0:00 [SPEAKER_04]: One of my favorite movies as a kid was the Lorax, the original with this song. 0:25 [SPEAKER_01]: When I first saw the Lorax, I had some sense that it was about protecting the environment, but it's more than a cartoon. 0:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a thinly veiled environment manifesto. 0:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize until I was much older, that it was also a strange masterpiece of historical fiction. 0:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, who'd you say you were, little fella? 0:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. 0:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I am the Lorax. 0:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I speak for the trees. 0:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I speak for the trees for the trees have no tons. 0:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And I am asking you, sir, at the top of my lungs. 0:54 [SPEAKER_03]: That thing, that horrible thing that I see. 0:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But that thing you made out of my trusty little tree. 1:02 [SPEAKER_01]: In the 18th and 19th century, that's how it went. 1:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Even into the 20th century, massive logging efforts went unchecked all over North America. 1:12 [SPEAKER_01]: In mile after mile was raised to the ground. 1:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And in most places, nobody spoke for the trees. 1:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Hundreds of years earlier, when the first European settlers arrived, it was said that a squirrel could walk across the Atlantic Ocean to the Mississippi River, from tree branch to tree branch, without ever touching the ground. 1:32 [SPEAKER_01]: By the late 19th century, the vast majority of the original old growth have been obliterated, not even the red woods were safe. 1:40 [SPEAKER_01]: By the time conservationists were able to stop the bleeding, over 90% of them had already been cut. 1:46 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the striking things about the Lorax is that the villain is a reasonable person. 1:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not the kind of maniacal, exaggerated character you have found in a Marvel movie. 1:57 [SPEAKER_01]: His name is the Wahnsaler, and his name is a reference to the success and wealth of his glory days once upon a time. 2:05 [SPEAKER_01]: His name could just as easily refer to his one-time only, exploitation of natural resources, in the most non-renewable way possible. 2:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The one-seller is an opportunist, with no regard for the environment, but he's not evil in the conventional sense. 2:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Throughout the story, he's convinced he's just helping people. 2:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Those trees, those trees, those truffle trees, all my life, I've been searching for trees such as these. 2:33 [SPEAKER_03]: The touch of their tusks was much softer than silk, in the hand the sweet smell of fresh butterfly milk. 2:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I felt a great leaping of love in my heart! 2:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I knew just what I do! 2:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I unloaded my car! 2:48 [SPEAKER_01]: With this love and his heart, the ones who are meets the needs of hungry customers. 2:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He creates jobs and provides security and prosperity for his friends and family. 3:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I reach the stage where the potential is known. 3:02 [SPEAKER_03]: This business was too big for one once for a loan. 3:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So promptly I built me a radio phone. 3:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I called my brothers and uncles and aunts and I said, listen here, here's a wonderful chance for the whole once for a family to get mighty rich. 3:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Get over here fast, take the road to North niche. 3:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Turn left, we hockin' sharp right itself. 3:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Waste your time talking, They're left at me, I'll come to the house of the couriers, once where we go. 3:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Opportunities, not can tell they know more, spotted. 3:41 [SPEAKER_04]: We've got to get rich. 3:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Build the rich, know my holes in a stocking, They're left at me, I'll come to the house of the couriers, once where we go. 3:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He kills every tree in the name of progress. 3:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The Lorax, on the other hand, is the lonely voice of conservation. 3:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He protests in vain while cars race past him for exploitation, leaving him to cough in a smorg of exhaust fumes. 4:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Gentlemen, I wish to speak for the trees. 4:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Here are some facts to concentrate, uminate. 4:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It takes him much for a trusty Lucille to Germany. 4:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It takes 10 more years before the scene comes into a circle. 4:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It takes 10 more years. 4:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The once-alars invention is the so-called Thneed. 4:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Thneed is a fine-something that all people need. 4:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And it symbolizes all the good things that we have destroyed our environment to produce. 4:40 [SPEAKER_04]: The oldest assembly line comes in love with me I'm sering humanities, each and every knee Everybody do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do need a knee It isn't just a pretty best You should have a hammock when you need cash It's a toothbrush holder for you weekend, guess? 4:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Your canary will love it, it's a lovely nest 4:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Try it and soup it adds great zest. 5:01 [SPEAKER_04]: It'll cure those buggy pages in your chest. 5:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, 5:17 [SPEAKER_04]: It's in my nits, cover it or rust. 5:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The immediate upside for destroying our forests is always obvious. 5:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There's money to be made, jobs to create, goods to produce. 5:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The fallout from all these short-sighted decisions was more often than not, only discovered too late. 5:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The Redwood National Park is one of those rare cases where the conservationists arrived in time to save at least some of the trees. 6:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We may not think of it like this, but forests are an American institution. 6:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We have the fourth most forest land among any country in the world. 6:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And 8% of all the world forests are American. 6:13 [SPEAKER_01]: As the U.S. Forest Service puts it, 6:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We have about 304 million hectakers of forest land covering about a third of our land area. 6:21 [SPEAKER_01]: These lands range from boil forests in Alaska to deciduous forests in the eastern United States to pine plantations in the southern United States to dry caniferous forests in the western United States to temperate rain forests on the west coast to the tropical rain forests of Puerto Rico and Hawaii. 6:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The U.S. Forest Service manages about 77 million acres of federal land called National Forests and National Grasslands, roughly 20% of the forest land in the United States. 6:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No forest lands among those 77 million acres are more spectacular than the coastal redwoods in northern California. 7:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Words like epic and amazing are overused, but the red woods are so astonishing that when the British first heard about these trees, it thought they were fake. 7:13 [SPEAKER_01]: These tall trees, they were convinced, were tall tales. 7:18 [SPEAKER_01]: In their words, they were nothing but, quote, Yankee invention, a fabric that simply transcended the limits of nature. 7:25 [SPEAKER_01]: According to the NPS website, once the British realized that these trees were not a hoax, they're searched for a scientific name, appropriate to the giants, led to the adoption of wellotonia, gigantia. 7:39 [SPEAKER_01]: After England's revered statesmen and more hero, the Duke of Wellington. 7:44 [SPEAKER_01]: To say that America nationalist opposed the commemoration of an Englishman, with a new world wonder, would be an understatement. 7:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Washingtonia, gigantia, was their alternative. 7:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether George Washington's defeat of the British during the Revolutionary War, Sweden's substitution has not spelled out. 8:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, after 1900, American botanists still chided British correspondence for occasionally lapsing into use of well-atonia gigantic to identify the big trees and what might be considered or compromised. 8:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The Sierra Redwoods are now generally called Sequoia, Giganti, after the Indigen Chief, Sequoia, inventor of the Cherokee alphabet. 8:28 [SPEAKER_01]: As always, I reached out to Jim Burnett, longtime Ranger and Author for Insight into this incredible park. 8:35 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 8:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thanks for inviting me to come and talk a little bit about Redwood National Park. 8:40 [SPEAKER_02]: This area is interesting and server-spec just one of the newer additions to the National Park system. 8:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It was only established in 1968. 8:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of a Johnny come lately and the effort to try to protect the Redwoods. 8:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the effort to save some of those old growth trees really goes back to. 8:57 [SPEAKER_02]: 1913, some individuals from local groups there in Northern California, started some efforts to try to protect a few of the trees. 9:04 [SPEAKER_02]: A group called the Save the Red Bulls League was formed in 1918, and they're still operating today and they played a huge role in making sure that some of those growths were still here today. 9:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good thing they started when it did because by the early 1960s, there was talk really seriously about trying to have an astropark. 9:22 [SPEAKER_02]: only about 15% of the original two million acres of virgin red was distilled on cut in California. 9:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a 15. 9:31 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not 50. 9:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That's 15% not many of them. 9:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So finally in 1968, the National Park was established by Congress. 9:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And the new National Park area joined three existing state parks that had already been there for a long time and so finally in 1994 everybody put their history together and say why don't we just combine the operations of the national park and the state parks. 9:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The more of a seamless operation, so you'll see employees from both government levels working together there. 10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes good sense, but it's a unique operation as far as the national park system is concerned. 10:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So, as we're talking about it, I'm just going to refer to it as the park. 10:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And when I say that I'm talking about the combined bigger area of the national parks and the state parks here together. 