0:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Before we explore Crater Lake National Park, I'd like to share a few pieces of General advice. 0:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope this series hasn't inspired you to see more of our national parks, so I asked Jim and Will for more than just parks to offer a few tips for those of us who are just getting started. 0:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say step one when you fall in love with kind of the national parks in that grand nature is like visiting a national park and then you want to see as many as you can. 0:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I would say step two is you realize that these places are getting fairly crowded especially in the times where everybody has vacation and so you say okay I want this same experience but I don't want the crowds. 0:48 [SPEAKER_01]: which is then you go to start seeing national forests and national monuments. 0:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would encourage folks listening to your podcasts to explore these places. 0:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Next time you're thinking about going to Glacier National Park, Google Flathead National Forest. 1:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Or if you're thinking about going to a Utah park, Utah has five stunning national forests that have the same exact scenery that you'll find in the parks without the crowds. 1:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yellowstone and Grand Teton. 1:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You have the Bridger Teton National Forest with Yosemite. 1:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got maybe four, at least four national forests that are located within the Sierra as their giant Sequoia National Monument, next to Sequoia National Park. 1:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So once you get, I would say the National Park will use out of your system. 1:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The next step is really experiencing these places without the crowds, and that's dispersion, which is important in a day of overcrowding. 1:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there are a few national parks now, particularly, I would say a select few that parkgoers know about, and those are obviously Yellowstone, Yosemite, and then Rocky Mountain and Zion. 1:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Those parks are just, they're absolutely bursting at the seams. 1:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They're so overcrowded. 2:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say that I could not dissuade people more to just not to go to Zion. 2:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it in the summer. 2:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Or they're too other. 2:10 [SPEAKER_01]: There are two other parts of Zion that nobody ever visits known as Colab Terrace in Colab Canyon, which are stunning, and there's no one there. 2:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And so if you go to Zion, definitely check those files. 2:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I just, I'd hate for people's first experience to a national park or first foray into that to be at a place where it's basically Disney World. 2:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You want the nature and you want some of the solitude and things like that really will give you that. 2:37 [SPEAKER_01]: sense of all and you're not going to you're going to get a different sense of all if you go to some of these overcrowded parks so that's something yeah definitely to be aware of if you're looking to make a for a into that. 2:50 [SPEAKER_00]: When we visited Crater Lake, it was magical, but it was definitely not Disney World. 2:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The snow was more than 10 feet deep, and in a lot of places, the park was fairly empty. 3:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We were able to pull right up to the rim of the crater, without reservations, which felt a bit surreal. 3:08 [SPEAKER_00]: after the traffic jams and Yosemite, which leads me to another thing that we learned on this trip, seasons matter. 3:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Each season has something amazing to offer in these parks, but if you want to avoid the crowds, you'll usually have to plan for that, or find lesser known paths to explore. 3:27 [SPEAKER_01]: even in some of these popular parks if you just if you get out on a trail and get out just get a mile away from the main road and the crowd start to really disappear and time of year is crucial visit in the fall visit in the spring but avoids in the summer choose your parks carefully and choose the lesser visit ones for the national for us because if you go in September off to over 3:52 [SPEAKER_01]: the crowds are minimal, even at a lot of the most popular national park, so you can wall send a rocky mountain and even Zion. 3:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But go at the wrong time of year and you will literally, I remember one time I went to Yosemite National Park on a Labor Day and Memorial Day or Zahalade. 4:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And literally I was in the car for three hours just trying to get in. 4:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the 4:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Memorial Day, stay in your backyard. 4:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I cannot stress enough. 4:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Memorial Day, if there is one time of the year, not visit a national park, it is Memorial Day. 4:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's suicide. 4:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't believe it. 4:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like herd mentality. 4:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's Memorial Day. 4:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We've all got to get the tent in the car and go. 4:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, no, wait, everyone else is doing that. 4:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Predicting which parks will be the busiest is trickier than you think. 4:45 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, Indiana Dune's National Park, a few hours north of us, has roughly the same number of annual visitors as your Simity, so simply heading to lesser known parks and expecting smaller crowds is not always the answer. 5:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Do your research ahead of time and make as few assumptions as possible. 5:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You might start by searching the National Park System status database. 5:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The detail of that database is staggering. 5:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You can see visitation numbers for every holding in the National Park System for about 20 different categories dating from 1929 to the present day. 5:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Now with all of that in mind, let's go to Jim Burnett for more insight on crater lake national park. 5:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Unlike most of the national parks that we've covered, crater lake is really centered on a single attraction. 5:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The lake from which it gets its name. 5:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Certainly, the big attraction of crater lake is that lake with that amazingly clear blue water. 5:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But people that live that part of the state 5:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the enormous amount of snow they get each winter. 6:00 [SPEAKER_02]: The annual average of looked it up is 41 feet of snow per winter. 6:06 [SPEAKER_02]: 41 feet, not 41 inches, a lot of parts of the country. 6:08 [SPEAKER_02]: 41 inches would be a big winter. 6:11 [SPEAKER_02]: But 41 feet is, uh, 6:13 [SPEAKER_02]: lot of snow to have to deal with in the course of the year. 6:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that brings up to my favorite top tip, if you're going to be planning a visit any park, and that's to be sure you have good up-to-date information, especially in a place like quite a lake that has such unusual weather. 6:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I say that because during my 30 years as a ranger it was sad to sometimes meet 6:41 [SPEAKER_02]: wasn't positive because either a road or a trail to some other feature wasn't open yet for the summer because it's still buried under a several feet of snow. 6:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So you tell them that in June and they're thinking, how can that be possible? 6:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been 90 degrees at home now for two months. 6:57 [SPEAKER_02]: How can we be here in June? 6:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't get it to someplace because of snow, but that does happen. 7:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure Rangers have that conversation probably pretty frequently there. 7:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I pray to Lake. 7:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a good idea just to check the park website. 7:11 [SPEAKER_02]: for you to go to any park and just check on the status of what's opened, what's closed, the website on the first page you see a section called alerts and on the alerts for credit like even now in June, there's information that the part of the park that are seen it drive to go all the way around the lake is not yet open because there's still getting cloud out from the winter time. 7:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a good place to look for information before you go so that you don't get there and say gosh, I already count on making this trip 7:40 [SPEAKER_00]: One thing we found really helpful at Criter Lake was a free park newsletter called Criter Lake Reflections. 7:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's a good name for me. 7:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The lake with its famous for the flexion of the water, but you can download a copy of that just by Googling the term park newspaper Criter Lake. 7:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll find a link for that. 7:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you go to that, I feel like it's a good idea to go in and just download and save a digital copy of that 8:10 [SPEAKER_02]: tablet, whatever you're using. 8:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And the reason I say that is that a lot of places there in the park that you will not be able to get a cell signal or internet signal called it up in real time while you're there. 8:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So just download it and save it in that way you've got it right on hand and you don't have to worry about trying to come up with a paper copy when you get there. 8:29 [SPEAKER_02]: The another plus of that park information is that even if you can get a GPS signal or get it 8:38 [SPEAKER_02]: My experience with a lot of those apps is if you're doing something ready specific like driving a scenic drive and you have a particular pullout that you want to find, a lot of times that level of detail is not shown or most of the phone apps or GPS type things. 8:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes you a little blipping road with a pullout, but you won't know which one of the almost three dozen pullouts are along that road. 8:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So another advantage of having the part map. 9:01 [SPEAKER_02]: There are, in fact, 30, so 33 miles a road. 9:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So plenty of places to stop if you make that drive around the lake. 9:08 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing to keep in mind, although the part does not prohibit large RVs or people toe and traitors or that sort of thing on the drive, first you won't enjoy the drive very much if you try to take a big vehicle like that because most of the pullouts don't have enough space to park those kind of things. 9:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a two-lane road. 9:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It's windy. 9:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got some steep places on it. 9:29 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of places. 9:30 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some steep drop-offs on the side. 9:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There is on the park website and on the newspaper. 9:35 [SPEAKER_02]: There's an information about several places where if you're toeing a trade of example, you can have parking areas. 9:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You can drop that off and just take your vehicle. 9:44 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have a big RV and you're toeing a second smaller vehicle behind, take the smaller vehicle on the drive and that'll be it. 9:50 [SPEAKER_02]: much more pleasant for you and the people who are stacked up behind you on the drive while you're trying to creep around a curve would be a lot happier to you if you're not tying the road up with your big rig. 9:59 [SPEAKER_02]: One tip that I think will make a lot safer if you make that drive. 