0:11 [SPEAKER_01]: This is Jama and Shane and today we're going to talk to you about the cemetery dig. 0:39 [SPEAKER_01]: and its contents at the Holy Cross Cemetery where Joseph Moscow was the pastor. 0:46 [SPEAKER_01]: This was mentioned in the capers and just to refresh your memory in the 1980s, Moscow was stationed at Holy Cross Parish in Baltimore. 1:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the church itself is in Baltimore City. 1:09 [SPEAKER_01]: in Glen Burnie, which is part of Anne Arrando County. 1:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And the priest lived not right where the parish church was, but they lived in a priest house in one Warren Street in what an area of Baltimore that's called Federal Hill. 1:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you know the inner harbor, you look across the harbor towards the science center. 1:35 [SPEAKER_01]: you can see a big hill, federal hill sits up high and there's a beautiful neighborhood behind it. 1:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Warren Street is parallel with federal hill. 1:46 [SPEAKER_01]: There was also a wrecked tree that was attached to Holy Cross Church and Maskel did live there at one time. 1:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He originally lived in the priest house on Warren Street with several other priests. 2:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Among those was Father Carney, you've heard of his name. 2:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's also on the Bishop's Accountability list as an abuser priest. 2:13 [SPEAKER_01]: the two of them lived in the priest house with several other priests. 2:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We have heard also from the housekeeper and the housekeeper's daughter that they were continually cleaning up pornography from those guys. 2:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who knows what was going on over there? 2:33 [SPEAKER_01]: What we are going to talk about today is the 1992 burial of materials in Holy Cross cemetery. 2:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Before we start talking about that, I wanted to bring up just slightly about why all 2:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so while mask was at the church, there was actually an incident where someone was complaining that their loved one wasn't where they were buried, right? 3:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct. 3:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a family who's the mother died and the family picked out the burial plot. 3:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a funeral and when one of the children of the woman came back, 3:23 [SPEAKER_01]: her very plot was not where they expected it to be. 3:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And when Masco was questioned, he said that he needed that plot for something else. 3:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, he filed a charge against this family for harassment, and he probably can actually go online and find, if not, I'll make sure Shane can put it on the 3:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He charged the family and said they were harassing him. 3:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the pastor. 3:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He had to make these decisions. 3:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've always felt like there was more stuff buried there. 4:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And that maybe family plots were used to bury other materials in the cemetery. 4:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So why don't you talk to me about how the video we're about to watch in a bout? 4:15 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, after the keepers came out, 4:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I did a story with Christian Schaefer who is a wonderful reporter with WMRTV. 4:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You can go to Christian Schaefer's fans and see this video yourself, but we are going to post it on the page for you so that you can look at it with us. 4:38 [SPEAKER_01]: This was not in the keepers. 4:41 [SPEAKER_01]: the tripod media folks, Ryan White, Jessica Hargrave and John Benham, the photographer did not know of its existence until we did a story with Christian Schaefer and he started looking. 4:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Now what happened was he knew that at some point a video was made of the day that the 5:07 [SPEAKER_01]: from the cemetery. 5:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And he told me that Christian is really an investigative reporter. 5:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't just report on TV. 5:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes digging for us. 5:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a great advocate. 5:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he went into the archives in, you know, the room where all the video tapes are kept. 5:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And some of you might not know what a VHS tape is, but there were a lot of VHS tapes. 5:34 [SPEAKER_01]: There about the size of a book. 5:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty big. 5:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And you would have to have a, what's the player of VHS? 5:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 5:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So he went looking. 5:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He was looking for the date that of the cemetery 5:50 [SPEAKER_01]: and in looking he found a tape that was on the shelf there's nothing cyber about this it wasn't digital it was actually a physical tape and he looked at the date on it and looked at the news stories because they all would have been on one tape and when he opened the cover of it there was written in like pencil or whatever something to the effect 6:14 [SPEAKER_01]: of papers and cemetery. 6:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The board priest might have been in there. 6:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So with that, he pulled the tape off the shelf and then began looking for a VHS player to put it on. 6:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He did locate one in the studio. 6:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's WMAR. 6:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I really recommend that you follow Christian because he's a great reporter, 6:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He would he found they found one machine in their studio that would play this thing So they played the tape it's gonna be I think it's about a minute long a little bit longer than a minute And I'm gonna walk you through it as we look at it But what he did was played it and then I guess Jane you can explain how they would take it from a VHS format to something else 7:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so right now if you're not already go on to the out of the shadows discussion page on Facebook, if you're not a member into the questions to get in, but you'll find around the same time that I'm sharing the photo that there is a video and this is going to be the video of the cemetery day that we're going to be talking about, so if you go ahead and find that you can push play when we tell you, but it looks like from the video, this was probably footage that they captured. 7:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's raw footage. 7:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not something that has been produced for a new segment or something like that. 7:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like from the video, they played it in a VHS player, but maybe they were using a recorder or a digital camera to record the VHS player playing the tape. 7:53 [SPEAKER_00]: because you'll notice in the video there's an actual a player is at the bottom and it's being recorded. 7:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so go find the video. 8:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a minute and nine seconds long. 8:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll give you a minute to find that. 8:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And while you're doing that chain, if you guys understood what he just said, good for you, because I'm not sure I understood it. 8:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But what you're saying is they actually took a, they did a, 8:18 [SPEAKER_01]: photo recording of what was on the screen. 8:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, from the VHS state. 8:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 8:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're playing the VHS into the VHS player playing it and then using a still camera to record on the TV or the screen. 8:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 8:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't I sound tax savvy? 8:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 8:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so I hope you're there now. 8:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not, listen and then you can find it later. 8:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Christian, we talked 8:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And we decided to do a story with it. 8:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So he did play this two summers ago, or I'm losing track. 8:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, came to Ocean City, talked to me about this. 8:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And we took a look at what was on the tape. 9:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you'll be surprised at what, and again, none of this was in the keepers. 9:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you missed the story on WMAR over a year ago, this will be new to you. 9:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So what you should be looking at is the back of a woman with blonde hair and a gentleman with a red plaid shirt. 9:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The man's name is Mr. Story, ST-O-R-E-Y. 9:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the groundskeeper for the Holy Cross Cemetery when Richie Highway and he lived in a house that was in the cemetery. 9:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Get seven children. 9:41 [SPEAKER_01]: be took care of the grounds. 9:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to, if you push play when I say play, you will be able to hear him talk to this reporter about what he was asked to do. 9:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I will add the beginning interview with Mr. Story. 9:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not audible. 10:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they had him hooked up with the mic yet, but after you see some more footage, then it goes, it jumps back 10:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So, first of all, I want to know how many of you were saying, oh, mg. 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where the priest lived, because that would have been a large place to leave every. 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So after the truck left, story, I guess he jumped down in the hole and took out some papers to see what was in there. 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And what he found was some photographs of girls with glasses open or no glasses on it all, would be what would be considered for an auger. 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And he took several of those hate pages. 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So when Moscow came back, or when the truck came back, it came back two more times. 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The materials were dumped into the hole, and story was told to use his backhoe loader, fill in the hole, and make it look like it was never disturbed. 13:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, keep in mind, this didn't happen in the middle of the cemetery. 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And what you saw in the keepers, that dirt in piles was not where all these documents were found, because it's off of a fire road in the very back of the cemetery. 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can say from personal experience that my jeep. 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: got stuck on trying to go down there and all scratched up. 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we decided that wasn't a good idea. 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But the filmmakers went back and tried to get a better picture. 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, back in the day, he filled the hole in. 14:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He planted it with grass seed. 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And nobody knew it was there. 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, because he had some of these documents, he began blackmailing. 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Joseph Mascol and Mascol paid to keep all this stuff out of the public eye. 14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Story had a large family and they have requested that we not bother them. 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They are long gone from that property. 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They live in different places, some in Baltimore. 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: but we respect their privacy, we would never ever approach them because they've requested that we don't. 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And as a side note, I'm gonna really 15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: make a comment about all of us respecting the privacy of the people that we're talking to because some listeners were some readers when different Facebook pages are reaching out to the people that were involved in the events in the keepers. 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And it isn't really fair, those folks put themselves out there, and we're going to ask you not to invade their private space. 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So moving on to the video that you saw, what the camera and was trash bags, black plastic trash bags, and in those trash bags, were lots and lots of psychological tests. 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, last year, I had a Facebook friend who was a photographer, and what she did was she took still pictures of what you all saw, and she enhanced them and enlarged them, and then three or four of us in different parts of the country. 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: were able to see exactly what the documents were. 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So in doing that, we identified the psychology test as a certain company that put the test out. 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And we found that Maskel would not have been ever given permission to administer those tests, only a psychiatrist for someone with a master's degree, 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: who was doing psychological testing, a psychometrist, would have been permitted to administer those tests. 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been told by many women who went to Kiyo that when they entered the school in their freshman year, masco-administered psychology tests to them, psychological profiles. 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So what we saw were some of the scoring sheets that would give you a number, and some of the numbers were relative to how likely would you be to follow suggestion? 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: how likely are you to be influenced by other people? 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, questions about sexual activity. 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that Moscow used raw shock pictures to try and get girls to talk about genitals. 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So all of this stuff that was in that hole, some of it was years and years of these tests that he gave girls a kilo. 17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Maskel also was at different places before Holy Cross. 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that he was at the division of schools in the Catholic Center from 75 to 80 before going to Holy Cross. 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And at that time, he was evaluating foster children to determine the best placement for them. 18:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if I need to say more about that, but what a vulnerable population 18:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So it looks like he asked Mr. Story to bury all this stuff but not destroy it. 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: His reason being is his reason that there was a burn on public there was a ban on public burning and he didn't want to break the law. 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 18:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So, what happened was, like, fast forward a couple of years. 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's this hole in the cemetery that's all been receded, grown grass, whatever. 18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And Mr. Story contacts a Baltimore city police officer and says he has some information for him. 