0:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, listener. 0:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're here. 0:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Take a seat. 0:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Next to the fire. 0:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark. 0:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The big break came from the pawn shops. 0:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean had been pawning items from our victims. 0:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Tools, missing from David's fear struck. 0:48 [SPEAKER_01]: A camera that belonged to Richard Mallory, other items linked to other victims, fought a law required pawn shops to take a thumb-prep from anyone hawking goods. 0:58 [SPEAKER_01]: In the Prince were on file, I mean, we're filling out pawn shop intake forms. 1:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been using the alias, Kami Marsh Green. 1:07 [SPEAKER_01]: A signed pond slip with a thumbprint in the name of Kami Marsh Green, was sitting in a Daytona Beach pond shop and another pond shop. 1:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Investigators ran the prints. 1:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Kami Marsh Green was not a real person, obviously. 1:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The Prince run against the larger fort of database, came back to a different name, Lori Grody. 1:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Grody in the database was tied to a 1986 charge in Volusha County for carrying a concealed weapon, plus a string of other small flags in the booking photos matched the woman who had pawned the goods. 1:41 [SPEAKER_01]: When the database keep those same thumb prints up against the Peter Sime's file, they came back as a match for the palm print on the interior door handle of a abandoned car. 1:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Three different aliases, one real person, when the Florida Department of Law Enforcement finally ran the consolidated print profile through the National Crime Information Center, they got the real name, Ileen Carol Warnos. 2:05 [SPEAKER_01]: A name becomes a different sort of thing once the system has it until the afternoon in a fort office. 2:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She'd been a series of aliases on a series of forms in small county files and small jurisdictions with nobody on the outside putting the pieces together. 2:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The name was what changed that, the thread that ran the seven counties into one fabric. 2:27 [SPEAKER_01]: By that point, the science composite sketches have been published in newspapers across Florida. 2:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Tips were rolling in. 2:35 [SPEAKER_01]: People in central Florida were calling in to identify the heavy set blonde woman in the sketch. 2:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The thinner woman in the second sketch was harder to place, but eventually the tips on Eileen produced a name for her companion. 2:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Tyremor, a motel made in Daytona Beach, that two of them, by then, had been together for four years. 2:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The Florida Department of Law Enforcement now had a name, a face, and a dress history that ran through a string of cheap motones along the Central Florida corridor, along a rest record under multiple aliases, a confirmed link to a missing minister's car, and a pawn shop trail 3:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What they did not have yet in the legal sense was probable cause to charge her with any of the seven murders directly. 3:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The pawn slips placed her in possession of stolen goods. 3:27 [SPEAKER_01]: None of it placed her in the moment of any of the killings with a finger on the trigger. 3:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The last resort is a biker bar in Port Orange, Florida, just south of Daytona Beach, weathered wood, low ceilings, neon bar signs, and outdoor patio, and clientele, heavy on motorcycles and hard drinking regulars. 3:47 [SPEAKER_01]: By 1991, I lean had been a semi-regular there. 3:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The booths, which part of the small building you went to, when you wanted to disappear into noise. 3:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The bar was replaced, anonymous and cheap, and loud enough to think. 4:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Gordorange and January sits in the part of the Florida calendar, the locals will tell you is the closest the state gets to or real winter. 4:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The temperature on the night of January 8, 1991, sat in the low 50s and dropped towards the upper forties after midnight. 4:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The sky and central fort of that time of year, away from the cloud cover of the summer convection, gets clear in a way it does not get in any other season. 4:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The stars were bright. 4:30 [SPEAKER_01]: A few miles east, the Atlantic was running its winter swell, and long slow lines under Ramoon, past form, and moving towards last quarter. 4:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The air had a dry mineral smell, the Florida coast gets in the winter, when the humidity has finally backed off, and the salt comes through cleaner than the rest of the year. 4:50 [SPEAKER_01]: A motorcycle parked in front of the bar got cold to the touch by midnight. 4:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Patrons on the outdoor patio, Warflannell. 4:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Florida cold is not the cold of any other state, but it is cold by Florida standards and our regular stress accordingly. 5:06 [SPEAKER_01]: On the night of January 8th, 1991, she was there, alone. 5:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Ty wrote by that point, had decamped a Pennsylvania to stay with family. 5:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen had been alone in central Florida for about two weeks, drinking, broke, running on fumes, officers had her under surveillance, 5:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The undercover plan was simple. 5:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The arrest warrant they had on her was deliberately not for any of the seven murders. 5:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a 1986 outstanding warrant and the name of Lori Grody for carrying a concealed weapon. 5:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the warrant they were going to walk her out on. 5:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason for using a small old Warren instead of a homicide charge was tactical. 5:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted her in custody before confronting her with the murder evidence, and a quiet booking and processing routine, rather than a dramatic interview room or feel. 5:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The work on her would start when she was already inside the system. 6:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Around midnight, two undercover officers walked into the last resort and approached her at the bar. 6:09 [SPEAKER_01]: that there was an outstanding warrant on Mori Grody, and asked her to come outside. 6:14 [SPEAKER_01]: She went, she was placed in an unmarked car, driven to the Vluxha County channel, booked, printed, photographed, and placed in a cell. 6:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I leaned cell with small. 6:25 [SPEAKER_01]: and metal bunk welded to the wall, a thin mattress, a thin pillow, a thin gray blanket folded at the foot, a stainless steel toilet with no seat, a small high window that did not open, glazed and frosted security glass, that let you know there is a lie on the other side without giving you any way to look at it. 6:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She'd been in souls before. 6:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The wife she'd been living since 15, had passed through 6:54 [SPEAKER_01]: In Michigan, on charges that ran the unremarkable American bullet from disorderly conduct, departing bad checks, to armed robbery, she had done 13 months in Florida in the early 1980s. 7:07 [SPEAKER_01]: She knew the steel bunks, the rubber sandals, the stamp on the back of the wrist, the press of the fingerprint card against the counter, the tone and a deputy's voice when speaking to a woman who had nothing left of her own. 7:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The cells themselves were not new to her. 7:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, was new to her? 7:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Was what was waiting on the other side? 7:26 [SPEAKER_01]: In the next morning, January 9th, 1991, the Florida Department of Law enforcement turdits attention to Tyre Moore. 7:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Tyre had left Florida about two weeks before I leans arrest. 7:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Her account, given later, was that she had begun to suspect Eileen was involved in the murders, and that she had needed to remove herself from the situation. 7:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether her suspicion was as belated as her accounts suggested, or whether she had known more earlier than she would later admit, is a question that has hung over this case for 34 years in that, depending on which book or documentary or interview you read, gets different answers. 8:05 [SPEAKER_01]: What's on the public record is that Tyra had returned to Pennsylvania, where she had family, 8:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Florida investigators tracked her down within 24 hours of Irwin's arrest. 8:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They put her in a hotel, explain the situation, offered her immunity from prosecution, and exchanged for her co-operation. 8:26 [SPEAKER_01]: She agreed. 8:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Investigators put Tyra up in a Daytona Beach Hotel for the next several days. 8:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They equipped the motel room phone with recording equipment, and had her call 8:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The premise of the cones, which Eileen had no reason to disbelieve, was that Tyra was scared, that Tyra was being investigated, that Tyra was at risk of being charged in connection with the murders, that Tyra needed Eileen to do something to protect her. 8:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen, by that point, had been in custody for several days. 8:57 [SPEAKER_01]: She had been read her rights and advised of the seriousness of the charges that might be coming. 