0:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 0:31 [SPEAKER_03]: today, our guest is someone, you know, this is the person that is everybody's favorite attorney from the campus. 0:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Not sure if there were that many, so I have a feeling you're all thinking about this one. 0:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to welcome attorney Beverly Wallace to our program. 0:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, Beverly. 0:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for coming to speak with us. 0:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Hi. 0:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy to be here. 0:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for having me. 0:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 0:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to start tonight. 1:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So the first thing we'd like to ask you is everybody's been sending us questions, but the one that keeps coming up is. 1:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I came to be involved in that I got a job working for a man named Phil Dante's and Phil was lead counsel in this case. 1:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I believe he knew jeans brother and after she had been represented by Steve Tully. 1:39 [SPEAKER_04]: unsatisfactorily to her. 1:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I think her brother reached out and contacted Phil. 1:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I went, I was working for Phil at the time, and at the time, he was using a retired police detective to interview potential victims and witnesses, and I don't recall the reason, but I went and re-interviewed someone, and what we learned was that women were more comfortable. 2:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I think talking to 2:09 [SPEAKER_04]: detective. 2:09 [SPEAKER_04]: So I just started re-interviewing witnesses and victims and chasing down leads and that was how I initially got involved. 2:19 [SPEAKER_04]: It just seemed to be more productive than what they were obtaining working with the detective. 2:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you allowed to say who that was? 2:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, sure, his name was Richard Bussey, and he shared space in the office with Mr. Dante's, and he had initially done, I think, some of the interviewing. 2:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Was Jimmy Maggio a part of your team at the time? 2:43 [SPEAKER_04]: He was. 2:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Phil brought, when it came time to fall to suit, 2:47 [SPEAKER_04]: He brought Jim Maggio in, and the three of us, we used to call it our Wednesday prayer meeting, would get together every Wednesday to touch base and compare notes and see what we thought needed to be done in the coming week. 3:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And then once we filed suit, it became even more important to coordinate efforts. 3:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So we weren't duplicating what the others were doing. 3:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And we just divided up task. 3:11 [SPEAKER_04]: We had the assistance of the two box more son reporters who were doing some of our legwork, those and what I learned was that investigative reporters are relentless. 3:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And when I ran up against the brick wall, I turned around. 3:23 [SPEAKER_04]: They just got out a ladder and went over it. 3:26 [SPEAKER_04]: So we just got together every Wednesday for our prayer ratings and not that we prayed on a 3:31 [SPEAKER_04]: anybody to think we did. 3:32 [SPEAKER_04]: We certainly didn't. 3:33 [SPEAKER_04]: It was just what we called it coordinated efforts in touch based on what we had accomplished and what we thought we needed to get done. 3:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, a lot of the listeners are from high schools around the archdiocese, especially in the area of P.O. 3:49 [SPEAKER_03]: and I have to say that I actually knew Jim from high school and this is funny. 3:55 [SPEAKER_03]: He's not going 3:58 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's my memory of Jim Maggio, and I know that he's well-liked in his practice now in Caitlyn'sville. 4:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I think he's pretty much retired now, but he comes from a big Catholic family. 4:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think they all went to Perrocchio schools in Caitlyn'sville. 4:18 [SPEAKER_04]: So everybody knows the Maggio boys. 4:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, absolutely. 4:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Beverly, are you from Maryland? 4:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I am not from Maryland. 4:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my goodness, when did I we moved here? 4:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I think around 1987 or something. 4:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I used to be an operating room nurse and we moved up here and for reasons that aren't important I decided I needed to go back to school. 4:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So I went back to school and I hadn't actually been out of school that long when I landed with Mr. Dante's and started interviewing people for this case. 4:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I know for myself from watching the keepers, you remind me of a really cool ant that I have. 5:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And... 5:02 [SPEAKER_02]: you seem so kind-hearted. 5:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have to ask what made you want to become an attorney? 5:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to have some really nice reason. 5:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have a good reason. 5:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I had a good friend and we decided to go back to school and collectively we had six children and we flipped a coin. 5:22 [SPEAKER_04]: She went to medical school and I went to law school. 5:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And I would like to say I wanted to change the world or save the world, but it was something as simple as I needed a project and school was always something I really enjoyed so I went to law school. 