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, if your name is Mr. Story and you're talking to a police officer, I guess the office is a little bit concerned is this like a real person or is this story. 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He meets up with him. 19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Story tells him his story and the officer reported back to his department about the cemetery gig. 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So on the appointed day, which is what you're seeing in the video, the police arrive and representatives from the Archdiocese arrive and I guess police officers were probably all over that place because I've been back to that cemetery and talk to the gentleman that now lives in that house. 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, he was too young to know any of this, but he said, he knows that the brave diggers who came to work that morning were all told to take the day off. 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And we actually talked to one of those gentlemen, and he said, when he got to his work in the morning, there were police cars and sedans all over the place. 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So they knew something was going 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: At that point, all of the employees were sent home, Mr. Story, meanwhile, had been fired by Joseph Maskel, one Christmas Eve. 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: how nice was that. 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was no longer living there. 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's off working somewhere else. 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The archdiocese brings in its own, I don't know if it was their own equipment, but their own person to dig everything up. 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And the police officer that is called deep throat shared with me when with our group that when he got there, he knew that the guy was digging in 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: because story told him where everything was buried. 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So he said, that's not the right place. 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He also remarked that there were like tire tracks from the backhoe loader over the accurate place, but that wasn't where they were digging. 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So what he did was he had somebody go and get Mr. Story off of his job, story came back whoever was working for the Archdiocese 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: story got on, bingo, he's in the right spot. 21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're looking at the video, you see how large that hole was. 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: My supposition is that the bags and the papers that you're looking at, if you can think about them being in a pile and a basement, if they're the first ones 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So that whole was full of materials that look like what you're looking. 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We also were able to enlarge one of the documents and saw that it was the Holy Cross parish directory. 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would have had the names and addresses of every single person in that parish. 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: How convenient for a pedophile priest to know where everybody lives and their phone numbers and most of the other materials as I said were psychological tests that he was not permitted to give now where to get this stuff there was another gentleman, not sure I'm going to call him a gentleman. 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: named Dr. Urban who was a psychometrist that the archdiocese had a contract with him and he would visit different schools and he would administer tests and he would interpret the results. 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He died this past year, so Gemma can't talk to him anymore. 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He told me that he expected my call and that he was very sad about what happened and what a great job we did with the keepers, but that he knew nothing. 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I've talked to fellow Kio friends who said they remember Urban, either giving them tests or being present, 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: when Maskel interpreted the tests for them. 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the results were always skewed. 23:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And the girls were told they were stupid, they were never going to become anything. 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing was that urban and Maskel could have looked at the accurate scores. 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: and determine what girls would be most susceptible to approaching and grooming. 23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is a very sad comment for me to have to make. 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is what Urban was part of this whole picture. 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like when all this was dug up, it was supposedly taken to an evidence room 24:11 [SPEAKER_01]: police department, we have been told by an ex officer who worked there at the time that indeed, around 2000, one of the hurricanes flooded that evidence for it. 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, my first question is, why did it just sit there for 10 years? 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: My second question is, what happened to it when it was flooded? 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Because friends, if it was underground, in plastic for two years, and in mud, and it wasn't damaged, then the stuff was still readable. 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing there like hair and fibers that you would worry about being damaged and not being able to be read. 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Those papers were readable. 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So we've always wondered where 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: officer friend told me if evidence is damaged, it has to be destroyed because of mold, and that will impact any accuracy in evaluating that evidence. 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's say it was destroyed after it was flooded, but I've also heard from someone that it may have been moved into a storage 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, in the last couple of weeks, I've heard that no, it was at Fort Halleburg. 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So we still have a big question mark about this. 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also I will add that although in the video, you don't see photos, we do believe there were photos present. 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, only does Mr. Story say that he took some of the photos and used them for blackmail. 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: deep throat says that he saw photos. 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course Sharon made says that she did not see photos of these children, but it's a beholder thing, sorry. 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd like to add that Sharon May was there, the day of the cemetery did not the burial. 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: She was there. 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: In the key 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We would love for Sharon to talk to us and give us her version of the story and we really don't use censorship and we would promise not to judge her because we would just like to hear what she would have to say on interrupted and we have reached out but Shane received an email that she would not be interested in doing. 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: At one point the Theresa tell us that there were 26:49 [SPEAKER_01]: was under the impression or her attorney during the duro case told her that there was a whole box of just things about Teresa and that would have been who knows what documents photographs. 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: she said she wants her box. 27:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And it probably, we don't know what happened to it. 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that Judge Kaplan probably had a chance to look at it, but what happened to it after that? 