0:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Today, Jennifer Greene, from the University of Southern Indiana, is back with us. 0:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Jennifer is going to give us a little more insight on New Harmony, the harmonious and their way of life. 0:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I asked Jennifer how the new harmonious went about recruiting new members. 0:18 [SPEAKER_00]: She says they didn't. 0:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Because one, they didn't really want you knocking on their door unless you were truly serious. 0:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like it was hard to get in. 0:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Hard to get in. 0:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't easy. 0:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 0:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they needed to make sure you're going to just drop the apple card. 0:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure. 0:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you had to speak German. 0:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 0:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It might have been a difficult thing here. 0:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I think after father rap, like you've thought that it has to change in all the common. 0:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 0:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they should find all these towns in Ohio. 0:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That had no change. 0:49 [SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I noticed when I read your colleagues book, 0:53 [SPEAKER_00]: was that she mentioned how father rap communicated with Thomas Jefferson. 0:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that was only solely to try to come to America and then again to try to get landed into Anna? 1:07 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about him? 1:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know. 1:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I would suspect just knowing what I know about father or happened knowing what I know about Thomas Jefferson, those two would not have agreed on too much anything. 1:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Religiously speaking or philosophical speaking, and certainly rap wasn't above doing what needed to be done to get what he wanted. 1:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And that he wouldn't just see. 1:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He wouldn't say something to Jefferson. 1:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if we need to cultivate this relationship in order to get... 1:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, they settled in Pennsylvania first, and Jefferson had nothing to do with Indiana. 1:43 [SPEAKER_01]: other than being president when we do the land ordinance of 1785 or 1805. 1:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because that's funny, you should say that though, because one of the islands, there was someone who put out a thing about how Richard Dale Owen was in written communication with Lincoln, and that he's the one who suggested emancipation to link it. 2:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's not that's that's that's 2:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he wanted to make this connection. 2:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe that. 2:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I've done some little, very little research on that. 2:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we do know what you're dealing with. 2:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to the right link and talk about how slavery should be abolished. 2:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And the harmonious, I think, one of the reasons that came to the end of the era, and that Kentucky, is because technically slavery didn't exist here. 2:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they would have settled somewhere in a slavery. 2:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Because each man carries his own way. 2:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And each man helps each man make it to the problem of slime. 2:41 [SPEAKER_01]: and you can't do that in a slave system. 2:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There's something about the harmonious that, like they say, right, there's music in the community. 2:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So these weren't dow or people. 2:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They worked hard, but in some ways they played hard, too. 2:56 [SPEAKER_01]: When they came together as a community. 2:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was all for the greater good. 3:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about once you get back to Ohio, but certainly in New Harmony, I do get a snout. 3:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I do know there were tensions with the people 3:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There were some tensions because it didn't understand the harmots. 3:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't understand why kids were being raised completely and young people were not living at home with their family but living in these dorms. 3:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That was all very different for them. 3:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, the fact that they didn't drink liquor also made a lot of frontier people with suspicious. 3:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So you are made, you don't. 3:34 [SPEAKER_01]: and they all join with the director. 3:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So immediately they have set themselves apart from the community that they're in. 3:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's funny is the more that I listen to this. 3:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So my fiance is A, then in my studio. 3:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so she's a social worker of a wraparound project you probably never heard. 3:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 3:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm disabled son. 3:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I know all about wraparound. 3:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So button map programs seem a lot like 4:03 [SPEAKER_00]: it basically for this county. 4:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And so she tells me about it all the time I hear about every day of my life. 4:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But when I hear the processes of New Harmony and like what they were doing and what they ultimately did correctly, it sounds a lot like that wrap around program where it's more of a community effort. 4:20 [SPEAKER_01]: On the other side of it, we don't really have the voice of the common harm. 4:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't really as far as I'm aware. 4:29 [SPEAKER_01]: know what the common everyday harmonious thought. 4:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the things that we know about the harmonious, we know from Frederick and the four or five families that kind of picked up after Frederick dies and there may have been some scholarship out there on and I haven't really read it, but I don't, I can't recall hearing their voice. 4:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't really know sending with shakers. 4:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of anywhere where I've heard of there was descent in the community over this issue. 5:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Surely those kinds of things have to happen just because human nature is involved. 5:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Were you free to leave the harmonists? 5:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you left without your, you didn't own anything. 5:14 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, the winter loss suits are back there. 5:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's part of the reason why the estate is forever to bust up because there were a ton of lawsuits after the community breaks up as to who's entitled to what caused the community to break up. 5:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know the answer to that. 5:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to be an actor to learn starting thoughts. 5:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't. 5:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Pittsburgh would be the man that has to about that. 5:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously George Rat dies. 5:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the charismatic leader that held that community in check. 5:43 [SPEAKER_01]: and Frederick could not have stepped into their shoes in the same way. 5:49 [SPEAKER_01]: For one, one of the things I've read about Frederick is that he just was not the chasmatic leader. 5:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Rapp had a way of talking and preaching and pulling you in. 6:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what he did. 6:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I've earned all these people here and don't think Frederick quite had that gift a gap, the George had, and then Frederick does, rather suddenly, and there was no transition point. 6:14 [SPEAKER_01]: There was no, although, so George wrap, obviously he was the head of that community, but I don't think I think he thought the community would just keep going even if he wasn't there. 6:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he thought he was lunch Panda everything surviving. 6:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But when you don't have any central control and you're used to that, then plus I think the harmonisk up so bad. 6:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't George believe sincerely. 6:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they he was going to be delivering God to? 6:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, he believed that the rapture was coming in his lifetime. 6:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So man, he didn't even think that he didn't think beyond him. 6:50 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 6:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 6:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So there wouldn't have been a transition plan because he and was supposed to have supposed to happen in his life. 6:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Not being a harmonist, your leader tells you that he's going to deliver you to God and then he got and I put that. 7:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And there were a couple of splinters. 7:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was a large group that left all the economy. 7:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's even before Frederick dies, but I think it's after George dies. 7:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And they go to Bethel Missouri, I like to tell people they wanted to have sex. 7:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So they go to Bethel and they build a community in Bethel that's really based off of the harmonious traditions only they have families. 7:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's another group that leads Bethel and goes out to Aurora Oregon. 7:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where John Deans enters the picture. 7:38 [SPEAKER_01]: John Deans was raised in old economy. 7:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the marching band guy. 7:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He was raised in old economy. 7:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he goes to Bethel and then he takes a group of people from Bethel out to Aurora. 7:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's based off of the same harmonious community although we have families now. 7:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't live in communal living so much. 7:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was a musical-based community. 8:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when the community splits up, these other groups are like, hey, wait a minute, we deserve a piece of the original pie, because we were part of that group. 8:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I'll be just positioned as a bad idea. 8:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got files back then go on for days apparently the arguing over who owns what we should get what your family wasn't there as long as my family and that kind of thing will. 8:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And it does seem like there's four or five families that kind of take over after Frederick does. 8:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to be able to rattle their names off and I can't because I've got these files back there that are based. 8:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So most of my harmonious records are daily ledgers, they're day books, and they're chronological. 8:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I get the set that are family based. 8:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And this I think is mostly for the break-up. 8:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But I get the sense these four or five families that's what took control and decided how things are going to be divvied up. 8:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of lawsuits. 8:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know that anybody could have held them together. 9:01 [SPEAKER_01]: After father rap, that's probably when the breakdown started. 9:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The farm and Tennessee, they're experiencing the same problem when Stephen Gaskin died, who's going to take control and they can't agree, Kashi Ashram and Forda, they have a similar incident, all died. 9:18 [SPEAKER_01]: and the community for the first time didn't have a charismatic leader. 9:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The woman explained it to me, it was really great. 9:25 [SPEAKER_01]: She said, Kashi Aashar was like the solar system, right? 9:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We're all planets evolving around the sun and the sun was more. 9:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And we all had sun. 9:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The sun was there all the time. 9:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the sun explodes. 9:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, for the first time, we have to actually look at each other. 9:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've never really had to do that. 9:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the font's going to another thing, so generational, because it's a cashiashram, right? 9:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The older people are saying, hey, man, I did my time. 9:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I did the social activist thing. 9:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I did all that. 9:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do that anymore. 10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And the younger, but we want to be social active. 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So that generational division. 10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think cashiashram has worked it out. 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the farm will work it out. 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But that idea of we've always had one person in control, even when he wasn't actively in control, that person was there. 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And now that person's gone. 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't imagine the harmoniously would have had you gone through something like that, and probably even more dressed. 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I asked Jennifer what happened to the harmonious society. 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Once they left Indiana for a new home in Pennsylvania, 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: After they go to all the economy, they start buying up all these other towns and buying up all these other industries, and suddenly the harmonious sub-business practice is taking them across the state of Ohio and fulfilling it. 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially with the bridge out, because of course I can't go across the bridge, so I don't know what's one of the side of the bridge, but even today New Harmony seems very secluded. 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It is. 11:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And New Harmony by 1830, the show's over for New Harmony. 11:06 [SPEAKER_01]: There is an intellectual group that stays there, Owen's stay there, and there is some science and art but by 1858, 16, most of that's gone. 11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: New Harmony is just another poor farming community. 