0:08 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're trying to be a thoughtful, reasonable, fair-minded logical person, whatever 0:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The powerful evidence for the event of the nun's death took place in the apart. 0:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The body was then moved to the first of Seville, drunk yard or garbage dump until it's somehow ended up as you can land down at the garbage dump there. 0:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this strange story of in our due to, I think it was the local precinct to the Voldemort County Police. 1:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And the caller says, I'm a hunter and I'm up here with that. 1:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We just came meet my son or hunting and this woman's body under in the lands down garbage dump. 1:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know who takes that call? 1:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You know who answers that call and says, boys, we got to run over there right out of the lands down garbage dump. 1:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a problem over there. 1:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We got a dead woman over there. 1:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That is, officers can now put all of that together and then the guy's making the call. 1:35 [SPEAKER_01]: to explain why there's this body, which is floating around for about two months in the most bizarre set of circumstances here by knowledge and why they felt they had to keep that body available at all times, but the best explanation is crazy as hell, but you hear often I've heard in my travels. 1:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Nashville was using it frequently to 2:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He would show them the body if any would say you like this. 2:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You want that to happen to you? 2:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That thing to happen to people who talk out of turn. 2:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And it still doesn't add up to me. 2:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Why if they were in command of the body from the beginning, do they have this sudden need to make the body appear? 2:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it can now cause in, and it says, I got a body over here, you've got a command. 2:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And he calls rumor. 2:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And his homestead squad, rumor coming 2:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, in the morning, in January, when the body is found, what's that? 2:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You got a body of, and what did you look like? 2:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, boys, jump in the trees. 2:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go. 2:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And he told me, point blank. 2:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I walked in there and that really said woman line on her. 2:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And the garbage stuff. 2:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was your purse. 2:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Line a few feet from her left foot. 2:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked in there, and I saw a prescription bottle on it. 2:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And he told me, and I cried out loud, hello, sister-tastic, we found your Atlanta. 3:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If you put all of that together, this idea that he was driving home from the shopping center and some maniacs on the street, Hitler over a jump in the car, took her somewhere near the ranch down and in the junkyard there, rector, and then knew what he done on my daughter's capital crime. 3:28 [SPEAKER_01]: left it there and then ran home or took a bus home and so on. 3:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Looted for us is the only word I have. 3:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Looted for us now. 3:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Combined that with what we talked about at the start of our discussion tonight. 3:43 [SPEAKER_01]: If the I first tells me, we never worked on it. 3:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was single piece of paper. 3:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So don't you have a rental counting. 3:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Then later they tell us, I actually would have worked on it. 3:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, let's run. 3:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But we do have six thousand pages. 3:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've also gone back now four times to build everybody over and over again of what it all is. 4:02 [SPEAKER_01]: With that together with the sequence of events that I think I have accurately laid out for you. 4:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And you'll see why I believe there's this looted person 4:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There can be no chance that she's adopted by at praise, teaching, teaching, teaching on the streets of the Baltimore. 4:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I have some interesting information that we've got. 4:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They're publicly, all right, so prepare yourself, are you ready? 4:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just sitting on the cash, they're ripping the issue, go ahead. 4:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We have obtained the city's missing persons report for Kathy. 4:34 [SPEAKER_00]: On the report, it has all of the times the things were happening. 4:38 [SPEAKER_00]: which is going to be very surprising, and this is what it says. 4:42 [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that things that it tells us. 4:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We know the Kathy Left Her apartment, a 730 EM, which also matches with the time, the Sharon Bush tells us that she believed the Kathy Left Her apartment. 4:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Something very interesting is the police documented after interviewing people on the neighborhood that Kathy's car was seen by neighbors, 5:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Parked at that position by 10 30 p.m. Now, that was independently written in this report by several neighbors. 5:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They asked them, hey, did you see this car out there? 5:22 [SPEAKER_00]: People were like, yeah, and so it seemed as a collective. 5:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The car was there, parked where it was found at 10 30 p.m. 5:33 [SPEAKER_00]: While I was at the Carrot House apartment, over the summer, I was able to see the corner Kathy's car was found at, which was on Lantern Quark, to clear up a common misunderstanding, the car was not sticking out into North Bend Road. 5:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Back in 1969, the entrance to the apartments from North Bend Road was still usable, allowing 6:01 [SPEAKER_00]: walk up the old concrete walkway and enter directly next to Kathy and Russell's door. 6:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Standing outside their apartment door. 6:11 [SPEAKER_00]: At these car would not have been visible. 6:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Nor did they have windows in their apartment. 6:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They could have seen it. 6:18 [SPEAKER_00]: However, anyone walking out of the now blocked entrance would have had a direct view of Kathy's car. 6:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Lantern Quart is directly across from the entrance to the parking lot Kathy used. 6:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyone standing or parked at the beginning of the parking lot, which is where Kathy's parking spot was, but also have a view of Kathy's car on Lantern Quart. 6:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Today there's only one entrance into this parking lot, which is from North Bend Road. 6:51 [SPEAKER_00]: However, 6:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Back in 1969, I'm told there was another entrance, from a smaller street, called Boswell Road. 7:00 [SPEAKER_00]: According to the missing person's report, Kathy's car was spotted at the corner of the Lantern Court, as early as 1030 pm. 7:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The questions still stand. 7:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If these neighbors are correct, and the car was there at 1030, why did no one see the car 7:20 [SPEAKER_00]: For a long time, I will admit that I questioned why Russell Pete and Jerry wouldn't go looking for Kathy. 7:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe her car broke down, maybe she wrecked in her car was in a ditch. 7:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Why weren't they looking for her? 7:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Tom's opinion seems to be that they knew where she was, which is why they weren't looking. 7:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to caution you, however, not everyone reacts the same in these situations. 7:49 [SPEAKER_00]: no one ever thinks that this would happen to them or someone that they know, that they disappear, never return home. 7:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to imagine for a moment what you might do, suddenly you are thrown into the same scenario but recognize that we all react differently. 8:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The police did not see the car when they arrived to do the missing persons report, 8:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The report tells us that two officers came to the scene after they were called 1135 p.m. is when the police were called according to this report. 8:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So in the police arrived, they also do not see Kathy's car. 8:32 [SPEAKER_00]: If the neighbors are correct that it's there by 1030, and many, this is not just one or two, this is several neighbors are saying that they saw the car there at 1030. 8:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Please leave in your correct, when Sharon says she returns the next morning, Pete and too are still at the apartment, so they must have stayed there overnight. 8:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We also learned that Pete found Kathy's car at 3 o'clock a.m., and the report also does reflect what you just mentioned, how he opened it, and they looked into it. 9:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that there was mud on the tires of the car, and there was that really weird grass that was found in the car on the steering knob, which is very weird, because if you looked at that model of car, I don't really see how that could have gotten there. 9:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So this report tells us a lot of things because a lot of people are not seeing Kathy's car. 9:34 [SPEAKER_00]: When many of the neighbors are saying it was there at 1030, if you're a serious correct, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. 9:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That would mean the sister Russell would have known what was happening, because she said she was at the apartment the entire time. 9:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to be the devil's advocate, maybe she did know and she was scared to death and went along with it because she would scared to know. 9:57 [SPEAKER_00]: However, if you're correct in your theory 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: coming up with a gameplay of how to make this work, then that also falls in line with the time that Sharon says she gets a phone call from Russell, asking her if she saw Kathy. 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I Sharon said, her phone call was around 10 o'clock here. 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: On an hour and a half later is when they end up 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So if your theory is correct, just to be the devil's advocate here to discuss this theory of yours, I could see someone calling Sharon to set up this pre-conceived idea that Kathy never returned home, and they're not sure where she's at. 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Shannon, let me jump in please for just a moment. 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not forget. 11:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It may only be an intuitive flash of my part and meaningless, but I was deeply struck when I came upon, I think it was an article in the last few years in the Voldemort Sun, and it reported that the last public, in the last public living statement by sister Russell, she said, I don't know why it was there at the car, 11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: who ever put that car in there wanted it to be found. 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: To be clear, I personally do not believe that Russell was involved in covering up Kathy's disappearance. 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: According to those who knew Russell, she seemed to not have been the kind of person who will go along with it and never come forward. 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: also. 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If Russell, Jerry, and Pete were all three involved in covering up what happened to Kathy, find it highly unlikely. 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Because with time, people start to talk. 12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The more people involved, 12:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The last likely this secret will stay a secret. 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: There is no physical evidence that would show that Kathy was killed in the apartment. 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Nor was there evidence reported of a struggle. 