0:08 [SPEAKER_01]: From hearing the letter and from watching the Keepers sister Rose, 0:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that in your mind, what is your theory? 0:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel like them leaving was because of her finding out what was going on? 0:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It might have played into it, but if I just look on what you just read and what I saw on the keepers, if they were really afraid of mascal, they would have left town. 0:55 [SPEAKER_00]: they I think if that was really a threat to them. 0:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that none was a very strong character and I think she was ready to stand up to him. 1:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my impression because that letter that she wrote to her family and loved one, she took no prisoners. 1:11 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the way it is. 1:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't like it. 1:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Too bad, your father was so upset. 1:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So I can see that. 1:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't see that. 1:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she had only come out of her education like she was only it. 1:27 [SPEAKER_00]: She had a couple years before she started considering this. 1:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I do know because she did say to her parents, when they were so disappointed, she was waiting in chaos, she said, it's safer for me to teach in a public school than it is for me to stay at K.O. 1:45 [SPEAKER_00]: and I think that's it, yet again, I think she had a number of motives. 1:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? 1:51 [SPEAKER_00]: that could absolutely be true. 1:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's anything that would there that would discount that. 1:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think her primary motivations or laid out pretty clear in our letter and it really reflects what was going on in religious communities around the, around the, at least in the United States who was sure happening big time. 2:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So, it wouldn't, yeah, it wouldn't exclude that 2:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Sister Rose, I have another question in regards to maybe your experience or expertise if Sister Kathy learned about this abuse in 1969. 2:33 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think as a sister, her response would have been if she learned of a priest of using children? 2:40 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think that would have looked like in 1916? 2:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If I take it from my point of view, I think if, say for example, something had happened and around where I was and if I went to my leadership, I think they would have probably wanted to keep it quiet. 2:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They might have removed a person from a situation. 3:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They might have gotten rid of the priest, but they wouldn't have said anything public. 3:07 [SPEAKER_00]: because it wouldn't, it would have made the community look bad or they would perceive that. 3:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that that's going back, that's going back to 50 years. 3:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But that would, because I was in the community when this happened, I was in my community already of see, going on two years. 3:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So, no, I'm sorry, it would have been about a year and a half. 3:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But I can see them taking precautions and moving people out of the way and finding a way to get it out of the environment. 3:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They would have absolutely acted to protect people. 3:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that. 3:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But would they have? 3:43 [SPEAKER_00]: gone public no they would have if anything gone to the chance re office they would have talked to somebody they and that's how they would have gotten the person moved but and they you know very well that the chance re office is would have just moved them they wouldn't have done anything by the chance re office you mean that part of the bishop our guy is just evolved to 4:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's where the, it's where the, it's where the vicar general is, it's where the chancellor is, it's usually where the bishop or the arch bishop has his offices. 4:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we, we know at that time up until 2002, 2003, that was how they handled things. 4:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They just quietly moved people or sent them to her therapy, but then when they came back, they did a variety of things. 4:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the ones that were more destined to offend again, they might have tried to put in a situation where they couldn't, but others were just rotated. 4:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody was doing that. 4:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But what else could our sister, or any religious community do? 4:41 [SPEAKER_00]: if they could say something and get the priest pulled what is 1975 is when mathematical was kicked out of Newton's arm, right, up here, up here, correct. 4:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's because the parents went and complained to the new principal, the new principal goes, we're not, we'll have none of that, and he was out of there. 4:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But he wasn't disciplined in any way. 4:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He was just reassigned, so that in 1975 the same thing was happening, but at least the nuns were starting to get the courage 5:10 [SPEAKER_00]: with sister Kathy and this is just I'm just freewheeling off of what you mentioned before. 5:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If they were, they're not living in the condense, but they're still sisters, but they're being called miss. 5:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Would they have had regulations that they had to follow still from their provincial, for example, would they be allowed today? 5:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Or would they be allowed to, I don't know, smoke or drink or whatever, 5:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you said the Kathy says in her letter that we're going to Accepting the valve trust to me, but not obedient did they have freedoms if they 5:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We're, when you're liberty, who shows, who's what tells me they were excloftrated. 5:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, she may have chosen not to use that term because it's difficult, excloft, accurate. 5:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And it means out of your out of, you know, you're out there. 6:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're still a member of the community. 6:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So they wouldn't have still had to observe the valve from poverty, chastity, no obedience, but according to their new status, 6:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So, no, they wouldn't have to obey a superior, but they would have still had the constitutions of the school sisters of Notre Dame, that would have still been a guide for their lives. 6:25 [SPEAKER_00]: As far as poverty goes, because they had permission to be out of the common, 6:31 [SPEAKER_00]: that means that they would have to, they could just make use to both of funds and live off of their earnings. 6:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So they had permission to do that. 6:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Characity is the one area that remains rather sacred. 6:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So dating would not be something that would have been part of the experimentation shall we say. 6:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean that she wouldn't have gone out to lunch with someone or even out to dinner. 6:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would say, we'll move this in a dinner, maybe not, and not spending the night with someone. 7:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That would have been, if she had done that, that would have been motive for automatic dismissal and trust hering. 7:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably, it would have been, because if she got married, it would have been automatic dismissal. 7:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe not, because people do fail on both sides, maybe not, automatic dismissal. 7:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So I take that back. 7:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But it would have been a serious matter, and she wouldn't have done that lightly if you correct. 7:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but so you said smoking and drinking. 7:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We drink wine. 7:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a margaritas from time to time. 7:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hoping there's no, I know some nuns do smoke, but I don't know any of our nuns here in the United States who currently smoke because you have to spend money to do that. 7:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you need permission to spend money on cigarettes. 7:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's probably not gonna happen, and at least not in our community of the daughters of St. Paul. 7:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you could do it on the download, but I wouldn't say that's the healthyest thing to say to do. 8:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're living California, right? 8:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I do. 8:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and off's that. 8:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of things you can do in California that you can't do in Indiana or Maryland right now. 8:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So, sir. 8:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I used to ask myself, what can pre-smoke that nuns can't? 8:20 [SPEAKER_00]: What is that? 8:21 [SPEAKER_00]: What is that all about? 8:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If you saw the movie Agnes of God will miss that 90 something. 8:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There's what's her name? 8:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of the actress. 8:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, she's there talking with the Jane Fonda, who's the reporter. 8:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And there she is smoking a cigarette. 8:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just when I saw that I just started laughing because it was such a funny picture. 8:39 [SPEAKER_00]: but yet what morally there's nothing in our constitutions that say we can't smoke, but I think now most people would say that it's not good care of your body and it's also spending harder and money for something that do you really need it? 8:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not. 8:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Sister Rose, for the sisters that were given permission back then for the post-faddock into experimentation, what would they have looked like? 9:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Would they have been wearing the their veil on everything during their teaching in public schools? 9:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they would not have. 9:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a separation of church and state issue that would have precluded that in most places. 9:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that they were such a good close. 9:19 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, when you go into the status of that costration, that's one of the minutes is that you will leave behind your habit and you will wear a secular close. 9:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Where you're on a leave of absent, you keep your, you have the ability to keep your habit, and you keep all your rise privileges as a religious sister. 9:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So, X got a straightening, you're really letting go of just about the whole caboodle or the whole kitten caboodle. 9:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So, they probably would not have had their habits in the cloud and their apartments. 9:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I would sincerely doubt that they probably packed up boxes or left the boxes at the motherhouse, bending their timely termination, what they're going to do. 9:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 9:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny how often that comes up. 10:00 [SPEAKER_00]: because everybody wants to know if they keep their habits and the closet where they live, the parents' health department. 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: life can get overwhelming, and talking to someone can make all the difference. 10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode, make starting therapy simple. 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Complete a short questionnaire and you'll be matched with a licensed therapist, and as little as a couple of days, you can connect by message, phone, or video, from wherever you feel comfortable. 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the first therapist 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help include a journal for personal reflection and daily group sessions on a variety of topics and they accept each essay and FSA cards. 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: with over 2,000,000 users, and a 4. star rating on trust pilot. 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help is a trusted platform for accessible mental health care. 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If you think you could benefit from therapy, visit betterhelp.com. 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Choose our podcast during sign-up and get 10% off your first month. 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Taking care of your mental health is a sign of strength. 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Start your journey today. 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's funny. 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember going over to visit Kathy and Russell in the summer and my friend and I took a pizza over and Kathy was in shorts and a t-shirt and tennis shoes and she was ironing. 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought this started laughing because she had been my English drama teacher in a long habit of a fool. 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: make up thing, but here she was with her little bubble hairdo and her t-shirt and shorts ironing your ironing soft moan of ironing board, but yeah, life changed. 11:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Do many orders you'll wear have it? 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I know contrary to common perception. 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: If you go to Rome, you're going to think you're living in the midst of, I don't know, every religious community in the world, because the 12:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There might be, there are none there who don't wear habits, but and that's a choice that a religious community makes according to their mission because everything, every choice we make is in view of our ministry with God's people. 