0:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Once he had explained the symbolism of his walking belt, John John mentioned that they were planning an expansion in revision of the Museum of the Cherokee Indian. 0:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I asked what additions or changes he would make if given the opportunity. 0:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I told him how much I'd enjoyed the exhibits, and he told me that they're currently planning an expansion and revision of the museum. 0:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I asked him what additions or changes he would make if given the opportunity. 0:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I would talk more about our cities that we had prior to invasion, that I think there's not enough information out there. 0:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Folks, I have no clue. 0:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Even some of our own people don't know how far our reach was. 0:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, back in the day, we had about a million square miles territory. 1:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, welcome to our town. 1:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little town. 1:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know them anyway. 1:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would definitely expound more on Edawah and different cities like that, Spiro, Kahokia. 1:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Now Spiro and Kahokia were not under our charge, but those were cities as well. 1:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Edawah was under our charge. 1:29 [SPEAKER_03]: He's referring to the massive native cities that all but disappeared from our history books. 1:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Kahokia, for one example, was a five-square mile urban metropolis that thrived during the time of the European Middle Ages. 1:42 [SPEAKER_03]: These were carefully planned cities with cutting-edge technologies and multi-story buildings. 1:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not only a national embarrassment, but an academic failure that we have forgotten them. 1:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I asked if Kahokia was the largest ancient city at the height of its power. 1:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It was probably, maybe, top three, maybe. 2:05 [SPEAKER_03]: When I compared it to the lawsuit of Atlantis, John John corrected me. 2:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Not lost. 2:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Paved over. 2:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's always been there. 2:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But the European Americans did not see the value of our stuff. 2:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, hindsight being 2020, you know, 2:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The grand sons and grand daughters of the people that have paved over it, they're like, man, we should have kept it. 2:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We should, we could learn so much from it, but we're at, we're at. 2:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I told him of the heaviness I felt personally, but the way our people had treated his and the incalculable loss, the Cherokee had experienced at the hands of white settlers. 2:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I said I hoped there were ways moving forward of making some of this right. 2:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we can ever make it right. 2:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But we can move forward. 2:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you guys weren't there during that time period. 3:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's no way that we could place the blame on y'all. 3:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though, you know, we're all part of this system that was developed by that, the only thing. 3:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We can ask of the grantons and granddaughters would be whenever you go to the polls and vote, keep us in mind. 3:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of the policies were made by people 3:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't wish as well, let's put it that way. 3:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's play as quiet as I completed, I guess. 3:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there's maybe one B. generous and say 15,000 of us, I guess. 3:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And out of that 15,000, we have 100, and less than 150 speakers of our language lift. 3:46 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the young people are so caught up in the outside, 3:54 [SPEAKER_00]: influences that we don't hardly have any artisans like when I was a kid almost every family had a basket maker had a father had somebody done beadwork but now in today's fabric in today's family system there's not that many left that was by design 4:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the boarding school policy was to kill the Indian to save the man, they wanted to take everything from us. 4:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Our homes are way of life, our language, our very identity. 4:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's an issue about sports teams, the mascots, and whatnot. 4:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And some folks, they said, why does that matter to you so much? 4:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do people, indigenous people dislike that? 4:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, whenever the European American children were at play, back in the day, they were playing Cowboys and Indians. 5:10 [SPEAKER_00]: John Wayne, the guy with the white cowboy hat was the good guy, also during that time that they got to play, got to play indigenous freely. 5:24 [SPEAKER_00]: are aunties, uncles, grandmas, grandpas, were in these boarding schools, getting, be getting, facing, well, they were facing challenges and hardships that I cannot begin to wrap my mind around just for existing, just for being who they are, being born. 5:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're a child and all you know is English. 5:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, let's say you're four, three, four years old. 5:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody different color than you comes into your home and takes you away from your mom and dad, the only family you've ever known. 6:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And shuttles you off to this area that you're not from, have no knowledge of it. 6:17 [SPEAKER_00]: change your appearance, everyone take all your clothes off, make you wear this different set of clothes. 6:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If you got long hair, they're going to cut your hair. 6:25 [SPEAKER_00]: If you got short hair, they're going to glue some on to you. 6:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just going to change you all the way. 6:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And every time you speak English to your fellow children that speak the same languages, you get beat, you get punished, 6:47 [SPEAKER_00]: After a while, you might just stop speaking all together. 6:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So there are families here, like I said, back in the day, they used to be, everybody had a pot or everybody had a basket maker. 7:01 [SPEAKER_00]: everybody spoke before the boarding school, before the invasion, before the annihilation of the indigenous culture, the indigenous peoples. 7:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So as all of these things have continuously been poured upon us and poured upon us, 7:29 [SPEAKER_00]: No one will have their language anymore if it continues in this way, even though the physical buildings of the boarding school are no longer there, the lasting effects of it, the ripples have become waves now. 7:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my mom, my aunties and uncles, they went to a Catholic school, Catholics, or from the edge of boarding school, every you want to call it. 8:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't talk about it. 8:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't tell a younger generation what they had to go through to just to exist, just to live. 8:18 [SPEAKER_00]: product of that. 8:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't grow up speaking my language. 8:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I was very fortunate that I grew up around some some elders, some grandmas and grandpas that that did speak our language. 8:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But as a child, all of us all were old people speaking the language. 8:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that's something 8:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I had better things on my mind to go and play in the woods, go run around and jump in the creek and what and what I have here. 8:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But I did not take advantage of the language until later on in life into my teens. 9:01 [SPEAKER_00]: When I saw other kids from other indigenous nations, playing arguing, fighting, laughing, whatever they were doing, it was in their language. 9:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And it hit me. 9:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Why the heck cannot do that? 9:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's when I started my, hey, how do I say this? 9:22 [SPEAKER_00]: How do I say this? 9:23 [SPEAKER_00]: First, because I didn't know what I was asking for. 9:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know how to bridge that gap from teacher to student, and I darned sure didn't know how to bridge the gap from student to teacher. 9:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So all I had was pretty much just a laundry list of words. 9:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We do have hope for our language. 9:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we have a Cadillac Academy up here. 9:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called Azegi Dua. 9:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's where some of our children are chosen to go and learn our language. 9:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But it started out awesome. 9:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for eight hours a day, all they heard was our language. 10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything that was taught in public school was translated into our language and given to them. 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But for some reason, I guess because the older ones haven't picked it up as fast as the younger ones, we don't have an accreditation system that says, if you can speak Cherokee, you're accredited to be able to teach at a school. 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you still have to have that accreditation. 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So there aren't many to have that. 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: so it's that school is suffering from what I understand now they have a lot of English being spoken there just because it's easier but anyway here's the shameless plug if you guys are interested in learning the Cherokee language check out your grandmother's 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: hear that million times a day. 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not from there. 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: What it stems from is the way our grandma's and grandpa's used to speak. 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it's called your grandmother's Cherokee. 11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a whole method of learning there. 11:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you all want to check it out, feel free. 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: The more people that speak it, the more of a chance it has. 11:36 [SPEAKER_03]: As you heard him say, in John John's dialect, the middle dialect, there are less than 150 speakers in the world today. 11:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Shagically, there were 200 before COVID, but the disease has so far taken the lives of 25% of all middle speakers. 11:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Today Cherokee, including both surviving dialects, the middle, in the overhill, out west, is officially a radically endangered language. 12:01 [SPEAKER_03]: For those of you who don't know, there are five stages of endangered languages around the world. 12:06 [SPEAKER_03]: The third stage is seriously endangered. 12:09 [SPEAKER_03]: The fourth, more abundant, which is a fancy way of saying, pretty much dead. 12:14 [SPEAKER_03]: The fifth stage is extinct. 12:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Right now, Cherokee straddles the third and fourth categories. 12:20 [SPEAKER_03]: As young people show less interest than ever, and learning ancient languages, survival of this language is in jeopardy. 12:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So if you love history and are looking for a hobby, learn Cherokee, it's a beautiful language, and there are programs like the one that John John described for learning in our online. 12:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I asked John John how proficient he considered himself to be in the language of his ancestors. 12:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I can speak just enough to get laughed at, but now I'm working on it. 12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a bunch of favorite words. 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: One would be, I'll get you. 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's my mom. 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the word mom. 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We get our clan from our mother. 13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We get our, well, everything from our mother, our life. 13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything. 13:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So that would be one of the most important words. 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: the word I say all the time or the most would be probably agiosia. 13:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hungry. 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Now some of our words just sound like the word that 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Kohoi. 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Kohoi, I'm going to do it. 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I won't call for you. 13:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Candy. 13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Candy, I'm going to do it. 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it. 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So we didn't have V's, we didn't have P's, and we don't have R's anymore. 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There was an old dialect where there was R's in our language, but I don't know if we have many speakers that know that dialect anymore, it might be one or two still out there. 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So R's are not uncommon use. 14:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Do the seven clans each have their own dialect? 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd be back in the day before all of the things happened. 14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be akin to all the different dialects in English, like a stake for instance, use guys, yarns, y'all. 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There are all different ways of saying it, but it needs the same thing. 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And different parts of the country, you're gonna hear those different words. 15:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I asked him if there were anything else he would hope for for his people in the coming decades or century. 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I would really love to see our language, we brought back coming time. 15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I kinda consider myself a linguist, but my passion is with the indigenous languages, 15:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Nikato Kekken and a skikiti and Omaak Nomone, I'm learning how to speak monomony. 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can have a little bit of that. 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got friends up there in a monomony country and Wisconsin that are working, working to preserve their language. 16:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have even fewer fluent speakers than we do. 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, and form the nae friends out there, y'all t'ay, ishbunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: and the more I can get my hands on a better because I just love listening to it. 16:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed it too. 16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for sharing it with us. 16:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Would you mind reminding our listeners where you are and how they can find you? 16:47 [SPEAKER_03]: If they'd like to visit. 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the Museum of the Cherokee. 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We're located in Cherokee North Carolina. 16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you can find that, we're not a really big town. 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So you'll be able to find the Museum. 16:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Throughout this conversation, John John had a hand-made flute sitting in front of him and I asked him if he had anything he'd like to share. 17:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, depending upon which indigenous nation they talk to, they all have a flute story. 17:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They all say, you know, where do ones that made it? 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, where do the ones that made it? 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But in the story that I know and that I always told is it comes from the first one comes from if you get on the parkway and you head towards silver the blue ridge parkway not the great smoking mountains national park that goes to galamber but as you're heading toward silver from here on the blue ridge you'll find a spot this is water rock now 17:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where I was told the first flute came from, and You'll have to come here and hear the whole story, but I'll play a little bit of it this flute just to say here 18:19 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much for watching this video, see you in the next video! 18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 20:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on down, Cherokee! 20:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Really do, come down to Cherokee, connect with John John if you can, if you're a language person, give Cherokee a try. 20:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the native language in which the most literature has been published, and it is the only Southern Air Coin language spoken today. 20:22 [SPEAKER_03]: In our next episode, we'll be going to the largest private home in the United States, the built more mansion, to speak with head curator, Darren Pupor. 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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