0:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 0:28 [SPEAKER_04]: another question that came up and I thought that maybe we could discuss this and clear it up if it's not true or accurate. 0:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Did Jean say in the keepers the Kathy confided in brother Bob out the abuse? 0:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Does anyone know who brother Bob is yet? 0:44 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I feel so stupid because I've seen it a million times and I can't remember if she 0:56 [SPEAKER_03]: reference to Kathy, confiding in brother Bob and brother Bob telling Jean that she had, what do you remember? 1:07 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you people remember? 1:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you think that you and I would remember this part. 1:13 [SPEAKER_04]: The only reference that I remember it's been a while is I remember 1:19 [SPEAKER_04]: that brother Bob had told Jean that she was the reason. 1:24 [SPEAKER_04]: The Kathy was dead. 1:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So that was the only thing that I can remember. 1:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we can find that out and update this if we find it to be true. 1:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't remember that. 1:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember brother Bob saying, I killed that non with a pipe. 1:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember that? 1:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think so. 1:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, if we need a little one to get we know listeners are going to be able to find it like by the time we finish talking about it. 1:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's what episode and how many minutes in the other oh boy, we're now back to brother Bob, okay, folks, they are like it doesn't Roberts and Bobby's in this whole story. 2:11 [SPEAKER_03]: The only person who ever heard the man referred to as brother bob was Jean and Joseph Maskel talked about brother bob. 2:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So, the only person who is ever going to be able to confirm the identity of brother Bob is Jean. 2:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, Jean is a very private person. 2:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's for her own safety and a lot of other people, and she does not want to be pestered about this question. 2:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So it is totally up to Gene. 2:52 [SPEAKER_03]: She may have already figured out who he was, remember who he was, and already shared it with the police. 3:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I do know that she does share any memories that she has with law enforcement, and there are certain people that she has contacted in order to do that. 3:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I have, we all have our own suppositions and theories about who brother Bob is, but nobody ever referred to him as brother Bob except when Moscow was talking to Jean so some of the Bob's 3:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh boy, Lent, he was a brother, religious brother at the boy's school, Cardinal Gibbons. 3:36 [SPEAKER_03]: There was another one named Lackfordy who was an abuser, priest, retired, I think. 3:43 [SPEAKER_03]: from Mount St. Joe Bobby Thompson was a friend of Edgar's who lived a couple miles down from Carriage House Apartments and was Edgar's neighbor. 3:55 [SPEAKER_03]: There was Bobby Schmidt, who was one of the Schmidt brothers. 4:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody even said, what about 4:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Kathy's brother-in-law, Bob, Maryland husband, I'm like, oh, please don't even go there. 4:09 [SPEAKER_03]: That man is like a saint. 4:12 [SPEAKER_03]: He's not brother-in-law. 4:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of people have talked about Robert Hawkins. 4:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Hawkins was a priest at St. Rita's in Baltimore. 4:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he was brother-in-law. 4:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he was violent or had that kind of demeanor. 4:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Jean remembers, I think, you know, 4:32 [SPEAKER_03]: being probably more scared of that person. 4:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And she was at Maskel. 4:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Hawkins actually, after the Holy Cross cemetery dig, he took Maskel into his parish. 4:46 [SPEAKER_03]: He letting hang out there for a while. 4:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you heard of other bobs, Shane. 4:51 [SPEAKER_04]: think every day on Facebook or someone has a theory on brother Bob and if someone's going through old articles seem like there's always a question on could Bob have been even his real name and could this have been him? 5:05 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think the main takeaway is that these are Gene's memories and I have four confidence in her in knowing her limit on what she shares publicly. 5:19 [SPEAKER_04]: So, I think that in all circumstances, if Gene remembers who brother Bob is or can identify him, that information is more important to go to the police than I think it would be to tell us. 5:34 [SPEAKER_04]: The next question that we were saying is, do you think the other murders in that time frame 5:44 [SPEAKER_03]: there are six. 5:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I have too many shades of gray on this one. 5:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Do I, I pretty much, okay, I do think Kathy's was connected with Joyce. 5:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And boy, we've talked about that a lot. 5:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Joyce knew Moscow. 5:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Joyce went to St. Clements. 6:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Joyce was not a Kio. 6:03 [SPEAKER_03]: She was older than the Kio student. 6:05 [SPEAKER_03]: She was 21. 6:07 [SPEAKER_03]: But from what her brothers told us, it is possible she told Moscow to stay away from her younger sister. 6:15 [SPEAKER_03]: threatened to kill him, and I don't think he liked to hear that. 6:18 [SPEAKER_03]: The other murders are in order, Grace Montana. 6:24 [SPEAKER_03]: She was abducted, and my feeling is she was, the intention was to traffic her as a prostitute, as some of the other girls were, and that she fought back, and they didn't like that. 6:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you a smash burger king, creating those crispy edges in the intense beefy flavor that puts fast food to shame, thanks to Omaha's stakes I never have to worry about, whether I have high quality proteins on hand, and they have so many options hand-crafted stakes convenient comfort meals, and it's always excellent. 7:03 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if somebody contacts me and said they're relative, I do follow up when that Pam was found, strangled. 9:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Her car was left open and she was found when the median strip, 9:16 [SPEAKER_03]: in an around account of a highway that was under construction that regular people would not have had access to you could get on to the highway, but it wouldn't be something that would be trapped in traversed a lot the other two are Heather Porter and Danny Kerr chatty. 9:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Heather was from landstown. 9:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And I've just this week talked to one of her best friends. 9:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I've not talked to anybody in her family. 9:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Heather was, I hear she was a wonderful person, but she did get in trouble at school. 9:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think anything major, but she was having issues, family issues. 9:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she met with her dad. 9:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And finally, she ended up living at a place called, 10:02 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a residence for girls who were having problems. 10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And oh, I feel so stupid for not remembering it. 10:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll remember it and it'll come back. 10:13 [SPEAKER_03]: The house of the good shepherd, that's what it was. 10:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And she lived there. 10:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's my understanding that she ran away and was abducted. 10:23 [SPEAKER_03]: She was found 40 minutes from there around the Baltimore 10:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, she's a cold case. 10:33 [SPEAKER_03]: The last one that we know about was a boy, Danny Perchetti. 10:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Danny was from our Lady of Victory Parish, which was also one where Joseph Maskel was assigned for a while. 10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Danny was found near stream behind that parish property. 10:54 [SPEAKER_03]: We've heard a lot of stories about what happened to him, but talking to his relatives or one of his relatives, I don't believe they've ever been given. 11:05 [SPEAKER_03]: and accurate account of what happened to him and why. 11:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't heard from one of the police officers that is from Baltimore County that the police also believe that it's passed. 11:19 [SPEAKER_03]: There are some elements in these murders that indicate that they are connected. 11:27 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think, Shane? 11:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that there was such a huge sexual and pedophile ring going on. 11:34 [SPEAKER_04]: in that area of Baltimore. 11:35 [SPEAKER_04]: So any young email, even a mail, because we know that it wasn't just females that were being abused. 11:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Anytime one of those goes missing, I can't bring myself to think outside the realm of how large this freedom was. 11:52 [SPEAKER_04]: into the extent of their terror and what they would do. 11:56 [SPEAKER_04]: If you think about most of the survivors who we've spoken to on the podcast, when they talk about their stories, all of them had families and stuff. 12:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And so if they were to disappear, that caused a lot of reactions to happen. 12:13 [SPEAKER_04]: But when you have someone in these other circumstances who their cases seem to like they could have been 12:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they go missing and they get murdered. 12:25 [SPEAKER_04]: It just a lot of questions come up because it is such a huge sexual pride of pedophile ring that's going on. 12:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I think also once the capers was released and these other murderers were spotlighted, I think it was very difficult for all six families to be in the spotlight again after so many years, 40 to 50 years from the family members that have contacted me and that I've talked to, they really prefer not to be in the spotlight. 12:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to ask that the listeners, please don't bother these families because every time something's in the newspaper about 13:01 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the keepers, then every, they get reporters calling, they get the TV stations calling, wanting a statement. 13:09 [SPEAKER_03]: they just don't want to hear anything but the truth and that's not why reporters are calling. 13:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess if you have information about any of the martyrs that needs to go to the police, if you private message it to Shayne or I, we can tell you which jurisdiction, but you would be the one that would need to make that call. 13:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I have been able to share some information with Anna Rondo County about him, Connures that was given to me and that officer, I just left it on an anonymous tip line, a not anonymous, I left my name and the officer called me back. 13:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I gave the officer the information, it was no big deal, she thanked me. 13:53 [SPEAKER_03]: But I did ask her if the jurisdictions talk to each other. 13:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And she said absolutely. 13:59 [SPEAKER_03]: So she talked to Robin Teele and they already had some of this information, but it made me feel good to know that these police officers are still doing the job of trying to figure out what happened to these young people. 14:15 [SPEAKER_04]: to my after all all of our episodes that we've done based on MK Ultra, what are your thoughts after looking into it? 14:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I know I keep saying yes, I think that I do. 14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that mascal was using the same mind control techniques that the CIA was using in the MK Ultra project number one. 14:39 [SPEAKER_03]: We know that 14:41 [SPEAKER_03]: William Urban, who was the psychiatrist, one loan to the archdiocese, had access to some of the tests that Maspa was giving, but he was not authorized to give, and I spoke to Dr. Urban who strangely enough said he was expecting my call. 15:05 [SPEAKER_03]: but that he knew nothing and that of course if he knew anything he would have to report it. 15:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't believe any of that and now he's he didn't die because of that phone call. 15:14 [SPEAKER_03]: But he died last year so we'll never know. 15:16 [SPEAKER_03]: We know from Lynn Sherman who was one of our guests that Christian Richter. 15:24 [SPEAKER_03]: was an MK Ultra handler and lens information was confirmed when I was able to talk to the office manager from Richter's Towson office, not the office manager, one of the former nurses. 15:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And she confirmed that he did have a black box that then described perfectly that was used to measure brain waves or electrodes. 15:56 [SPEAKER_03]: There's too many coincidences. 15:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I also know that one of the MK ultra doctors at Hopkins, who was involved in the program was. 16:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Paul McQ, and Paul McQ is the guy that was creating the whole scenario around false memories and drone. 16:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And he testified, gave a deposition during the doro case, that 16:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Jane and Teresa were suffering from false memories syndrome and as many of the listeners know just within the last few weeks after almost 30 years false memories syndrome has been thrown out the window it is something that was made up and it's not based on science and so the memories that the survivors have had are authentic. 16:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And because of McCue's connection with MK Ultra, I even discussed with Jean, she shared with me that she thought maybe it was a conflict of interest because he was testifying against them. 17:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was part of the MK Ultra program at Hopkins. 17:12 [SPEAKER_03]: So do think that there's enough evidence that at least some of these girls, 17:18 [SPEAKER_03]: were used as guinea pigs, gene believes that she was, to receive believes that she was, and Donna believes that she was, and I find all three of them credible. 17:30 [SPEAKER_03]: What are your thoughts, Shane? 17:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I have no doubt that this was happening in this area of Maryland, there's enough evidence out there. 17:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's just a question on what's maschooling to this. 17:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And I do believe Lenin, and I believe that Richter was a handler. 17:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And when I think about the type of people that this program would look for, I could 18:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And in my head, the only question I have is did the CIA know about this huge pedophile ring that he had or did they not know, and maybe later found out. 18:16 [SPEAKER_04]: From thinking about the abuse, we have priests being involved. 18:22 [SPEAKER_04]: We have police officers being involved. 18:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And then there's this whole thing with the MK Ultra program in the CIA. 18:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think at any point in time, 18:37 [SPEAKER_04]: how perfect is it that he could have a government program sitting in county police officers and the archdiocese all under his reign because of massacre went down he could have brought all of them down with him and that's ultimately in my mind the perfect scenario for a pedophile predator. 19:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So I do believe that Math School was likely involved with this program, just as I believe, priests and police officers were involved in the abuse. 19:12 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think he had the perfect setup to where it protected him and ensure that he didn't go down. 19:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And ultimately, he didn't. 19:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Even when countless people were coming towards him with accusations in the 90s, he still didn't go down. 19:26 [SPEAKER_03]: He always slipped by, didn't it? 19:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's some of the legacy of the MK Ultra Project in terms of the CIA is that they were intentionally using young people, even very young children, as possible careers. 