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Southern Indiana. 11:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The Ellen's raised horses. 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But by 1880, that's not profitable. 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And the trains kind of bypassed New Harmony. 11:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And 1880. 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, the show is over for them pretty much by 1830. 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's a goal for starting a heart beat with not like I said that. 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going Nicolas, it's a golf cart community now. 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a golf cart community now. 11:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You can have a golf cart on all the streets except church street. 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And you never got to experience Jane Earl and Blaster, the matriarch. 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: When she got on her golf cart, she drove her golf cart wherever she wanted to. 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And you just forget where I was. 12:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Her husband was that Owen DeSundah. 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Jane Owen comes from the Blaster families of Texas and ex-on, 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: David, Owen, one of them. 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, and moved, came to New Harmony in the 1940s, and New Harmony in the 1940s is a burned-out show. 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing there. 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The working man says food is still running. 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The town is just, it's died. 12:27 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like a handful of families still living there. 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: There's still farming going on, but he's talking about the library. 12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The library continues to operate. 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The library never shuts down, right? 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: WM-line, never shuts down. 12:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the oldest library in Indiana, right? 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the oldest continuous library in Indiana. 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And at one time, there were like 27 of you in Mars in the Midwest. 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only one that survived, but yeah, no, and in fact, the farming is a really even happening around New Harmony because you've driven around there. 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not really flat land. 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the melon farming and knocks and gives some counting just north of New Harmony. 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So even the farmers who live in New Harmony are fields or north of town. 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no factories there either. 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no factories, there's no industry. 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So people that live there have to have to be retired or there 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: living on. 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Or they drive into Mount Vernon or they drive into Evansville. 13:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like now the majority of the town, a people who own businesses in the town, it just seems like there's a lot of weddings that happen there, so it seems like that's like the main industry. 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tourist town now. 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So by the 1940s, Jena or Blackford comes into the town, and she falls in love with New Harmony in history, even though her husband really showed zero interest in New Harmony, although they owned the Owen buildings, the McClure House and the Owen Laboratory. 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Those were owned by the Owen family. 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: she builds the ruthless church. 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is she the one that has the memorial garden? 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 13:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Not all makes. 13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: She builds the ruthless church to bring people to this spiritually nexus with new army with its rich history. 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: First off, she's cubed, way taller than me, brick thing, but surround this entire, I don't know how large it is, maybe a block. 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, maybe about a city block. 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just a huge wall and there's two, there's a gate, a very good size gate and then on the front of it, there's even a there's a grand gate that looks like it's it looks like it has gold outlying the top, somebody that you just were not expecting to see in a small town. 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They're ruthless church, so you walk in and according to the plaque, and you can explain about what you tell them I can, but it's supposed to be like a spiritual place. 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you walk in, it's just this bare round. 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There are some pieces of art in certain places, and so if you turn off to the left, after you enter the grand gate, there's like a religious 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would call him a little shrine area, but they're very subdued. 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to go look for them in your face. 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's a very large area, and then at the center in the back, there's this, they call it the ruthless church, which is why ironic because it's all roof. 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The whole structure is, yeah, but it's a roof that's, it's huge. 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's collapsed inside itself. 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a hole in the top. 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was called a wallless church. 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 15:30 [SPEAKER_00]: No wall to it. 15:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's just this huge thing. 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you walk into it. 15:35 [SPEAKER_00]: There's this loud echo. 15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: This is it's super cool. 15:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And when we saw it, we're just like, what is this place? 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, at first we were like, are we on private property? 15:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there wasn't anyone there. 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: All we were there. 15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We were just like, um, but apparently they have weddings and stuff there. 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So we saw a wedding. 15:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of weddings happen there. 15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So the funny thing is when the wedding was there, we drove past the golf cart and they were setting it up. 15:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We drove past an hour later and they were tearing it down. 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, boy, they have this thing to assign it. 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was just crazy how it was, it's a crazy, it's a chain felt the roof was church and then Jane is the one who brings Meyer who built the Anthony. 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: She used the one who brings him in to design the Anthony. 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: is she why there's an upper house there? 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, the opera house goes back to the harmonious, goes back to the, at the harmonious. 