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: us, daughters of Saint Paul, just to give an example, we have the ability to wear the habit and veil, the modified habit and veil, we have the ability to choose to go without the veil, and we have the ability to use secular dress. 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So our sisters in Brazil, they have chosen secular dress because they feel that they can relate to their people better in that way. 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And our sisters in Pakistan, where Pakistani dressed, even though it's kind of a uniform, if you look up, if you google daughters that think Paul Pakistan, you'll see what our sisters look like there. 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If you do daughters that think Paul India, you will see that they wear like a light tan, sorry. 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I can just digress a minute, I can tell you why that's a good thing. 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: When young women come from these really poor, rural areas, 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: and they want to join a convict of European or Western sisters. 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big status thing for them to look like a European sister. 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And their motivations can get muddled for why they're even entering a convict. 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So if a sister is wearing a sorry in India, then she's actually wearing the dress of her people. 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what nuns habits used to be in the 16th, 17th and 18th century. 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: What we're wearing now is something that is worn out of that European some in some teachers, village people, it's you will, you know, are villagers and the poor. 13:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really the dress of the poor for the most part. 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why to Mother Teresa chose a sorry for her sisters, who's because they would look as the poor and they would live as the poor. 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So our sisters have chosen the same thing in India and they have permission to do that. 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And it makes sense to me because they're not in Europe. 14:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not in the West. 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They're in a completely different culture and to dress according to the culture. 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: To me is what Jesus would do. 14:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's I think we're none to were experimenting after Vatican II. 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to go. 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Now some of them made it and some of them didn't. 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that there was a huge accident of religious in the years that 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: and that would have been true for just about every community in the West. 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: How much did that do you think was attributed to the Vatican Council? 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I throw that a lot of it. 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The purpose was all about ecumenical practice, but it did seem like so many nuns and priests were leaving so that they could almost like to take up social issues and to be exactly or 15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They saw if their relevant fee was going to be and how they could address the problems of the time as fines of the time, which is the in the language of that it can too. 15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But here's the really fascinating thing. 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So we had preparation for the Vatican Council once it lived announced. 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I think the Holy Spirit was at work in the 50s because Pious, the 12th, and various movements, the sister, the, what was it called, the sister's formation conference that was started because of Pious, the 12th, you know, urging sisters to be educated, urging them to modify their habit and their lifestyle. 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was all coming into that. 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And they followed the council closely, they created their chapters as a result of what came out of Atticitude, the documents that came out of Atticitude, but the church put the breaks of the numbers, the sisters were doing what the documents were saying. 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think the guys at the Vatican were ready for what was coming because remember there were no women in Vatican offices back in the 60s. 16:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really a meal. 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still a male dominated church, but there's some, there's been openings here and there. 16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: As we saw recently, I think seven women were appointed to the Pontifical, the sacred congregation for religious and secular institutes and institutes of consecrated life, would it? 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The formal name is 16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have it front of me, but because it's changed over the years, but seven women were appointed and that's huge. 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really huge. 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like when you say there's no, there has to be a me and the me. 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: In other words, we want women involved in our life. 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We won't want men telling us what to do and what our lifestyle should be. 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We want women to mediate that for us. 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a good thing. 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So the sisters were already for Vatican II and then the breaks were put on. 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody forced thought what the sisters were ready for there was the communication wasn't there and the Vatican just got all these complaints from everybody and they just put the breaks on and that pretty much slow things down for some. 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: but not for all. 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think some of the more, say, shall we say, adventurous among those who are experimenting with religious life, or they pretty much float down. 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: After a while, you kind of refocus and you make adjustments and you decide if this is the life you want to lead and if you're willing to work with the life that you're in and that you've got to show to you, you've chosen it and you slow down and you make 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: well fought out and well experienced and well nuanced and answers to the questions that arise. 17:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sister, do you know if there are any women priests at this time? 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There are women priests who, they're women priests, but there are no priests in the Roman Catholic Church. 18:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I got a winner. 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it is not permitted. 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: What about great Orthodox? 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there women praised not that, oh, now the orthodox? 18:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Not that I've ever heard of that have been actually ordained by a bishop with valid orders. 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about I have never heard of great orthodox. 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a great Catholic church, but there are the authority of the Pope, too. 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would say there are no women who are ordained in the Eastern Orthodox. 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll record the docs, I doubt it, but there might be a branch there here or there that has or damed women, but whether or not their ordination would be considered valid by other highly questionable. 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: or you're appealing about female athletes. 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I try to understand where women who want to be ordained priests are coming from. 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not something I aspire to personally because there's so much administration involved. 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And Gemma and Shane, I am here to tell you today that I'm not a good administrator. 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want to spend my life in that ministry if you want it and it is a ministry in a way because you're caring for people, you're caring for, but you're running what is essentially, but looks like a business even though it's a non-profit, but it functioned in that way. 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And you have to practice good business practice, right? 19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to do that because it's stewardship that you're caring for God's gift. 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's not something that I want to do at any rate. 19:40 [SPEAKER_00]: is not something that I personally aspire to, and I, I'm, I guess I'm willing to let the church move at its own pace on this and go with that, but the interesting point is that during Vatican II, and I heard this from the man himself, Bishop Ernest, under Kepler, of the diocese of Charles to South Carolina. 20:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He might have been an auxiliary of Virginia at the time, but I think he was in South Carolina by then. 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He went to every single part of that akin to. 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He was there for every single one. 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And he proposed the re-institution or the re-instatement of the deaconate for women, of the order of deaconate, deaconate for women. 20:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that he re-instate. 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: proposed that the order of deaconess that would be the order of deacon for women be reinstated because it's scripturally based. 20:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in the acts or the apostles. 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an order of service. 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not part of holy orders in the sacramental sense. 20:45 [SPEAKER_00]: However, if they reinstated that ancient 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: be at the front of the line. 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: However, it might get a little murky there because I'm already a vowed religious sister that would have to be seen if I could do both. 21:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would sure like to do that if it's ever, because it was passed by the bishops and then put aside and forgotten. 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But now it's being looked at again and I would really hope that. 21:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're afraid that women will think that they're being ordained priests, but they're not. 21:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's completely outside the order of the sacramental polli orders, so if I can understand it, I think most people can. 21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, lay people can be eucharistic ministers, but yes, it's that the only sacrament that every other sacrament of the seven, they're seven, priests have to administer. 21:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct? 21:39 [SPEAKER_00]: No, baptism. 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: even a non-cathlete can baptize somebody. 21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and it's like it counts. 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because you poor water has to be poured water or sprinkle, but it has to run. 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: There have to be, it has to be enough of a sprinkle to run. 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is can be performed by, 22:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the person they're with is not Catholic and they say, please baptize me. 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you how to do it and they do it and that's valid Wow, then you have it so yeah, but there's also that the baptism of desire the baptism of blood People who give their life for Christ even if they're not Catholic, but they do it for the intention That's considered that they're baptized and a lot of the early martyrs who we consider same they are they came through the baptism of blood 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So it would be baptism, anybody, even in on Catholic can do that. 22:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Eucharistic ministers can, Eucharistic ministers can give holy communion under both kinds, under the forms of bread and wine. 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the other sacraments, yeah, they're decant, a decant can do the blessing of the sick, but the decant cannot hear confession. 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But he can't a knowing to if I'm not mistaken, he can a knowing to person who's sick, 23:05 [SPEAKER_00]: and Gagons can also or Meriton with marriages, right? 23:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They're witnessing a marriage. 23:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Dikons can do that too. 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're, remember, Dikon is, they're permanent Dikons or they're transitional Dikons. 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I think either one can witness a marriage and can annoying. 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to check that about the transitional Dikons. 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think they can. 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sister, we really do need our, now we need a Catholicism book of dummies. 23:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're in our yard. 23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh. 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, well, that's just, you're a wealth of information. 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Before we close, I have one more question. 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You brought up the fact that Kathy and Ross is letters to request that they leave would have been in their files. 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And you use the word, Zach Roostangt. 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you explain what that means and what else would be in a holy person's files besides a letter like that, what else is in there? 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, in her file would have been her letter to request to enter the community. 24:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been her letter to request to enter an Eviship, her letter to request to be admitted to first vows or first profession of vows, a poverty chastity and obedient. 