0:07 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much. 0:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Today our guest is a special friend, her name is Mr. Rose Pockotti. 0:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're going to talk to a sister and I have to explain how we met because I was terrified of sister Rose at first when the Netflix series The Keepers came out. 0:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I've just given a person at Netflix that was supposed to give me guidance. 0:53 [SPEAKER_01]: which is kind of hard to do for Jumma, right? 0:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Sister Rose contacted me and asked for an interview. 0:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I had to call Netflix, my person, and then they had to say whether it was okay or not. 1:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I knew nothing and actually had given an interview to a tabloid before I had a person. 1:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got in trouble for that. 1:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And when Sister said she was a nun, 1:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh my gosh, here's a fallen Catholic and none went to interview me, so I was a little nervous, so I got in touch with my person at Netflix and told them that to Starros Picotti wanted to interview me. 1:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And before I horribly got the name out of my mouth, they were like, oh my gosh, we loves the Starros. 1:39 [SPEAKER_01]: She's one of the best movie critics in Hollywood. 1:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So what they did then was they called up this dirt and they set it up. 1:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they put us on the phone together. 1:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We thought this was funny, because it was like going around the block. 1:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the personal page on the phone with me, in case I say, I'm not supposed to say, or if just a road asks me a question, I'm not supposed to answer, they just interrupt. 2:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness I didn't happen. 2:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So with all that said, I want to welcome my special friends, just a road's for high sister. 2:18 [SPEAKER_01]: High Tim, thank you for that lovely introduction. 2:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like you're my special buddy now. 2:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I unload on you a lot, but I trust you. 2:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're pretty tenacious and you, you know what time it is. 2:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We have, but the reason that we're talking to foster rose today is because so many of you listeners have asked about how Kathy and Russell, 2:42 [SPEAKER_01]: either left the convent, didn't leave the convent and Shane and I are getting as confused as everybody else because of the way things were then. 2:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So sister Rose has offered graciously to explain all that to us and I think everybody will appreciate this because this has been a bone of content and nobody really understands what the situation was. 3:10 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, sister Rose. 3:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So you mentioned that you've listened to the podcast, so you're probably well aware that I don't know a lot about Catholicism. 3:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're definitely glad to have you are to get your input. 3:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for inviting me. 3:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Our first question is, some people are confused as to why or whether it's just a Kathy or just in Sister Russell, we're still in the comment, can you explain to us as you understand it from watching the keepers, what their church or what their status was? 3:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sure. 3:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really, that was a really, it's in time in 1969 and it was also a very 3:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So after the pandemic and council that ran from 1965, lots of women's congregations began to experiment with different lifestyle and to go back a bit further. 4:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Sisters used to always see in the comment only living and praying and working that what they were contemplative in the 1600s none started reaching out to the community to be teachers to work with the poor. 4:16 [SPEAKER_01]: There was the visitation on the Sisters of Aureto who I think were the first and the daughter of the charity of St. Constipal. 4:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Even before the French Revolution and before Germany started their huge cultural 4:31 [SPEAKER_01]: but they got approval to do that on a case-by-case basis from the church. 4:37 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1917, the church issued a revised code of canon law. 4:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was one of the first times it was ever revised, and then sisters and congregations that had blossomed after the French Revolution to meet the needs of the poor and teachers and to provide teachers, especially for girls, they existed by exemption. 4:58 [SPEAKER_01]: which meant that technically our lifestyle was still supposed to be that of cloistered nuns, but we could go out and have schools and hospitals and such. 5:08 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1983 that all changed, but this is the context of which Vatican II occurred when it went before revision of canon law and said that posters could do all of these things go out in the community, 5:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So after Vatican II, some sisters had been prepping for this all the way through the 1950s when Popeye is the 12th holding on to get an education. 5:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He told them to modify their habits because of hygiene if you could believe that as being a major reason, but it was. 5:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of sisters, a lot of communities around the world were really anxious to really go out into the world and meet the signs of the time and think like that, or that would be how they would have phrased it at that time in 1969. 5:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So Sister Kathy and Sister Russell, as per my understanding of the keepers and the research that I've done, would have been in a status called ex-glustration. 6:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There are two ways to take a leave from your religious community and still have your vows and still be a sister. 6:18 [SPEAKER_01]: One is called a leave of absence and depending on the community, but it allows up to three years to take care of your parents. 6:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You're still where you're habit. 6:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The community you're still, you can still be elected to an office in the community. 6:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The community provides for you that education can be another reason and then helping parents. 6:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Exploration has a different purpose. 6:44 [SPEAKER_01]: However, that's when a sister asked permission to live outside the community and she will not wear her rabbit and she will be responsible to provide for herself. 6:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what Kathy and Russell were doing. 6:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They were working in a public school, they weren't wearing a habit, and Kathy was on her way to cash her paycheck that night, which meant that she was supporting herself. 7:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So, the reason why would a person ask for, excuse me, we have two possible motivations. 7:15 [SPEAKER_01]: One would be that they wanted to experiment in a new lifestyle maybe in view of leaving. 7:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It might have been like a step towards actually getting a 7:27 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can correct me here, Gemma, the Kathy had a romantic interest. 9:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She was exploring the relationship option. 9:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it was she not? 9:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to answer that because Kathy is probably like tapping me on the shoulder right now, saying, Jerry and I were friends. 9:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, okay, yeah, I think that whatever decision she was making was not based on him. 9:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then that's the case. 9:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We may never really know why she and Russell were expostrated unless some friend out there might know and might want to call into the podcast and let you know. 9:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The reasons would be wouldn't be in a letter that she would have written for permission 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: that letter would have gone to her provincial superior in her council and they would have considered her reasons and granted her the ex-questration, but it would have, I think it might have also had to go through their general aid to their mother general and her council for the final permission. 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in our community, leave of absence can be done on a provincial level, but ex-questration has to be done through the general government, but provincial first thing 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that because it was such a people in the church after Vatican II, nuns were doing all kinds of stuff that maybe wrong wasn't prepared for. 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They certainly didn't. 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They really hadn't thought ahead. 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I take the case of Sister Creaticent and the IGM sisters in Los Angeles. 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They and other communities were just like Sister Kathy's community. 10:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing experimentation in their mission and their ministry and their lifestyle. 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: For some reason, Cardinal McIntyre really picked on the IHM sisters. 11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just your career to herself before Cardinal McIntyre kind of forced the sisters to just band or most of them to just band. 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Career to Kent instead of asking for ex-clostration asked for a sabbatical. 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's like paraphernal leave of absence because she was living outpried to community. 11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't wearing the habit. 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And after six months, she asked Drake directly to roam for a dispensation of her vow. 11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: She never went into the ex-glustration project, which is probably the normal route for someone who's discerning whether or not they're going to stay or leave. 11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Or they're in a stage of experimentation with the religious life. 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: As I said, usually last the year, however, for some reason, 11:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Kathy and Russell's superiors, but no, you have to defy by June 1st if you're coming back or not. 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That was like a six month leave of absence if I'm not mistaken. 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been unusual and it makes me think that somebody in Rome are the higher up. 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We're putting pressure to rain in the sisters who were doing some kind of experimentation. 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But to go back to the motivations of why sister Kathy and Russell asked for this, I'm sure that in the records of the sister school fissures of Notre Dame, there are the letter that they would, the letters they would have written to ask provision with their motivations very well outlined. 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that they're generally general government would have given them permission to go on this ex-class station journey means that they did clearly state their motivation. 12:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Those letters I would bet you 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: anything that they're in the files of the sisters of their provincial house, you will never be able to have access to them. 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's because those letters are saying cross their, they're sacrificing to a religious community. 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the story of a sister's journey. 12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: her spiritual journey. 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not something that they would want to open up and share with anyone unless compelled to do either civilly or religiously, but they would probably fight it in every level so that those letters wouldn't be made public. 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: When I was doing research from my book on 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I was right there where they keep their archaive where this ecumenical community that grew out of the disbanding of most of the IHM congregation there in Los Angeles. 13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And this the former sister in charge said to me, oh sister not even a writer writing a biography, one of our most famous people would be allowed to see her file, to see her letters, like even why she wanted to enter the condent. 13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a long and short of it. 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a rose. 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I have, I'm going to ask for you to define a couple of words for those. 13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Or so, we're not an East Athletic. 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't blame what the word cloister means. 13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm not going to be able to give you the edamame on the job. 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But what it means is closure. 14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It means enclosure. 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And the cloister is either the religious house, the house where monks are non-flif or even sisters. 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Part of our house is a cloister. 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: where only people who are accompanied like workmen or something like that are allowed to come in or rarely someone would be a relative, a female relative would be allowed to stay with us. 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But you've got like the caramelite order. 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got the visitation order is some like Oyster still, where they have to goals, but they also live a very regulated lifestyle, a conventional lifestyle, which means they go by the hours. 14:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They have their, the creating office, several hours of the day, I think five, and the day and night for some contemplative order orders. 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: means that you take phallandows, the poverty chest, the and the obedient and often you take one of stability. 15:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And that means that you're going to stay in that monastery or that abbey or that comment for the rest of your life. 15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: and that's what nuns do. 