10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're looking at a map, it's easier to visualize this but basically the rim drive is a circle that goes around a circular lake and if you drive that in a clockwise direction so if you're starting at the rim village and you go toward what they call the north junction 10:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And then just continue around the lake on the eastern drive that will bring you back to the village, almost if you do that, the majority of the pull outs and all the pull outs, so we'll let you overlook the lake, we're going to be on the right hand side of the road. 10:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So in the right-hand lane, you just make a right turn, pull into the pull out, pull back out your back into the right-hand lane. 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to make any left turns across traffic, it just makes it a lot safer and you don't have to wait so long if it's busy to get into the spot you're headed. 10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So just an idea you might consider, you can take it in the clockwise direction that will probably make it a lot more convenient in safer for you. 10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, one thing that people sometimes will say, that's great. 10:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I can drive around their lake and see the water, but I want to get down to the water. 11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to dip my toe in it. 11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Touch it and see what it feels like, that sort of thing. 11:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a certain interesting thing to do. 11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: A one important thing for people to know is there's only one safe and leeway that you could get from the rim down to the water. 11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, it's not only, 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: very dangerous that's illegal just to scramble down and a couple of good reasons for that is some places more than a thousand feet down a very steep slope in the volcanic cinder. 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: is not a good place to try to walk on, per se, you're sliding in, scrambling in. 11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You need to take the one trail they have created for that purpose, and it's called the CLEAT Wood Coat Trail. 11:41 [SPEAKER_02]: That's also the only way to get it down to the lake if you want to take some of the boat tours they offer on the lake during the summertime. 11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like the rims drive, it gets a lot of snow, and they have to get the trail to shove it off and wait for the snow to melt off. 11:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's open about the same season 12:01 [SPEAKER_02]: or the only weeks during the year, you can get down to the Lakeshore and all the time you can make the drive all the way around the park. 12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So by say, well, okay, great. 12:09 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got a trail, bitches, which is grab our tennis shoes and hop on down there in a problem. 12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: This is another good example of why you really need to get some good information. 12:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of details on the park website, which is just to sum it up. 12:22 [SPEAKER_02]: The trail is described as steep and stringuous. 12:27 [SPEAKER_02]: over distance of 1.1 miles, it drops 700 feet in elevation, apart points out that when you climb back up, that's the equivalent of, I mean, 65 flights of stairs, and you're an elevation of almost 7,000 feet. 12:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if you're not in good shape, it's not going to be a fun trip. 12:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And the footing is not really good. 12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, this is the next thing volcano. 12:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the surface is crushed pumice, which is volcanic rock. 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really, it's premise like sand, dry sand. 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's loose and slippery and dusty. 13:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they point out this is not a trail for flip flops. 13:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Be sure you have some good sturdy shoes or boots. 13:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And know what you're getting into. 13:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Just make an honest size up for what your physical condition is before you decide to make the hike. 13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: The park staff, 13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Reminds folks that the majority of their search and risk to your operations in that park come because people get down to the lake and they can't make it back to the top. 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And so you don't want to find yourself in some news report about the latest risk you get a criteria lake and you tackle something that you couldn't do. 13:34 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that will be really helpful if going down to the lake shore or taking the book tour is the big thing for your trip. 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: If that's the main reason you're going to create a lake is man, I want to plan to just try it up be there 13:47 [SPEAKER_02]: first August and the boat tours are running. 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going over the next two or three years, you need to again check ahead of time and see the status of things that trail, that goes down to the boat dock and the lake was completed in 1962. 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's had a lot of wear and tear from a lot of hiking boots and many from other nature just from all the weight of all that snow and erosion and rough. 14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, frankly, it is really a bad shape and the 14:13 [SPEAKER_02]: they're around the dock with the bulkheads and stuff for damage to a couple of years ago in the storm. 14:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the park has been trying to get money to rehab of that area. 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And they finally believe they have the funds to do that. 14:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And they think it's going to begin in the summer of 2024. 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of years away from now. 14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're going in a few years, that project will probably take two years because it's a very short construction season near due to the weather. 