0:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you there? 0:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 0:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 0:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Here he is. 0:32 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 0:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness, I can't believe I'm talking to you. 0:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You may be, might as well believe it. 0:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Spitz, you're like one of my heroes of all times. 0:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I did that. 0:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's easy, but I have watched every single page. 0:51 [SPEAKER_01]: that's been televised with you. 0:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you're one that you like God to me. 0:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the God of Brian. 0:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much. 0:58 [SPEAKER_02]: That's untill your question. 1:00 [SPEAKER_01]: First question was, what are the responsibilities of a medical examiner? 1:06 [SPEAKER_02]: The medical examiner is an appointed provision by in most states, in a appointed provision by a county or a city or a state. 1:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And it requires that the medical examiner answer the conduct, the man of death, and how an injury occurred. 1:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very injury. 1:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The cause of death is simple. 1:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The man of death means whether the death was by... 1:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The death was by natural court or accident. 1:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's an opinion, of course. 1:43 [SPEAKER_02]: right and to make it possible to answer as many as possible cases as come before the medical examiner they give you an out in case you don't know or in case you can't you cannot for whatever reason make that determination so therefore there's a matter of that can or even a problem 2:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you were the medical examiner here, in Maryland, was it forgotten? 2:17 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I was not the medical examiner. 2:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a district chief medical examiner. 2:21 [SPEAKER_02]: From Maryland, I went to Michigan, in 1971, and in 1972, I think it was. 2:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I came to Michigan to Detroit to Wayne County, and here I was a chief medical examiner. 2:42 [SPEAKER_01]: and the medical examiner. 2:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, there's really no difference. 2:46 [SPEAKER_02]: The chief ran the office administratively, and in general, he's with a bunch of stuff, never with a bunch of stuff. 2:56 [SPEAKER_02]: He's with a bunch of stuff, this is all Mr. Truman. 3:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So did you handle cases for Baltimore City or the whole state? 3:06 [SPEAKER_02]: For the whole state. 3:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 3:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Maryland. 3:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a state system, and the others of the medical examiner come to under the state of Maryland. 3:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so in order to be a medical examiner, what kind of training is required for you? 3:24 [SPEAKER_02]: The training is that such protein is being got the qualification. 3:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure that in every location they have all the qualifications, but let's say the medical in Germany has all the qualifications, then he is a medical doctor, he is a, he could be a 3:59 [SPEAKER_02]: that is accredited for sex training by the American Board of Procology. 4:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Then he takes another year in an institution where he can get quarantine training, like a medically Germaner's office or a foreigner's office, and where somebody will train him, 4:28 [SPEAKER_02]: do not address forensic pathology in the curriculum. 4:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So, do you remember how old you were when you were the medical examiner here in Maryland? 4:38 [SPEAKER_02]: In Maryland, I came to Maryland in 1951. 4:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Then, oh, sorry, in 1959, I came to Maryland. 4:58 [SPEAKER_02]: of 19.36 and you'll imagine how old I am now? 5:05 [SPEAKER_01]: About 29. 5:05 [SPEAKER_01]: 29. 5:06 [SPEAKER_01]: 29? 5:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be nice. 5:11 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm 93. 5:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm 19. 5:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still working. 5:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's amazing. 5:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Shane is on the call with me. 5:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't want you to think it was just me, but I'm so excited to talk to you. 5:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't stand it. 5:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that you just just to cap these hot top things. 5:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I did. 5:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And I did that. 5:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Played a bit before I came to Michigan. 5:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I did this out to see that's great. 5:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, do you also visit the crime scene before a body is removed? 5:40 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I did keep it true. 5:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't ever see pictures, I saw the pictures in the back of an old brick building and there was a, I think there was a brick factory, there was something like that. 5:58 [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of brick through and around the art. 6:01 [SPEAKER_02]: She was there in the winter time in that in January, I think it wasn't there and no 6:12 [SPEAKER_02]: really dressed for the weather, it was knowing it was, and she was not undressed, but her clothes were pulled up above her waist, or it was above the sign, and the shirt was also in this area. 6:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The picture shows as the picture, but the young woman brought 6:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to ask you that, we are seeing the pictures as happy said one of the pictures you commented that in spite of a small fractal, there would not have been a lot of blood. 6:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you explain that? 6:56 [SPEAKER_02]: No, there was not a lot of blood, but you know what I did actually, I was amazed by that. 7:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Conjeel, it's blocked and it makes a cable. 7:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They keep type of a protein one, Dr. Reddropton. 7:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And show my opinion was, by the way, somewhere in a picture of a skull of a man that worked on the building 7:37 [SPEAKER_02]: a construction worker that did not wear a hard hat and a brick, when he was on the ground level on the street, next to the building which was being built for the universal mountain hospital, and a brick left from the crack of the King floor on his head to kill him. 8:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It hit with a corner of the brick, 8:07 [SPEAKER_02]: the corner where the fracture in his head looked like a like if you go to a very quiet body of water in you throw a stone into the water it makes like a ripple. 8:33 [SPEAKER_02]: and you have a team that is strong rock into the water and it makes structures like ripples all the way around and interestingly this game exact pattern when a pedestrian hit by an automobile and the head hit with cheese. 8:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks exactly like the pattern of 9:03 [SPEAKER_02]: and you rock balling on the water in a quiet water and drop a balloon at a rock on it and it causes that ripple just exactly like the picture where that production worker had lost it like. 9:24 [SPEAKER_02]: The bottom arch of that 9:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The lower point of the picture, the lower point of the fracture is the little area, the tiny little area, where the owner of the brick is the bone, the head of the top of the head. 9:53 [SPEAKER_00]: life can get overwhelming, and talking to someone can make all the difference. 9:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode, make starting therapy simple. 10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Complete a short questionnaire and you'll be matched with a licensed therapist, and as little as a couple of days, you can connect by message, phone, or video, from wherever you feel comfortable. 10:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And if the first therapist 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Better help include a journal for personal reflection and daily group sessions on a variety of topics and they accept each essay and FSA cards. 10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: with over 2,000,000 users, and a 4. star rating on trust pilot, better help is a trusted platform for a accessible mental health care. 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If you think you could benefit from therapy, visit betterhelp.com, choose our podcast during sign-up, and get 10% off your first month. 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Taking care of your mental health is a sign of strength. 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Start your journey today. 11:01 [SPEAKER_02]: in that little tiny area, in the very bottom of the fracture, the cement of the fracture made of cement or porcelain or something like that. 11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And there was sand from that dry little piece of brick that broken off and stayed in the fracture. 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: ripples all the way to the outermost and that is like kicked up diagonal 8 of those ractures ripples all the way around and we the sister that died 11:46 [SPEAKER_02]: that we are in the outshot of that building in the suburban Baltimore church was just exactly like originally for just exactly that the pressure of the in the head of that construction worker. 12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But when the body decomposes with time because she was out there for a while, 12:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Very interesting. 12:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine how that happens? 12:21 [SPEAKER_02]: There is some tissue there. 12:24 [SPEAKER_02]: In whatever it was that was on her body. 12:30 [SPEAKER_02]: the bone cells include this type because when this type they had well handled and that's all in this. 12:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll move all types of movement maybe it requires the pressure to drop into the interior of the skull so that when I bought the body the pieces were largely in the inside and what don't 12:58 [SPEAKER_02]: by handling the body to the medically threatened as well. 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You could be a head fractal, but the skin would not have to be broken. 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It could still fracture underneath. 13:10 [SPEAKER_02]: When you look at the fracture of the construction worker, you will see that those fractures are actually used. 13:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Once you're discharged, it's on the inside that holds the bone many times. 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But in this time, they decomposed as well, show the eventually those decent old bones because they're going to be in Syria. 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where they were going to go. 13:39 [SPEAKER_02]: My couldn't take them them out. 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And rearranged them and glued them back, but I didn't do that. 13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We have heard that two men who were possibly the perpetrators return home that night, covered in blood. 13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: How would we explain that? 13:56 [SPEAKER_02]: There would have been no bleeding to the outside. 14:00 [SPEAKER_02]: There would have been bleeding to the inside because the piece of the bone were all pushed inward and it could have been that she continued breathing for a while and because the brain needs to be a heart and it's own blood that causes it to beat. 14:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And he, she would have continued breathing for a number of minutes and spewed blood droplets all over, picked the droplets. 14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And if the body was handled, it might have even been blood coming out of the nose, coming out of the mouth in the presence of breathing. 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: The actual impact. 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: may not have made a hole, because I tried that, I tried that on human skin, on another style, on a scholar with skin, and I hit it with a brick, with a corner of a brick, and there was no penetration, because the skin is elastic, and it goes with the blow. 15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 15:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember if I put down anything about, did I put, did I examine the neck and throat that they were the freckles that I would put? 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to ask you about that. 15:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And every chance that you was trying to do well. 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So the crown, the horn of one of the highwoods, one of them was broken off. 15:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The highwood bone is really pretty bone. 15:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not very steady, not very strong, it's extreme, and it's extreme, and especially the horn. 15:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got two horns. 15:41 [SPEAKER_02]: There, so one on each side. 15:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So when the neck is handled, when the neck is grabbed, when the neck is compressed, and when the person is strangled, there are many times there is a lecture of the hired boat of the horn of the hired boat. 15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And at one of them, at some time, both. 