9:02 [SPEAKER_01]: She had not, up to that point, confessed to anything. 9:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The Tyra phone calls, which I lean genuinely believed were just two over-stalking about a frightening situation, were the lover that broke her. 9:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the calls, I lean said the line that would eventually be replayed in court, in documentaries, and in movies. 9:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She told Tyra that she would take responsibility for everything that Tyra was not going to go down for this. 9:27 [SPEAKER_01]: that she was the one who had done everything and she had done it all herself. 9:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That sentence is the most important one I lean worn out ever spoke and explain the relationship between her and Tyra and how she understood her own moral position in the world. 9:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Tyra was the one person she was not willing to lose. 9:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The one she would protect at any cost. 9:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The one whose name she would not let go down. 9:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen was a person who had been wronged her entire wife by men, who would finally fall back against those men, and whose girlfriend was the only good thing in her world. 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a love that damaged Carrie Ford into their adult lives, a love willing to spend everything to protect someone who has given them a fraction of kindness or comfort. 10:17 [SPEAKER_08]: Hello. 10:18 [SPEAKER_07]: Hi. 10:19 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. 10:20 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. 10:20 [SPEAKER_07]: Hi. 10:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Hey. 10:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Here. 10:23 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to call you. 10:25 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to call you. 10:27 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't. 10:27 [SPEAKER_08]: What the hell is going on, Lee? 10:28 [SPEAKER_08]: They've called. 10:29 [SPEAKER_08]: They've been up to my parents again. 10:32 [SPEAKER_08]: They've got my sister now. 10:33 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm asking her questions. 10:34 [SPEAKER_08]: And what the hell is going on? 10:35 [SPEAKER_08]: Huh. 10:36 [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to ask them your specific questions. 10:40 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know. 10:45 [SPEAKER_08]: But you just leave. 10:46 [SPEAKER_08]: They're coming after me and then they are? 10:48 [SPEAKER_07]: No, they're not. 10:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Nothing. 10:50 [SPEAKER_08]: They've got to do it. 10:51 [SPEAKER_08]: Why are they asking somebody questions then? 10:54 [SPEAKER_07]: Honey, listen. 10:55 [SPEAKER_07]: Listen. 10:56 [SPEAKER_07]: Listen. 10:58 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to have to because she offers them to the cheetahs and see them say her. 11:05 [SPEAKER_08]: My family is in the risk of their remongers been calling me all the time. 11:09 [SPEAKER_08]: She doesn't know what the hell's going on. 11:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. 11:12 [SPEAKER_07]: She's got it to you. 11:13 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. 11:14 [SPEAKER_07]: Just fine. 11:15 [UNKNOWN]: Okay. 11:17 [SPEAKER_08]: What? 11:18 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not going to let you go to jail. 11:26 [SPEAKER_07]: You have a daily don't you love me any more you don't trust me or anything I mean you're gonna let me get in trouble for something that I didn't do I can't help but I'm scared shitless I don't know whether I should keep on living or if I should No tie time You live they don't believe me What? 11:48 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't want you to go to jail I haven't been stabbed myself 11:59 [SPEAKER_08]: I won't you do this. 12:00 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't come. 12:03 [SPEAKER_07]: It's nice and tight. 12:05 [SPEAKER_08]: Wait. 12:07 [SPEAKER_07]: I'll probably have a seat. 12:08 [SPEAKER_07]: I'll be back. 12:09 [SPEAKER_07]: I'll be back. 12:10 [SPEAKER_07]: Let me go. 12:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Be careful. 12:12 [SPEAKER_07]: I love you. 12:15 [SPEAKER_07]: If I have to come back, I'll be back. 12:19 [SPEAKER_07]: I'll be back. 12:19 [SPEAKER_08]: I'll be back. 12:20 [SPEAKER_07]: OK. Don't worry. 12:21 [SPEAKER_07]: OK. OK. 12:22 [SPEAKER_08]: I love you. 12:23 [SPEAKER_08]: I love you. 12:25 [SPEAKER_08]: I love you. 12:26 [SPEAKER_08]: I love you. 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Three days after the recorded call began, on January 16th, 1991, Ilymornos sat down with the Florida Department of Wall Enforcement Investigators, including Bruce Munster, and gave a video tape confession. 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: She admitted to all seven murders. 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: She maintained around the confession that all seven killings had been in self-defense. 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: She told the investigators. 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: In considerable detail, what each of the seven men had done to her, or attempted to do to her, in the moments before she pulled the trigger, the accounts had a sameness the investigators noticed immediately. 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Each man in her telling had become aggressive, attacked or threatened her, left her with no choice. 13:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The pattern was not seven different individual encounters, but a single template, applied seven times. 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The investigators let her talk as their questions, steered her back when she drifted, the tape ran for hours, by the time the confession concluded they had on a magnetic tape, the words that would eventually put it into the wife of Eileen Warnos. 13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Ilynawara Orange jumpsuit and her son in rubber sandals, her own clothes, the one she had been wearing at the bar, were bagged and tagged in an evidence locker, somewhere down the hole. 13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: She had been processed into the system at 147 a.m. on January 9th, 1991. 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: She was 34-year-old. 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: She laid down on the bunk, somewhere outside the building. 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The first of the local television trucks was already in the parking lot. 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: By morning there would be three. 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: By the afternoon of January 10th, there would be eight. 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: and the wire services would be on the phone with Volusia County Sheriff's Office, and the first headlines in the Florida papers would already be running. 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: America's first female serial killer, the woman who killed seven men, the hitchhiker prostitute who turned the tables for her Johns, the phrases that would become the public face of island Carol Warnos for the next 11 years were being set into print by editors who would never 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: In newspapers being prepared for delivery to purchase, she would never see. 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The cell was quiet, the hallway was not. 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Somewhere down the corridor, someone was screaming, somewhere a guard was walking, somewhere a door was being opened and closed and opened again. 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: A sound of a county jail on three in the morning has its own rhythm, the woman on the bunk who had known many county jails. 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: was listening to them in a different register than she had ever done before. 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: She would say later that she did not sleep. 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: She lay on the thin mattress with her eyes open and waited for the dawn that would none. 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: In any practical sense, ever come again. 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The version of Eileen Moreno who had walked into the last resort would not be in any room she entered after that again. 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The one who walked back out into the parking line handcuffs was already somebody the system had begun to process into a defendant. 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody whose face would be in the morning papers under headlines she would never get to challenge. 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: None of that reached inside the cell. 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The world that cared so little about her and her childhood that did so little to help her and her young adulthood. 15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Now cried out and righteous ignation for her blood. 15:58 [SPEAKER_03]: This prostitution at play here is part of what's happening here. 16:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, absolutely what's going on is about prostitution and to be as brief as possible. 16:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Women in prostitution are commonly sexually assaulted, raped, gathered, and run by customers. 16:12 [SPEAKER_04]: A study we did here in Minnesota, 20 women which reflects other studies around the country. 16:17 [SPEAKER_04]: So three-quarters reported assault. 16:19 [SPEAKER_04]: More than half were raped by a customer. 16:22 [SPEAKER_04]: almost 80% were beaten by customers. 16:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Three quarters of them were robbed by customers. 16:28 [SPEAKER_04]: A study presented to the gender bias study commission of the Supreme Court of Florida so that, in police sting operations often customers go to prep to the 16:39 [SPEAKER_04]: their arms with guns. 16:41 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think what Lee is talking about is that in common, although the general public isn't aware of the amount of abuse. 