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're trying to find it, 10:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The U.S. highway 101 is a major road that runs up and down the west coast and it passes either through most of the units of the park or it passes, at least close to them so it's a major excess point in order to try to find the park, but it's a really long linear park the way it's laid out on the ground, about 70 miles from the northern end to the southern end. 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So it makes it a little bit hard to fit around a single map, especially if you're looking 10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: That brings us to a tip if you're using those electronic devices for navigation. 10:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The park is careful to point out on their website. 10:53 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're visiting the area, then do not plan to use GPS systems to get you from point A to point B in the park. 11:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And they put it in. 11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: All caps. 11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's underlined, but this is do not the GPS systems do not have accurate coverage of the Redwood National and State Park's area. 11:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And they go on to share some examples that say people trying to follow GPS to get to the park have been sent through isolated towns, down logging roads, and adjacent forest, known to private property. 11:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they really encourage people to get a printed map to find your way around the park. 11:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can pick one up. 11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They have five visitor centers. 11:30 [SPEAKER_02]: scattered around the park you can get a pretty map there you can also download some ahead of time from the park website again do that before you leave home if you're going to get it don't count on being we get it in real time on your phone while you're there if you use way to find it if you just google the terms official park 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: map, redwood, national and state parks. 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You've come to a link on the park website that will give you place where you can find a JPEG version of the full park map, and they also have it divided up into an hour and a half and an hour and a half that will print on a standard size piece of paper. 12:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to print your own, you can do that and an even better way I think to find a great map and more information the park has a free visitor guide and if you just load this if you Google Redwood National Park newspaper then you'll get it a link to that you can save it's a PDF file and so on to your phone or your tablet you can use that in. 12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Since it's JPEG, you can expand it in zero and on the details to see the big picture. 12:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And that map is great because in addition to all the usual information, it has some highlights of some great trails and some of the primary spots to see in the park that are indicated on the map and it gives you a little brief summary. 12:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But each one of those parts are. 12:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So I found that really to be the best map to operate from is the one there in that part-news paper and visitor guide that you can download. 12:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we're talking about red witch priests and I got to think about that too and and you were going to be having this conversation and I realized that probably most people in America have heard of red witchries and maybe they know that some of those trees are really tall and then some of them are really big but they may be a bit fuzzy about the difference between maybe red witchries. 13:10 [SPEAKER_02]: and those big giant sequoias that we hear about at other places in the California. 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So the short answer is the close relatives, the redwoods, national and state parks, for sit-up, to preserve some of the last from any coast redwoods. 13:25 [SPEAKER_02]: They only grow in a narrow strip right there close to the California coast and up into Southern Oregon, close to the Pacific. 13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So the coast redwoods are the tallest variety of redwoods. 13:34 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, some of the tallest trees, the tallest tree in the world is a coast redwood. 13:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The tallest one is a just a tad over 380 feet high and to get some perspective on that, we've all seen pictures of the U.S. capital in Washington. 13:47 [SPEAKER_02]: See, if you get a middle picture of that building, how tall is from the base to the top of the 13:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You can visualize a pre-staining next at the Capitol going up for another hundred feet. 14:03 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a really tall tree. 14:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So to my mind, that's pretty impressive. 14:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the other redwood relatively is the giant Sequoias, and those only grow on the western slope of Sierra Nevada mountains in California. 14:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're bigger on in diameter than the cost rate was, but they're not as tall. 14:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're looking for a trivia question, the distinction of being the largest living tree in the world, largest based on total volume with plus the height, the top to currently largest trees in the world, or both in Sequoia and King's Canyon National Park during California, they're called the General Sherman Tree in the General Grant Tree. 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So just twice or shorter, but fatter and the coast red was our color and not quite as bigger around. 14:46 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's still some numbers still pretty dog going to press it in terms of their trunks. 