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Her letter to request final vows to be admitted to final profession, both letter 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: would all be there, and the reason I say there's a sacrosanct is because that reflects the inner journey of her soul. 24:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so personal and so private and such a beautiful thing. 24:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever hear of the, I think it's called the Brain Project, and it's a school sisters of Notre Dame who were involved in that, if I'm not mistaken, and it's where these 24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: have donated their brains to science when they die and feel that this is really interesting. 25:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So all these factors have participated in this experiment and what they did, they took the status of their brains and whether or not they had Alzheimer's and dementia. 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they looked at their original letters of requesting to enter the convict. 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: and they correlated the development of dementia and Alzheimer's with the skill of and the way that they formed their letters created their request and at a level of literacy, if you will, that they had or the facility with language. 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're actually predictors in those early 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: as to whether or not the nuns would develop Alzheimer's or dementia. 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Shows, isn't that interesting yet? 25:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You could find that on the internet. 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a book, wow. 25:59 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a book out that the doctor who's not even Catholic, but I think the nuns continue in donating their brains to science. 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: so that can help with the studies, the researchers, they would have to have access to the shot first saying, they were given the first letter and they were given and the last escape permission for that. 26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: See, the sisters themselves gave permission. 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't have been 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: The sisters who were the gatekeepers of this wonderful legacy that the sisters left behind. 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And you could just imagine the beauty of their souls when they're requesting to follow Jesus for the rest of their lives in religious life. 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a beautiful thing. 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But with covered very much in the news, when the book came out, I can remember seeing it on the today show. 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Be they had month on there, they were part of it. 26:51 [SPEAKER_00]: None study. 26:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called the None study. 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the goal for just Notre-Dame in North America. 26:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, 98% donation rate of learning or donating their brains to science. 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Just do the None study, Google it. 27:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And you will find it. 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same order that Sister Calkey belonged to and it was Dr. David noted in the 1980. 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You can imagine what these sisters are, what they're doing to help people by donating their brains to shine. 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you imagine that? 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fascinating. 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I suppose you'd have to read the book to find out about the correlation between their skill at writing as a young teenager. 27:35 [SPEAKER_00]: In many cases, they were probably still in high school when they wrote these letters of application. 27:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But yet, there's a correlation there that I'm fascinating. 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So it would be the month studied by Dr. Snowden, David Snowden, 27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're close. 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They're close. 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: They're close to Alzheimer's and aging. 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's on the website of the Numbu Daddy. 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to go under school for just the Notre Dame non-study. 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And it would bring you to the page. 28:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so they're making a huge contribution. 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think to the West especially, because it's Westerners with all their professed food and everything else that we're becoming susceptible to Alzheimer's. 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it seems to me more than anybody, but I can't say that for sure. 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure, that's correct. 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Sister Rose, my last question I have for you is our sister's a part of the Archdiocese. 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's a really good question, Shane. 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's what happens when the sister's school sisters of Notre Dame, for example, were founded in the area, Germany. 28:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They would have been approved locally. 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when they started to expand around the world, the local bishop would have accepted them. 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And in many cases, when that happened, sometimes their unity or their connection with the mother house was broken and the bishop took over and made them a diocesan order. 29:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But in the case of the school physicists of Notre Dame, the theme with us, 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though our founder started sending us out of the country and into other dioceses around the world, even before we, in 22 years before we received final approval, he maintained that we were a papal community. 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: We were approved by Pope, by the Vatican. 29:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And what that means is that they, a sister, run into trouble in her community, and they want her to leave that they say, well, you've broken this and you've broken this rule and you've done that, and we want you to leave. 29:41 [SPEAKER_00]: and she would appeal to, she would have the right to appeal to the Vatican. 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary of Los Angeles, but Cardinal was telling them that they had to obey his five requirements for being a valid religious community. 29:58 [SPEAKER_00]: When it interfered with their life, they were a Vatican approved, people approved congregation from the get-go. 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They appealed to the Vatican, unfortunately, the Vatican started with the Cardinal Archbishop of Los Angeles. 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was the end of it. 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's what I mean by saying the Vatican wasn't ready for what came after Vatican too. 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though they had approved it all in principle, 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't ready for the reality of it all and we have history that tells us that for a people community can appeal to Rome. 30:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we came to say, for example, we've been in the art archdiocese in Los Angeles for over 30 years. 