12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of opinion, Russell, Jerry, and Pete were only involved 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The missing person's report is very detailed about this. 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It talks about how the letter is picked up, how they received it in their possession that it was not opened when they received it. 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Here I am referring to the letter, the Kathy sister received in the mail. 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: From Kathy, after Kathy disappeared. 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Oddly enough, it does not say what is on the letter to clarify the report only calls it a letter once. 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: All other mentions refers to it as the envelope. 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And they also go into detail about how they try to find what they and time, happy males the letter. 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're able to do a little 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is interesting. 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They believe the Kathy sent the letter either the day before she goes missing. 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But more likely she sends the letter, the day she goes missing. 13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems that, 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Earlier in the day is when she sends the letter out to her sister and she actually she doesn't send it from the apartment. 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: She drops it into one of the post office mailbox unit thing, the big booth which is very interesting. 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: She sends a letter not a card to her sister these detectives talk about how it's picked up and how it's entered evidence. 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But at a no point in time in the missing person's report, is it talk about what is on the letter, which is very, that's like that we're just worth on to me. 14:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We talk about Jerry Pube and all of those details behind it. 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: How well do you feel like Jerry Pube? 14:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Hardly at all. 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We had two interviews. 14:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The second one was very long in the first one he asked 14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was a short discussion. 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think we talked two hours on the phone on the day of the actual interview. 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: To be honest, and maybe it's not entirely my credit, I thought I think I might have allowed some of my feelings for the time about the Jesuits to creep in. 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a great man of Jesuits who helped the poor and many do, or Jesuits who've gone to Latin America, 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: and many do. 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But as a Jesuit order for centuries was also the team of assassins that worked in the Pope and took care of political rivals and they were often described as superintelligent and among the craftiest and most unfrizzable of players in the Catholic Church for several centuries, they have a mixed reputation to save the very least. 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope I live to see 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: some sort of revelation, it really does. 15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't see anything more than I dream of the press conference where the prosecutor of Baltimore County is if some of these folks like Masterwood and Magnus were alive, we would be taking what we have now to the grand jury and seeking their indictment for either accessory and murder or murder outright. 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And though we cannot prosecute them now, 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: give a little bit of closure to people and let them know that we care about this enough to have invested in the time and energy and all of this work. 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we can't go to the grand jury but by dolly it was possible we know enough that we would. 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to happen because frankly and personally I think the link here is a very high political figure involved more and in Maryland. 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He died in 1969, I was watching television on the afternoon in October of 1973, when Spirut 10 Actors, former governor and agent Hickson's Vice President, that confronted the cameras and fled no-low contenderies on a reduced obviously bargain tax evasion charge, and was allowed to walk with probation to have to that. 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He walked, and who was he? 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He was set out to act new of Carolyn. 17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I started reading you the list of Carolyn politicians who've done time in the prison, the corruption we'd be here all night. 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was out of the fact, this is 1973. 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: She dies in 69. 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: How likely is it that if all of this is the way we say it was, that they wouldn't have covered it up. 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the no-brainer. 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're left. 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I admit to a personal safety of this, I think it's okay. 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had a good life and enjoyed my wonderful daughters and grandkids and a happy man. 17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that's the honor. 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also know I walked out of that job and a livelihood at least struggled and squetted for years to pay the bills because I didn't have a regular paycheck. 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But I told them then, I am not going to be part of this. 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: What the political machine is doing, you know how corrupt the gangsters are in this town. 18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: and people are dying every other night to get on it, elsewhere, and both more over this. 18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can do it to go home and go, stop the top on a can of 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[SPEAKER_02]: Case closed. 20:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Buy your car today. 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: On Carvana. 20:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Delivery fees, man, fly. 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: If you could further explore any part of this entire story with more time and resources, what specific detail would you further explore? 