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they anticipate their take two years and when the work is on the way, they'll have to just close the trail. 14:46 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no other alternative, there's only the room to work their anyway. 14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's no other way to get to the bookdog. 14:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if you're going and you really want to take that boat trip, maybe in about 20, 24, 20, 25, check that website, look onto those alerts on the homepage and they'll tell you whether or not that trail is open. 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, it'd be a shame to get there. 15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: We all said to do that and find out the startup possibility. 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the best parts of exploring these parks is encountering all of the little quirky eccentricities that you don't really hear about until you get there. 15:19 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the more memorable ones we encountered was here at Crater Lake. 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in the middle of Crater Lake and it's one of the things you'd never expect to find there. 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: A tree. 15:30 [SPEAKER_02]: A tree, and this is a very unusual tree and this is a kind of a fun story 15:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you hear about this, if you go to the park, you're probably thinking somebody is probably trying to spin your local yarn or whatever, but it's true. 15:43 [SPEAKER_02]: If you hear about the old man in the lake, this is really a valid local, I won't say it's, I guess you could call it a legend or a landmark or a high point, but the old man is actually a 30 foot long mountain hemlock log about three feet into a diameter and it's floating upright vertically. 16:05 [SPEAKER_02]: three or four feet over the sticks up out of the water. 16:07 [SPEAKER_02]: The rest of it goes straight down towards facing the bottom of the lake. 16:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first known sighting of this log was in 1896. 16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's been there a long time now. 16:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Scientists have used some carbon dating techniques and they estimate that what's now known as the old man is probably older than 450 years. 16:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Now over the time, of course, people got curious 16:35 [SPEAKER_02]: what did it do and so they had a study in 1938 to try to figure out how it traveled around the lake and how far it went and they found that between July and October that year the old man traveled a total of 62 miles around the lake which is average of two thirds of a mile per day just drifted along but on a windy day he can cover a lot more territory one day he covered three point eight miles just drift along with the wind. 17:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's probably inevitable that over time, some of this builds up its own series of tales, and stories, and some people in superstitions, some people say, and maybe they believe, I don't know, that the old man actually controls the weather. 17:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And greater lake. 17:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And in 1998, the park brought in a submersible, so they can try to get down into that deep water and study the lake and see what's going on. 17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: They got to think about this as they were polluting around the lake that they were free that perhaps they were bumping into the old man. 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not really conspicuous unless you're really watching for him. 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So, so we'll just tie him up on the Eastern shore, the big island, folks up in the middle of the lake called Wizard Island. 17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So, they tied him up that way he's safe and they're safe. 17:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The story goes that shortly after they did that, some big storms, a whole series of storms is blew in and they couldn't launch the submersports, the lake was just too rough. 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And shortly after that August, they had snow. 18:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, they have snow a lot of snow and quite a lake, but they don't typically have snow there in August. 18:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, the story is that the scientists finally decided that undercover darkness, they've better turned the old man loose, so they cut them loose and he went back to drift around the lake. 18:18 [SPEAKER_02]: the official version of the story is a weather cleared up and things were back to normal. 18:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can draw your own conclusions about that, but that's one of the legends about the old man. 18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of theories about how the law remains upright for all this period time, why doesn't fall over, why doesn't sink, a lot of theories nobody really knows, but a lot of visitors really enjoy the potential of it if they take the boat to it, they might see the old man during their trip. 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You can find, in fact, some pretty cool YouTube 18:48 [SPEAKER_02]: about the old man. 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: One of them runs about four minutes. 18:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a clip from the TV programs CBS Sunday morning that was back in October, 2016. 18:56 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really very entertaining. 18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll be a fun way to have a look if the old man, if you want to see him. 19:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Due to the weather and part of the road being closed, we were unable to drive the full rim of the crater, but it sounded like an unforgettable experience. 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It did also, though, sound a bit dangerous. 19:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, if it's safe to drive that rim drive, and another interesting story about that will hopefully reassure people that you're... 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: odds of coming to difficult to end it up in the drink, if you're driving that whiny road, or pretty slam as long as you exercise some reasonable caution on a whiny road. 