0:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 0:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We also think that Kathy was probably moved. 0:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think if it happened right after Jean was shown Kathy's body. 0:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If you remember Sharon Schmidt saying that her dad said, do you want to know why I drank? 0:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we killed a woman and put her behind the shop. 0:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of you have been over there and we're not encouraging you to go over there, but behind the shop, backs up to railroad track. 1:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that now interstate 95 also crosses there, so please do not go walking across that railroad track. 1:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to feel bad if any of you get killed by a train because you can't get to the 1:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So you would need to go around the other way if she was left behind the shop. 1:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible that Jean may have been taken to a wooded area there. 1:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And then perhaps, mascal panicked and thought, this is just a position. 1:35 [SPEAKER_01]: What if Jean brings somebody back here? 1:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Jean's got brothers or dads a cop? 1:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She could have remembered. 1:42 [SPEAKER_01]: and taken someone back there and then Maskel's goose is cooked right away because she could have exposed them all. 1:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that he had Kathy moved. 1:56 [SPEAKER_01]: My again theory, which I have no evidence to prove 2:11 [SPEAKER_01]: getting a blanket or a rug out of the nun's apartment, it's possible that happened like weeks after when everything died down and it wasn't like ming with cops and looky lose, it's possible that they could have either broken in to the sister's apartment when Russell wasn't there, could have been what she was at school. 2:34 [SPEAKER_01]: it's possible they could have picked the lock. 2:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they had a key. 2:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They were neighbors. 2:40 [SPEAKER_01]: My neighbor has my key. 2:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I have all my neighbors keys. 2:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's say they got in. 2:47 [SPEAKER_01]: A blanket would not be as noticeable missing as a rug would be if they went in and took a rug off the floor somebody's going to notice that a blanket out of a closet not so much and think about why they might do that if they took a blanket out of their own apartment. 3:07 [SPEAKER_01]: whose fibers and crumbs and hairs were going to be all over it. 3:12 [SPEAKER_01]: This one would have had Kathy and Russell's. 3:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So they were not rocket scientists, but they were thinking ahead. 3:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It is possible that they may have taken a blanket out to where Kathy was and put her in that blanket and moved her to the spot where she was found. 3:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll also add another major reason why bodies are moved after their killed in a certain place is for that very reason because it's a less, it's much less likely that you'll find evidence of the killer compared to a place where they just strangled and did whatever to someone. 3:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So are you saying that if a body is found where that person was murdered, the crime scene is going to give you more evidence about what happened. 4:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, rather than let's say a blanket or sheet, the person is rolled up in it moved without being exposed and put somewhere and that's it. 4:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 4:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So if they're aware of evidence, which we believe that police were involved, so I'm sure they would have been aware of this. 4:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If they're going to go into sister Kathy's apartment to get a blanket to ensure that their own fibers is not a part of this crime scene, they're going to dump her that I can foresee that the reason they're doing that is because of an evidence reason. 4:43 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, if someone were to hear we are in your kitchen, if someone were to be killed here, that person is likely focused on the act of killing, not necessarily on, I need to make sure my hair doesn't get put on this floor. 4:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It would take a lot to clean up a space between sure that stuff's not found. 5:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's much easier to get a blanket from her apartment. 5:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It would only 5:13 [SPEAKER_00]: move her to another location and then use that location as the dumping point. 5:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 5:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So all of that. 5:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 5:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And if she was actually originally in a wooded area that they moved her from, that would be almost impossible to find that area in the woods. 5:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing's there anymore. 5:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And because there's indication that perhaps both Edgar and Billy Schmidt were involved, 5:41 [SPEAKER_01]: their DNA would definitely have been found at the murder scene and so if they were involved in moving her and they used something from the nun's apartment, it wouldn't be as likely correct. 5:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I also add two things. 5:57 [SPEAKER_00]: One, you've seen the keepers where Kathy's body was found. 6:06 [SPEAKER_00]: have been bothered a lot by people stopping and trying to get into the woods. 6:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So please do not go to the property. 6:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Do not go to the property. 6:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Two, Jim mentioned the box girl just to make sure that you are aware of the box girl episodes. 6:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Jim and I work together on those episodes prior to this series. 6:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't long after the keepers were out, was out. 6:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It was basically about basically we were following up on a lead. 6:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So we call it the box girl because a lady said that she had a box of information. 6:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can still find that episode in the feed of the podcast very early on. 6:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year, if you need help finding that, you'll find it on her podcast's page. 6:52 [SPEAKER_01]: along with my apology for putting the whole world to work, because I am not easily dupped, but whoever scammed us with that story did their homework on this case so well and knew so much that I just happened to say something about what was the lady's husband's name and right away the girl I was talking to said Edgar. 7:16 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't bring it up. 7:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I asked his name. 7:19 [SPEAKER_01]: If you listen to the podcast, you'll understand what happened and why the person did it. 7:25 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people were hurt in addition to some of the people who lived in that same state, who were not sure who we were or what we were doing. 7:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of asking a lot of questions now, please go back and listen to those two episodes. 7:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If anybody out there is a scriptwriter, I would love to write with you, this would make a really outstanding movie made for TV and I'm serious about that. 7:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So going back to Father Mass School, this is, of course, after Kathy was found in January of 1970, we know that between 1970 and 75. 8:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Moscow lived and he assisted at St. Clement. 8:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Climans is a Clements. 8:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Clements with a T. Fake Clements. 8:15 [SPEAKER_00]: While he was still serving at Kio, for some reason some people believe that he was well-moved immediately following Kathy's bodies being found over that's not the case. 8:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He was there until was at 1975. 8:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 8:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We think Lee was the reason that he was removed Kio. 8:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, if you didn't hear a little upset, go back and listen to it. 8:37 [SPEAKER_00]: life can get overwhelming and talking to someone can make all the difference. 8:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode, make starting therapy simple. 8:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Complete a short questionnaire and you'll be matched with a licensed therapist and as little as a couple of days. 8:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You can connect by message, phone or video, from wherever you feel comfortable. 9:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And if the first therapist isn't the right fit, 9:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Better help include a journal for personal 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know that from things that we've heard when he was removed from KEL didn't the principal tell him he had 15 minutes to get us things to get out. 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That is one of the urban legends. 10:16 [SPEAKER_01]: However, I have a friend. 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I've lots of friends. 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, they out. 10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: have a friend who told us that she had lunch with that none around the time the capers was coming out and that that sister said that didn't happen. 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: She was about the reason that Maskel was moved from Kio and that might have been a cover story because Shane and I really believe as does lay that in 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of that school year, which was 1975, Moscow was taken out of Kyoto. 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So Malole, quote, did fix it, but moved him to the Catholic Center. 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: which is the headquarters of the archdiocese downtown, which I've heard is also called pedophile central, because that's where the pedophile priests are placed after the archdiocese gets sick of moving around. 11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They put him right in the same building with the archbishop, or the bishop, to keep an eye on them. 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Moscow was with the division of schools in that building at the Catholic Center, 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: for five years, and during that time, he had access to foster children. 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Part of his job was to evaluate foster children for the organization called Catholic Charities to determine their placement in foster homes. 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know. 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So we also know that there were some young people, teenagers from one of the local Catholic high schools who were getting like work credits for doing filing and helping Moscow in that office at the division of schools who quit because they said he was so weird. 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know whose idea it was to put him with the most vulnerable population you can imagine, which is foster kids. 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He also had access to probably anywhere he wanted to go in the archdiocese. 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And we know during that's when he showed up at the Catholic Community Mental School. 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: and was part of the evaluation of the young man that reported John Merzbacher and the principal sister Eileen Weissmann as having a sexual relationship, masculine-valuated, quote, evaluated that young man. 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He was 12 years old. 12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He was in the seventh grade. 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He was terrified. 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He told me and made sure that young man was sent to a residential mental hospital. 13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I am speechless. 13:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Between 1980 and 1982, we know that Moscow served at a non-seeration. 13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We had never heard of any abuse situations at a nonceation. 13:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We have been diligent and have used all of you as our resources and have found that there was indeed abuse every parish where Moscow was assigned. 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But we thought it was really an anomaly that we couldn't find any evidence at a nonceation. 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And what we found out, thanks to Alan Horn, 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And said that he was part of either the Boy Scout troop or the altar boy group, and that he had indeed been abused by Moscow in the rectorate at an unseation. 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've learned in the last five years that it's much more difficult for men to come forward when they've been abused by another male. 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: because of that stigma of homosexuality, which has nothing to do with pedophilia, but this young man came forward and said that the whole group of boys was abused and that they were not comfortable coming forward, but that mascal would invite, and I'm sorry, I don't know if it was the, I think it was the alter boys. 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: they would be invited to the directory on Friday nights to watch movies and maskell would take them one at a time upstairs to his quarters and I guess we know what happened there so that pretty much tells us why we didn't get 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: reports of abuse from that parish because it was young boys and one of them was the one that came forward and told us that they were all abused by him. 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Between 1982 and October of 1992, we know that Father Masker was the pastor at Holy Cross parish. 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We also know that in 1990, that's when the whole fiasco came about very documents and Holy Cross is a correct 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, we have noted that we have a police report from 1989 that states that masquerque complained that a family threatened him, saying that their mother's body had not been buried where it's supposed to be in Holy Cross, and there was a story that came forward about 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: to address that. 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That was Abby's, she worked so hard on that. 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: She found a family that she found the police report. 