16:48 [SPEAKER_04]: This is not only against street prostitutes, just recently in the Twin Cities a brothel or so on. 16:53 [SPEAKER_04]: If you will, uh, was broken into by four arms men, they kidnapped a woman, she'll differ eight hours and gang rape her. 17:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So, we're looking at, in least case of what we see. 17:06 [SPEAKER_04]: adequately good. 17:07 [SPEAKER_04]: You definitely forced to defend herself against a real or perceived threat. 17:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, her weird experience, right her to believe that it was a real threat. 17:18 [SPEAKER_03]: But how do we have to have a no that? 17:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Terry Humphrey says her dad wasn't even looking for sex. 17:22 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think it's so sad that Terry will fix himself to face both the loss of her father and the possibility that he's definitely exploited another woman. 17:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately with the staff 17:36 [SPEAKER_04]: John is right middle class, middle age, he's married, he's children, this is the Derek Nick's store. 17:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And we'll never know if our chief conference in fact did attack only although the staff told us that it's quite possible. 17:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Or if he perceived it in the same way, or although that is yet known that who suffers some post-traumatic stress disorder may perceive a threat. 18:03 [SPEAKER_04]: When 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter 2. 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mallory trial. 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The decision the state of Florida made about how to prosecute island shaped the next decade of her life, she'd confessed to seven murders. 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Six of those killings had been charged in five different counties. 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The state could have prosecuted her and any one of them were all of them in any order. 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But the prosecutors decided to do was try her on Richard Mallory first in Volusia County. 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason was a strategic one. 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Mallory was the first murder, the killing she gave the most detail about inner confession, and the one where she had advanced the strongest self-defense narrative. 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: If the stake could break her on Mallory, the rest would be small fries. 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The trial began in January of 1992, in a Daytona Beach courtroom. 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: The presiding judge was Eurio Blount Jr., the lead prosecutor was John Tanner, the state attorney for Volusia County, a tough core room veteran with a reputation for going for the throw. 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense was led by an attorney named Trisha Jenkins, a public defender working a capital case on a fraction of the resources the state had against a confession the defendant had already given on tape. 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The state's case was overwhelming. 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They had her own words recorded, played for the judge, the pawn shop trail, the pawn print, the ballistic evidence, the bodies, and in the most consequent or procedural decision of the trial, the judge ruled that the prosecution can introduce evidence of the other murders under a fortest statue, called the Williams Rule, which allow similar fact evidence from other crimes to be admitted to a established modesty for R&I. 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So even though Eileen was on trial only for Richard Mallory, the jury was going to hear about Spears, Carscanon, Bores, Humphrey's, and Antonio, they were going to hear the pattern, the same 22 caliber bullets, body after body. 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The state was, in effect, allowed to try her for all seven killings, only formally charging her for one. 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: giving them seven chances. 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The Williams World decision was the single piece of legal architecture that made the conviction inevitable. 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Without it, the prosecution would have to make the Mallory Case stay on its own. 20:23 [SPEAKER_01]: In the Mallory Case alone, with Eileen self-defense narrative on the table, was at least theoretically winnable for the defense. 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: With the jury heard about a woman who had killed seven men in 12 months, and essentially the same way every time, once you put that pattern in front of 12 people in a Daytona Beach Corps room, no story Ileen could tell from the witness stand was going to walk her out of the door. 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense team objected to the Williams rule application. 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The objection was overruled. 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The pattern came in and decided everything. 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense decided to put her on the stand. 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the moment that decided the case. 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Highly in Warnow's testified in her own defense, she told the jury her version of what Richard Mallory had done to her, in the woods on the night of November 30th, 1989. 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She described the rape, the alleged autonomy, the rubbing alcohol, the threats, then John Tanner stood up to cross-examine her. 21:19 [SPEAKER_05]: What broke you up when broke that's a relationship? 21:24 [SPEAKER_06]: I told her to come to parents and she was going to have to just sleep with me and we made arrangements for her to take a bus and she told her parents and got ready to go out now. 21:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Like I said, I wasn't concentrating on any of the self defense or anything I was concentrating on. 21:46 [SPEAKER_06]: when I did in there and confessed that she's not involved in the work that just suddenly I am the person that's involved. 21:54 [SPEAKER_06]: She is not, I've got to clear her that she's big I'm wrong person. 22:00 [SPEAKER_05]: You never once said that Mr. Mowring tried to rob you, you don't tell her I'll be. 22:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Why should I? 22:10 [SPEAKER_06]: We weren't talking about Mallory, we weren't talking about any instances. 22:13 [SPEAKER_06]: All we were talking about, I mean, all I was thinking about, I mean, was to clear the tie from being that suspect of the sketches on that TV, cared about Tara, loved her to the max. 22:28 [SPEAKER_06]: I must have told her 25 times a day, I love you. 22:33 [SPEAKER_05]: We said it, Joe. 22:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 22:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for supporting that. 22:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Our most usually wasn't working. 22:40 [SPEAKER_05]: that what you've been telling you. 22:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I have supported her for all three and a half years. 22:46 [SPEAKER_06]: The last year she worked. 22:49 [SPEAKER_06]: But she made such a little money. 22:51 [SPEAKER_06]: I have to still work. 22:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, can you continue to tell the status that you worked all the time? 22:57 [SPEAKER_06]: No, she worked. 22:58 [SPEAKER_06]: I meant she worked all the time at Casa Delmar to directly talk about Casa Delmar when I say that. 23:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you also say all she did is go to work, go home. 23:09 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the way to work. 23:11 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the way to work. 23:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Now I don't need you to rush to because you made really good money. 23:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, right? 23:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. 23:22 [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, look, any piece was that you went out and sewed yourself, sit yourself, sit yourself. 23:34 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you get a stretch with three-daying guys each time. 23:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because it varies. 23:40 [SPEAKER_06]: You never know how many you're gonna have. 23:43 [SPEAKER_06]: You just keep hustling until the day is through. 23:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Your kids will only know the jobs aren't you done at work. 23:51 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't have the qualifications for the jobs. 23:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I've always been fired, and I've never been able to hold a job. 23:58 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think I know how to do this process. 24:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I see only thing I do want to do. 24:03 [SPEAKER_05]: You also like it, don't you? 24:06 [SPEAKER_06]: You like it. 24:08 [SPEAKER_06]: No, because you have to watch yourself and be careful and you've got to, you know, keep a level hand on your shoulders as it is a job. 24:18 [SPEAKER_06]: It's not exciting. 24:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I've been raped many times. 24:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And then never worked when I had weapons of other weapons. 24:30 [SPEAKER_06]: I never could have ended myself. 24:34 [SPEAKER_06]: would be defense. 24:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, how many times during the four and a year do you live with time or did you have to think yourself? 24:45 [SPEAKER_06]: I just read three times and there was two other instance where I had a gun that I didn't use it. 24:51 [SPEAKER_06]: They just cut their 24:54 [SPEAKER_06]: They're fine. 24:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Because I told you, yeah, he was starting to get physically do stuff to me. 24:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, this is a different story. 25:00 [SPEAKER_06]: I got to see it. 25:01 [SPEAKER_06]: So long ago. 25:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's why I'm telling you, and I hope you're an scary member of everything. 