it started until we found out what Kelly had done. 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I can answer that. 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It started in September and then last message I had from actually from Kelly was in February of the following year. 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So it went all through the holidays and she actually was in Maryland not far from where I live, which I didn't understand who was who at that point. 11:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't make friends with you and so yeah it went on for months. 11:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do know that after you spoke with her, you're like, I just don't think that this would have been the person to do it is she is very manipulative and that bothered me. 11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh my goodness, they these people think I did this and that was the scariest part. 11:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know that during the duration of time trying to find Kelly contact with her, there were posts made on like local like my local towns like Facebook pages and stuff like that, this is really. 12:11 [SPEAKER_02]: This is getting scary. 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: They're getting out of here 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won't talk about it. 14:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I've heard some other people that she's admitted to what she had done, that she just thought that you were going to end up sending her money in order to get this box. 14:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Her boyfriend, I had spoke with not too long before he went to prison. 14:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe she's in prison now. 14:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He had contacted me and I guess his him and Kelly were going through it 14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: My phone number at one point between Kelly trying to contact me and other places that she had contact saying that I had information about things would were way more relentless than when I thought Jim was being because she was very persistent like demo contacted me pretty persistently and then I had news crews contacting me about other things that 14:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So it just never went away. 14:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So even after I changed my phone number, people were still contacting me about these things. 15:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And the boys were going to have contacted me and was like, I just wouldn't want to apologize for what we did. 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: We shouldn't have done that to you. 15:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You were just being a good friend and dope heads. 15:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do what they have to do to get dope. 15:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he gave me a whole scenario and a whole story. 15:19 [SPEAKER_02]: About how after you guys had talked to each other on, I guess, like Skype or something like that, you had when you would initially talk to Kelly and to Dawn, he gave me this whole scenario about how you had invited Kelly to come over and stay with you and that you were going to help her get a better life and something to that effect and she thought that she was going to be able to gain something from you. 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my, I just want to make sure that listeners understand, I'm sure you can tell that Jane has a very, and I love your accent Jane, but it's very characteristic and when I finally got to talk to you, you were never the person who contacted me by phone the first person that I talked to the night of September 17. 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: did not have an accent, a Southern accent. 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And the person who finally, probably out of guilt and fear, who called me at the very end, and said, did not have an accent. 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know who that person was. 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was a female friend of Kelly's, and I received the call one afternoon and it said, unknown caller, but it did say, Florida. 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So I answered it. 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Please don't report me to the police. 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want you to know that we made everything up. 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was there, I don't know what I could have reported because I didn't know who this person was. 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, we were in a bar, we were all looking up answers. 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: we were doing research. 16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We found out as much as we could about the keepers and they said they did it to get back at you because of the wellness check that resulted in an arrest. 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just want to reassure everybody that Jane, the phone lady, is a really fine person as you can tell from what she's saying and that we are so sorry that this happened to you because the whole world was looking for Kelly. 17:17 [SPEAKER_02]: something still about the whole situation doesn't sit right with me. 17:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that initially, I think regardless of me being involved, regardless of them using my Facebook as retaliation anyway, I still feel like oh my gut that this was going to happen to you. 17:35 [SPEAKER_02]: because the information that they had, it just doesn't seem like that's something that you googled in one night because you had mentioned that it was very detailed and there were things that nobody, there was no way that you understood how anybody would know certain things that she was telling you. 17:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've always wondered if I was just like a golden opportunity that night or if that phone call to the share department never happened, would you have still been contacted by 18:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she could it seems like they had prepared information and that just doesn't seem like information that you could have prepared in the course of one night and I know that she has maintained to other people and it's gotten back to me and I think he has told you at one point that she watched the keepers and she was in jail. 18:24 [SPEAKER_02]: over this thing to that effect. 18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like it's something that she had built up and this was something that she had already planned to do. 18:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And then when I happened, I was just an outlet to do it. 18:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to do her. 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you tell us about some of the other phone calls you had besides from Maine? 18:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to, I received a lot of phone calls. 