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The family did indeed charge him because the mother of the family had been buried. 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And when they came back to visit the grave, she was not there. 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: she had been moved. 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the headstone was moved somewhere else. 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And when they when they saw answers for that, he told them that he needed that plot for something else. 16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So my suspicion is that there's other stuff buried there. 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think bodies of missing people, but I do think that there are documents buried there. 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If you remember Dr. Lee Richmond talked to him on the phone 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there were a lot of things buried there because we've heard stories of graves not being where they were supposed to be or of him reassigning headstones. 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Boy, I'm sure which we had on a like a sonogram so we can see what's under the ground there at Holy Cross. 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But I have a feeling there's a lot of stuff that that Joseph Maskel left behind. 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's anyone out there that has ground penetrating radar, we would love to meet with you. 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Or if you if you have relatives that are buried there, please go over there and make sure that they're still their headstones are still where you know they're supposed to be buried. 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We even know of abuse that happened in that cemetery with the daughter of someone who was being buried there. 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So in 1990, we know that is the time period when Masque was burying those documents in Holy Cross. 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: From news reports, we know that multiple pickup track leads a boxes. 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They were buried with the help from another man who we know as... 17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your story. 17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your story, correct? 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Which just to add a little bit the next couple episodes we will be doing an episode about the burial in the documents and the things that we're coming from that which includes a video right going to be cool so you're going to have the opportunity to see something that was not in the capers because we didn't know it existed until after the capers aired. 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: right, which includes Mr. Story. 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So in January of 1991, that is when Cemetery Caretaker who helped bury the documents, do we know as Mr. Story? 18:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when he was fired. 18:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Holy Cross. 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: correct. 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened was that Mr. Story, who was the groundskeeper for the Holy Cross cemetery, lived on the property. 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: There's an old white house there. 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He had eight children. 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, we respect their privacy. 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They do not live there anymore. 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They do not want to be bothered. 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We respect that. 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: This has been really traumatic for everybody involved. 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: When I can tell you is that mascal hired him to dig a hole. 18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Look around your house is the hole was 12 by 12 by 10. 18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the size of a bedroom. 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And three truckloads of boxes and trash bags were delivered and dumped in that hole. 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And Moscow instructed Mr. Story to fill it in and plant it with grass seeds so that nobody would ever know it had been disturbed. 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this is not in an obvious place in the cemetery. 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: in the any place where the keepers filmed. 19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They went back later and found the spot. 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very difficult to get to. 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's way back on a fire road. 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Please do not go over there. 19:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get stuck. 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: My Jeep got all scratched up and got stuck in the dirt and ruts and please don't do it. 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, deep throat, who is an officer who helped us with this whole story. 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Story got in touch with 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: and told him what happened, and that he had buried everything, and in between two of the truckloads, Mr. Story took some of the materials and looked at them, and they were pictures of young women without their tops, so with that deep throat figured, we could get 20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So he and his partner went to church where Maskel was saying, masks. 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: and they found out which mass he was going to say and they went to that one and a different priest came out on the altar and deep throughout went up to communion and instead of saying body of Christ the priest said he went out the back door. 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So the officers left, they had a warrant 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So, back to the cemetery, deep throat reports that all this stuff is buried. 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Story had been blackmailing, mascoe, and mascoe didn't want him to tell, but then mascoe fired him. 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, Story's going to tell the place. 21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The archdiocese shows up, the police shows up, Mr. Story shows up, reporters, 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And what you were going to see on the Facebook page for out of the shadows is video tape of the stuff that was in the hole or the last few pieces of it, what we did was we took that video. 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: and I had a couple of folks I was working with among all of you who were kind enough to help. 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: One of them was a photographer. 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Her name is Jesse and she was a very wise person and knew what she was doing. 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She was able to enlarge the still pictures of what was in the hole. 21:51 [SPEAKER_01]: She contacted the American Psychological Association. 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We found out that those documents were indeed psychology tests and personality tests that Maskel was not authorized to administer. 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You can read some of the scores. 22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You can see parts of signatures. 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody specific. 22:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Also in the whole, we were able to see the directory of all the families who would have been part of Holy Cross Church, not that there's anything wrong with that. 22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We had like a directory of everybody that was in the parish. 22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What it illustrates is that Moscow was indeed administering tests. 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not authorized to administer. 22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the questions were bizarre, like how open are you to suggestion? 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever been hypnotized? 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: is hard for you to trust people. 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So he took all this information. 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He was giving the fresh man these tests. 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank God I was already a sophomore junior or I would have had to take it. 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was picking out his prey, which yes it's disgusting, but that's how he found a lot of girls by reading the results of those tests. 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a lot of what was in the cemetery. 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where all that is. 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We were told that three truckloads is a lot that it was all taken to lease headquarters. 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The Holy Cross cemetery is in 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But the parish is involved in more city. 23:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little confusing about where everything ended up. 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We were told it was destroyed in a flood in an evidence room. 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: If evidence is damaged in a flood, it has to be destroyed because it's not authentic. 23:51 [SPEAKER_01]: A different story I heard was that all of that evidence 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it was underground in plastic bags for two years and wasn't destroyed. 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say those bags might have been fairly waterproof. 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just like, John, I'd want to be private eye, but if it survived, yeah, if it survived underground for two years, maybe a flood wouldn't have damaged it. 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, also told that it was moved, 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: and storage containers to Fort Maid, where the FBI keeps materials, and then in the last month I heard that it had been moved not there, but to Fort Hallabird, which is in Dundal, in Baltimore City, which actually might make more sense. 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So right now we have no idea if anybody has connections or wants to do some research and reach out to the people that are in charge of the storage containers and either of those army bases, we would love to have your help. 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1992, that is when the Dauro case came up. 25:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, everyone should be already familiar with the Dauro case. 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that between October 1992 and April of 1993, Father Masco was sent to a psychiatric hospital in Connecticut, where he was there for just under six months. 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The place was called the Institute of Living. 25:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They evaluated him and deemed him 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: In January 1993, to be exact, January 10, 1993, Father Maskell's mother dies. 25:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Maskell starts to handle the selling of our home, and he is blaming her death on the scandal from the dough broke eggs. 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: just a little side fact that I thought was very interesting. 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: March 18th 1994, Masquer was in charge as I mentioned of selling his mother's home. 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So the home closes, the home cell closes, the buyer reports when they purchased the home that the home contents were all just dumped 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: When they were working in a dumpster, they found a TV which had a horde of cash inside. 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting. 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And that gentleman that bought that house told me that when the dumpster, when the TV was put in the dumpster, they couldn't get the lid down on the dumpster. 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So when they pushed it at jarred the TV, and he said the cash flew out into the street all around the dumpster, which was like, 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: who knows. 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So his mom was putting her cash inside the television set. 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So in December of 1994, that is when the cemetery pit was dug up that Jimma just mentioned say best she's that. 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Another interesting fact, August of 1994, Father Masco actually returned to the Institute of Levy 27:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's a story that a Baltimore City police tried to arrest him in a church at St. Augustine during Mass. 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Mass go rain out back and fled, but there's also a newspaper story that says that he had asked the archdiocese. 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: if he could just go back to the Institute of Living for anxiety from the scandal. 27:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, he's blaming the scandal from the derro case on his need to go back to the Institute of Living. 27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: For the end of 1994, Moscow was placed on a administrative leave. 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And that means he would have been removed from St. Augustine's. 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's when Dr. Lee went to see Moscow and saw that he had written about abuse of children and 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: that he had been pretty much duping her all through their friendship. 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: In October of 1995, Father Mass School started living with Robert Hawkins, who was the pastor at St. Rita's? 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know anything about that? 27:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 27:59 [SPEAKER_01]: This was after the whole cemetery dig thing was over, and he was hiding out at St. Rita's. 28:06 [SPEAKER_01]: by their Hawkins protected him. 28:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people have suggested that by their Hawkins, Robert Hawkins was brother-bab. 28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not likely. 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Other Hawkins was a parish priest who pretty much kept to the St. Rita's parish in Dundock, but he certainly did protect Moscow, and it was during that time that 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So Lieutenant Scenal very often because St. Rita's in that area in Dundock is very close to the Lee station and the fire station where he could have been hanging out with law enforcement guys. 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: In May of 1995, the Doreau case first masqueror and everyone else that was involved, which was the sisterhood of Notre Dame. 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: school sisters of Notre Dame. 28:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 28:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And also the OBGYN. 