14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So we said that the park here at the Redwood is his home of the world's tallest tree. 14:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It's big coast redwood and it's a little higher now than 380 feet is grown over foot since it was discovered just a few years back. 15:09 [SPEAKER_02]: was one of the titans, so that makes sense in terms of the name. 15:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It was discovered in August of 2006. 15:15 [SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple of naturalists named Chris Actans, a Michael Titer, and they were on a mission. 15:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They were out beating the brush in some of the remotest corners of the park, specifically looking for the tallest tree. 15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And 15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: When they spotted a possible candidate, they had some professional quality laser measuring devices that would give them at least a pretty good ballpark figure. 15:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they concluded when they finally found this one tree, this is probably our winner. 15:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And so in September 2006, they had a expert from Humboldt State University, guy named Steve Sillett, who studies Redwoods, and he's one of the round experts. 15:49 [SPEAKER_02]: They ask them to come back and actually measure the tree. 15:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So might wonder, how do you measure a tree that's taller than the 100 feet than the US capital in the East Ridge? 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You climb to the top and you drop a riddle on tape measure to the ground. 16:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not as easy as it sounds. 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: because you don't want to damage the tree in the process. 16:05 [SPEAKER_02]: They use some basically some techniques with a lot of ropes that you use from mountaineering. 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a really cool video about it that National Geographic was there on site and they filmed it when they actually measured this tree. 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: If you searched for National Geographic channel world's tallest tree, you'll see a really cool seven minute video to show how they did that. 16:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that was a pretty kind of interesting. 16:26 [SPEAKER_02]: There's also an interesting story about how this tree almost wasn't here today. 16:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It had a close call with the date with the saw mill. 16:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And the way that transpired was when the original National Park was established in 1968, then the Kimbercome Institute, of course, were logging on the private land that was adjacent to the National Park. 16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And they got to be a little debate about the new parks, some people felt like that in places they drew the boundaries and a kind of a logical fashion to some very narrow strips along some streams. 16:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And the felt like that was not protecting the trees in the park because of the clear cut these all these long steep slopes. 17:03 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a lot of erosion and stuff mud washing down into the parks and they were concerned that was a problem. 17:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And so some discussion started about perhaps when to expand the park in some places. 17:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not surprisingly, the timber companies were nervous about that prospect, about losing the revenue from additional timber that might be lost. 17:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they went on a really conservative campaign to cut as much as possible why they could. 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, if a couple sources say they even started using floodlights, they were logging 24 hours a day trying to see what they could get out of the woods. 17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: This debate went on for years. 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they cut a lot of trees. 17:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And finally, in 1978, 17:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And they added some additional areas. 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And when these guys came into measure, what turned out to be the world's largest tree, they discovered that the edge of the clear cut that was moving steadily in the direction of that road, stopped only a few hundred feet from the road of the highest and now the world's tallest tree. 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: The estimated it probably another two weeks that whole road would have been leveled and been nothing left of it. 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So just to go show that sometimes in any aspect of life, time, and really does matter, and that no one knew, of course, when the debate was going about that specific growth. 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that that close 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$5 off your race with a promo code chain. 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: S-H-A-N-E, happy adventuring! 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned the conversation our team had with local historians in Crescent City, California, in which they had been both grateful for the park and also somewhat sorry for the loss of the logging industry that had once sustained the area. 19:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be featuring the conversation in a future episode in the coming months. 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Our friends in Crescent City weren't opposed to the development of the National State Forest, just keenly away from the immediate economic impact of preservation. 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: In the short term, the saving of the Redwoods in Northern California was a wonderful thing for America, but a difficult thing for local families and businesses. 20:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it was and that's the big part of the economy in that part of the country and that was jobs and money and they're going to get with the good it's a complicated discussion and a lot of places when you get protecting the natural resources versus economic interest and it can can be some tough decisions. 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: as hard as it is to see local logging operations fail. 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to the question of saving ancient forests, possibly because of the lower X, I'll always be rooting for the trees. 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If anything, I feel a pit in my stomach over the fact that we lost 90% of them, by the time the conservationists stepped in. 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and really what 68 when the park was a creative essay and if all those intervening years wouldn't be the thing left, if it weren't some parks now, I'm sure they all be cut by now. 21:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the credit goes back to those local and state groups that go back to the 19 teens, the majority of the old growth stuff that's in now part of the, by national day parks were in those state parks that were created wisely. 21:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Some almost 100 years ago now wouldn't be there if those folks hadn't been on the ball. 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: at the local level, not wait for the things to get there and do the job for them. 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We visited the Redwoods before talking to Jim, and wanted to visit Hyperion, but didn't know where it was. 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We figured we'd see markers in the park, and there were none. 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: A brief search online also failed to yield results, and now I know why. 21:35 [SPEAKER_02]: There is one of the bit of irony about the story of the tall tree, this unfortunate kind of becoming a victim of its own reputation. 21:46 [SPEAKER_02]: area of the park and so the talk was between the park and these are the partner groups like to save the red was the we're not going to publicize the actual location of the tree we want to try to protect it and really kind of keep it secret. 21:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That works in these days of social media and the internet and all that sort of thing eventually the word got out and that proved to be impossible and so even though there's no trail to the area understand there's even some websites now they have the GPS coordinates and fortunately 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And so people are getting there and the habitat around the tree now is being the steadily destroyed just by the trampling of too many feet. 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the problems is that red was despite their big size really have a pretty shallow root system. 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So the moisture that's important for them to survive is in the effective if the soil really gets compacted by too much trampling. 22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And people are climbing on the tree to get photographs and selfies on the barks. 22:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Need damage a little bit. 22:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, so the park website talks about this problem and it poses, I think, a pretty good question. 22:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They say, as a visitor, you must decide if you will be part of the preservation of this unique landscape or will you be part of its destruction. 22:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that's a good thing for all of us to think about in this kind of situation. 22:59 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I found a story by a reporter from California who had a phone call on somebody said, would you like to go see the Rose tallest trees? 23:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It said, sure, a report is used looking for a good story. 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And she wrote a story later on about why you shouldn't go. 23:12 [SPEAKER_02]: She recreated having done it when it was all over for the reasons we just talked about. 23:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But she gave several good reasons why it's not worth the trouble. 23:19 [SPEAKER_02]: First, it doesn't really look all that special when you get there. 23:22 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're down on the ground and in the middle of a grove, a bunch of really tall trees, 23:26 [SPEAKER_02]: and you can't really see the top of them very well anyway because of all the branches. 23:30 [SPEAKER_02]: She says you can't really tell which one is a taller. 23:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not looking at it. 23:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not really all that impressive. 23:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The trunk is not as big as a lot of other trees in the park. 23:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's almost so what? 23:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Once you get there and see the tree up close and personal. 23:46 [SPEAKER_02]: There's also some practical reasons based on the slaves experience not to go. 23:50 [SPEAKER_02]: hiking was really long. 23:52 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no trail. 23:52 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of thrashing through some pretty thick winter brush and thorny stuff. 23:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Had to wait two creeks with water that was so cold and deep that are deeper now. 24:01 [SPEAKER_02]: By the time you got out the last one and the bank was muddy and she was worried about the fall and end. 24:05 [SPEAKER_02]: By the time she got back, basically the size of was a trip ready was a bummer. 24:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And so she was encouraged people, also not to try to do it. 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So the question is, if everybody is logical, that's why the park was there. 24:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We want to go and say these really big, impressive tall trees. 24:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And if maybe a tetanus not detail us, there are plenty of other great spots you could go through trees that are to the untrained eye, or even more impressive to look at. 24:29 [SPEAKER_02]: then this one. 24:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the several options I'll just list three right quick that might be of interest to visitors. 24:33 [SPEAKER_02]: The first one is a brand new trail. 24:35 [SPEAKER_02]: They just finished it in June of 2022. 24:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a, the name is great. 24:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called the Grove of the Titans. 24:43 [SPEAKER_02]: is the name of where this trail is located. 24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's in the Jettidias Smith Redwood State Park one of the units of the combined park there. 24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And that girl has a lot of trees that are over 300 feet tall. 24:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And also, they're among the largest redwoods on the planet in terms of biome because they have such huge trucks. 25:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to see some really impressive trees, the trail of the Titans is a great way to do it. 25:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And to avoid the problem that I just talked about, 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: with all the trampoline and stuff around the three big tree. 25:12 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of money for private groups. 25:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They put in an elevated, you would use your think of it as a boardwalk, but this is made out of a real heavy-duty metal mesh, which drains off the ground a little bit. 25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So you walk off through the grove, but you're not impacting the soil or the ground itself. 25:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a great way to get up close and personal with the trees. 25:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, only been open, now just a matter of a couple of weeks. 25:33 [SPEAKER_02]: The directions are a little bit confusing if you're just trying to find it if you're not familiar with the area. 25:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the easiest thing to do, the Jetted Diaz Smith, Redwood State Park has a visitor center. 25:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's right on the US-199. 25:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Himals east of Citi, California. 25:47 [SPEAKER_02]: If you go to the visitor center, they can get you some easy directions about how to get there. 25:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's about a two mile ground trip in and out to get to the growth of the Titans. 25:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Now if you want to get to an easier spot, the trail that's perfect for just about anybody, it's called the Carl NAP, K-A-R-L, K-A-N-A-P-P. That's the name of the trail with Carl NAP trail. 26:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's in the precreek state park. 26:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It's flat. 26:14 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're talking to the whole trail, it's about two and a half miles, although you don't have to hike the whole thing. 26:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It has got some terrific big trees. 26:21 [SPEAKER_02]: The trail is ADA, handicapped, accessible. 26:26 [SPEAKER_02]: We start right next to the visitor center there at Prairie Creek Park. 26:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's right off the Newton B. D. R. U. R. O'Wild. 26:33 [SPEAKER_02]: The Newton B. D. D. Cenec Parkway, which is a great drive with a lot of trailheads. 26:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably if you had a short period of time, that's the one drive to take in the park. 26:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a great place to get to, and that's a perfect trail for anybody that wants to see some big trees. 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: that one tip that might throw some people off until late 2021, the name of that trail was the Prairie Creek Trail, the name of the name of the State Park, and the California State Park system renamed it in 2021 to the 27:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Carl Naptrial to honor the guy that worked for the State Park System there for 45 years. 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And he developed some really innovative ways to build and maintain trails, his systems used all over the country now. 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So they've renamed that trail in his honor. 27:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're looking for stuff online about it or looking maybe on maps or brochures, you might find either name. 27:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be called the Carl Naptrial or I might be called the Prairie Creek Trail. 27:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't want that to create some confusion if people are trying to plan a visit there. 27:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And the last option for some really impressive trees, if you really want to get away from the crowds, let's still have a reasonably easy trip. 27:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You can go to a place called the tall trees grove. 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: How can you miss one man if you want to go see some big trees, right? 27:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Now before you react to your hiking boots and head off the door a couple of things you need, you know about that found one. 27:50 [SPEAKER_02]: When it raises, it's not too crowded as you can only get there if you have a permit. 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And the park only gives a set number of permits per day. 27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: What the permit does, it gives you the key to a lot of gate that set the start of a 28:04 [SPEAKER_02]: six-mile drive down a former logging road. 28:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's unpaved, you can still drive it, okay, in a regular vehicle, but it's a long, kind of a dusty drive. 