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And when that goes, when that is involved, when they come to the point that or during strangers, like the person dies eventually, is the first translation by hand, or by the dude, is the person is the reason that continues and not, it just continues. 16:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Make them pure blood. 16:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Why? 16:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the depth is an aspect of depth and meaning that whamlaco teaching whamlaco air to breathe. 16:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And conchiquant blood is viewed with each breath that is taken. 16:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And chill. 16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So the first, I have key not so many times, a person who is turned out to live near a wall on the floor. 16:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And there was a date in Maryland or Virginia, where a woman was raped by a sailor, or detectives had been raped by sailor. 17:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we know the floor that was the name of the case. 17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And she didn't need the wall and the wall 17:13 [SPEAKER_02]: from the line they're breathing after he was there. 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So is the triangulation usually sparse and would that make someone unconscious? 17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And that could be, that could be. 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is likely to happen first. 17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That could be that she was killed actually by the triangulation. 17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And that the be hit on the head was subsequent. 17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So if it was subsequent, there were the being fifth-been. 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: There would have been still bleeding to the inside, or bleeding outward by breathing, and the handling the body would have gone flat, or turning the body through. 17:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, the handling the body would have burst blood on me in the vigil that happened. 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if someone was strangled to the point where the horn is broken, 18:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That could do it according to be unconscious or could cause that. 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 18:14 [SPEAKER_02]: The dead would have caused primarily, even by pushing on the airway, or it could have caused problems from pressure on both altered arteries, because the altered arteries are the ones that bring my farm most of the blood into the brain. 18:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And the brain needs a lot of work. 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Stiff, there's a picture of Tappie's head wound with a measurement, a diameter of a very round and it's about an inch, and I'm wondering, what are some objects that could make a wound like that? 18:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you would go with a corner or a bridge. 18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But other things have made that kind of round. 18:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Something with a corner, something with a sharp corner. 19:03 [SPEAKER_02]: where there was a big hospital here called Beaumont, and there was a note there that worked his midnight, and then she went home, and when she came towards her car on the parking lot, her husband waited for her, and I don't know because of jealousy or because of what I don't remember, but he had on the head with what? 19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't see her. 19:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she tried to, she tried to divorce him. 19:34 [SPEAKER_02]: show anyway, whatever. 19:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And people do strange things, show anyway. 19:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you can probably find it on the internet as well, because name is Kdo. 19:45 [SPEAKER_02]: K-A-D-O. 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 19:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't do it. 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And I never understood the mouth, because he was many years ago. 19:53 [SPEAKER_02]: He went in botch. 19:55 [SPEAKER_02]: an instrument, police didn't know what killed her and I told him she was killed by metal object when the corner. 20:05 [SPEAKER_02]: The reason I knew it was metal is because there was black in the bottom where the point is at the very bottom there was black gritty material. 20:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Gritty material 20:24 [SPEAKER_02]: She broke the bone around the bone with a gripper and at the bottom, in the point, and there was black grease down there. 20:37 [SPEAKER_02]: When you, they may not ask you that, but anybody who fell in the gun and cleaned the gun, 20:53 [SPEAKER_02]: a beat of blood. 20:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And they called the clock through the barrel with the undersharing. 21:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And after a few times that you do that, the string has all the loneses from the tissue that it goes through and the old mixture with what ever little fragment that any fragment of lead. 21:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And though the inside of the barrel, when that comes out on the, when you pull it out, through the barrel, the drop is flat. 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And the same happens here, and I told that to the pollution. 21:35 [SPEAKER_02]: They went to the house, they looked all over the place, and they found on the kitchen counter, 21:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm saying that is because what was thought with that receipt while a wood splitting wet out of the wood splitting wet, I'll corner if you hold it at a mango. 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so whatever we've got to have been hit, it doesn't look to you. 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a copy of the autopsy, but it didn't look to you like it was metal because there would have been no grease on it. 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: because he wants a wedge, but he will not hit with a metal object. 22:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He will hit with a break. 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay? 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: What else could make the same kind of move? 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything that can make a corner. 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That can, that has a corner. 22:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You can do it. 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You can probably do it with a heavy object that will break the skull because skulls are not easy to break. 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: is very fit. 22:47 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, it is not much better than fit. 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's right above for ear, right? 22:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's where it is. 22:54 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 22:55 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 22:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 22:58 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 22:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 22:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it is. 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it is. 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it is. 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it is. 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it is. 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it is. 23:08 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:08 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:12 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is. 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: that they didn't do, to reaper, I suspect, because why else would these folks be in misery? 23:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: because that's what he died of. 23:40 [SPEAKER_02]: He died. 23:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I could not tell him because the open bro God, you know, maybe not God, but just he, I'm a gram and a book. 23:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he was on a fret party. 23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You also about a year after that is the autopsy in Maryland when a young woman named Montana. 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was murdered. 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She was hit in the head with a syndrome block. 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: was left face down with her beautiful hair spread out and a lot of cigarette burns. 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What would that tell you about the person? 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she got it burned and that documented that she was a direct burn. 24:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was the case of torture. 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and the center block was hit in the face with the center block, but she was left face down. 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And she had long beautiful blonde hair which was spread out around her head. 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: the police think that perhaps the two crimes are connected. 24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there, do you remember a phrase, Montana? 24:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember that at all. 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And did I do that, Dr. Pete? 24:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He was found in the Mount Auburn, some as Harry, on the other side. 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember that at all. 24:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 25:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was near 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: in sexually motivated crimes, because they cannot be killed, they don't, then they don't are over, because they cannot look at it in the face. 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: How many art options do you think you've done in your life? 25:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I've even done supermise, cheat, cheat, what do you mean? 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's amazing. 25:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it contains, it's, that number contains, because all the operatives where I've ever worked. 25:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And that means really too. 25:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I was in Baltimore and Deputy Chief and did Maryland. 25:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I came to Michigan and I worked in Detroit. 25:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But in Detroit, I worked for the County of Wayne, which is Detroit. 26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: and also in another county next door called the county of Moscow, it's N-A-C-O-N-B. 26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Those two counties are those two counties and in Maryland, they were both dangerous where the American border pathology gave us authority to train people. 26:29 [SPEAKER_02]: a valid answer who wanted to be for injury, so they would do autopsy and show me the autopsy and the staff told the autopsy with me and we would examine the body together right there in the autopsy room and show if I put all the cases together come to approximately 65 dollars. 26:53 [SPEAKER_01]: What the typical day like for you now, now I don't do many 26:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I do, maybe if I do a lot about the P now, I do about 70 times a year. 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you spend a lot of time doing presentations. 27:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do a lot of other work, yes. 27:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I do another, another, another work. 27:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything wouldn't be a lot of more important equality, but not a lot about the P's. 27:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And that makes it. 27:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you that, but not how it is. 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Smith, I don't know if you were, you're aware, but today is the 50th anniversary 27:27 [SPEAKER_02]: really. 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, November 7th, very, very day. 27:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, November 7th, 69. 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We're all having a candle lit tonight for her all over the world. 27:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Really. 27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to thank you. 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I have one more question. 27:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think sister Kathy was filled by somebody who knew her? 27:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost took that way. 27:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And it almost took that way. 27:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm asking you really tell the body 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my recollection. 27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The body was moved, but it not all to be that in a regular walking somewhere and somebody grabbed it and put it in the car and put it not be also. 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: The way I am Irene is, I am not the only one that makes decisions. 28:26 [SPEAKER_02]: They acknowledge that we gain from the police investigation. 28:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And when they do a put-in investigation, it is magnificent and give them information. 28:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And the police know more than I do. 28:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I know what relates to the body. 28:44 [SPEAKER_02]: They know what relates to everything else. 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: An interesting comment. 28:59 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much. 29:34 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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