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You mean who was charged? 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It was all perfect. 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The Archbishop Gail High School, the school sisters of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of Baltimore, the Archbishop, Dr. Christian Rector, and Reverend Joseph Maskel. 29:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It may have 1995 29:15 [SPEAKER_01]: correct on a technicality. 29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That was because the retrieval of repress memory was not admissible in court at that time. 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And although Jean had remembered it within the last three years, it had happened a long time before that. 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was thrown out. 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That wouldn't happen today. 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1998, we know that Moscow returned from Ireland to the US. 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We believe that 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: correct. 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And we also know from some Irish newspapers, and we're hoping to be able to talk to some of those writers that he set up a private counseling office in Wexford, and was working with, I believe, addiction, addictions for children and children who have been abused. 30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: and the town had no idea what his background was. 30:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, at one point, he requested to be a part of a certain priest order, because he had been relieved of his priestly faculties here in the United States, and they needed to know where he came from. 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So when they contacted the Baltimore Archdiocese, 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: was. 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no, what does it call it when somebody comes for is arrested and brought back to another country? 30:46 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no extradition between Ireland and the United States. 30:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was no way we quite have arrested him and had them send him back. 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: but because he asked to join this water race, he gave himself away and they sent him back. 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where we're turned in 1998. 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We know from a source that he was living at little sisters of the poor place. 31:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Until he had a stroke, and then he went to Stella Maris, nursing home, which is in Towson. 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where low he was nip went to see him in a red suit under the premise that she were looking at finding a place for her somebody in her family and she is the one that said she just wanted to make sure it was him and she said he had dementia. 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like not there. 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of you have written and said maybe you got a lobotomy and maybe this happened. 31:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We have no evidence of that. 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But frankly, 31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: late 50s is very young to have the kind of stroke he did because mind away, not that any of us are upset about that, but it is unusual. 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: On May 7th, 2001, we know that Father Maskell died at St. Joseph Hospital. 32:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We have that he died of pneumonia, of heart failure in a heart attack. 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct. 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And coincidentally, St. Joseph's hospital is the same hospital where Moscow was taking kiosk students for what was built to ensure and as a DNC. 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And we know now that those procedures were done after hours by Dr. Christian Richter. 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And we would really like to talk to anybody who worked at St. Joseph set that time, either nursing or some in some other capacity and if there's anybody who feels the need to talk about if they were one of those survivors that was taken there for a medical procedure and would like us to help them find out more. 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Please let us know you can message me you can message Shane we're both pretty easy to find But that is an area that the attorney general very much would like to investigate Richard Wolf is talking to anybody who is an abuse survivor of clergy And that would include if you were taken to see Christian Richter by Joseph Maskel or had a surgical procedure 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: you're done by Richter that you don't understand what it was or why it happened. 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of survivors who have come forth that were very young and are trying to remember why they were there, what happened, and we know that what could have been early abortions were built to insurance as 33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: a surgical procedure called a d and c. So we really need you guys to help us out with this we're still digging and we still need to be crowdsourcing because you've been amazing and I don't know how we would have gotten this far without everybody all over the world helping. 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Something else to note, in 2001 when Father Masquerade, several survivors went to the funeral home, which was named in his obituary because they wanted to confirm with their own eyes that he was dead. 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But when they went to the funeral home, he wasn't there. 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He was actually at a different one. 34:22 [SPEAKER_01]: When Maskel died, he was listed as being lying in state at Rocks in Telsin near Baltimore. 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've talked to one woman who went there and was told he's not here. 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He's at another funeral home in Dondog. 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Now those two places are not even close. 34:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a 45-minute ride. 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So we were trying to 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Rucks knew who he was and didn't want to have a riot in the parking lot at the funeral home of all the people that he had ever heard or maybe it was designed that way to make it hard for people to find him but the woman I spoke with she did she went down to Dundock she went to the funeral home where he was. 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: She said she walked in. 35:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He was laid out in his priestly vestments and the only person there was his sister. 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: She felt like his sister was really happy to see somebody that had come. 35:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, all she really wanted to do was to make sure he was dead. 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So she looked at him. 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He was dead. 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: She said, there was a huge crosshanging over him. 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And she thought to herself, 35:48 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching 36:24 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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