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The building goes back that far. 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The oh-ins. 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The opera hall. 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because there was a group out of there, post-O-N called the Golden Truth. 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And they performed all around the United States and around the world. 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were based out in harmony. 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thrills' opera house. 16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You used to be a gas station. 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I also saw a plaque that said that the oldest, the first Indianist first beer 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what they call it. 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's what they claim. 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's another tourist trap. 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They were trying to brew the harmless recipe. 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But the harvest recipe is already down. 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they love it, it would be in German. 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know how they did. 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I never had any. 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was a sort of wheat beer. 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It might have been a wheat beer. 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: which makes sense, because in the summer, he would have had lots of weed. 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been the easy thing to do. 17:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so she built the Anthony M. And all of those were done to bring tourists to New�. 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: She also built the red drain. 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I ate there. 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: She was responsible for all that being built. 17:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's impressive today. 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: She died most of herself in the most of those properties years ago. 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: She hasn't owned the red sheet and owned the red drain 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is she buried? 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She has a marker in Rose Hill, but she's buried in Texas. 17:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I've got really sneaking because of Indiana, if you own property in Indiana and you die, a copy of your will has to be followed in that county, no matter where your will is. 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: She had sold all of her divested herself of all of her properties. 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't technically owe any property in Indiana. 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So it couldn't do my hands on her. 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she's left anything to return. 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Family still owns the Kluor House of Owen Laboratory. 18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's still owned by the Owen Family. 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I noticed that there was no way to go in it. 18:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Our super sack, because I'd love to see in it. 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just so huge building. 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You used to be that you had to charm Jane when she was alive. 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And she particularly liked young European men. 18:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there you go. 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They seem to be able to get in the McClure house. 18:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they want it. 18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever been in it? 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not. 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been in the doorway as far as I've ever gotten in the doorway. 18:49 [SPEAKER_00]: How'd you get in the doorway? 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even get to the gate. 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The door was open and I could look into the four-air. 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Far as I ever got. 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to talk Nick and to go and down there with me. 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a cool place to see. 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It is. 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You went to the WMI and right across the street from there is a yellow house on the corner. 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the Rebear house. 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The Rebear and the Eliots were the ones who kept New Harmony going after the Ellen's letter. 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: If we got a new Harmony, would you meet with us there? 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 19:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only that, I will arrange for the coolest tour guide ever. 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Linda, her name's Linda. 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This lady is fabulous. 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, that's so much fun. 19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If the weather's nice, she'll even take us to see the real door. 19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be awesome. 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all wrapped up in plastic. 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we go see it? 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Please help me. 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's door to enlightenment. 19:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if we do this, we'll have to get a golf card as they take nigg up that hill in the cemetery, you'll see this ill. 19:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The first thing I thought of when I got up the hill, as I was like, how in the crapped are they bury people, because the hill to huge. 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not a wide hill. 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You got stones that are all up and down this hill, old stone. 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was just like, they are some impressive people who had a dig that and then bring casket to whatever it was. 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're buried into the hill. 20:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there you go. 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The harmonious society lasted 100 years, from 1805 to 1905. 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: When rap died in 1847, his community continued without him for another 60 years. 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Even more impressive is the survival of the community beyond the date at which rap had predicted the second coming of Jesus that did not occur. 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Some followers did abandon him at that point, but most stayed with him through his or their death. 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Today, the town of New Harmony has a population of about 700, and I couldn't recommend it more highly. 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know if you do go and I'll talk you through it, and maybe even you down there. 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been looking for an excuse to go back. 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be back with Jennifer in the next episode, as well as Dr. Donald Pitzer, founder of this Center for Communal Studies at the University of Southern Indiana, and also the Communal Studies Association. 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Pitzer literally wrote the book on America's Communoid Utopias, and will be sharing along with Jennifer, more insights on different hometowns affected by carmumes and utopian ideas. 21:28 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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