18:46 [SPEAKER_02]: One of them was from like an NBC or a CNBC. 18:50 [SPEAKER_02]: about one of the people who were on like the one-ed list they had called and they were saying that might like they lived with my neighbor and I told them that I knew this person that was on this like one-ed list that they lived with my neighbor and I was promising I would set them up at my house so that this guy could get caught the weirdest stuff. 19:10 [SPEAKER_02]: They contacted me for a while here that they weren't that these people were going to come to my house. 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If there was a deadline, it would be because the reason I remember it so clearly is because 19:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you remember this too, Jane, because we had contacted you so often and at the time, I don't think you realized that we were contacting you about different things. 19:38 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 19:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I do remember. 19:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the detectives told, I believe she mentioned to you, Gemma, that we should probably stop contacting Jane because she felt like we were harassing her. 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct. 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember one of the last things prior to that detective telling us that you had mentioned is that you were getting upset because you were continually getting contacted by the media. 20:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was confusing, Gemma and I because at the time we hadn't done a podcast yet and we were like, why? 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Why? 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this just didn't make any sense. 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, we just hit a brick wall basically. 20:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when I sent you, I believe it was a text message. 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember I started it and I was like, I know I we promised we wouldn't contact you, but I would like just to have one more phone call if that's okay, and you are kind enough to take my phone call, and that's when you gave me the name of the boyfriend's ex wife who I believe lived like in Washington state, and we're in the West. 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so then I found her in Facebook and I messaged her out of the blue and I was like, hey, I have a really crazy scenario that's happening. 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I call you? 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was kind of enough to take my call and I was like, do you know who Kelly is? 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is what got it even more convincing was because the boyfriends X wife who in this scenario has no irons in this fire at all. 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: She couldn't stand for X husband. 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But she said, yes, I know who Kelly is. 21:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And Kelly was a nurse at some point. 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'm not sure if she still is a nurse. 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And that kind of just went along with her story. 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is something she could have worked for someone like in their home. 21:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And I told her this scenario that Jimah was told. 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, could have happened. 21:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't see Kelly being the person like that has this box 21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So, it was just a crazy scenario that played out, and it wasn't until we were stirring up enough feathers and Kelly's friend calling Gemma because she was scared that she was going to get arrested or something. 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: If we really realize, 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: what was going on, but I have some questions for you that I was writing down as you were talking before we had, and I want to add, that was a very good thought that you had, because you are right. 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It does seem that Kelly had to have researched this, all prior to her stealing your phone that day, because her being at the bar with friends drinking and trying to contact Gemma and stuff, 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The information that was given to her back then wasn't public information. 22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So she had to have done some serious research in her mind. 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: In order to, I think, full gymma. 22:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Had you seen the keepers up until that point? 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm tell Jim, I made you aware of and tell I'd spoke with him. 22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I had not even heard of the key first. 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you told me that you didn't have Netflix. 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was talking about it. 22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you said, I don't know anything about that. 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think once you saw it or saw part of it, you understood that I was not. 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: and able person. 23:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And see that was a part of the thing in the beginning for me is because I knew that I didn't know anything about this. 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And at first, I was kind of leary as to, are you really who you say you are. 23:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 23:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're calling me winning all this information. 23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And all I knew is I'm telling the unfortunately. 23:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, so I'm going to do this at the time, but a part of me always wondered was this somebody. 23:26 [SPEAKER_02]: was just looking for Kelly because Kelly did something and like I always wondered that too and up until I had watched the keepers and I was like this is a real thing. 23:35 [SPEAKER_02]: This is real. 23:36 [SPEAKER_02]: This woman's not lying. 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought you were a person like this lady. 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy. 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what. 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember you said, if you're all this was over, we're some at some point. 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I asked if I could call you and you said something like, okay, so let's start all over again. 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really nice to meet you, gamma. 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, yeah, so I went every page to know that Jane is. 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: A delightful person, very intelligent, very smart and absolutely very understanding and I don't know what to say about. 24:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We what we put everybody through because we I was scammed and that I do people that know me and that have seen me on the capers page that is rare for me not to have the intuition that somebody's BS and me and I bought the whole thing because for example, yeah, when she started talking about the lady burn a data that she was afraid of her husband and she had some foxes and he told her not to look in them and I was like, well, 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't tell me her husband's name. 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, what was her husband's name and she just said, oh, Edgar. 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like I got chills because she, I was asking the questions and she had the answer. 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wish I knew, excuse me, who those women are. 24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: because the one that finally confessed that everything had been made up because she was afraid, I appreciate that. 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But the one that made the original call and was doing all the talking, I have no idea who that was. 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it wasn't Eugene. 25:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've always I wonder if that phone call was placed by somebody in Florida or because that was made while the call came to you guys, like she was in Maryland. 25:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know that was somebody that she had there in Maryland. 25:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, call them. 25:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Let them know that this, oh, I see. 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've always had a lot of questions myself about things that had to be inspired, like her lying in her stank. 25:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was neither in Florida when that happened but her rest record showed completely different. 25:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like that. 25:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And when she has tried to retouts me a couple of times over probably about the last year and a half. 25:50 [SPEAKER_02]: My first things were always like, why did you do this? 25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me in this, she won't even acknowledge that she played a role in this. 25:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anything about that. 25:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anything about it. 25:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So to this as far as I know, but I do know that she has been in trouble since then in Florida for trying to scam their Catholic charity services. 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 26:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's actually how they ended up catching her boyfriend and her boyfriend ended up going being in prison now is through whatever they were trying to fool through the Catholic services. 26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I would you first meet Kelly. 26:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I met Kelly through mutual friends and I just want to stay when I first met Kelly. 26:27 [SPEAKER_02]: She was genuinely one of the most delightful people I've ever met in my life. 26:32 [SPEAKER_02]: She was a very happy person, very loving. 26:35 [SPEAKER_02]: She was she had a mom, she had two kids. 26:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a great person. 26:39 [SPEAKER_02]: She was one of those people that you just enjoyed being around. 26:43 [SPEAKER_02]: They had positive energy to them, then tended up getting married to a man named David and 26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: downwards spirals for her. 26:54 [SPEAKER_02]: She got involved in drugs and I don't even think she realized what she was getting herself into when she did. 26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: After about 2015, 2016 is when I really broke off ties with Kelly because, unfortunately, when you get involved with drugs, you have to do what you have to do to get them and she became a thief. 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's not somebody that I could have around me. 27:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So our really our friendship ended. 27:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was kind of only there when she needed something. 27:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But I still always had love for her. 27:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciated her for who she once was to me. 27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So I felt I feel like sometimes that's why I always was there to catch her when she was falling. 27:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But every time she needed, because nobody was there for her, I got to the point where her best friends, her family, nobody was there because she cried, 27:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I had put this girl on a bus and paid for her ticket for her to go home to Maryland for her just to turn right back around and come back. 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: She worked as a nurse, didn't she? 27:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe she was actually a licensed nurse. 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe she was like a medical assistant or a nurse's assistant. 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she was like an OPN or an RN. 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So she was educated. 28:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would definitely consider Kelly to be a very educated person. 28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: She was talented in a lot of ways. 28:09 [SPEAKER_02]: She could craft you anything under the sun. 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's probably why she was so successful at this thing. 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably she's very fast-runnery. 28:17 [SPEAKER_02]: She could bounce back from anything. 28:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that she knew what she was doing the whole time. 28:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that this was something in hindsight looking back. 28:29 [SPEAKER_02]: something that she always intended on doing, where I was just the person who answered the phone that day and picked her up that day. 28:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have a few questions just for clarifications for our listeners. 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever see a box? 28:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I personally never saw the box, but I heard about the box for a long time prior to being contacted by Jim. 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So this was prior to having your phone? 28:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, do you know or who all can you remember has mentioned the box prior and after her friend that she lived in Virginia or lived in Maryland with Phoebe that's how I became aware of the box initially was. 29:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to take me and another girl, another friend, and to now had taken Kelly, Maryland. 29:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yet again, we had drove her up there. 29:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And not even 24 hours later, Phoebe, her friend, her contact with me and was telling me that she wants to come back to Florida because she's got to come get in this box that she left in Florida. 29:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And all this craziness, and then I didn't know what she was talking about. 29:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Kelly never mentioned it to me. 29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I have never heard Kelly actually stating anything to me about the box. 29:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I had only heard it from other people. 29:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Her boyfriend was telling me about that she had been driving around with a cardboard box that you put like files and like I had up to it that she had been driving around this box that she got out of her dad said or something like that for a month and that she won't let anybody touch it. 30:03 [SPEAKER_02]: She wouldn't let me look in it and I just always 30:08 [SPEAKER_02]: know that's she's on drugs probably believes there's something with this but I've always had heard about it but I've never personally saw it and I know I think that always can use me about the boxes all the times that I had gone and helped her pack all her things get her clothes all her stuff out of don't house I never once 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: first or ever say, oh, I need to get this box or I'll hold on. 30:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I never saw it. 30:34 [SPEAKER_02]: She never brought it up. 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a tool of tactic. 30:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was maybe a sheet talked about it enough. 30:40 [SPEAKER_02]: People would believe this box was real. 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sounds like this was very pointed out. 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Gemma, when you first spoke to Kelly back in September and shortly following that, that was about four months after the keepers was released to Netflix. 30:58 [SPEAKER_00]: the specific details about why you felt she was telling the truth? 31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He told me that you ever I spoke to. 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That was using Jane's phone because it said her name said that she had been a nursing, a home nursing person that she would do home health care. 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And she met this woman who we all remember is earned a data who had 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: this who left her a box in her home. 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And the girl said, I was told I couldn't have it. 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But I got a lawyer who figured out I could have it because I had my name on it. 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody knows this part of the story. 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But I said, so what is in the box? 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, there are school books. 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: and the covers are torn and some of the pages are stuck together. 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: She said there's a diary and it's difficult to read because she said it's been and my father shed for several years. 32:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And that she said the name Anthony was in the diary and we know that Joseph Maskel's first name was Anthony and that the name Kathy was in the book, but she couldn't read the words because they had been damaged. 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said there was a wooden box inside this box and she said I shook it up and I had to break it open, but there was a brown rosary and some scripture readings and then I don't remember Jane, you said claim to have seen Kelly at the post office, but whoever that man was that that he tried to get her took. 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: come back, but he, I think he said to you that both Kelly and Gemma must be crazy. 32:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You wanted to speak to the brother or what, right, thought was the brother. 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And I had to give him the information. 33:01 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, she's Kelly's crazy. 33:03 [SPEAKER_02]: This lady's crazy at a wedding part of it. 33:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But then apparently what he told you was that she threw a book at him that it was like a prayer book or a Bible on the front of it. 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And for people who have watched the keepers, they know that Joseph Maskel was the pastor at St. Clemens parish. 33:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And it wouldn't be unusual for a parish to have a Bible or a prayer book with a cover that would have the church's name, the parish name, and goal. 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when I said to her, what was the husband's name that she was afraid of, she said Edgar, and just I believe every single I bought it, I bought the whole thing. 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So I do think now that you're saying that Kelly may have been in prison during the summer and as she watched the keepers, she would have had plenty of time to put all this together. 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially if she thought she was going to get some kind of a monetary gain from it, because at the end of the day, unfortunately, I've been down the road with her enough, you know, that's her motive for everything. 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting. 34:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I told the police, I call the police our contact at the Baltimore County Police Department, who has handled this case, and I told her about this. 34:26 [SPEAKER_01]: and she was a tentative. 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a cop and she called down to Florida. 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't find any record of this woman and then I think you contacted her and or maybe she called you and said you said which you asked her to stop harassing me and she did. 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She called me and she said 34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I was genuinely very scared. 34:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I was uneasy because then there was talk about coming to lie, though, kind of like, oh my goodness, what if these people think that this is me and I was scared to death, I'm really those scared. 35:06 [SPEAKER_02]: What is my family going to think this has nothing to do with me. 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, people that told the keepers know that at good call to radio station and said that he had the rosary case and that it had session it for in the outside of the case. 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense then that whoever set this up said there's a brown plane brown rosary in the in this box. 