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And not all may take that vast ability depending on what specific constitutions or rules have been written that they have their founders wrote for them or they have been approved by the church. 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's basically what a cloister is. 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's where nuns are monks live and where outsiders may not come without permission. 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's interesting because the Carmelade haven't a house, a condent, near Baltimore. 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I tried all my aunt would take us to see the sisters, and hadn't seen them, there was like a big round, they called it a turn. 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be something you'd be in a liquor store to keep them done in shot. 15:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we would pick these flowers that would be hip, 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: and we put on a turn and send them around and we would wait for the nun on the other side to say, all these are just beautiful. 16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking now she's probably thrown a million dandelions and the trash next to the turn, but I was fascinated by that that we could hear them. 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They were always sweet. 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I think couldn't see them, but then they would send us like, 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: a prayer card or something, a poop to eat or something back. 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, do you have fun? 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the other term I was going to ask you to explain is the word contemplative. 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody can be a contemplative, somebody who spends time in quiet prayer, in meditation, or in some form of communication with God, and that's contemplation. 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: A contemplative order is one that lives that lifestyle all day long. 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, they probably don't speak more than an hour a day. 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: and that would be when the community gathers together. 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, if they speak to the superior, they don't really speak directly to each other, or they some trappist and trappist and trappistine are known for their side that they've developed sign language. 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: One time, I made a silent retreat in Scotland where I was setting an England to my master's degree and I had to wait for all the my dissertation and things to get approved and probably went and made a silent retreat in 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to tell you that within, I don't know, 24 hours, we were all total strangers except a few who came as a group, like the Jesuit novices and whatnot, but we were all communicating using facial expressions and sign language. 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We just picked up. 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very interesting, and I think that happens in religious life too, so they live in silent. 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: they live in prayer, they foster union with God in their lifestyle and their work is actually to pray for the needs of the world. 18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you add it, then look at their purposes. 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they will tell you. 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a perfect segue. 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a comment about your earlier explanation of Rust and Kathy. 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a friend who just shared with me that he spoke to Kathy a whole year before she left. 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And she shared with him that she was thinking about it as much as a year before that. 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That she was frustrated because she didn't feel like she could make the impact she wanted to make 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: and not working with people outside the school. 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that she was maybe a little bit like you and I are sister, like a little bit of excuse me badass and wanted to just get out there and mix it up with people. 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think she was frustrated being at KO all the time. 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is that 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: in talking to her family, they explained to me that she wrote them all a letter, like everybody got the same letter, it's playing what she was going to do and that would have been like an April and that she would have until December to make a decision. 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess that's where the six months thing goes. 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So is that make a thing? 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah sure, if they were given a specific timetable 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing that has been one thing I question though is that letter that they received that they had to decide by January 1st, what I was that sent to them if they already knew. 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a copy of the letter, I can read it really quick if you would like to hear it. 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I do. 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Please don't mean you have the one that they were sent or the one that Kathy sent. 19:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The one that Kathy sent. 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, the one she sent to other people, telling them what she was doing. 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct. 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to go ahead and read that, though. 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be a nice thing to read, yeah. 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so she typed it. 20:13 [SPEAKER_00]: June 1st, 1969, a warm hello. 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Please don't far this away as though it were an important. 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I have chosen this very ordinary way to communicate an extraordinary piece of information. 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: For at least two years, myself and a few of the sisters I live with have been quite concerned with the way we have been living religious life, we have felt that the current way is not the best way for us, we wanted very much to live a much more flexible life in which we could put ourselves more openly and freely at the service of others. 20:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We have requested this form of life in the order. 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We have been finally and officially refused. 20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: This has created a pressure and attention, which we have resolved in the following way. 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: One, we have requested a leave of absence for a period of one year. 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Two, we will, in this year, live the life as we see as a positive value for us. 21:15 [SPEAKER_00]: three, we will take private vows comparable to chastity at a promise to live in a form of community of service for. 21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We will live in an apartment here in Baltimore City. 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Five, we are hoping for jobs in the Baltimore Public Schools or in the private industry. 21:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Six, we have commitments for the summer and we're joined together in August. 