0:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 0:24 [SPEAKER_04]: a really quick, actually comment about Richter. 0:27 [SPEAKER_04]: We're being told by some other women. 0:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he actually trafficked girls and may have actually been involved with the MK Ultra Project. 0:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if that's something that you better heard. 0:38 [SPEAKER_03]: But I had never heard of that until Cheney sent me an email about it. 0:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 0:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I've talked to the woman that he talked to different. 0:46 [SPEAKER_04]: She's not from Maryland. 0:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And she doesn't want to be public with us right now. 0:52 [SPEAKER_04]: But as she said, yeah, he recognized him. 0:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry, my dog's barking. 0:56 [SPEAKER_04]: He's a celebrity, what can I say? 0:58 [SPEAKER_04]: That Richter actually paid her family to take her to NASA in Alabama and to a hospital in Boston that he had invented some kind of shock box and that he was demonstrating it. 1:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And she was between the age of seven and 14. 1:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And her family was compensated for this. 1:21 [SPEAKER_04]: and abuse the family anyway, but they're income tripled because of what they allowed him to do with their daughter. 1:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And so she remembers being like in a medical theater with politicians who were paying for this whatever this project was doctors and Richter was her handler. 1:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, I know. 1:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And so bizarre, but we've heard more stories like this. 1:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So who knows what that man was up to? 1:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It fits with Mascal. 1:54 [SPEAKER_03]: When you two depraved people connect, it just fits. 1:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Makes it easy to believe. 2:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I get to ask you the million dollar question. 2:03 [SPEAKER_04]: What is your opinion about why Sharon May did not prosecute both what she said in the series and what your opinion is? 2:12 [SPEAKER_03]: My opinion, we brought Sharon May into it and along with a female detective that was working in her office. 2:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Her name was Donna. 2:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember her last name, but her name is Donna. 2:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I know who she is. 2:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Sharon interviewed 2:28 [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of people. 2:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And like I said, I turned over to her all of my notes with all the people that I had talked to. 2:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And that brings up what they recovered from the graveyard, because the whatever was dug out of the graveyard, 2:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going off on a tangent and I'll get back in a minute. 2:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope what was recovered was gone through by Sharon's in-house detectives. 2:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And I know that because Judge Kaplan, who especially assigned our case, called a Chambers Conference, and we all tricked downtown and Sharon was there with Donna and 3:05 [SPEAKER_03]: what Judge Kaplan gave to us and shared with us was a lot of communication between Richter and Maskel about various women. 3:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw someone when this is what I observed, this is what I'm diagnosing, he was sharing medical records with Maskel of many young girls. 3:26 [SPEAKER_03]: and because Richter's attorney kept saying, I hate it, I know what this wife has been sued. 3:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And Plymouth Sherry does. 3:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Clearly, he's involved in this somehow. 3:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And so the question where did all that stuff go? 3:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It was in the state's attorney's office, and their files go down to the basement when they're done with them, and then they go to anapolis. 3:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So 3:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that those never got turned over to Baltimore City Police. 3:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're probably somewhere. 3:53 [SPEAKER_03]: If they haven't been destroyed, they're probably in anapolis because the courthouse keeps things for our X number of years. 3:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to say six. 4:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I may be wrong. 4:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And then everything, buddy, goes to anapolis. 4:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Anapolis is like the eye cloud. 4:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody really knows what it is. 4:08 [SPEAKER_03]: it supposedly there. 4:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So Sharon had access to all of that. 4:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that she went and interviewed mascot because she told me that he had a relationship with a female and I said, you mean like a girlfriend, she goes, I don't really know. 4:23 [SPEAKER_03]: She's a girlfriend. 4:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a strange relationship but she was there with them. 4:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So I know she interviewed him. 4:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I personally think and this is just 4:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I personally think that the decision not to prosecute anybody or to go forward on this was not hers. 4:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was made higher up. 4:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I believe that Stu Sims was the state attorney at the time, I would have to look that up. 4:50 [SPEAKER_03]: But whoever it was, that's an elected position. 4:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're not going to alienate a huge portion of their support base by taking on a controversial 20 plus year old case. 5:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a political decision made by somebody higher up than Sharon May. 5:16 [SPEAKER_03]: She was the head of the sex offense unit, but there were a lot of people over her in that office, and this was getting a lot of press, and the other thing you have to remember is when this came out, and I don't know if you remember when it came out, it didn't get the positive reception that the keepers did. 5:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And people were ready to hear it, but at the time our case was going on, whenever something hit the newspaper, I got at least two phone calls a week from somebody along the line of, you should be ashamed of yourself trying to ruin the reputation of a fine man. 5:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You money grubbing lawyers, just trying to shake money from the archdiocese, you should go to hell. 6:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And I thank you for calling. 6:05 [SPEAKER_03]: But that was a really big part of the reception that our case got at the time. 6:11 [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a popular case. 6:13 [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people didn't believe it. 6:15 [SPEAKER_03]: didn't want to believe it. 6:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think people were ready to believe it. 6:19 [SPEAKER_03]: People don't want to think that those kind of things happen. 6:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think it was a political decision. 6:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Maskell ran off to Ireland. 6:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It's in it. 6:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 6:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Things heated up. 6:30 [SPEAKER_04]: What you just shared with us actually, I think I could put a piece of the puzzle in for you because you've just given me one. 6:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Shane, we can talk later about whether this should 6:40 [SPEAKER_04]: stay in the podcast or not, but the woman that you 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And that there were so many police reports coming in all at once that he said to his supervisor, you need to put Donna and I on this as a special project. 8:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And he claims that in him getting involved in the keepers, he still doesn't want to be named, that Donna said, please don't do this. 9:08 [SPEAKER_04]: This is not safe territory and he backed out and didn't really share much with us after that. 9:15 [SPEAKER_04]: But I know what her name is, apparently she and he were working with Sharon because he said to us they handed over all the interview notes that they had and he said they were about a hundred of first and second hand account second hand meaning this happened to my sister. 9:37 [SPEAKER_04]: or mine clinic sense and that he handed them up the line and then when they got to share in a he was aware that each of those people who came forward was interviewed by sharing and that they came out of her office crying. 9:54 [SPEAKER_04]: because she said to them, if you are going to go forward with this, you're going to look like a fluency. 10:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's going to believe you. 10:02 [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to be in the same. 10:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And he has a retired police officer. 10:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure now what side of the fence he was playing on, but Donna said to him, like when the keepers was coming out, do not get involved in this again. 10:16 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not safe. 10:17 [SPEAKER_04]: is opening a whole new Pandora's box for us, Beverly. 10:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I dare, I want to do that. 10:23 [SPEAKER_04]: That's okay. 10:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, are you kidding? 10:24 [SPEAKER_04]: You're talking to Jama. 10:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I will say that in meeting with Donna, her reaction was appropriate horror. 10:32 [SPEAKER_03]: She was horrified at what she was hearing because I met with her and 10:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean anybody that anybody that wanted a support system, I met with them. 10:42 [SPEAKER_03]: We met with Donna. 10:43 [SPEAKER_03]: We met with Sharon. 10:44 [SPEAKER_03]: We met with Archdiocese. 10:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I said in on many meetings. 10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And Donna was appropriately horrified. 10:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Sharon may be more skeptical than Donna. 10:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So when the whole thing dropped, I just assume I believe that somebody higher up had made a decision. 11:01 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going anywhere with this. 11:03 [SPEAKER_04]: And if they made that, yeah, we've tried to talk to her and train finally received an email back from her. 11:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel terrible for her because I think her practices probably ruined if she hasn't. 11:12 [SPEAKER_04]: retired because of the reaction everybody had to her segment in the capers and she didn't have to be in the movie. 11:20 [SPEAKER_04]: She signed a release form but we also know that her husband is a retired Baltimore City police officer. 