0:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Just after midnight, on the morning of November 16th, 2003, a fire bomb towards the center of the Holocaust Education Center in Terahode, Indiana. 1:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Much of the building's interior was incinerated in the blaze, unknown quantities of historical memorabilia, including the personal belongings of Holocaust survivors were destroyed. 1:20 [SPEAKER_00]: By the time fire crews arrived, it was already too late. 1:29 [SPEAKER_03]: The fire was in the middle of the building to took us about 35 to 40 minutes to bring the fire to control. 1:38 [SPEAKER_03]: The North side of the building, the door has been docked out for our arrival at this time. 1:44 [SPEAKER_05]: The fire is under the investigation. 1:51 [SPEAKER_00]: This museum was the life work of Eva Core, former victim of Auschwitz concentration camp, and of the so-called Angel of Death, Dr. Joseph Mangala. 2:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Eva had built this education center from the ground up with her own resources, and on the day after the bombing, a television news reporters gathered here and tear a hoat to cover the story. 2:19 [SPEAKER_03]: This is Action 10 News, WDHI. 2:22 [SPEAKER_02]: A little piece of history is lost tonight to fire rip through the Candles Holocaust Museum in Toronto, just after midnight last night. 2:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There is evidence of arson. 2:34 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll use our treating the case as a hate crime. 2:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Eva was asked by reporters how she first learned of the attack. 2:46 [SPEAKER_05]: On the walls of the museum, the arsonist has sprayed the words, remember Timothy McVeig. 3:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Two years before the bombing, Domestic Terrorist Timothy McVeigh was executed here in Terrahod. 3:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You may remember McVeigh as the man who drove a van full of explosives into a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, including 19 children. 3:33 [SPEAKER_00]: This was the kind of hate that Eva was confronted with on that day. 3:38 [SPEAKER_00]: She was saddened, of course, but not impressed. 3:43 [SPEAKER_00]: When asked how she felt about the bombing, she said simply, have had better days, but I've also had worse days. 3:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was right. 3:54 [SPEAKER_00]: As a Holocaust survivor, she'd had worse days by every imaginable standard. 4:02 [SPEAKER_00]: After learning of the bombing and of Eva's story, I drove to Tara Holt, about three hours south of Wabash, to learn more about the Candles Holocaust Education Center, and also of the life of this incredible woman. 4:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Troy Sears, and I am Executive Director at Candle's Holocaust Museum and Education Center located in Terahode, Indiana. 4:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And you mentioned that we are in Terahode, Indiana, and I'm sure you get asked this a lot. 4:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is there a Holocaust Museum Center here in Central Indiana? 4:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we do get that a lot. 4:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And we are Indiana's only Holocaust Museum. 4:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Founded little over 27 years ago by a Holocaust survivor by the name of Eva Core, who was a twin and she and her sister survived Auschwitz and survived experiments done on them. 5:04 [SPEAKER_01]: At Auschwitz, by Dr. Joseph Mingola. 5:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Long story short, Eva ends up in Terahot and Mary's, 5:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Another Holocaust survivor by the name of Mickey Core, who was in Tarot and had gone to Israel on vacation and had a blind date with Eva, and they actually got married a few weeks if you can believe that, and then he was a pharmacist here in Tarot, and so he brought her back, obviously, with him, for they got married, and they lived and worked in Tarot for many years, and that's how Indians only Holocaust museum ends up in Tarot. 5:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So what led her to opening this museum here? 5:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She founded Candles again about 27 years ago, and Candles is actually an acronym. 5:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's for children of Auschwitz, Nazi-Dednly-Lab experiment survivors. 5:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a long acronym, and just so people know we do sell candles, but we don't make candles. 6:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I get that question a lot too. 6:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have bulk of vanilla candles? 6:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually bought one of the candles they do sell, it's a custom scent, designed for the museum by a local manufacturer, and has one of those wooden wicks that crackles as it burns. 6:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Most importantly, it's a great way to support this museum and its mission. 6:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, back to Eva. 6:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But she founded the organization, Candles, again, about 27 years ago, and honor of her sister, Miriam. 6:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Her sister Miriam had some health issues, and Eva donated a kidney to Miriam in 1987, and it was during that process, they found out that Miriam, her twin sister, kidneys didn't grow past the age of 10, in which was the age that they were at. 6:55 [SPEAKER_01]: in Auschwitz and that they were doing experiments on them at that time and it was during that process of even donating her kidney. 7:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The doctor said, hey, if you could find other Holocaust survivors, other twins, particularly from Auschwitz, maybe we could maybe we can help out and try to find out what experiments were done on you, the twins in general. 7:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what the quest kind of was for 7:21 [SPEAKER_01]: and start looking for Holocaust survivor twins and they actually ended up finding about 122 twins that were still alive at the time. 7:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, this was back in 1987 or so, and they were never able to find out what experiments were done on those twins. 7:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They were never able to find any documentation from Dr. Mingla and his experiments, but they were able to have reunions for those twins 7:50 [SPEAKER_01]: which was obviously very traumatic and it was a good experience for them. 7:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I think to be able to get together and to be able to talk about their experiences. 7:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to go back to prior to Eva's life before she went into Auschwitz with her sister and her family. 8:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we get into that, I wanted you to tell me about the room that we were just in, where you could actually see Eva because Eva passed away, is that right? 8:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct, even passed away at July 4th of 2019. 8:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So about three and a half years ago, the age of 85. 8:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And so what we have here at the museum, and it's a relatively small museum, but we do have a very cool interactive exhibit called the Dimensions and Testimony. 8:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And what it is in a nutshell is basically you can have a conversation with Eva. 8:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And Eva was did this back in 2017, so a couple years before she passed away. 8:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She went out to California and was able to 8:51 [SPEAKER_01]: do this, it's basically a hologram and she was asked thousands of questions and so you can now ask Eva, any kind of questions from her time before Auschwitz, her time during and after and just here all kinds of responses, it's a way obviously to interact with the Holocaust survivor. 9:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, I tell people that it's similar to asking Siri or Alexa, it's all word recognition. 9:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a very cool technology and we're very proud and happy to have it here at our museum. 9:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the highlights of people coming in here to the museum. 9:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They, not only here, either story that actually get to hear and see Eva via the television, but this interactive theater. 9:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very cool. 9:39 [SPEAKER_00]: When you come into the theater, there's a life-sized screen at the front of the room. 9:44 [SPEAKER_00]: In an image of Eva projected on it, the room seats maybe 30 people and would be ideal for school groups. 9:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been almost 80 years now since World War II, and we lose more Holocaust survivors every day, among those who do survive, many were too young to fully grasp what was happening in the moment, many others, very understandably, would rather not talk about it. 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Being able to engage with a Holocaust survivor, in the way this theater allows us to do, is a rare and precious opportunity. 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That was something that I did not expect when I walked in that we were gonna hear from her. 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You walked into that room and there she is, just sitting there moving. 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, what's happening, you know? 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a great educational tool and it is available online and it's great for, we get emails all the time from teachers all across the country that use this and use Eva's story to help tell the story of the Holocaust or help teach it and so it's very moving and gratifying when you get those kind of emails that Eva is still making an impact on students. 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: all over the country and that was one of her big things and that when she was as she got older she would speak to more and more groups and 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: really related to students, both high school and kind of the middle-aid groups, they really gravitated towards her story, and she was able to impact, and to speak to thousands of students all over the country. 11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: She would travel and give speeches, and to this day, we get, again, emails, or even people coming to the museum saying that they saw Eva speak 10 years ago, and what an impact that the her story had on them. 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the best things about this theater is the fact that you can access it online. 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You can ask Eva just about anything. 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: She'll tell you about soap in the camp. 11:43 [SPEAKER_04]: In Auschwitz, I was given a bar of soap every week. 11:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we had soap in Auschwitz. 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: She also tells you about soap operas, which is how she learned English, 12:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was a program called as the World Tourns. 12:06 [SPEAKER_04]: There were young people holding hands and hugging. 12:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, that was interesting. 12:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And it became involved with the story. 12:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And every day, I turned out the television since we had only one station. 12:21 [SPEAKER_04]: That was the only story at the time of the day I could watch. 12:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And I started writing down words that I kept hearing them repeating. 12:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So I had put the long list of words after a few months. 12:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't know the meaning of the word. 12:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So I said to my husband, one thing, would you help me find these words in the dictionary? 12:50 [SPEAKER_04]: He said, well, I don't need to get these words from him. 12:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I said, well, I have been watching the movie every day. 12:58 [SPEAKER_04]: He said, you what? 12:59 [SPEAKER_04]: He will be watching soap operas, and he will kind of accusing me. 13:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I said, no, there was no soap in it at all. 13:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So I've learned to speak English a great deal thanks to Bob and Lisa use, and as the 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how many other Holocaust museums that are in the US? 13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: There's about, don't quote me, but there's about 25 or so actual physical museums. 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot more monuments, or... 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: something like that, but an actual physical museum, it's in the 20s. 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's not many. 13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Chicago, just north of Chicago and Skoki, Illinois, has this second largest in the United States. 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the United States Holocaust Museum located in Washington, D.C., which is very impressive if you've not been, is the largest in the United States. 