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: In order to we had to ask permission of cargo manning to come into the archdiocese, we had to work with him and his offices 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: about where we were going to the area that we were going to build our bookstore in. 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He has no right to interfere with the inner workings of our community. 30:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But he has a right to say something about the current Archbishop of the Los Angeles Archbishop Gomez. 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: If we start doing things that are outside of the scope of our constitution, 31:11 [SPEAKER_00]: and the way that the archdiocese understand that they could first question us, they can ask us to conform, and it's really too much interference. 31:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We would have the right to appeal to Rome for mediation, and we would have to go with what Rome decided, but God willing, things don't get to that extreme anymore. 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And then a local other communities, when they first 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's when they start to expand when they're in more than one diocese that then they usually apply to the Vatican for people approval because then they're in many dioceses and it's easier to manage frankly and to carry out one's ministry. 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense? 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It sure does. 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: This is before we close. 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Where can we find your writing in the newspaper? 32:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you in the LA Times? 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 32:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm at the National Catholic Reporter. 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: OK. All you have to do is go to ncronline.org and my name, Rosalacotti. 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you do that in the Google search engine, you'll come right to all my reviews. 32:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So it continues with a writing for them. 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And then every month at St. Anthony Messenger.org, you can find a real time, which is my monthly column with St. Anthony Messenger. 32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Just go to realtime, but St. Anthony Messenger.org, and then search the page and you'll find real time. 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and what are your truths of different topic, Gagemon? 32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I review three different films for St. Anthony Messenger every month. 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And for the National Catholic reporter, I pretty much get to write whatever I think is relevant at the moment, review films, comment on culture in mock, excuse me, in May I was in Ken, where I was part of the Ecumenical jury. 33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I wrote five articles about my experiences there for the National Catholic reporter. 33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I have been announced once and I want to go again, but it's January and then we always have seem to have something else going on. 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to be going to the Jerusalem Jewish film festival during Hanukkah this year to be on the interreligious jury. 33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, back down. 33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'll be writing about that. 33:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, will they feature 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That movie that just came out, the documentary, you think they'll have that one? 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because what they do is they usually see your films that have, they always feature film that have not been released because this is a competition for a way to describe as a given. 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can enter an unreleased film at different film festivals, but once it's released, it's usually not put in festivals anymore. 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And we also want to give you the opportunity to say anything you would like to say Uncensored and the message any words of wisdom 34:10 [SPEAKER_00]: where we have open ears. 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I was really attracted to the story of the keepers. 34:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I found it compelling. 34:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I remember telling people it, Netflix, no, I, the director, I told the director that I had watched it three times. 34:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he said to me, have you seen it? 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, right, I've seen it three times. 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But he said, I insist on seeing something before I interview anybody attached to it. 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make sense to me. 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Because otherwise, what are you talking about? 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: What kind of questions you ask? 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was really compelled by this theory that you did, and I was struck with so much aberration for you and for Abby and for the journalists that you worked with, and even for the director and his team for being willing to take a risk on this story. 34:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But I love mysteries, most nuns do, just so you know, nuns love mysteries. 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, but it's just a nothing. 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that was another attraction for me. 35:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But then you get into the whole thing about abuse. 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what broke my heart more than anything. 35:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that these young women and young men, children, were abused at the hand of Maskel, and it looked like his ring of a miser. 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It just broke my heart. 35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know a lot of people have left the church because of this, and because the church didn't act 35:28 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, we've had hoped that a wood or when we think it should have, it should have, because it was supposed to be for the people, not to protect the institution. 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think the churches are coming a long way in that. 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that it's not a finished journey. 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: However, I just want people to know out there that they have my love, they have my prayer, 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, I'm just still in the church, I'm not, and to lead the church because I feel that this is where Jesus wants me to be performing carrying out my mission as a daughter of St. Paul using the media to discover and spread God's word and God's love. 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I hope I pray that people will find peace that they will seek the help that they can and know that there are many of us religious who pray for them every single day and because we love them even though we don't know who they are. 36:36 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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