25:06 [SPEAKER_06]: You guys are asking me questions about these incidents as they happen. 25:10 [SPEAKER_06]: When my mind's focused on Tara, I only came here to stress on the one. 25:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm doing here talking to you guys about the other things. 25:16 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, well, should I even answer these questions? 25:19 [SPEAKER_06]: I really don't want to, and I'm also confused anyway when I start talking about them. 25:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Then I get mixed up with different people because you guys keep asking me, you know, okay, it's all right, take your time. 25:29 [SPEAKER_06]: And then you say, yeah, okay, I jumped out of the car or pulled my gun out. 25:32 [SPEAKER_06]: When you started to do physically, do shit to move with me. 25:36 [SPEAKER_06]: And now what kind of type of gun do you have? 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: What followed was a slow, careful dismantling, sentenced by sentence, against a nervous on-lean. 25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: She got angry on the stand, her temper, which had been a through-line her entire life, came out in front of the jury. 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: This version of herself, she presented under cross, was not the version of a victim, describing self-defense. 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the version of a woman who hated the men in her past, and who hated the man in front of her. 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Tanner walked her into contradictions she had been carrying for years. 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The shifts between her early confessions and the version she was telling now, the aliases, the pond slips, the pattern of the other six by the end of the cross-examination, the self-defense framing had not survived the room. 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: What the defense did not know when nobody outside of Mallory's home state of Maryland knew at the time of the trial, was that Richard Mallory had a 1958 conviction for assault with intent to rape, and four years committed to a maximum security correctional facility for treatment as a sex offender. 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That information would not surface until November of 1992 when a 26:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Rain Mallory's name through federal criminal records and found the file the trial detectives had not. 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: By then, Eileen had already been convicted. 27:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The information that might have given some way to herself defense narrative on the stand was a year and one trial to wait. 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The deadline discovery, when it broke in late 1992, did not save Eileen's life. 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The conviction was already in. 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The procedural windows for introducing newly discovered evidence about the victim's history into a completed first-degree murder case in Florida, or narrow. 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: In the appeals process that followed, never quite found a way to use what Gillen had found. 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: What the discovery did do was reframe the public conversation about the case. 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It was no longer possible. 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: After November of 1992, to stay with your full chest, the highly worn-offs had killed an innocent middle-aged man in those woods. 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The man she had killed had a documented history of exactly the behavior she said had happened in the Cadillac that night. 27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That detailed did not erase the other six killings. 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It did not make her into a hero, but it complicated the moral fabric of the Mallory case and a way that the trial had not allowed for. 28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the appellate work in the years after the discovery argued that her trial counsel had been ineffective for failing to find Mallory's record. 28:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The federal courts ultimately rejected those claims in the conviction stood. 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: On January 27, 1992, after about an hour and a half of deliberation, which is really sure for a case of the size, the jury convicted her first green murder. 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Four days later, on January 31, the jury recommended the death penalty. 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen reacted in the courtroom in a way that would be replayed in documentaries for the rest of her wife. 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: She turned to one of the prosecutors and shouted that she hoped his wife and children would be raped, made of scene gestures, and cursed at the jury. 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The cameras caught it all. 28:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The image of her mouth open, fury on her face, became the public face of Eileen Warnos for an entire generation of Americans who had never heard of her before. 29:00 [SPEAKER_06]: I am sorry that my acts of self defense ended up in court like this, but I take full responsibility for my actions. 29:08 [SPEAKER_06]: It was them or me. 29:09 [SPEAKER_06]: I am sorry for all the pain that my actions have caused. 29:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I am prepared to die if you say it is necessary. 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I sent it to you in case number 91. 29:18 [SPEAKER_02]: That's 463. 29:21 [SPEAKER_02]: To death for the murder of Troy Burris. 29:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Case number 91 dash 304. 29:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I sent it to you to death for the murder of Charles Humphrey's. 29:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Case number 91, dash 112, so it was county case number. 29:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I sent it to you to death for the murder of David Spears. 29:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you. 29:40 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'll be up in heaven while y'all are running. 29:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Hell. 29:46 [SPEAKER_02]: People handle that. 29:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We're getting off to the wall. 29:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll let you know. 29:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, there will be an automatic appeal. 29:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You have the right to an appeal. 29:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Glazer, is that going to be handled by you? 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably thinking it's going to be great. 29:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I would ask it to your right now. 29:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to solve this. 30:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll appoint the public defenders off this to handle the appeal. 30:05 [SPEAKER_02]: There's one other thing that I want to say that I think needs to be said. 30:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I know I was great. 30:09 [SPEAKER_06]: You weren't. 30:09 [SPEAKER_06]: None of that if I'm just stupid. 30:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore, these proceedings are pretty good. 30:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody who is right right to you. 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a stranger. 30:16 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm a stalker. 30:18 [SPEAKER_07]: Is that it? 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The talk shows the newspapers ran with it. 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The character of the angry, unhinged, unrepentive female serial killer was in the eyes of the American media, established that image, frozen in that one frame, is the version of island warnos, most of the country has carried since the J. Leno monologues use it. 30:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The political cartoons used it. 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The trading cards, a small four-to-company began producing in the early 1990s, used it. 30:50 [SPEAKER_01]: By the time the made for television movie aired in November of 1992, the screaming woman in the orange jumpsuit was, for the American media, who highly worn those swans. 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The complicated, broken, half-articulate person on the other side of that image had been replaced with a flat icon of female rage. 31:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Behind the image was a 40-year-old woman who had just been told the state of Florida intended to kill her and who had no real way to process that information. 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Except in the volume she had been processing things her whole life, she did not fight the rest of the cases. 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: In the months after the Mallory Conviction, Eileen made a decision that her own defense team did not support. 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: She decided to plead no contest to the killings of David Spears, Charles Carskiden, and Charles Humphreys. 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The plea agreement was entered in March of 1992. 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: A few months later, she would also plead no contest to the killings of Troy Burrass and Walter Antonio, six death sentences in total, including the Mallory verdict. 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: No charges were ever brought for the murder of Peter Simes, because nobody was ever found. 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The decision to stop fighting was an decision to expedient getting to death row. 32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: By the spring of 1992, Irina had concluded in her own way that the system was going to kill her and that the longer she fought, the longer she would have to sit in a county jail, watching it happen one piece at a time. 