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's go back to Eva. 14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: What was her 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was in a really small town called Ports, Romania, and it was herself and her twin, sister. 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They were the youngest, they had two older sisters, and they had a mom and a dad. 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They lived on a farm in Ports. 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They were the only Jewish family in this village, Ports is a really small village. 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The war breaks out in the early 40s, 1940s and 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The family thought they would be fine. 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They thought where the only Jewish family here in this village, they actually hired some village people to work on the farm. 14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And so they had a kind of that perfect childhood where, you know, Eva and her sister, they went through school. 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They were ten years old when they did get rounded up by the Gestapo. 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They were sent to a ghetto for about six months. 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they were sent to Auschwitz after that. 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So they were ten years old when they went to Auschwitz. 14:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the first 10 years of her life, they went to school there at Ports and they just had they worked on the farm and in the farm they had sheep and goats and chickens and those types of animals that they took care of and did chores every day. 15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a really happy normal life until it was all disrupted one night and again, 15:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into that part what was that like she had her parents and her twin sister after they do the all go to Auschwitz at the same time. 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they were in, as I mentioned, a ghetto, but the Nazis kind of sold it as a place where you'll be with your same kind of people. 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be with all of you will be together. 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be able to work and live and it really wasn't the case. 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: A ghetto was basically a holding tank before they were sent to a concentration camp in Auschwitz with the largest concentration camp. 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Eva and her whole family, again, were out of ghetto where they lived in a tent, according to Eva, made of blankets and other materials for about six months. 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they were put on a bakcar, a train, and we had to stand up in this trip bakcar with, they approximately 100 people. 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They think between 80 and 100 people were in each bakcar. 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And for three days, without any food or water, they were in this bak car again standing up and traveled to Auschwitz. 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know where they were going, but they ended up in Auschwitz. 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was in the summer of 44 in, again, their 10 years old, even or sister are. 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And they get to Auschwitz, they unload in the box car, and... 16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There were hundreds of trains. 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go to Auschwitz, they'll tell you there's about the height of the loading and unloading of folks in Auschwitz, about 4,000 people a day, or coming through there. 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would have been about the same time, but Eva and her family were going through, again, you're looking at in the summer of 44. 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They get off the Bach car, Eva and her sister, twin sister are holding hands with her mom. 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And the mom or Nazi guard comes up to the mom and says, are they twins? 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And the mom said, is that a good thing? 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And he says yes. 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So she says yes. 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And that Nazi guard then grabs the twin girls, even her sister and drags them away. 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is essentially the last time 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: mother and then her family as well and they call it the selection platform off after you get off the box guard and they call it that because they would have a Nazi doctor or Nazi guard right there and they would literally select. 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They would tell you go to the left or to the right and go to the left meant you're going to go to the work camp that we did have a work camp there at Auschwitz 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: older, frail or pregnant or what have you, they could send you to the right and to the right meant you were going to go straight to the gas chambers. 18:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And they think that's what happened to Eva's mom and dad and her two older sisters, there is no record of them ever being at Auschwitz and they obviously did not keep many records of those who they sent straight to the gas chambers and that's exactly what they think happened to Eva and Eva's family and then even Miriam again 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: under the direction and experimented by a doctor Joseph Mingle at their time there in the awesome way. 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: How old were their older sisters? 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They were 13 and 14 at the time. 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, even her sister were 10, so her older sisters were just 14, so still relatively young. 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What all did she say about after her and her sister were picked from that spot? 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: What all was her memory like from her time at 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's incredible part is she was and you can ask her this when online and through the dimensions and testimony she talks about her time. 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: She remembers her first night at the camp and she remembers going to the latrine in the barrack where they had twins. 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There was twins were separated and in their own kind of barrack and she went to the latrine and 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: children laying on the floor in the lepreying in the first night that they're there. 