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I wish I could if I could do what I wanted and if it reached the level of priority, I have brand tickets, I have other responsibilities like Edo. 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was, let's go to Dreamland for a minute. 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the first thing I would do is, 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: begin to develop contact, go drink some beer with cops, they truck the prosecutors, try to make some friends. 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go on down to Nellie's farm grill and have a couple and gradually look for the missing link, whether at least individual, that I could get to trust me enough. 20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You could say, those of us in homicide, we've known for 40 years what the hell the deal is, 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You promised now you're never going to quote me and so on. 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be a major way I think to approach this. 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would also be, but it's an immense amount of burning shoe leather. 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: This is huge. 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But if I could, I would go back to, you know, to the people of that day, the ones that are left most of the teachers are gone. 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the exact numbers, but I assume a significant percentage of the former teachers there are dead. 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's probably some teachers left, and my guess is everybody who is on the teaching staff and the nuns and all of them had to know what was going on. 21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It might have been the kind of knowledge where you don't dare speak of it and it's always simmering beneath the surface, but you know what it is. 21:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You've heard one of the girls crying in the bathroom and you're going, what's wrong, dear? 21:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And she cries out hysterically, what happened in so forth. 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you hide that knowledge that you keep trying to work there and so on and so forth. 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would be another line of inquiry is to try to cultivate former students and above all features in the hope of doing that. 22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that Maryland, her sister is still alive, isn't she? 22:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Ranch, you know? 22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she. 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to Pittsburgh once, but I didn't have resources or time to go back, but to go back and try to become her friend and live with all of that. 22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: and gradually puzzle out of what she's saying to be very significant. 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are possible steps to take. 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you could also make some headway if you had the time and energy in setting the public written records. 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember the surprise I found when I found an old article in the Sun, in which the police speaker reporter had asked read a piece, tell me what happened that night, the sequence of events. 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: and he was up in my longest area of health bill, now I'm going to be careful here. 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably just pretty close to an hour and long drive from an app or else bill is particularly shorter, slightly shorter than that, but to suburb of north of Washington, D.C. And again, the police reported that it's somehow misunderstood and disagree. 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Likely, how do you get that wrong? 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing to prove is close to numbers. 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: and you hear haste, you've got the numbers wrong, and you've got 24, 24, that it's 22, 44. 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But how do you get wrong? 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Why was in my monastery up in Beltsville? 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And I got a call from the crew, and he told me that he was wearing the tournament. 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone, how do you, and that's not possible. 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's you, I found that just like tirelessly combing through every story written in the Washington Post, 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You find little nuggets that way and then that nugget take you to the next thing and the next thing. 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one other possible finding home. 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I never forgot dinner viewing, up the record with a former Attorney General of the State of Maryland, sitting in his living room. 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He had been a Attorney General during part of the period I mentioned, just oh shit, yeah, I don't remember what he knows. 24:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They were burning buildings somewhat. 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Were you born yesterday? 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's coming now. 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an attorney general apparel and confirming what I was saying earlier tonight about the corrupt machine that engaged in arts and all the rest of it. 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That interview was immensely helpful in learning about it, not in getting stories about it published necessarily. 24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have time for this, but we're trying to work on 9-11. 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's 50 years ago. 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And someone will walk you back to your car. 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of that. 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But everyone's still out here. 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You reached that person. 25:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You still got a friend of integrity in person about it. 25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And now you slowly nurture that relationship. 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be the approach that that we take. 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Last thing. 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: There may be some nuggets. 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There may be gold nuggets. 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Still in the public records that nobody's managed to find yet. 