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: She wanted to be sentenced and get done with it. 32:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I killed those seven men. 32:24 [SPEAKER_06]: in first degree murder and robbery, and as they said they had it right, it's serial killer. 32:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Not so much like thrill kill. 32:32 [SPEAKER_06]: I was into the robbing biz. 32:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know, serial killers are in this thrill kill and jazz. 32:37 [SPEAKER_06]: I was into the robbing, just to eliminate a witness. 32:41 [SPEAKER_06]: But still then again, I got a number of serial killer. 32:45 [SPEAKER_06]: But I'm kind of claimed before I go in that execution chamber and be executed that I killed him. 32:51 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm being really straight up about everything. 32:53 [SPEAKER_06]: There's no cellity found, so I'm really sorry what happened about everything. 32:57 [SPEAKER_06]: I was in this this to me this world is none but evil and all of us are full of evil one way or another. 33:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And whatever we do. 33:08 [SPEAKER_06]: We have evil in us, all of us do. 33:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And my evil would just happen to come out because the circumstances of what I was doing. 33:19 [SPEAKER_06]: He had tried and hooking on the road. 33:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I was a homeless person all my life. 33:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And then the he had tried and hooking, I learned off the homelessness and cruising all the reunite states of America and stuff. 33:31 [SPEAKER_06]: And so learning how to be a hooker is a hitchhiker. 33:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Eventually got tiring in the end. 33:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I carried the gun for protection, but then I got where I was getting a real problem. 33:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Our rent was due to $1,200 behind. 33:47 [SPEAKER_06]: The tire was doing a lot of beer drinking and stuff. 33:49 [SPEAKER_06]: She won the go out all the time, so she was burning up the money I was making. 33:53 [SPEAKER_06]: I was making good, about 2,300 days, sometimes. 33:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I had a tire always knew everything I was doing. 33:59 [SPEAKER_08]: And I still miss her, and I'm still over. 34:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm really sorry about everything I've done. 34:06 [SPEAKER_06]: I missed Ty. 34:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I lost Ty over this. 34:09 [SPEAKER_06]: And then the people that lost their loved ones and everything. 34:12 [SPEAKER_06]: I really think first about the people that lost their loved ones and then Ty's second. 34:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And I have to put them in first on this whole thing. 34:19 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm really sorry. 34:20 [SPEAKER_01]: She also around that time, she had been getting letters in jail since the arrest. 34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Among those people writing to her was a woman named Arlene Pral. 34:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter three, Arlene Pral. 34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Arlene Pral was a 44-year-old Florida horse breeder. 34:36 [SPEAKER_01]: A born-again Christian, she lived on a horse ranch with her husband, Robert. 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She had no children. 34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: She had seen Eileen on television after the arrest. 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Something in the coverage had moved her. 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: She had written Eileen a letter explaining that she had been called by God to reach out to her. 34:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen wrote back. 34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But followed over the next year was one of the strangest relationships in the history of American capital cases. 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Paul visited Eileen at the jail, prayed with her, introduced her to a particular kind of evangelical Christianity that promised among other things, the possibility of redemption for any sinner who confessed and accepted Jesus. 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen, who had been raised Lutheran and Michigan, but had spent most of her dull wife functionally outside any religious community took to it. 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: In November of 1991, in a development that took the Florida media by surprise, Arlene Prall, and her husband, Robert, legally adopted Eileen Warnos. 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen was 35 years old. 35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The adoption did not have any direct legal consequence for her case, but its emotional consequences for Eileen were considerable. 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to look at this through the eyes of Eileen, listener. 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So bear with me as I tried to imagine what it was like for Eileen, independent of how strange all of this is. 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: For the first time in her wife, Eileen had a mother, a woman who had legally chosen to claim her, that detail matters, because it tells you something about how starved she had been her entire wife, for the things she finally got at 35 on her way to the death penalty. 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The mother she had not had since she was almost four years old, the grandmother who had failed to protect her. 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The family that had thrown her out, all of those absences, were sitting in the empty space that Arlene Pro stepped into, a horse reader with a cassette of evangelical music, and a Bible in her bag, became the only person that I need more notice life, 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Proheter owned theology, grown goals, grown narrative about what was happening. 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Proheter told reporters early in the relationship that I lean had been called by God and that the killings had been part of a larger spiritual plan. 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The framing did not survive contact with the long stretch of death row reality. 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Ileen in the cell was not a spiritual figure. 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: She was a woman whose mind was coming apart in stages, while her adoptive mother prayed for her from a floor to horse ranch and used her for publicity. 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The version of her demtion pearl had promised. 37:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The clean narrative arc of a sinner saved was not what an actual decade for Eyeline looked like. 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Paul began visiting less. 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The phone calls thinned out. 37:29 [SPEAKER_01]: By the late 1990s, Paul was giving interviews in which she described the relationship as exhausting. 37:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And Irene and her own learners was writing about feeling abandoned by the only mother who would ever claim to her. 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The drift was painful. 37:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Pearl would eventually distance herself from Irene in the years before the execution. 37:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Irene would die without Pearl present. 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The mother who showed up too late and then at the end abandoned her. 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter 4, Death Row. 38:00 [SPEAKER_01]: She was housed at Broward Correctional Institutional in the Death Row Unit for Women. 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: She would live there for almost 11 years. 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Death Row, for the people who have not been close to it, is not a continuous public event and is a long, mostly invisible stretch of waiting. 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The legal appeals process in Florida runs for years. 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The direct appeal goes first, 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Then the 11th Circuit, and finally, if all that fails, the United States Supreme Court. 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The stretches of time between hearings are stretches of time spent in a cell. 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: In solitary confinement for most of the day, with limited exercise yard access, and even more limited human contact, I leaned in high handle that confinement well. 38:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She'd been a person in motion her entire life. 38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: From the woods of Troy a 15 onward, she'd ever been still. 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: She'd been on the road in cars, in motels and bars, in trailers, in the front seats of Stranger's vehicles. 39:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Death Road took all that away. 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She was for the first time in her dull life contained. 39:08 [SPEAKER_01]: She even reviews, a British documentary in named Nick Brunfield came to 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And again in 2002, producing two documentaries that, together, are the most extensive filmed record of who she was at the beginning, and in the end of her decade in Florida. 39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The 1992 footage shows her angry, articulate in her own way, defying about the self-defense narrative. 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: By 2002, she had become somebody else, somebody who's hold on conscious reality, had begun to slip. 39:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Every time I started writing something, it went up higher. 39:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Sun thinking that probably had the TV rigged. 39:47 [SPEAKER_06]: The TV or the mirror or something was rigged. 39:49 [SPEAKER_06]: They got a huge satellite on the compound. 39:52 [SPEAKER_06]: After they put the huge satellite on the compound, it could have been either rigged to the TV set or the mirror or something, because the electrician would have put the mirror on the wall. 40:00 [SPEAKER_06]: He said, don't they look like a computer? 