11:27 [SPEAKER_04]: with the involvement of some police officers in the abuse with Moscow, that could be a real bad situation for everybody. 11:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So who knows what the reason was, but what you've shared with us is makes a lot of sense to me now about why it didn't ever happen. 11:50 [SPEAKER_03]: That's just what I believe because I would say that Donna was very, I don't want to say aggressive, that's not the right word. 12:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Donna was very energetic about pursuing leads and talking to people, and she had the appropriate reaction. 12:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And after I had met with her, was starting people, I never talked to her again. 12:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And I saw her, I think she was in the chambers conference with 12:20 [SPEAKER_03]: documents that they had unearthed in the graveside dig. 12:23 [SPEAKER_04]: So would, okay, so would your firm have said to these women who were coming to you, it's important that you make a police report? 12:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that we would have encouraged them. 12:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I think when someone would come to us and talk to us, I would always ask them, what is your goal? 12:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Because if somebody wants something that I can't help them with, then I shut it down real fast because we're wasting it right now. 12:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And if, and most often the goals were just, I want to corroborate these women that are being attacked. 12:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to help if I can. 12:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't recall telling people make a police report, we're called telling anybody we need to push to get this prosecuted because I don't think most of these people wanted it prosecuted. 13:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that my understanding of the sequela of this kind of trauma is that people compartmentalize it. 13:21 [SPEAKER_03]: and live their lives however they can and bringing it up and opening this box is painful and they do it for various reasons usually because they want to help somebody else. 13:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's give my story help somebody else then I want to do that but most of them in my experience weren't yeah I want to bring in the police I want to be on the front of the newspaper and I 13:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Just quietly say I have lived with this, and if I can help somebody else, and if I can prevent this from happening to somebody else, that was their goal. 14:01 [SPEAKER_04]: When Abby and I went down to the archives to get the case files was available. 14:07 [SPEAKER_04]: The notation was two very large binders. 14:10 [SPEAKER_04]: The notation on top said two binders or two folders and one box of evidence. 14:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And the box was never found. 14:21 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a reason. 14:22 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm going to guess that was the box that Judge Kaplan would have had access to. 14:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And the box. 14:29 [SPEAKER_04]: The archives tried very hard. 14:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Abby is very stubborn and very good with research. 14:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So who knows, who knows, there's too, there's so many, as you see, there's so many moving parts in this and there's so many opportunities for someone on the wrong side of the right thing to do to take action that it doesn't surprise me. 14:55 [SPEAKER_03]: You hit a lot of brick walls when you do this. 14:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Beverly, earlier you mentioned already what you think happened. 15:02 [SPEAKER_02]: to the materials from the cemetery. 15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to just clarify, so you say that at least the box that the judge saw, you believe just went to the archives inapolis. 15:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I believe that's where everything went because I believe that all my understanding is that all of the boxes that were dug up from the cemetery were given to the prosecutor as the detectives in Sharon May's office. 15:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they went to Baltimore City or even Baltimore County Police. 15:34 [SPEAKER_03]: to go through. 15:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they were taken to the state's turnies office for their review first. 15:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's when Judge Kaplan brought us in and it was like I said, I believe Donna was there. 15:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I know Sharon May was there and he shared certain things. 15:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I would say he probably shared, I don't know, 20, 30 pages. 15:55 [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't share a lot of it. 15:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't even a box and I don't know what 15:59 [SPEAKER_03]: his meeting with them was before he called all of us in. 16:03 [SPEAKER_03]: But because they were in the state's attorney's office files, what happens with files when they are when they're no longer active files in the courthouse as they go to the file room. 16:15 [SPEAKER_03]: for X number of time and then they go down to the basement and then after a period of time they go to the storage facility and anapolis and the archives that you went to. 16:25 [SPEAKER_03]: That's where I think they would have gone. 16:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I think people think that the city police had them. 16:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe that the city police ever had them, because the investigation was being done on a Sharon's office. 16:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So you don't think the story about a flood that ruined everything and everything got moldy and they had to get rid of it all 16:43 [SPEAKER_04]: accurate. 