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: said there were letters, there were documents that had the Archdiocese of Baltimore written on the documents. 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see, I know, I wanted to see all of that, so I even arranged with a friend that if the box showed up here where I live, she was going to come and we were going to videotape every single thing in the box. 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to put on red or gloves. 35:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So our DNA and our fingerprints wouldn't 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: down at Jenny's thing. 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I told the police that, she said, if the box comes up, I don't plan, yeah, I do the same thing. 36:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do remember, and I think I had told you this, that while trying to find her, those couple of days for you when I was looking for her, that somebody had told me, she's probably at the library because she spends a lot of time at the library. 36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to also add that the fact that she was falling from Florida and talking about Edgar, Jima, we also knew non-public. 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: information at that time four months after the keepers went out. 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It was not touched on in the keepers about him being in Florida. 36:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that correct? 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's correct. 36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't even know that right. 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He lived in Kenya. 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He came, went to Florida. 36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And his first wife who was actually in the keepers, she contacted me when she heard about this whole box thing. 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said that he had 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: and that he was going to marry a woman in Florida, and she said to him, you can't do that because you're still married today. 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And we do know afterwards that when Edgar married his second wife, he used the name John, so he's big a mess, he married the second wife before he was divorced from the first and that was the information I don't think she could have found I think I feel like maybe she just locked into that I also wanted to mention also Jimma has mentioned being scammed by this. 37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that we also should remember that when all this was happening, it was we took it seriously for a few reasons for the first she had not yet at least asked for money also from. 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: her telling you this all over the phone and then all of a sudden she disappears and suddenly someone is saying oh she had my phone I think it's fair to say that not only was Jim and I very confused in the beginning we also were worried that this girl was in danger as she had stressed before didn't she that the catholic church or someone was trying to get the box from her. 38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she did. 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, I forgot that. 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: She said that she had been contacted by the church and they wanted the box. 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember telling her because I wanted that box I was determined to get that box because I knew I would recognize the stuff in it. 38:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It was significant. 38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, if you want to send it COD, I will pay for it when it gets here for if you want to send it from the post office. 38:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I will reimburse you as soon as it arrives. 38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So she knew there was something in it. 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was interesting because she even mentioned that her father lived in the same town that I lived in. 38:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was after I gave her my dress. 39:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, oh, that was just there a couple of weeks ago. 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The box was in my father's shed. 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So for a long time, I was contacting everybody I could find named Kelly, Dylan, Kelly, Rhodes, Kelly, what was the other last name began with the T-Tingle? 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that her last name now? 39:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that I think unless you did not change her name, the last time she got married, it should be 39:27 [SPEAKER_02]: because she married David in 2016. 39:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think her legal name is Rose, but she goes by Tingle. 39:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, her maiden name or her Mary, that's her, she's just very name. 39:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure what her maiden name would be. 39:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be Dylan. 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure. 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So where we had I trapped down every single person and Kelly Rhodes, Kelly Dylan that I could find when the Eastern Shore and people were like, 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, no idea what you're talking about. 39:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was crazy. 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It really was. 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that it's also important to realize that not only were we so confused in the beginning, but I truly was scared that this girl was in danger. 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: because she had shared that to you in terms of the Catholic church trying to get a whole of this box and she's trying to bury the box and then all of a sudden she just disappears and the person who she called you had used her phone or it was just a whole confusing story and I think in front of just for my standpoint I was getting a little worried. 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do remember telling Jane, when I talked to you on the phone, that I was prepared at that point just to go down there and start knocking on doors and asking questions to figure out what was happening. 40:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we were all just so confused and... 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually had, I found somebody from the capers that lives in the same town that you guys live in, or nearby, and he goes to AA meetings. 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said she was going to go to every meeting she 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: and ask about Kelly the box girl in case somebody knew about her. 41:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Because at that point, I had this picture of Kelly walking around town carrying a big box with stuff in it. 41:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you make of her trying to dig up the yard? 