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And seven, my address for vary because I'm engaging in a series of workshops and retreats and then she lists the addresses that they're gonna be changing too. 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I write this to you so that you will have the truth concerning our situation. 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You are therefore free to accept or reject what I have written and what I am doing. 22:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But you, all of you, have brought me to this time and place in my life. 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And for that, I am deeply grateful. 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: My love for God's people is richer and warmer because you have shown me that. 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He is present and where he is present. 22:25 [SPEAKER_00]: all that you have been and continue to urge me to love even more. 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Shalom, sister Janita, now sister Miss Katherine Seasnick, and that's the end of the letter. 22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, lots of planes, everything. 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, she's calling it a leave-of-app, but is that because she wasn't getting permission? 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No, actually, with that type, what she's saying there should have been ex-clothrated, which I think it was her status. 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I would bet that's her status. 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why they were given the deadline to come back. 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Because what she's describing is a state of ex-lustration, not a leave-of-apps. 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Even what she said will take a chance today that very interesting that means that they didn't intend to have a superior that there wouldn't be any issue about obedience and because they would be working with their own money then that would preclude 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They would be, how do you say it? 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Disposing of their own money, then that wouldn't mean that they were not living poverty at the time. 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually when you're exhausted, you're still required to live your vow. 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think if anything, the school says there's a note to Dom, had to have a final answer as to whether they were going to come or going to go. 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds like they were already decided that this they were just going to go. 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: because they have officially been refused, but they're going to be refused to leave. 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They were refused to leave of that to do what they wanted to do. 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So what we probably met, the mechanism that would have gone into place would have been ex-classration, at least for a period of time, which and they asked until the six month period there, who she framed it. 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And it must have been their community doing due diligence because once you go into a it's kind of juridical state, all of it's sudden, all the rules go into play. 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It becomes very legal. 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And it almost seems like it turns very cold, the relationship turns cold. 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why she would have gotten that letter saying you have to decide by January 1st to come back or not. 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: This is it because it's the final thing. 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And that makes sense. 24:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's also interesting that at the end of the letter, is she signs a sister, Joenita, now sister or miss, Catherine Cessnick. 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so she was pretty much, they were pretty much dispensing themselves. 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But what tells me that they were still considered members of the community, although really at the margins, would have been that letter telling them to decide by January 1st to come 25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They, that means critically, their status was not clear. 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Not even clear in their own minds, but they hadn't really, her letter doesn't seem to say that we have left the community. 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just going, they're leaving outside the community. 25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to go by the name sister. 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So, to me, it seems that letter that they received, telling them about January 1st, if you look for their backward, it means they were still considered members of the community. 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So, she was still a sister then, when she was abducted and killed. 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be my point. 25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I guess that helps explain the next question that, okay, they're supporting themselves, but they're still nons, correct, but they're not really, they're not really nons, they're sisters. 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What none of them are, oh, that's a good question. 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I didn't know. 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all nuns are sisters, but not all sisters are nuns. 26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So the difference is a nun lives in a coistered monastery religious house, Convent Abbey. 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And she takes the solemn vow of poverty, chastity, and obedience, and a vow of stability. 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a nun. 26:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And that and active sisters or sisters who live the apostolic life are sisters. 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We're, they call us nuns. 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just shorthand in pop of the culture. 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's easier to do because you wear a hat that you're not. 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But we take simple doubts, the poverty, chastity, and obedience. 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: A sister who takes a solemn vow, oh, even for us, because we're a papal community, we have to be dispensed. 26:55 [SPEAKER_01]: If we want to leave, we have to be dispensed through that, if they're that again. 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So the solemn doubts are harder to be dispensed from. 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So a non-inacroistured community, she can be dispensed. 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's more, let's say it's more legal work. 27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: to be dispensed from your vows if you're in a cloistered community. 27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that makes sense. 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, beginning to but I never knew that. 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you I have a request and your writer, could you do like the content for dummies? 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be excellent resource because I had no idea that none can just show you are a sister. 27:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a sister, but you're not a non. 27:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I am not a non. 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very interesting. 27:57 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank you very much for watching this video, thank 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