5:38 [SPEAKER_02]: If you graduated from law school, did you start working with your practice then or was a later on? 5:44 [SPEAKER_04]: When I was in law school, I started working as a law clerk in the States Attorney's Office downtown in the sex offence unit, Sharon May, with my supervisor and my mentor, which is why I knew her and involved her. 6:01 [SPEAKER_04]: when we were investigating this case. 6:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I took the bar and passed the bar and I needed a real job and was splitting time between the state's attorney's office and working in private practice and ultimately just for selfish reasons because I had more freedom. 6:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I just left the state's attorney's office and went to work with Phil Dante. 6:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You said that Sharon May was your mentor. 6:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So did you think of my family over back then? 6:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I did think highly of her and I still think highly of her I think Sharon was one of the smartest people down there and she's one of the best troll attorneys I ever trained under. 6:41 [SPEAKER_04]: She's very good at what she does. 6:44 [SPEAKER_01]: life can get overwhelming, and talking to someone can make all the difference. 6:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help, the sponsor of this episode, make starting therapy simple. 6:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Complete a short questionnaire and you'll be matched with a licensed therapist, and as little as a couple of days, you can connect by message, phone, or video, from wherever you feel comfortable. 7:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the first therapist 7:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help include a journal for personal reflection, and daily group sessions on a variety of topics, and they accept HSA and FSA cards. 7:25 [SPEAKER_01]: with over 2,000,000 users, and a 4. star rating on trust pilot. 7:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Better help is a trusted platform for accessible mental health care. 7:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If you think you could benefit from therapy, visit betterhelp.com, choose our podcast during sign-up, and get 10% off your first month. 7:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Taking care of your mental health is a sign of strength. 7:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Start your journey today. 7:50 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the game everyone is talking about this year? 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9:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm trying to remember who I interviewed first. 9:53 [SPEAKER_04]: At first person I interviewed, I believed with a school teacher that had taught at KEL. 9:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And she gave me the name of someone else who are contacted and people kind of connects together because this person knew this person and this person and this person and this person that knew this person and so as I started interviewing people and what I was uncovering was on a continuum of inappropriate conversations to the other extreme which is what happened to genie and theories and there was a whole lot in between. 10:27 [SPEAKER_04]: In the meantime, the archdiocese was saying, we can't corroborate any of this. 10:33 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I was taking various people with me to talk to the representatives of the archdiocese, which is with a learning process in and of itself, because I always referred to them as old white man in black dresses, because these were the most clueless people on the planet. 10:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And I would take people to talk to them and they would look at me like, you know, what, what's the big deal. 11:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll give you an example of that. 11:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I was a young woman who as a 16 year old had gone to Ocean City and had taken a shower with her boyfriend and they had done a little manual exploration period. 11:13 [SPEAKER_04]: That's all they did. 11:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And somehow Maskell got word of this shower that they'd take in and he convinced her that she was likely pregnant, but that he could assist her and check and make sure so he has her disrobe and essentially does a pelvic exam on her on his desk. 11:31 [SPEAKER_04]: at which time he pronounced that she wasn't pregnant. 11:34 [SPEAKER_04]: She puts on her clothes and goes back to class. 11:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So as she's telling the Archdiocesan officials about this, she concludes and one of them said he touched you sexually. 11:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And she goes, I don't really know. 11:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not really sure. 11:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so. 11:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And they looked at me like, why are we even talking to her? 11:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, he didn't touch her. 11:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Why is she here? 11:53 [SPEAKER_04]: At which point I almost went across a conference from table. 11:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, on what planet is that appropriate? 12:01 [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't get it that I could have told her she wouldn't, they just didn't get that was abusive we know that a lot of men and women I don't know how about how many men came forward both when jeans family sent out the post cards and then when your firm your law firm 12:20 [SPEAKER_03]: put a notice in the newspaper and I remember seeing that and then sent letters to everybody they could reach that had gone to Kio because both my sister and I she was three years younger than I was and I was in the class of 70. 12:36 [SPEAKER_03]: We both received that letter and we knew nothing but of course all the rumors start. 12:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious as to if you have a ballpark 12:48 [SPEAKER_03]: people actually contacted your firm that were first or second hand witnesses. 12:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I would say probably between 60 and 70. 12:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And when I talked to someone, whether it was in person or on the phone, I must have that I did in person because it's not the kind of thing that I thought was appropriate to talk to somebody on the phone. 13:08 [SPEAKER_04]: If you don't know, if you can't look 13:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So I generally would hop in the car and go meet with these people and back then computers were in their infancy, but I kept a computer file of everybody I talked to and all their contact information and a and detailed notes of what they had told me. 13:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And I turned that file over to everybody. 13:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it with the thing exhibit in our trial. 13:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it over to the prosecutors office. 13:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it over to the detectives for the prosecutor's office. 13:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it over to the Baltimore City Police, the Baltimore County Police. 13:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it over to opposing counsel. 13:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it over to Sharon May. 13:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it over to everybody. 13:55 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, when the archdiocese comes out and says, we didn't know, we didn't have any of this. 14:01 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a bunch of bullshit. 14:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen a abbreviated as to about 15 pages long. 14:07 [SPEAKER_03]: document that has, it's not, I don't believe it's from a computer, it looks like it's from a typewriter that I received actually being provided for me some of the notes that were taken. 14:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And from some of the people that came that responded to the request or information. 14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And it would have either your name or it'll say fill or magic. 14:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And I've talked to a lot of those women. 14:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And they told me that their parents certainly did address this at the school to mask on himself. 14:42 [SPEAKER_03]: One mom was relentless in trying to get through to the archdiocese. 14:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Way before any of you were involved. 14:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just so unfortunate that nobody thought about reporting those phone calls on Iran or getting something and writing from whoever they spoke to that did indeed say that they did report this. 15:08 [SPEAKER_03]: It's very frustrating for everybody. 15:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, we didn't record anything back then, but I can tell you that all of my notes would have the person's name, phone number and address. 15:18 [SPEAKER_04]: It had all their kind. 15:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Unless somebody said, I don't want this going any further than this conversation, in which case I always respected that, but most people said, 15:27 [SPEAKER_04]: if I can help I will. 15:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And I turned all of that over to every body. 15:32 [SPEAKER_04]: So when like I said, when they say, we didn't have any idea bullshit, they knew everything that I knew. 15:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And I went to the Archdiocese probably seven or eight times with various people who said, this happened to me, this is what happened. 15:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And they just, like I said, these were clueless old white men and black dresses who just would look at me like, so what? 15:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So what is just was very frustrating? 15:56 [SPEAKER_04]: So 15:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Beverly, when you actually, when this went into a courtroom, we know it never went to trial, but it just had a hearing. 16:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And can you explain what a hearing is and what your role is during that hearing because I've read the documentation. 16:16 [SPEAKER_03]: of all of that, which was available at the archives. 16:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And Abby, no, tonight, cried. 16:22 [SPEAKER_03]: We're very different, but it was very detailed. 16:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And what actually is a hearing and what is your role? 16:31 [SPEAKER_03]: with the two women during a hearing like that. 16:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I think of a trial as you're trying the factual issues. 16:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And what was tried in court was whether or not our case was going to be allowed 16:47 [SPEAKER_04]: to go forward because their defense was that the statute of limitations had long since passed and therefore our clients were precluded from bringing the lawsuit. 17:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And we were trying to get it, and typically a statute of limitations will give you 17:09 [SPEAKER_04]: There's an exception to that called the discovery rule, which says if you can't discover something your time starts running, we need to discover it. 17:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And the prime example of this is if a surgeon leaves a sponge inside you and you have no clue, your statute of limitations does it run until you discover that this has happened. 17:33 [SPEAKER_04]: And at the time, repressed memory, if you want to call it that, was new on the scene. 17:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And our argument was that because memories weren't present in the consciousness of especially genie, then the statute of limitations should start. 17:53 [SPEAKER_04]: running at the time she recovered those memories. 17:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And the other side said, no, that's Voodoo science. 18:01 [SPEAKER_04]: That shouldn't be allowed in the state of Maryland, even though at the time, all of most of the states that had ruled on whether or not recovered memories affected or covered by this discovery rule had ruled in our favor. 18:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Maryland court said, yeah, no, we're not going to allow that, which made our case did in the water. 18:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And so what the hearing was, them saying, this is voodoo science, and they brought in Paul McCube from Hopkins, and they brought in a man named, I believe his name was Jason Brant, who is a memory specialist, also at Hopkins. 18:38 [SPEAKER_04]: We brought in our experts that said, we've examined them. 18:41 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a real thing. 18:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And the judge, Judge Hiller Capron says, I'm going to dismiss your lawsuit based on the statute of limitations having run. 18:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And after a day's testimony, we're both Theresa and Jeannie testified about 18:58 [SPEAKER_04]: what they knew and when they knew it and then we took it down on that legal issue to the court of appeals which is the highest court in Maryland and they said no. 19:09 [SPEAKER_04]: They said in a unanimous decision, no. 19:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Who attends the hearing? 19:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't think that Jane and Teresa were permitted to even meet each other. 19:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that correct? 19:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they were in the courtroom if I recall 19:28 [SPEAKER_04]: But anybody can attend to hearing, we just, we believed everybody, including Theresa and Jeannie, believe that if they were allowed to meet and talk that the opposing council would have an argument that they had colluded in order to get their stories on the same level. 19:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And so we were more comfortable being able to say they've never met each other. 19:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I know who they are and their names were in the keepers, but have you ever had any opportunity to talk to any of them since all this happened? 20:05 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of them are dead. 20:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Kevin Murphy, who was also in the keeper, defended the archdiocese, he came he's based in Washington and 20:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I have to say Kevin, in my opinion, with the most professional on the other side, his attitude seemed to be, I'm going to fight the legal issue and I'll deal with the facts later. 20:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think he was generally courteous to everybody and 20:32 [SPEAKER_04]: involved. 20:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Masco was defended by a good friend of his named Michael LaHane who was actually a maritime lawyer. 20:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he had ever seen the inside of a courtroom and he was just caught up in my buddy Joe is a swell guy. 20:48 [SPEAKER_04]: He was found dead on his boat of the Quint to this. 20:52 [SPEAKER_04]: The nuns were descended by a man named Tommy Harrison, who didn't really do much. 20:56 [SPEAKER_04]: They just rode on the coat tails of the Archdiocese, and he also is dead. 21:01 [SPEAKER_04]: The gynecologist Christian Richter was defended by a lawyer named down at Eccleston and Wolf. 21:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And I thought she was probably the least respectful to our client and treated them the shabbyest. 21:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And of course he died. 21:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he died. 21:18 [SPEAKER_04]: He had a big glowing obituary in the Baltimore sun. 21:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's just part out, bit and there. 21:24 [SPEAKER_04]: They left this part out. 21:25 [SPEAKER_04]: He was a reprehensible creep. 21:27 [SPEAKER_04]: He's the one that Bob Erlenson asked him if he had allowed masculine in the examining room when he was examining these young girls and his response was being a priest. 21:36 [SPEAKER_04]: It was his only opportunity to see a woman in that position. 21:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, sure I did. 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: In that, I remember Bob telling us that when we were in person in Baltimore recently. 21:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, I was just horrified. 21:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of Bob, we've talked in before on the podcast and our listeners will remember him as the investigative journalist covering the door. 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but can you tell me how you guys started getting together? 22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would love for you to tell us the story about you both dressing up for mass. 22:07 [SPEAKER_04]: We did dress up, I'm trying to think, I'm not sure. 22:10 [SPEAKER_04]: The connection was with Phil Dante's. 22:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I believe that he knew Jonah Rossky, the other investigative reporter, who has since died. 22:19 [SPEAKER_04]: They came in and it was Rocky beginning because they're used to their balls to the wall kind of investigation. 22:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And I, 22:30 [SPEAKER_04]: banged heads with them a couple of times thinking saying, you can't do that. 22:35 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a more delicate situation. 22:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And if I'm giving you access to things, you have to treat it with respect. 22:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And we reached a really nice working relationship where they didn't publish anything. 22:47 [SPEAKER_04]: that we didn't say it's okay to publish, not that we had approval. 22:50 [SPEAKER_04]: We certainly didn't do that, but if they were going to run a story, we made sure that it was the timing was okay with us. 22:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Bob was great fun. 22:58 [SPEAKER_04]: We decided to go to Mass. 23:00 [SPEAKER_04]: We want to ask her was still holding Mass. 23:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And we just wanted to see this creep. 23:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not Catholic, and I don't think Bob is. 23:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So I ask everybody, what do you wear? 23:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And so Mass casual. 23:12 [SPEAKER_04]: So we go to a Mass on a Saturday at 6 p.m. 23:16 [SPEAKER_04]: blue collar neighborhood. 23:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I had on a pair of white wool slacks and a sweater, Bob had on khakis and a navy blazer and a cotton shirt with a button down collar. 23:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody else there had on blue jean and flannel shirts. 23:32 [SPEAKER_04]: We just stood out like a neon flashing light. 23:35 [SPEAKER_04]: It was so funny because I'm going, this is nice casual and he goes, yeah, we're nice casual. 23:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was funny because we came out on the porch. 23:44 [SPEAKER_04]: after mass and masco standing up there. 23:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for coming. 23:47 [SPEAKER_04]: God bless you and all that. 23:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And Bob Lean's over to me is that you want to shake his hand. 23:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, hell, no. 23:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I might not be able to wash it off. 23:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'd ducked off that's five through the bushes. 23:58 [SPEAKER_04]: So these two fairly well-dressed people are headed through the bushes after I'm unsure of people were clueless as to what these people are doing. 24:06 [SPEAKER_04]: It was pretty funny. 24:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know that you were? 24:09 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't think so. 24:10 [SPEAKER_04]: We never said a word to him personally at Mass. 24:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Bob had interviewed him, but we never said a word to him personally. 24:18 [SPEAKER_04]: We just wanted to see him. 24:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that story. 24:23 [SPEAKER_04]: It was funny, but so forget the nice casual. 24:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Blue jeans and a sweatshirt or a flannel shirt would be perfectly appropriate in this neighborhood. 24:33 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll know that for next time, just in case. 24:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, next time, I can't trust my Catholic advisors. 24:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Beverly, what is your perspective on how the defendants in their attorney during the doro case handled that case? 24:47 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that I think it was very sad, especially the Archdiocese. 24:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Math goal, you would expect nothing less. 24:54 [SPEAKER_04]: But the Archdiocese, I'm not a Catholic. 24:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I always thought that the Archdiocese was like this benevolent organization that tried to guide the spiritual lives of their parishioners. 25:05 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a bunch of bull. 25:07 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a business. 25:10 [SPEAKER_04]: business. 25:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And if they had spent half as much time effort and money on really addressing the issues with priest abuse, it would have been a whole nother story. 25:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that their position and what they essentially tried to do is discredit our clients and make them out to be just to discredit what they were saying that these are troubled young women who are making 25:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And I find that extraordinarily sad because I don't understand the whole blind faith that you see in the Catholic Church. 25:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't grow up in it. 25:45 [SPEAKER_04]: So to me, it doesn't make a lot of sense and you teach your children that if nobody's allowed to touch you and if somebody does, then you tell an adult and they'll handle it. 25:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And so what you find is not only do they not handle it, they shield and defend and protect the perpetrators. 26:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And when someone comes forward and says, this happened to me, not only is the archdiocese looking the other way, they're trying to discredit you, the police are looking the other way, the prosecutors office is looking the other way. 26:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's kind of, I think it adds 26:23 [SPEAKER_04]: injury to what's out to the scars that are already there. 26:27 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's reprehensible. 26:29 [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't want to talk to us. 26:31 [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't want to hear any of our victims or witnesses. 26:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And they very hard-line that went to defend it. 26:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And that was successful. 26:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they came away from the keepers with a massive black eye and it cracks me up to see their efforts to try and ameliorate the damage to their reputation with the letters. 26:53 [SPEAKER_04]: They send out all that because they're a business. 26:56 [SPEAKER_04]: They're a dollars and since business, nothing more nothing less. 27:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And the fact that they're doing it in the name of God makes it twice as reprehensible. 27:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Maskel defending it as with his good friend, the Admiralty Lawyer, you would think that he was just the nicest guy on the planet, but that's what you'd expect from him. 27:15 [SPEAKER_04]: The gynecologist, we deposed him, he didn't claim to see an issue with having Maskel present or communicating with Maskel about the health of the young girls, which made me question, the paid his bill. 27:30 [SPEAKER_04]: He wasn't free. 27:31 [SPEAKER_04]: At what point? 27:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I know I have daughters, if someone had called me and said, hey, I'd like to take your teenage daughter to a gynecologist, that would fall squirrely in the old hill, no category. 27:43 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know how any of that even happened, but there was a lot of that. 27:47 [SPEAKER_04]: But he just, he was an old kind of out of it person by the time we deposed. 27:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Tampa didn't seem to see any problem with his involvement, and the nun were a non-issue. 27:58 [SPEAKER_04]: So before the thought of their defense. 28:08 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching this video, thank you for watching
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