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's your closet that you think she was digging in. 41:15 [SPEAKER_02]: When I got to the boyfriend's mom's house, she said that she had been in the back. 41:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming it was the mom, the boyfriend's mom's backyard. 41:24 [SPEAKER_02]: left and went and tried to find the shovel because nobody would give her a shovel. 41:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody thought she was being crazy and then I guess something somehow she found got a hold of a shovel and she would have been out digging up the backyard. 41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: who know, who know that at the time that I finally, I did have a, I just Skype with them because I really did not, I was worried about her too. 41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And both she and the boyfriend were one Skype. 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And from what I could tell, they were not far away from where I live. 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And something didn't feel right to me. 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And at the time, I actually looked 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: his name up and there was a warrant out for his arrest and he had left the state of Florida. 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So at that point I thought, okay, this is not healthy for anybody and I just cut everything off and didn't communicate with them again and of course blocked any phone calls or messages, but yeah, 42:27 [SPEAKER_02]: What was her side of this story? 42:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We spoke with her. 42:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I was ever privy to that. 42:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, discuss, like, what? 42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Her side of it was actually I found some of her messages on my messenger. 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And let me Jane, when was the last time you actually spoke to Kelly? 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that you've mentioned that she's content, tried contacting you, but to have you actually spoken to her since this happened? 42:52 [SPEAKER_02]: She called me, but the beginning, it was right after I had my daughter. 42:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I had this head of baby in this past October. 42:59 [SPEAKER_02]: She called me, I want to say it was like, where's the beginning of November? 43:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It was still around Halloween time. 43:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And she had called me from a restricted number, but I knew the voice, like, almost instantly. 43:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And I asked her why she was contacting me, and she sounded tearful. 43:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And she just asked me if, 43:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I would be able to help her she came forward at, and that she was really wanting to get sober. 43:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I had asked her a question, and I was kind of very short and snippet with her. 43:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, after all you've done to me, like, why would I want to help you? 43:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't even answer a single question as to why you did what you did to me. 43:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that was the very last time she has tried to contact me. 43:41 [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't give me any answers. 43:42 [SPEAKER_02]: She was just like, I guess you're not going to help me and she hung up on me. 43:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, did you say to the boys friends in prison currently for I believe so I know that he had an active warrant in Florida, then they were doing something. 43:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even sure how it started, but apparently they were trying to scam some charities, the Catholic charity services in Lake City and somehow. 44:08 [SPEAKER_02]: the police got involved then he was when they got there they found out he had a warrant and he was arrested. 44:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe he is currently in prison. 44:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's important to to realize how in depth this whole process was and just you have to think for a second that just to make sure that she could fool you into helping fool us. 44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: She went to her boyfriend's mom's house 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And in a whole separate interaction, try to talk about a box and try to get a shovel. 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that her mom, the boyfriend's mom, was realizing what was happening. 44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I actually like telling you why she witnessed. 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a huge in-depth process for a scam artist. 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It blows my mind because I know Jim McGives herself for her times sometimes when it comes to this scenario because we were scam because the story was not true, but just as you mentioned during a little earlier, like she was so in-depth with this process, even before she stole your phone that night, 45:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But is it seems like she had this whole thing playing down. 45:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So she seems like she is a very intelligent person in order to be able to get to that far in this scenario. 45:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I agree, I think it was one of those things which once she realized that I do, that she that to my contact me that why I think once she knew that I was aware of what was going on, he had to really kind of make a show of it like she had to really prove that what she was. 45:53 [SPEAKER_02]: saying at the time was true, because I don't believe that his mom was a part of it. 45:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe that she would have lied about Kelly's action for her strange behavior. 46:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Because her, the mom, genuinely, was concerned when I got there. 46:08 [SPEAKER_02]: She's been going crazy about this, but needing a shovel. 46:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So I really feel like, once, because I was trying to contact her, because that was where 46:19 [SPEAKER_02]: What is going on? 46:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me see if I can help. 46:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And then everything went really weird. 46:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's things that I'd never heard Kelly doing before I was sitting now, Kelly doing. 46:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Kelly got wind that, hey, look, this lady contact me now. 46:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm contacting you. 46:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she knew that she didn't really have an out. 46:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I did find her, but you know what this is really weird because last night I found all of the messages that she and I had exchanged. 