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And she made a vow to herself that she would do everything she could to survive, and that she would see that Miriam survived as well. 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she talks about just the brutal conditions that they were under and how that they were experimented on almost every day. 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: they would have blood drawn, they would have their, they would be stripped naked and to have everything on their body measured and looked at from their ears to their eyes to their nose. 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, because they were twins, they were able to, 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what the fascination was, especially with Dr. Mingla, was on wins and they were, I didn't even in her sister were identical twins. 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They think, they don't know. 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They're early on in life. 20:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You definitely, in early pictures and even after all, you can tell that they were identical, but later in life, they definitely did not look the same. 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But they were very difficult conditions, obviously, for anyone there, at Auschwitz, but especially for a young, 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And being 10 years old, I'm sure they weren't even aware of what type of tests were being done on them. 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They were, again, they know they were experimenting along. 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a time, Eva was injected with something. 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what, and because they've never found any records of what Dr. Mingola kept and what experiments did exactly. 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But Eva was injected with something and got very sick. 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She had a fever and she ended up going being put in the hospital there at Auschwitz. 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And she remembers, and she'll tell you this, that she was Dr. Mingola coming up. 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: to her and being surrounded by some other doctors and nurses and saying oh it's poor child she only has two weeks to live she's so young that's too bad and even remembers that and she tells that story. 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But she also, again, made a vow that day that she was going to survive. 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And two weeks later, after she had this fever, fever breaks, and she ends up going back to the barric and finding Miriam and surviving. 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But the answer to your question is, yeah, they don't know what experiments were done on them. 21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Different experiments were done on different twins for variety of reasons. 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, they just have never been able to find any documentation of Dr. 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Mingle's experiments. 22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So they just really don't do not know what was done. 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You said her twin sister's name is Maryam. 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So later in life, when Maryam starts having was a kidney problems? 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So when that was happening, they thought that it possibly was related to the test that were being done at the Can'tatham. 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: correct yeah so it was in the late 80s they both even Miriam had health issues throughout their life but Miriam seemed to have more issues and especially again in in the late 80s she started having kidney failure and it was during that process that the doctors found out Miriam's kidneys did not grow past the age 10 which was the age that they were at Auschwitz so they 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Assume the doctors that for experiments were done on Miriam stunted her kidney growth. 22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, in the late 80s, even in the late 80s, donating a kidney. 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Even as kidneys were fine, they ended up donating a kidney to her sister Miriam. 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Miriam was in the passing away a few years later, in the early 90s of bladder cancer. 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't know if that was obviously related to experiments, but 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, and that's what kind of started the whole candles, a museum was the doctors at that time, again, late 80s. 23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They find out that Maryam kidneys are bad, and they said to both Maryam and Eva that, hey, if you could find other twins out there, 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: then maybe we do something. 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we could help find out exactly what how other twins are. 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The third kidneys are better. 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: What other health issues they may be having and so that's what Eva again and Anne Miriam just they founded candles at the time to try to locate other twins and to find out if they could find out their medical history so to speak. 23:51 [SPEAKER_01]: and they were able to find 122 twins and to talk to them and to find out more about them but again, we're never able to find out what experiments were done on any of the twins. 24:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Back in Auschwitz, at what point in time did they both start realizing that maybe they were going to be set free? 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it wasn't until the very end, again, they were liberated in Auschwitz in January, 27th, the 1945. 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously an important date in our history, and we celebrated here at the museum, the state of Indiana, Governor Holcomb, and the last. 24:29 [SPEAKER_01]: three years, I believe, as January 27th is known as Eva Education Day here in Indiana. 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's promoted where we talk about Eva's story and tell it. 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But the answer to your question about liberation is basically liberation meant that the Soviet army came in and they are the ones who liberated Auschwitz, but that meant 24:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically all the Nazis just left and they took off and they burned things, they tore down buildings, they did whatever they can, and then they just left. 