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: on top of the stuff, the thing you found is prolific of the report that night on the calls, this impression called came in, all of those things. 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of it though is locked. 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't despair, there's one. 25:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The keepers did a great job in many ways of bringing everybody's attention to this. 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You're doing a job the same way. 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I read the other day that 15 different attorneys general are now digging into. 25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And that a number of recently practiced many as soon are now sitting in jail cells as I speak to you in the state where attorney generals are investigating this abuse over time. 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So what we've been able to do is not only work to it, it's professionally, I think, personally speaking, by far the most rewarding and significant journalistic activity I was involved in, 26:21 [SPEAKER_01]: With the personal acceptance of living a year in the cold fields of research in here as I told you at writing about in my book, that's a couple of weeks. 26:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The death of 120 people and the destruction of an entire valley because of illegal and irresponsible mining practices that allowed a huge, cool washing impound to explode in the 1970s and build like that 16 terms. 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That was certainly a huge thing to work on over very long 30 times, but I have four daughters and now I have five grand daughters, and if the mark I can put on my tombstone is, he tried to help. 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He loved this kid. 27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's okay. 27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a happy man. 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I just have a few more things that I want to bring up. 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I learned today and I just wanted to mention it. 27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I had this random thought before I jumped onto this, all with you, that he was a private school. 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So people who attended the students, their parents had to pay tuition. 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I asked around to find out how much that tuition was and how much that would be into days though. 27:41 [SPEAKER_00]: the survivors, all the survivors that went to Kia, their parents beat about $12,000 in today's money? 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: For their kids to go through what they had to go through, which is crazy fine, just to think about the people who had to go through what they did, 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: but that their parents had a pay the various establishments that allowed that abuse to go on and that happened to create that atmosphere. 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That was like mind-boggling and I just wanted to share that really quick. 28:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I can add a note. 28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I studied over time, I went to a boy's Catholic high school myself and he was in DC area. 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And they make a lot of noise about host scholarships and we're giving and trusting and it's not really that way. 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you multiply the thousand students they have time to see a thousand dollar tuition, I can't, I failed high school algebra, I'm sorry. 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're talking in the low million. 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've done a little digging enough to know that the network of Catholic schools and universities in this great nation of ours has hidden. 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: enormous amounts as well. 29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm willing to let you in a fear sometimes that if we truly understood the level of wealth that historically and today that these that the church and these centers of learning these wonderful Catholic high schools and so on and so forth. 29:22 [SPEAKER_01]: If we know the full range of the memory they have constant ground the clock 29:30 [SPEAKER_01]: All they do, I know this for a fact, I'll spare the details. 29:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it. 29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They go and they come to work at time in the morning in the fundraising office of a Catholic high school. 29:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And the first call is to IBM and Spencer help the kids. 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Spencer, we got kids who are trying to help. 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have enough money. 29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We can give you $30,000 of which we had more, but we'll give you that. 29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they call the next corporation. 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And the next one, and they do it relentlessly all day long. 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the day, they pile up sums of money from well-intentioned thoughtful people who want to help and then they hide it in a variety of mechanisms that we do not dream about. 30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not be at all surprised to learn that the system of Catholic education along with the church is fabulously wealthy beyond our knowledge as I speak to you now. 30:23 [SPEAKER_01]: In that mode, I hope I'm not running off too much here, but I'm disillusioned by all of it. 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say at once that the world I thought was real is a good and a young man and a college kid and then making my way in life. 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: is not the world that we actually live in. 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I have just a couple more points. 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to add really quick Tom. 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But sorry, there was a new article that came out earlier this year. 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was talking about how it was uncovered how much money the Catholic Church has spilled in to the North Eastern U.S. 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: In the last eight years to fight legislation, basically to help legislation if passed would help victims of clergy abuse, seek justice. 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And that number has down on me. 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It was $10.6 million. 31:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Just the North Eastern U.S. That's crazy, especially for a religious organization. 31:33 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this
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