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I decided I would research that topic, and as best I can determine, there've only been two documented cases since the park was established over a hundred years ago, where cars actually went over the edge and made it all the way down to the lake. 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Ironically, thankfully in both cases, there was nobody in the car when that happened. 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: No humans anyway, although in one case, it was a close call. 20:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The most recent one of those was back in September, 2010. 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Couple came to the park. 20:07 [SPEAKER_02]: They were driving a 2003 Volkswagen Passat, and they pulled into one of the overlooks at a place called North Junction, and they got out of the car, and they were strolling around, watching the sights, and enjoying the view. 20:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And it rolled in the kind of a arc across the parking lot. 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess against all odds after it rolled about a hundred feet, it managed to keep running going between a narrow opening between a big rock wall and a clump of trees. 20:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Made it right through that opening went over the edge. 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: fell more than 1,100 feet and it's unfortunately scattered and pieces all down the sand down the edge and it came to rest about in the water about 30 feet deep on the edge of the lake. 20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a lot of concern about that, but pollution from the gasoline and the oil and that kind of thing because the lake one of the big features is how amazing the clearer and clean all that water is but the situation was almost a settlement for another reason because it turned out that 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The occupants of the car had a dog named Hayley that they left in the car. 21:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And so Hayley was on board when the car took its trip over the edge. 21:24 [SPEAKER_02]: The good news is that amazingly, Hayley was ejected through the sun roof for the vehicle as it toppled down the slope. 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: He got out about 600 feet from the top of the rim and was really not hurt, had just minor injuries to come about the 15 minutes to scramble back up to the top. 21:43 [SPEAKER_02]: with Haley. 21:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So that ended well from that standpoint, but the park still had a big cleanup effort took a helicopter and a lot of hard work with some climbers roped safely from the top and they managed to get it picked up. 21:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So in the aftermath of that, the park tries to remind districts if you're going to get out of your car and it overla, please be sure the transmission is in park and just go ahead and set the parking brake just to be on the safe side. 22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I mentioned there was a second incident like this and just to prove that truth can be stranger than fiction, the earlier example of a car going over the edge and ending up in the lake was way back in October 1922, so a pretty much span of situations not a common thing. 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: This one went over the edge in the rim village area. 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And that situation was really close call because the people in the car had taken their baby out of the car. 22:40 [SPEAKER_02]: shortly before the accident because the baby started crying otherwise they were just going to leave in the vehicle. 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So the crying that saved a lot of crying later on and the baby was safe. 22:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, a big challenge in those days before helicopters, I'm sure it was really a tough time to retrieve that one from the edge of the lake. 22:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mentioned that sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. 23:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And here's the remarkable coincidence. 23:04 [SPEAKER_02]: The owner of that 1922 Lincoln's last name was Swanson. 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: The last thing, but one of the occupants in the 2003 facade in the 2010 incident was Swanson. 23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the odds are of that, but the joke is that if you're last name happens to be Swanson, and you decide if it's a credit lake, I'm sure that Park Staff will hope you'll be a special cautious when you park it, and it will look and be sure you have it in park and it's at the bargain break. 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: While the lake itself will always be the marquee attraction here, there is of course plenty more to see, in this 180,000 acre park. 23:43 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things Jim was quick to point out was the presence of both Ponderosa and Sugarpines. 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Gorgeous trees that were only enhanced for our visit by a thick layer of snow. 23:54 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that I did enjoy doing when I was Ranger was to help people take just a minute, maybe instead of looking at the big picture, look at some of the small up close things that perhaps they would notice and add quite a lake, pondries, or a couple of examples of that. 24:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of the sing pine trees and pine cones, but it's quite a lake they have a species called sugar pine, better the tallest. 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: largest species of pine trees in the world, but their cones are absolutely maize in their in-where between 12 inches up to 20 inches long. 24:25 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just enormous. 24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Bigger than a think about a NBA basketball player's size of their shoes. 24:30 [SPEAKER_02]: These pine cones are bigger than a big person's shoes, so they're rid of very conspicuous. 24:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you see one, that's what they are if you're saying, man, that's really a big pine cone. 24:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He came from a sugar pine. 24:39 [SPEAKER_02]: The best place to see those are in the southern part of the park here at Crater Lake, and the other tree that I always enjoy talking about are ponderosa pines. 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: They grow in places all over the western United States. 