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, I don't know what she's talking about. 46:49 [SPEAKER_01]: people are they're crazy and they're not my friends and it was just like just lashing out. 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was saying like I'm really sorry that's happened to you. 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay? 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Jimma, what you're saying is when you during your conversations with Kelly after we realized what had happened, she never actually confessed to you. 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have any more conversations with her after I found out what happened. 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 47:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Did he ever try to contact you after you found out what happened? 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I told you, we had that one face, kind of like we're spent conversation where they said they were like 45 minutes from where I lived and they could come over and I, that they'd be uncomfortable. 47:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So, once I just didn't respond, once I found out what was going on, I did not respond to them. 47:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do remember either she or Don reaching out to me saying, is everything okay. 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, you and Shane and the woman who lived on the West Coast. 47:57 [SPEAKER_01]: had with the pieces together so that I knew it was better not to respond and to just block them. 48:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I do remember her telling another neutral friend when all this was going on because I was just like, so dumbfounded, I'm like, that he was gonna be on. 48:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it was brought up to her about going on Shane's podcast. 48:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But I know that he had told people that he was gonna be on this podcast and he was telling people that they need to come and listen and check it out. 48:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think that she thought she was getting 48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: some kind of fame out of it, probably what she thought. 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember, I can't believe I can't find the messages. 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I just had him last night, nobody's going to believe I'm looking in my messages for her under her name and I'm not finding it. 48:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll probably find it as soon as we hang up, but they were somehow archived and, yeah, saying if I find them I'll add it later to the podcast, 48:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This is crazy. 48:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that kind of person. 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on. 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do this. 49:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can trust me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 49:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I 49:11 [SPEAKER_01]: really curious about whether or not there was ever a box. 49:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The girl that finally called me and said, I don't want you to tell you I am. 49:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you're not going to have my number traced and I think she did the call blocking thing. 49:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, I said, no, I just am glad that you told you the truth. 49:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all that we care about. 49:31 [SPEAKER_01]: She said, I know this got out of hand. 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who this person was. 49:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I almost think she just felt guilty and afraid and decided that she better tell the truth. 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So at that point, I reintroduced myself to you and told you that I had heard from her and that was the end of it. 49:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just connected from Kelly and the boyfriend right away. 49:54 [SPEAKER_02]: The whole situation just seemed to me like it was just 49:58 [SPEAKER_02]: who was always very lifetime, movie-ish, oh, it was so many theatres said, that's the story line from her, because what wasn't she supposedly in South Carolina, had simply, yes, and she didn't have a ride, and she was hitchhiking with the back. 50:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And that somebody in New Orleans went to North Carolina to get her to bring her the rush to the way, and if my word, memory serves me correctly, I believe. 50:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And that kind of how I knew like Kelly was lying is because she said Scott was coming to get her. 50:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I remember that is I remember that telling me that Scott was going to come to South Carolina and Scott was going to get her. 50:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how I knew instantly that she was lying because. 50:45 [SPEAKER_02]: got with another have drove from Maryland to South Carolina to get her. 50:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I guess I'm going to ask you Jane, is there anything that you would like the listeners to know or anything that you would like to actually say to any of the people that set you up. 51:01 [SPEAKER_01]: because this is your ball game and we don't censor what people say on our podcast. 51:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I've allowed myself to be very angry about the situation for a very long time because I felt and I have maintained throughout all of this. 51:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I've always felt that maybe you've been saying everybody doubted me a little bit and always like it's always been the back of people's heads that maybe she had something to do with it and because of me feeling that way I've allowed myself to be very 51:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was very angry, and I know at times us extremely nasty towards you, Gemma. 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Just because I just, I didn't know anything about it. 51:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just want people to know that I generally am sorry for being nasty to you. 51:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't because I wasn't, not because I didn't care. 51:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, because I was just not my problem. 51:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm being forced to deal with some meals as problem. 51:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Gemma is one of FEMA's strongest 51:58 [SPEAKER_02]: build up this whole situation. 52:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what makes people do hateful evil things, but it really has. 52:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It's affected me in a lot of ways. 52:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I just, I hold a lot of anger towards it and Kelly knows what Kelly did and whoever else was involved with it, they know what part they paid and you affected people's lives. 52:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the scariest part about is that you affect the people's lives. 52:26 [SPEAKER_02]: You made people go on a wild spot for something that doesn't exist or maybe doesn't exist. 52:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody really knows. 52:35 [SPEAKER_02]: There was never really any clarification or answer is really different. 52:38 [SPEAKER_02]: and just shame on you. 52:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I could cry because I'm really pissed off now just talking about it to me off, but I just shame on you for what you did. 52:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really hope Kelly is listening, but I hope Kelly wherever she is now, I hope the guilt hits her. 52:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope one day that you can apologize. 52:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Not to me, not even just to me, but to everybody who was involved because people were up all night looking up thing. 53:03 [SPEAKER_02]: People were worried about you, about Kelly who were affected a lot of people's lives. 53:08 [SPEAKER_02]: whether you realize it or not, he affected so many people because of one line. 53:13 [SPEAKER_02]: She knows what she did. 53:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a long time since it happened. 53:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But in the course of the long time that happened, I've had to change my full number. 53:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to get a restraining order against the boyfriend. 53:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I have had to do a lot of things. 53:26 [SPEAKER_02]: because of her acting and the actions of whoever decided that was going to act with her. 53:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a big deal. 53:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what she expected to come of it, as she thought that she could just leave the situation and she didn't have to deal with it. 53:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But something should be in place to protect 53:41 [SPEAKER_02]: people from people like her. 53:42 [SPEAKER_02]: She did try to scam people. 53:45 [SPEAKER_02]: She made up us situation that I don't leave a box really exist and I think I told you that before that I just don't think it exists because knowing Kelly being the narcissist that she is, that box would have existed. 53:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody would have known about it and everybody would have known that she was the one who found it and turned it in. 54:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I know you say you get a lot of false information or people just saying 54:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Once he started responding back to her that you were interested, and she kept it going. 54:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. 54:18 [SPEAKER_01]: When a person will know Jane, I just want you to know how much I appreciate you. 54:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so glad that we've become friends. 54:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think your courage and your integrity is speaking loud and clear. 54:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that Kelly, 54:37 [SPEAKER_01]: had a group of people working with her. 54:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that everybody's learned something from this, but I just want to apologize to you for the aggravation you went through because of what happened. 54:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that we were able to get a fresh start. 54:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to mention this, I've worked several cold cases and missing person cases. 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the reasons why I was loving the idea of having you on for this episode and further sharing the entire Cali the Box Girl experience, Gemma and I have mentioned several times to each other and other people. 55:15 [SPEAKER_00]: that this would make a perfect movie. 55:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not for entertainment purposes from out perspective before awareness. 55:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I say that because having worked several court cases and missing people cases, scams happen a lot. 55:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so scary. 55:35 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, there was a missing person case that I worked on prior to working on the podcast. 55:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It was on a girl who had recently gone missing. 55:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And the family members were so desperate to find her. 55:49 [SPEAKER_00]: They would get contacted by the scam artist. 55:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It would create photos and images on we have her. 55:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you pay us right now, we will release her. 56:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't pay within an hour, she's dead. 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And just to pray on people who are so wanting to find their loved ones or so wanting to find justice or in Gemma's case to find out what happened to her teacher just so heartbreaking and this whole experience allows people to realize the huge problem that it is. 56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And all Kelly lied to us. 56:27 [SPEAKER_00]: All she wasted was our time. 56:29 [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't waste our money. 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: but Jane, I think, in this scenario, you were the true victim here, because what you tried to do was an act of kindness. 56:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You tried to help her, you tried to do something, and that's an insult, you shouldn't be afraid for that, because that was so kind and so ice of you to do, 56:51 [SPEAKER_00]: and look what it got you. 56:53 [SPEAKER_00]: She tried to use your name to scam other people, hoping that it would fall back on you because of an act of kindness that you had. 57:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know just from this experience that this had to have been so frustrating and you have a right to be angry and I think if Kelly does listen to this or if anyone listens who knows Kelly, she is a coward because she has not apologized not to us, I don't care if she reached out to me and apologized whatsoever. 57:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But she owes an apology to you and so do the other people who participated because they did out of an act of kindness that you did work, Kelly. 57:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that until those people and Kelly admit and admit it to what they did admit that it was wrong and apologize for wasting your time in your name and all of this, there 58:09 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 58:40 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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