19:41 [SPEAKER_03]: between different countries to be able to carry information and then to come back and not even know that they had done it. 19:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And Lynn talked to us about that that when she was a young child, I think she said she say seven or eight. 19:58 [SPEAKER_03]: That when she was taken to where there were NASA scientists and doctors and politicians like in a medical arena that she felt like that many of them were pedophiles and that this was a perfect cover for them. 20:18 [SPEAKER_03]: The expert in the MK Ultra project talked about some files that had to do with the finances were salvaged, and so that's how they're finding out about some of this, but it was a it is a black mark. 20:35 [SPEAKER_03]: in our government history that children were being used to sex slaves, to ear information, to prepare them, to career information between different countries. 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Looking for a fun way to take a break during your day, solitary clash that CLASH takes classic solitary and gives it a whole new twist. 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fast, skill-based, and packed with exciting features that keep every round feeling fresh. 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: In those in-between moments waiting for a ride between tasks or just needing a breather, Solitaire Clash makes it easy to relax, refocus, and have 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population to put with that man. 22:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I first was told it was part of Catholic charities, and then I was told it was part of the St. Vincent to Paul worth an inch. 22:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I also was told that there were some high school students from either Towson Catholic High School or 22:31 [SPEAKER_03]: a high school called the Catholic High School, both in Baltimore, and that these high school students were assigned to him as like a work study program to do filing and clerical work for him. 22:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And that because he was so creepy, they left. 22:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I have not been able to find evidence of any of that. 22:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So of course, in my naive head, I wrote to the Archdiocese and asked if they had any information. 23:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote to Sean Kane, who is a director of communications. 23:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And I wrote to David Kingkov, who's one of the Archdiocese and attorneys, and instead of responding to me, they turned my email over to a woman named Jerry Burkehart, who is the representative for child protective services and the Archdiocese. 23:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I've met her. 23:28 [SPEAKER_03]: very nice lady, but I met her at the mediation table for one of the Kios survivors who had no one to go with her. 23:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So of course it raised a big ruckus when I arrived because they didn't want me in there with her, but she said, Gemma's my person today. 23:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought it's notable that the table where this mediation happens as a large rectangular conference table. 23:54 [SPEAKER_03]: and the survivor and their persons sit on one side of the table with their attorney. 24:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And on the other side, Jerry Burkehart sat between the Archdiocesan attorneys. 24:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I don't know about you, but I was intimidated. 24:15 [SPEAKER_03]: She's supposed to be the advocate for this survivor, and it was not at all evident that she was anybody's advocate. 24:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So she wrote back to me, and all of this has been one, the out of the shadows page, and the keepers page, and also the page called, who killed sister Kathy, 24:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And her response was, we have no evidence of any student interns, and we have no records that any children were evaluated by Joseph Maskel. 24:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course they know because it's probably all gone. 24:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't stop there for next paragraph was part of a form letter that gave me instructions about how to report sexual abuse. 25:04 [SPEAKER_03]: to the archdiocese. 25:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I can feel my blood pressure going up right now because you know what, that's a lasting in the world I would do. 25:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I would call 911, if my child or somebody in my family was infused by a priest and that law enforcement handle it. 25:20 [SPEAKER_03]: So most of the letter was formed, letter, and then thank you very much, blah, blah, blah. 25:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't like that. 25:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I took a rope back, 25:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And I included the gentleman again, and I said, turned my letter over to Jerry, so I'm including you in this. 25:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And I gave them more information about how I felt and how we all feel and met 150,000 people were all wide or waiting for some answers. 25:48 [SPEAKER_03]: The pages that we're on 26:02 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching 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