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And so Eva, in Miriam, at least Eva would tell us that she didn't, she just remembered the Nazis just, she was waking up one day and the Nazis were just gone. 25:09 [SPEAKER_01]: There it is. 25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very quiet in the camp, and they didn't understand what was going on. 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: ended up they see soldiers wearing white and they didn't know what they were, but they knew they weren't Nazis. 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that was a good thing, according to Eva, and they end up giving him hugs and chocolate. 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're the big, the two things that the soldiers gave the kids, and I'm guessing others, obviously, there at Auschwitz during liberation. 25:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And what we were walking around the museum, you showed me a video. 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you explain what's happening in the video? 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the video was taken shortly after liberation. 25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So just a few days after, again, the January 27, 1945 date that is known for the liberation. 25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Soviets wanted to do a video. 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically a propaganda video for them to say, hey, look what we did. 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And we liberated Auschwitz. 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: and which is great and it's about a 20-minute long video and you can find it on multiple sites but if you just look up the Auschwitz liberation video, it's on YouTube, it's on the U.S. 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Holocaust Museum website and 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But in it is video of Eva and Miriam walking down through barbed wire fences with a group of other twins and other adults who have been liberated. 26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a fascinating moment in time. 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We are able to capture here at the museum. 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And we actually show that video, and even Miriam, our front and center, as they're walking down this corridor of barbed wire fences, and it's just a fascinating, again, video of history for us to be able to keep here at the museum. 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've actually been able to identify other twins that are in this same video and to be able to connect history like that, it's pretty cool. 27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: in the very front of the line is Eva and her sister holding hands. 27:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was very powerful too. 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it really is. 27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a large still frame of that video here at the museum and it's also at the Auschwitz museum in the exact same still frame of this picture and yet even Miriam wearing 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: typically where, but Eva said that after liberation, again, it was two or three days after liberation that they actually filmed this video, but during those two or three days, they would go around the camp, they being even or sister and try to find. 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: clothing that to keep them warm, it's January and Poland, so it was pretty cold back then and so they found these two basically male prisoner jackets that they are wearing in the video and they're holding hands and it's pretty powerful moment like you said. 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: After liberation at one point in time, did they try to find their family that was also sent to the camp? 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it was shortly thereafter. 28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It bounced around a couple of different orphanages and they ended up living with a woman who had twin girls and that was in Auschwitz for a while, long story, but they ended up living with an aunt in Israel. 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But in Eva's mind, as they were, 28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: going around a couple of different orphanages that she wanted to get back to ports Romanian, which is where they grew up. 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, in Eva's mind, she thought, if we survived Auschwitz because we were 10 years old, surely our mom and dad and our two older sisters were able to survive. 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: If we could survive, surely they could. 28:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And they do make it back to ports. 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And they go to the home and there's nothing there. 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's ransacked. 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: She actually, Eva would say that there were two or three photos that were crumpled up on the floor at the house. 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And we actually have those photos here at the museum and those are pretty powerful to their family photos, basically the last family photos that were taken before they went to the ghetto. 29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But they go back to ports and there was again nobody there at the house, it's ransacked. 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And they ended up obviously not staying in ports but they ended up 29:26 [SPEAKER_01]: living with an aunt in Israel and going to the high school in Israel because again they're 10, 11, 12 years old at this time at the orphanages and then they end up going to high school in Israel and joining the Israeli military after high school which is a requirement and I believe still is for all Israelis to, after high school they have to spend at least two years or three years in the Israeli military. 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: At what point in time do they realize their parents and their sisters may not survive? 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was Evod say it was when, again, they went home and there was, it was ransacked and there was nobody there because it had been a few months after liberation that before they were able to make it back home and I think it was, she would say and I think she does in the dimension of testimony that it was that that point that she realized that they would not be 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: In the next episode, we're going to reconnect with Eva for the rest of her story. 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Troy will walk us through her post-war life, as well as the mission and purpose of this museum, which is too offer hope and shed light on other forms of injustice in the world today.
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