16:44 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what we've been told over and over again. 16:46 [SPEAKER_03]: It's possible. 16:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I will tell you that the basement of the city courthouses not a pleasant place to go. 16:52 [SPEAKER_03]: You need to tell it gun to kill all the rats. 16:54 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's not a fun place to go. 16:58 [SPEAKER_03]: But it could have happened sure. 17:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 17:01 [SPEAKER_03]: This is Baltimore it floods like crazy. 17:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 17:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And right. 17:05 [SPEAKER_04]: The storage facility that you refer to, we heard that there 17:13 [SPEAKER_04]: do you know anything about that? 17:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I do not. 17:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know anything about that. 17:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 17:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to ask one more question. 17:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You brought this up a little bit ago, but I wanted to get your thoughts on it. 17:25 [SPEAKER_02]: During the dough row case. 17:26 [SPEAKER_02]: When did you hear that mask would flood to Ireland? 17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: What were your thoughts about that? 17:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to think of when I heard because he, unfortunately, this was so long ago, he was my understanding is he took off after Sharon May's office got involved, because I know Sharon said she interviewed him at the rectory, I guess that's what it's called the rectory, and this was shortly before we filed suit. 18:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Sharon May interviews him, we file suit and suddenly he's gone and we had asked Judge Kaplan for the ability to take his deposition and because the issue before the court was this discovery rule question and the statute of limitations. 18:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Judge Kaplan said, no, we, I'm not going to allow you to take his deposition at this point. 18:26 [SPEAKER_03]: He only allowed us to take Dr. Richter's deposition because he was old and we thought he was going to die before. 18:33 [SPEAKER_03]: the case got heard. 18:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Beverly, can you share with us how you felt about participating in the keepers and if it was a hard decision to make, you know, when it was in a hard decision to make, when we were approached, Phil Dante's was not in is not in good health. 18:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And so he wasn't able to help. 18:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And I talked to Jim Manjo and I don't know how much, you know, about Jim Manjo, but he's still a practicing Catholic 18:56 [SPEAKER_03]: his father died when he was young and a Catholic priest served as a substitute father for his family and this man was evidently a lovely wonderful person and Jim Maggio's position was I'll help them anyway I can but I don't want to be on camera so it's like okay I guess it's me I was happy to help them have very fond feelings for 19:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Teresa and Jeannie and as a mother, the idea of someone doing that to children just horrifies me and so I was happy too and I was actually thrilled that the keepers coming out after 19:37 [SPEAKER_03]: spotlight, which I think laid some groundwork. 19:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I was happy that it was so well received, because I think that if nothing else, what the keeper did is it increased awareness of how prevalent this is and the... 19:52 [SPEAKER_03]: scars that it leave. 19:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's funny because almost uniformly people that I talked to that saw the keepers say that they were angry when it was over. 20:04 [SPEAKER_03]: They said I was so man had a young friend who said I finished watching it at 2 a.m. and then I went out. 20:10 [SPEAKER_03]: and stopped through my neighborhood for an hour. 20:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I just was so angry. 20:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I was angry that it happened. 20:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I was angry that nobody was ever held accountable. 20:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I was angry that these women were treated the way they were. 20:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I was just angry. 20:25 [SPEAKER_03]: and I think it's gotten the next generation talking about it and talking about sexual abuse and talking about institutions that protect and cover up. 20:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I know my daughter Sydney and her group of 30 something friends follow this and 20:41 [SPEAKER_03]: are adamant about what can be done to prevent it and so I think that's the really good thing that's coming from the keepers. 20:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully the children of the next generation won't be as as subject to what these women went through because of awareness and actions taken. 21:00 [SPEAKER_03]: to make sure it doesn't happen. 21:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it also gets people talking, which is a good thing, because on the age of these women, and I've thought, were I in this situation and had I gone home and told my mother, which she believed me and the answer quite honestly is probably not. 21:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's terrible. 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: The keepers was released two years ago now. 21:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to know what it's been like for you personally. 21:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd also like to know, did you ever think that there would be an attorney General's investigation in Maryland? 21:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Could you have fathom that during the dough row case? 21:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, because like I said, this wasn't well received at the time. 21:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what, since it came out, I've had two things to have. 21:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, three things actually have happened. 21:41 [SPEAKER_03]: One, 21:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I've gotten recognized. 21:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I got stopped in the produce section at Giant One Day, a woman who wanted to talk about it too. 21:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been contacted by a lot of people around the country who said, can you help me? 21:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And in the process, I'm semi-retired, shedding things down and I'm a family of can't help people, but it just shows you the pain that these victims are going through, and they just want somebody to hear them and help them. 22:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And that, 22:08 [SPEAKER_03]: is very sad. 22:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And third, I think my kids have new respect for me because when mom goes to work every day, but you don't really know what you're doing, what you're doing. 22:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Now they're like, wow, you were involved in something cool. 22:22 [SPEAKER_04]: You tried. 22:23 [SPEAKER_04]: So were they aware that you were being filmed and that you were going to be featured in the series? 22:28 [SPEAKER_04]: They were. 22:28 [SPEAKER_04]: They were. 22:29 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Beverly, you mentioned that you are semi-retired. 22:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you ever, I know people are going to ask this because I asked me personally. 22:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you ever do mediation for abuse survivors? 22:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't. 22:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't. 22:41 [SPEAKER_03]: That's awful. 22:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Joanne Cedar does a lot of that. 22:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I, and I've heard that Theresa's gotten involved in that. 22:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 22:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah, which is she's got bless her heart. 22:53 [SPEAKER_03]: She's got just an insight that nobody else does. 22:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Your heart breaks for her. 22:58 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a kid who was being abused by day in at night. 23:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Had to sit at the dinner table and listen to her parents thank God for sending Father Maskle. 23:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Just 23:09 [SPEAKER_03]: horrible. 23:10 [SPEAKER_04]: We want to give you a chance to either share anything you want or ask us for our listeners any questions. 23:16 [SPEAKER_04]: So is there anything before we've closed that you would like to say? 23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I just think that what you guys are doing, it's fabulous. 23:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And forward, I think it's just a main thing. 23:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the keeper started a huge ball rolling or actually your ball started 23:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And to the extent that it can help the victims is wonderful and to the extent it can educate the public and prevent this from happening to anybody else I think it's wonderful education is power and just the awareness and I'm just thrilled that people were as receptive I think Ryan White did an amazing job he's just such a talented young documentary producer and I thank you guys for what you do. 24:04 [SPEAKER_04]: we're so honored that you spent this hour with us. 24:08 [SPEAKER_04]: You are lovely and I've never met you except to see you in a movie and to hear about you from Jeanne and now to talk to you but it's such a pleasure to meet with you. 24:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I hope maybe we can do it in person at some point but Beverly, welcome to the tribe because you're all thank you. 24:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for including me. 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you so much. 24:35 [SPEAKER_02]: two years after the keepers, as well as years after Spotlight came out, do you think that a case like the Joe Roa case would have a better chance now? 24:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you would have a better case because a couple of things have happened. 24:49 [SPEAKER_03]: One, people are, there is more awareness and statute of limitations. 24:54 [SPEAKER_03]: That you, its limitations are being moved. 24:56 [SPEAKER_03]: The other thing is the DSM, which is 25:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it stands for diagnostic and statistical manual, which is the handbook of diagnoses for psychologists and psychiatrists now includes recovered memories as a diagnosis. 25:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So the argument made by the defendants in my case that this is voodoo science and it's not accepted is no longer valid because the American psychological association has it in their manual. 25:30 [SPEAKER_03]: probably go forward. 25:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, and I think the fact that the Archdiocese came out with such a black eye and this would hopefully give them some incentive to handle it with a little more diplomacy than they did ours. 25:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were just horrible. 25:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I can say that I'm not Catholic. 25:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I have nothing to lose. 26:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching.
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