28:13 [SPEAKER_02]: We get there, there's a small parking lot, which is one reason for the LinkedIn number permit. 28:17 [SPEAKER_02]: You can get RVs and traders and stuff in there. 28:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Once you get to the parking lot, the park says, if you're planning to visit there, you need to allow a minimum four hours from the time you get in your vehicle on the road to get back out. 28:29 [SPEAKER_02]: because you've got the six-mile drive-in, six-mile drive-out, and then you've got a four-and-a-half-mile round trip hike that includes losing about 800 feet of elevation going in, and you've got to climb the 800 feet of elevation coming back out. 28:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not a considered an easy hike. 28:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Describes is moderately stringuous. 28:49 [SPEAKER_02]: but it gets rave reviews. 28:51 [SPEAKER_02]: If you look online about a lot of people are talking about this particular tray on going to the tall trees grove. 28:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great place, but you just need to know going into it. 29:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to take some time for the drive, some time for the hike. 29:02 [SPEAKER_02]: What was previously the tallest tree in the world is located is part of that grove. 29:06 [SPEAKER_02]: What happened was that the top died back and it lost a little bit of its height, but still some very impressive trees there also. 29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's three places you can go without your 29:18 [SPEAKER_02]: and go really enjoy synergistic. 29:20 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to get a permit for that, you can only get them online, and the way to do it is just Google the terms tall trees, permits, and redwoods. 29:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, take you to the right length. 29:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The park understands that people want to plan their trips sometime, and I encourage people to try to plan them, and so they've got some places on the website. 29:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what you can do if you have only an hour or if you have a few hours or if you have half a day or if you have a full day. 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, if you look online and you search for walks and hikes, redwood, national and state parks, that should take you to the link on the park website that will give you all those great tips. 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: A few days after Jim offered these alternatives to Hyperion and encouraged us to leave the world's largest tree alone. 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The Redwoods National Park effectively shut it down. 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So many people have trampled the base of this tree, circling and standing on it that all of the fern life of the tree has been killed off, and the bark itself is eroding. 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: In place of those ferns, garbage and human waste is piling up. 30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately, for all of us, they've closed off the area to allow the tree to recover. 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Go visit one of the options Jim has suggested instead. 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The red woods are the obvious cinderfold of the R&P spread, but there's more of this park than just trees. 30:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know, most people go to see the redwoods, that's the big draw for that part. 30:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But there is a kind of a bonus there that some people may not know about. 30:44 [SPEAKER_02]: There is some really beautiful, there are several trails ranging from easy to difficult. 30:50 [SPEAKER_02]: If just want to get on the beach, not have a long flock to get there, close to the city California through the town. 30:57 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a place called the Crescent Beach Day, Euceria and the Crescent Beach Overlook. 31:02 [SPEAKER_02]: There are about three miles south of the town of Crescent City. 31:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You're a popular place to get to the beach and a bonus there, that's surprisingly enough, you can see gray whales from there. 31:11 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a resident population. 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You can sometimes spot on any time during the year, but the peak is during the migration, November, December, and March, April. 31:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps there's a big of a clear day and go to the overlook to take your binoculars and the way you spot them is seeing the missed shooting up in the air when the whales are spouting. 31:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But you can find all kinds of neat, real life and they're on the beach when the tide is out. 31:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the other reminder any time you're going on a beach on the west coast, be sure the tide schedule beaches a great place to walk when the tide's out. 31:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a great place to be caught when the tide comes back in. 31:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Their place you can get caught and trapped up next to the rocks and get back to the effect of your starting point. 31:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So check the tide table and check it ahead of time. 31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't count on having a cell signal. 31:52 [SPEAKER_02]: we get to the beach and look at it at the last minute. 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things I thought was really kind of fascinating for me about this park. 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I was intrigued at if you either you can't get there in person or if you want to get a preview ahead of time, they're definitely on the cutting edge for technology, they're part of their website. 32:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I was interested to see a notation 32:15 [SPEAKER_02]: reality to you in turns out they've got eight episodes with the call the virtual reality Ranger lead walks in the redwoods and they've also got redwood canopy tours and they've also got the peaceful redwood series and you can get these in the iOS or Android format so you've got the full deal of virtual reality hit sets you can get the full experience and if not you can still download some free software that's there's a link 32:40 [SPEAKER_02]: on the park website. 32:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You can kind of move around to the forest by using your mouths to drill a pretty intriguing and I was pretty impressed. 32:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I already shouldn't be surprised after all this park is in California and the world's tallest tree is only 400 miles from Silicon Valley, so maybe that all fits. 32:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Great place to go and I hope that people can go there and see them in person if not, check out their virtual reality stuff. 33:03 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1850, the forest now contained in the Redwood National Park covered more than 2 million acres today and measures only 17,000 acres. 33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: On the upside, those acres are truly virgin forest, which is to say they have never been touched by an axe or any other foresting tools. 33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2022, there are a few forests left of which we can say this. 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Part of what launched the initial foresting efforts was the failure of many prospectors to strike it rich during the California Gold Rush. 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Those who stayed needed to find other ways to make money and logging was one of the obvious options. 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the surviving trees are almost 2,000 years old, which places them among the oldest known life forms in the world. 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The average age of a redwood is between 500 and 700 years old, though they are capable of living for several thousand years. 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're in the redwoods, you'll likely notice the fog, and all this water in the air is important for the tree survival. 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The tops of these trees are, of course, unusually far from their roots, and the fog provides additional water. 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It also helps cool the trees down during the hottest parts of the summer. 34:18 [SPEAKER_01]: If you love trees and feel gratitude for the conservation efforts of those generations who have come before us, you will love redwoods. 34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It might even be your favorite national park, or if when you look at a tree and you just see a large disorganized stack of usable firewood, you might agree with one local one-star reviewer, Kate and W, who simply said, boring. 34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Another redwood parkator, Gabriel F, 34:45 [SPEAKER_01]: said, very disappointed. 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw this really cool three-part documentary in the theaters, about these apes that lived in the Redwood Forest. 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So as you can imagine, I was really excited to see a talking champ, but was severely let down. 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The documentary he was referring to is the recent planet of the apes film trilogy, partially said in this national park. 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry Gabe. 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: from Jeremy R. This place is beautiful, don't get me wrong. 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you have any expectation of nice, relaxed and quiet camping experience, do not stay here, it's absolutely ridiculous. 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Listening to dogs barking and screaming kids from sun up to sundown is horrible. 35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Worst camping experience on our entire cross country trip will not be back again. 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: While anyway, our time was the very definition of relaxing and quiet. 35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The dog barking does sound annoying, but I can say, where we were, we were fortunate enough to not have heard any of that kind. 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back in the next episode for the Grand Canyon, and I'll leave you with a closing scene from the Lorax. 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Where the now defeated one-seller gives the last surviving treffle a seed to a boy, encouraging him to regrow the forests and fight for the trees. 36:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing's going to get better. 36:06 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not. 36:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on a minute. 36:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Where is it now? 36:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But don't go, don't go. 36:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I've got something for you. 36:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, I'm here. 36:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It is. 36:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a truffle of seed. 36:18 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the last one of all. 36:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Catch. 36:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't muffin'. 36:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And除 the trees are what everyone needs. 36:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Plant a new truck here, treat it with care, give it clean water, feed it fresh air, grow a forest, protect it from access that has. 36:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Then the Lorax and all of his friends may come back.
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