40:02 [SPEAKER_06]: The back of it, and he stuck to the wall. 40:05 [SPEAKER_06]: It was crushing my head, and they were using sonic pressure. 40:10 [SPEAKER_06]: continually. 40:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Then when I had three meetings with Ms. Villa-Corda on it, every meeting I had, she increased the pressure of the volume of the calm, increased harassment on the floor, increased the trays being in edible. 40:28 [SPEAKER_06]: just increased every bit in my complaints and trashed all grievances. 40:32 [SPEAKER_06]: They're trying to make it look like I was crazy at all times. 40:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Reg up the room with torture. 40:36 [SPEAKER_06]: If I said anything about their whole, I think their whole plan was trying to make it look like I just totally crazy. 40:42 [SPEAKER_06]: And so nobody would believe anything I have to say about anything. 40:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And then drive me there if they could. 40:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I suffered so that I was really struggling to survive. 40:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Had a lot of trays that were attempted murder and everything. 40:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I had to wash all my food off. 40:57 [SPEAKER_06]: And then one day I didn't wash my food off and I was sick for three weeks, almost died. 41:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm okay, I'm okay, God is gonna be there. 41:03 [SPEAKER_06]: She's Christ's gonna be there all the angels, everything. 41:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And you know, whatever's on the beyond, I think it's gonna be more like Star Trek being in me up into a space vehicle, man. 41:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Then I move on, recolonize to another planet or whatever, but it's whatever's the beyond. 41:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I know it's gonna be good because I didn't do anything as wrong as they said. 41:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I did the right thing. 41:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And I saved a lot of people's butts from getting hurt and raped and killed too. 41:29 [SPEAKER_06]: My mom waited a chamber, done stopping it. 41:32 [SPEAKER_06]: You can believe her, you don't have to believe it. 41:34 [SPEAKER_06]: That's up to you, man. 41:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Did you know that they were surveilling me before I killed? 41:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And then I knew it. 41:40 [SPEAKER_06]: And that was covered up. 41:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Did you know there was helicopters dropping down from the sky, deputy sheriff, with decoys picking me up. 41:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Four or five months before my arrest, it was covered up. 41:51 [SPEAKER_06]: I was a hitchhiking hooker running into trouble. 41:55 [SPEAKER_06]: I shoot the guy if I ran into trouble. 41:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Physical trouble, the cops knew it. 42:00 [SPEAKER_06]: When the physical trouble came a lot, I let him layer clean the streets. 42:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Add a retaliation for taking my life like this and getting rich off it all these years. 42:10 [SPEAKER_06]: And total pathological line. 42:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks a lot, I lost my fucking life because of it, couldn't even get a fair trial, couldn't even get a fair investigation or nothing, couldn't even have my peels right. 42:23 [SPEAKER_06]: You say I've attached my ass society, and the cops, and the system, I'll rape to woman, God executed, and was used for books and movies and shit. 42:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The 1992 documentary, the selling of a serial killer, was as much about the cottage industry around Iwene, as it was about Iwene herself. 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Brumesfield captured the police officers selling their stories to Hollywood. 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Arlene Prall, managing access to her adopted daughter, defense attorneys negotiating book and movie rights, the whole strange American capitalism of a high-profile murder case. 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: with the woman at the center sitting in a floor to jail while the people around her cast checks. 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I wien comes off by the end of that film, as one of the few people in the case, not trying to make money off of her crimes. 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The 2003 follow-up, Life in Death of a Serial Killer, was filmed in the months immediately before the execution, Brunfield gined to the prison, and sat across from her in the visitation booth, the footage is devastating, 43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The woman on the other side of the glass had visibly aged a decade beyond her years. 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Her speech patterns had shifted. 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Her concentration came and went. 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: She told Brunefield on tape about sonic devices the guards were using to crush her head. 43:42 [SPEAKER_01]: that her food was being poisoned, that she wanted to die, because she was sure the system was going to torture her. 43:49 [SPEAKER_01]: By the late 1990s, violin was telling visitors and interviewers that the prison guards were poisoning her food, that her cell was being controlled by a sonic pressure device. 43:59 [SPEAKER_01]: that she had been promised in early death by Jesus, and that the system was deliberately delaying it to torture her further. 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The paranoia was not consistent with the angry but cognitive woman who had taken the stand in 1992, something had broken loose. 44:14 [SPEAKER_01]: What was happening to her clinically was the long-term effect of solitary confinement a person whose nervous system had been pre-broken 44:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I leaned and walked into that prison with a cognitive baseline that included an IQ of 81, untreated complex post-traumatic stress disorder, dating back to childhood, and unaddressed history of probable substance abuse, and zero of the protective social factors that help a person survive a long stretch of confinement. 44:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She had no children visiting, and no spouse. 44:50 [SPEAKER_01]: After Paul began to drift, she had no consistent outside contact at all, except for letters from strangers, and on botgins, the childhood friend from Troy, who continued to write her throughout the entire 11 years. 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: By 2001, the woman in the death row Stella Broward Correctional was in the clinical sense, decompensating. 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter 5, Decision to Die, In June of 2001, I lean road to letter to the chief of justice of the Florida Supreme Court, the letter said in plain language that she wanted to fire her appellate attorneys, terminate all pending appeals, and proceed to execution. 45:30 [SPEAKER_01]: She wrote that she had killed the men that she would kill again if or least that she hated human life and that there was no point in any further proceedings. 45:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The letter also said she was tired of being told she was crazy that she was competent and sane and that she was telling the truth about what she had done. 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Three different psychiatrists examined Eileen Warnos, all three concluded she was competent to make the decision to wave her remaining appeals. 45:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The court accepted those evaluations. 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The execution was scheduled. 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Listener, the question of whether Eileen Warnos was actually competent to make that decision is a question that has hung over the legal community ever since. 46:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The broomfield documentary that was filming her in those final months, 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Carter on Tafe, watching that footage, it is difficult to conclude that you are watching the woman in clear contact with conscious reality. 46:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The core of pointed psychiatrists, however, were operating under specific legal definitions, which is whether the person understands the nature of the proceedings in the consequences of their decision by such a narrow definition, 46:38 [SPEAKER_01]: She knew she was on death row, knew the appeals could keep her alive, and wanted to stop them, and that was enough. 46:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense bar in Florida raised the question publicly and loudly, where the psychiatrist looking at the right thing. 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Should a woman who believed she was being tortured by son and devices, be making decisions about whether to be killed by the state? 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Those questions did not stop the execution. 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The governor of Florida, 47:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Jeb Bush, cider death warrant in September of 2002, the date was set for October 9th. 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: She was removed from Broward to Florida State Prison in Stark. 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Florida State Prison is the facility where male death row inmates are housed, where all Florida executions are carried out. 47:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She was placed on death watch, which is a separate wing where condemned to prisoner spend their final days. 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The two of them sat in the visitation booth and held what passed for a final conversation between two women who had known each other since they were children. 47:41 [SPEAKER_01]: What was said in that conversation it has never been fully published, Dawn has spoken about it in fragments over the years. 47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: In interviews and in the introduction to the book of Wetter, she added it, the shape of it was a woman saying goodbye to the only person who had stayed. 