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if that was dug up, and all of this happened around the same time as the Do Road case was coming 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Tom Nugent commented that Phil Dantez, who was one of the attorneys during that time, said, those documents are somewhere in my attic. 27:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But I agree with Teresa. 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be first-hand evidence. 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And for some reason, you're your imagination. 27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not available anymore. 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll also add that you notice that in the video, all that stuff is in black trash bags. 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird that they'd be destroyed, but also you'll remember in the keepers that there was a segment where Abby was trying to find out what happened to the box. 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a, within the paperwork it said there was a box of exhibits, but she couldn't locate those box, that box of exhibits. 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Abby went to the archives in anapolis in Maryland to try and find everything she could on the Doe Roques. 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I went with her the first time and we found the person that provides the materials for you was able to find two of three folders. 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Abby went back on her own and we went with Tom Nuget one day and the third folder showed up and Abby bless her heart. 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: She's so smart and is so into research. 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: She would be able to look at a document and know she's not an attorney but she would know if it was significant or a copy of something I wept most of the time. 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: because it was so sad when I was reading and I was really losing focus on why we were there. 29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But when she went back to the time that you saw her speaking to the woman at the desk, that box of exhibits, whatever that means, was missing. 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't know what happened to it. 29:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I can say that after this happened, we understand, and this is urban legend, maybe. 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Since everybody's dead, I'm going to say it in, right, that Joseph maschool that day flipped out and had a panic attack and a tantrum on the kitchen floor in the rectory of Holy Cross. 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: when all this stuff was dug up. 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, by their way, W-O-I, which is familiar to many of you, I call him the archdiocesan fixer. 30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He escorted Moscow out of the Holy Cross rectory. 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And at some point, Moscow went to live with Robert Hawkins. 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: at the St. Rita's Parish in Dundal. 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And we know that nearby, the police department and the fire department, they would all mix it up with Moscow and Lieutenant Skinna. 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So just one little additional piece of information. 30:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Important piece, mate. 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you again, everybody for listening, and do you want to give a little idea, 30:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be doing in the next couple of weeks based on our trip. 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this will be the last time during this trip that and according to Jim and her house that Wednesday, we were we had the we were able to go into Baltimore. 31:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had the opportunity to go into Baltimore and visit a lot of people who we've interviewed and visit a lot of the important places that happened not only in Kathy's case, but also Joyce's case. 31:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So, in the future, you can look forward to hearing from the Malakis, hearing more information about Kathy's case, and Joyce's, and what else do you have to say about that, Jim? 31:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really productive, but as a teacher, I had reservations about it, because this is not a happy field trip, and I so love and respect the people who were willing to give us their time that day, and we're going to talk about where we went, what happened, but 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: we are going to make a personal request from all of you because if you're on this podcast age, you know that the standards for respect and kindness are probably higher than any place else. 32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to ask you not to try and visit any of the places we talk about. 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Many of them are on private property that we were given permission to visit and federal property. 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly federal property and we were escorted by a federal ranger to Joyce Malekki's body was found. 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So please, if you care about us and the mission and this journey. 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And Kathy and Joyce and other people from the keepers just please do not go to those places. 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not. 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We took a few pictures. 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not the homes of the Hollywood stars. 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really sacred ground and a lot of it was really sad and I know you're curious. 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: but please just respect those people who own those places. 32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want you to get arrested. 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We had permission and we were with law enforcement and we were with people who own those places. 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get yourself into trouble and just please keep loving and caring about the people who suffered. 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll add also just in closing that in the times when people do go visit those locations, it makes it much harder for people like us. 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: to be able to visit them in the future because they get so many people who start trespassing and then the people are not only the owners of the property but the people on the neighborhood and the community start to distress other people who are suddenly showing up for. 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not saying we're special and we deserve to be there. 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, a lot of the places had changed drastically. 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: drastically since the keepers filmed. 33:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't believe it. 33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're doing this to find out what happened. 33:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing this for entertainment. 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We want you to help us and we can crowd source and you've done a great job with that. 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're not special. 33:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just doing this for a reason not to just be driving by. 34:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, we do get more information in new tips and things. 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, a part of that may include that we might need to go back to a certain place to see something different that we didn't see before. 34:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And it can make it much harder for us to be able to be granted access to do that if so many people are flocking and trespassing. 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's also something to keep in mind because when we do receive new information, we don't want to release it unless we can verify to make sure that it at least seems like it could be accurate based on what we know and what people are telling us. 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks everybody, keep the faith. 34:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see this through with you. 34:54 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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