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I leaned by Dawn's account, was calmer than she had been in months, the paranoia about the food. 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The Sonic Devices was still there in the background, but in the foreground of the conversation, was the long looping memory of a childhood that two of them had shared, a neighborhood, a school, a handful of small kindnesses, Dawn had offered when nobody else had. 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The two of them treated those memories back and forth in the visitation booth, like the small currency that had always been, 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter six, the final day. 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They woke her at 5.30 in the morning. 48:39 [SPEAKER_01]: She asked for a towel and wash cloth to wash her face and freshen up. 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The prison's folksling would later describe her as calm. 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Not as talkative as she had been in previous days. 48:48 [SPEAKER_01]: She drank a cup of coffee. 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point in the morning, she was given the standard pre-execution preparation, a clothing change, a walk to the holding cell next to the execution chamber, the verification of identity. 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: the reading of the death warrant. 49:03 [SPEAKER_01]: At 930, the current in the witness viewing area was drawn back. 49:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen was on a gurney. 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: She had been strapped down. 49:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Both arms were extended out from her body, and secured departed boards. 49:16 [SPEAKER_01]: With IV lines running into both, the room was small and brightly lit. 49:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The witnesses on the other side of the glass, including reporters, prison staff, and family members of some of her victims. 49:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The Florida lethal injection protocol at the time of our execution was a three-drug sequence administered through both arms simultaneously with the second arm functioning as a backup line in case the primary failed. 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The medical team that placed the IVs would have done so during the prior 30 minutes in a holding room next to the chamber. 49:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The IV insertion process for executions in the United States has been the subject of considerable medical and ethical 49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: In part because finding viable veins on long-term incarcerated people is often difficult, and in part because the medical staff who participate in the executions are working outside the scope of their professional ethics, whether I leans veins were easy to find or not, by the time the curtain went up, she was on the gurney with the lines and she turned her head towards the witnesses. 50:21 [SPEAKER_01]: By the account of a reporter who was there, she made what the reporter described as a face, a small smile rolling her eyes as if bashful, then she gave a last statement. 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Her last statement in full was this, yes, I would like to say I'm sailing with the rock, and I'll be back, like independent stay, with Jesus, June 6th, like the movie, big mother shipping all, I'll be back, I'll be back. 50:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Listener, those words have been parsed and interpreted and argued about for 24 years. 50:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Some have read them as evidence of a full-mental break. 50:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Others have read them as a bizarre fusion of evangelical Christianity she got from Arlene Pearl, and a science fiction movie she had presumably seen in the prison recroom, in a kind of defiant promise to the return. 51:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The rock is a biblical reference to Jesus, independent state of the 1996 movie, had a scene 51:19 [SPEAKER_01]: June 6 may have been a day she had fixated on, for reasons she never explained to anyone. 51:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The combined statement taken together reads as the words of a woman who was no longer fully tethered to the same conceptual framework as the people listening to her. 51:34 [SPEAKER_01]: At 931 she closed her eyes. 51:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The first drug had begun to enter her bud stream, her body did not fully fight the drug. 51:42 [SPEAKER_01]: She was for all practical purposes, asleep within seconds of the first injection. 51:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And 932, the second drug began. 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Her diaphragm stopped, her chest stopped rising and falling, and she was no longer breathing. 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Her heart was still going. 51:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The third drug hit her circulatory system shortly after that. 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: At that dose injected directly, it stopped her heart. 52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Her mouth 52:11 [SPEAKER_01]: By 932 or 933 by the reporters count, she appeared to be gone. 52:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The pronouncement of death was made at 947 a.m. Eileen Carol Warnos was 46 years old. 52:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter 7, the first evening. 52:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The sun went down over start that evening at 6.53. 52:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It was Wednesday, October. 52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The Florida days had begun their slow-shorting by minutes rather than hours, so that you do not quite notice it until one afternoon in November, you look up in the light as already going. 52:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The afternoon had been warm. 52:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Low 80s. 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: By 6, the heat had loosened in the air over the pine flatwoods west of the prison. 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: and taking on the long slanted gold that comes off the gulf at that hour. 52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: In autumn, the cicadas still allowed. 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing the work they had done every evening of her life, and the mosquitoes were doing theirs. 53:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But none of it was for her anymore. 53:05 [SPEAKER_01]: She had been pronounced dead at 9.47 in the morning. 53:08 [SPEAKER_01]: By the time the light began to fail, her body lays somewhere in the cold storage of the Florida Correctional System. 53:15 [SPEAKER_01]: awaiting cremation. 53:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Her cell had been scrubbed. 53:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The gurney was being prepared for the next one. 53:21 [SPEAKER_01]: There's always an next one. 53:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The apparatus of American execution does not pause to mark anything. 53:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What the apparatus did not mark was that the world had quietly become a different world. 53:32 [SPEAKER_01]: For 46 years, in seven months, almost to the day, this planet had carried a particular concentration 53:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And a body brought into a family that did not know how to hold it, and thickened at six, and he yarded in a Detroit suburb when Miter fluid jumped from a can in her face caught in that running red flame. 53:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If thickened again at 11 in F-14 in F-15, 54:02 [SPEAKER_01]: In mood with her down the roads and through the rooms and into the cars, year after year, county by county, until it settled finally into a concrete cell in Broward, and then into another in stark. 54:15 [SPEAKER_01]: By the morning of October 9, 2002, that become a continuous thing. 54:20 [SPEAKER_01]: of long unbroken note that had been sounding for almost half a century, and that the universe had been holding for the duration. 54:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That evening, for the first time, the note was no longer sounding. 54:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The sun set over for the same time and has set 10,000 other evenings of her life. 54:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The orange deep end then went to violet. 54:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The clouds along the western horizon 54:47 [SPEAKER_01]: turned black before the sky did. 54:49 [SPEAKER_01]: At New Semana, the water shifted slowly, patiently, paying attention to none of us. 54:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The sky she had watched outside her motel, a previous winter, on an evening she did not know was the last open ones you would ever have. 55:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Perform the same long slow burn on the evening. 55:08 [SPEAKER_01]: She was no longer there to see it. 55:10 [SPEAKER_01]: There was nobody now to see it on her behalf. 55:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The light belonged to whoever was looking up at it. 55:15 [SPEAKER_01]: A weight that had been held for 46 years was no longer being held. 55:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever you make of what she did, whenever moral judgment you have arrived at, after walking these four episodes. 55:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The physical fact remains, a girl who had been put through more than a child should be put through, who grew into a woman who put more on to other people than any of us are entitled to put on to others, who had spare last decade in a small room, being slowly broken by the conditions of her confinement, was that evening no longer in pain or in fear. 55:48 [SPEAKER_01]: She was free. 55:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The dark came in from the east, deliberately, all at once. 55:54 [SPEAKER_01]: the Atlantic continued its slow nightly business. 55:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The pine flatwoods west of Stark went quiet, then started up again with the insects of the next hour. 56:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Somewhere in Michigan, Dawn Botkins was waiting on a phone to ring. 56:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The world kept turning. 56:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It always does, but it turned that night with one less specific human pain in it. 56:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The cremation was carried out per fort of protocol. 56:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The ashes were placed in a small urn. 56:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The urn was given to Dawn Botkins. 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Dawn was the childhood friend from Troy, Michigan. 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The friend who had been there decades earlier in the warnos kitchen on at least one of the afternoons that the belt came down. 56:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The friend who had written letters to Ilene on death row every month for 11 years, sometimes every week, never missing. 56:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The only person who had been present at both ends of the story, she took the earring back to Michigan. 56:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The song played at the memorial service, was Natalie Merchants Carnival, Eileen had asked for it specifically. 56:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It is quite a song, a song about walking through a city, and trying to understand what your own eyes have seen. 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The sort of song, the woman alone in the cell with a walkman, might come back to again and again. 57:05 [SPEAKER_01]: She had written in the last years that she listened to 57:13 [SPEAKER_09]: of sight to see all the cheap three-seekers, vendors and the dealers, they grab air around me Have I been blind? 57:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Have I been lost inside? 57:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Myself and my own might, hypnotize, mesmerize 57:43 [SPEAKER_09]: I wake my eyes to see." 57:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Dawn took the yarn to a wooded area she knew. 57:50 [SPEAKER_01]: A small group of people who would love to lean at one point are another over the course of her life, came with her. 57:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The exact location has never been published. 57:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Early out of respect for Irene, early to keep the spot from becoming a destination for anyone who would want to go there for the wrong reasons. 58:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The urn was opened, the ashes were scattered under the roots. 58:11 [SPEAKER_01]: A teaspoon of those ashes was carried back to Florida, and scattered outside the last resort bar, in Port Orange, on the patch of ground where the patrol car had pulled up on the night of January 8, 1991. 58:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether this gesture strikes you as meaningful or grotesque, is going to depend on what brought you to this story. 58:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen Morenoes resist the standard processing. 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: More stubbornly, the most American killers. 58:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The clean victim version does not survive the seven dead man, the clean political version, in which she is rebranded as a feminist folk hero who killed predators. 58:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Falls apart the moment you actually read what was done to Charles Humphrey's into Walter and Tonyo. 58:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Every framing falls apart. 58:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The version of the story that holds is the one that refuses to flatten her. 59:03 [SPEAKER_01]: in either direction and refusing to flatten a person is genuinely difficult. 59:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Most things made for an audience do not have the patience for it. 59:12 [SPEAKER_01]: More than two decades after she died, the public conversation about her has never quite settled. 59:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The seven men whose deaths started the whole thing are not famous, and they shouldn't be forgotten. 59:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I did my best to be respectful to all of them, even those that might not have 59:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's something I've been waiting to say since the first episode of the series. 59:35 [SPEAKER_01]: In the years I've been making this show, I've walked through a lot of killers. 59:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of them are easy. 59:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The ones who killed simply for money. 59:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The ones who killed for a thrill. 59:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The ones who killed because they liked it and would have kept on killing. 59:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody stopped them. 59:51 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no version of those people I struggle with. 59:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They are on what the system gives them. 59:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do not lose sleep when the system gives it to them. 59:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen Warnos is not one of those people for me. 60:02 [SPEAKER_01]: She is one of the few I have ever covered on this show that I have felt real empathy for. 60:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Not sympathy in the cheap usage empathy. 60:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The kind that put some part of what she carried into your own chest when you read the files. 60:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I have sat a long time with this case before recording these episodes and I wanted to be honest with you about where I have 60:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Nine rounds and Charles cars get in, an electric blanket wrapped around a body in Pascal, a retired police chief shot six times in the head and torso, and stripped of his cash. 60:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no self-defense that explains all of that. 60:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to pretend the moral rimmetic. 60:43 [SPEAKER_01]: comes out clean. 60:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It does not. 60:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She killed those people. 60:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Their families have spent 34 years carrying weight. 60:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the reality I refused to talk around. 60:52 [SPEAKER_01]: She did great evil. 60:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was also before any of that. 60:57 [SPEAKER_01]: A child, a child whose face caught fire at six. 61:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Because nobody was watching her, a child who's grandfather forced her to undress, before he beat her every time for years. 61:09 [SPEAKER_01]: A child told every day by the man she believed to be her father that she was worthless and did not deserve to live. 61:16 [SPEAKER_01]: At 11 she learned that her actual father 61:19 [SPEAKER_01]: and hanged himself in a prison cell after raping a seven-year-old girl that her actual mother walked out on her and that the family she thought was hers had been a story all along at 14 she got pregnant and watched a baby carried out of the hospital room by strangers that she couldn't keep. 61:37 [SPEAKER_01]: F-15, she walked into the woods on the edge of Troy, Michigan, with a sleeping bag and a plastic bag of clothes. 61:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody came for her, listener. 61:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the part I cannot get past. 61:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Not the school, not the neighbors, not the state. 61:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Not the relatives who knew exactly what kind of household she was being raised in. 61:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Our mother alive, somewhere in the country, living a separate life, the grandfather threw around. 62:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The grandmother had already died, the brother, the one person in the early house who would love her, was tangled up in some of the harm. 62:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The boys at school made her into a punchline, called her the cigarette pig. 62:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The minute truck stops, Peter and Cash, and used her body. 62:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The husband of nine weeks called the cops on her, the arresting officers booked her again and again on charges that were the visible symptoms of a person drowning in plain view of society. 62:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And nobody came. 62:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to tell you that what was done to her, excuses what she did in return. 62:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been clear about that. 62:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will tell you this, if somebody had come for her at 11, seven men would be alive. 62:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The girl in the sleeping bag did not get alive. 62:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She got a long, slow, badly handled emergency that ran from 6 to 34 and seven other wives ended because of it. 62:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And she sat in a cell for 11 years until they put her on a gurney and pushed three drugs through a needle and pronounced her dead. 63:03 [SPEAKER_01]: One person all along had stayed. 63:05 [SPEAKER_01]: A girl named Dawn, the tree in Michigan is still there. 63:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Dawn last night checked it's still alive. 63:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The ashes still under the roots. 63:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The girl who slept in the snow finally came home. 63:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Eileen Carroll, Warnos, February 29th, 1956, October 9th, 2002, 46 years old. 63:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Born in Rochester, Michigan died in stark Florida, scattered on the soil where she was once the girl in the woods, but where she now lives in peace for eternity.
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