24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You can spot them because their bark is further thick and furrow has a kind of a yellowish, reddish color to it. 24:59 [SPEAKER_02]: The fun thing about ponderosa pines if it's a warm sunny day, people may think you're a little strange, but if you walk up to it and 25:07 [SPEAKER_02]: get your nose right up next to the bar can take you deep breath. 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a ponderosae will smell either some people say cinnamon or some people say smells like vanilla. 25:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Really it's really amazing it's just a delightful, wonderful smell. 25:21 [SPEAKER_02]: The first time we were back at Weston spotted ponderosae 25:26 [SPEAKER_02]: tell the kids they need to go sniff the pantry and they thought they had it lost and they've been on the road too long. 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But it really, it's a fun thing to do. 25:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Just a little trivial thing it's up and you can teach your kids and so pond roast pans or fun because of their smell like to get up close and personal to them. 25:39 [SPEAKER_02]: If people want to find those, they're credit-a-lake at the South entrance to the park on how we 62, 25:45 [SPEAKER_02]: just about a half mile inside the park entrance. 25:48 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a pitting area called the Pondroso Pondoso Pondoso Pondososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososososos 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It was especially fun for us to encounter the ponderosa pine, as we had recently been in Virginia City, Nevada, where an entire ancient forest of this exact tree had been nearly wiped out, to build silver mines during the silver rush of the Comstark Road. 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: When the local population tried to replant forests of these trees in the decades that followed, most refused to take, and failed to reach maturity. 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Our disappointment for missing these forests in Nevada made us that much more grateful for what we found a crater lake. 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: At the Ponderosa Saloon in Mindtour, our guide suggested that the Ponderosa Pine was a treat that could only replant itself to the shedding of pine cones. 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I suggested this to Jim to see what he thought. 26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: pretty specific requirements probably farther than the sprout is probably what the situation is. 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: How about that? 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can find them in the right elevation anywhere from the Southern Canada down to northern Mexico, because specific belt elevation wise that they prefer. 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: They have some on the south rim, the green canyon also, between the ultibar and the shopping area they're along that main road. 27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some ponderous stride off the south of the road there. 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I asked the best time of year to visit our timing felt right at the time, but the lodges were closed and we could have probably done with a little less snow. 27:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'd say about it in two categories where there's a place like Death Valley that was too hot in the summertime or a greater lake for maybe it's pretty snowing the winter, but it's a general rule. 27:34 [SPEAKER_02]: would tell people most parts of the country unless you're tied to the summer time because of the school schedule. 27:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Try to avoid going during June, July, August and a lot of places may in September tend to be nice. 27:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've had to qualify that answer though a little bit in the last few years because I'm sure if you watch the news at all, you recognize that unfortunately forced fires or wild land fires as they call them in the jargon of the trade are becoming a seem like more of an issue almost every summer and the smoke from the fires can travel an amazing long distance from large fires and so if you've gone to a place like crater lake where the 28:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We're in the big thing you want to see there is the view of the lake. 28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's all smoked up due to a fire, either close by, or even some distance away that is the wind is brought a lot of smoke in, that can be a kind of a detriment to your trip. 28:31 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, that happened to my wife and I and one of our lovers, we either agreed to meet we travel for long distance, we've got reservations for long time ahead so we're going to have made a trip. 28:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But when we got there, you could barely see the water from the rim because the smoke 28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's, in fact, gotten to be such an issue because sometimes a park there critical, it gets complaints about that there's, they actually have a page on the park website that talks about vis-a-billion smoke and they have a webcam where you can see what the, what the vis-a-billion is like before you go. 29:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not, thankfully, it's not a problem most of the time, but at times it does occur and again it's another one of those examples about to have a good information before you come. 29:13 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're, 29:14 [SPEAKER_02]: if you live close by and you're just going to run up there for the weekend or if you're on a long trip and that's when you're stops but you realize boy it's really smoked in and we won't see anything. 29:24 [SPEAKER_02]: If you know that perhaps you're going to adjust your atinerary and perhaps go back to cradle like another time when you can actually see the lake from the rim. 29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's at least another piece of the information that's 29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: but check and see what the smoke situation is before we go. 29:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just been a trend in recent years. 29:45 [SPEAKER_00]: A parting word from Jim. 29:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope people this team will have a chance to go to quite a lake. 29:52 [SPEAKER_02]: If they've not already done so or made to go back, if you're fortunate enough to get one of those boat tours in the lake, and you haven't seen the old man, what tell him I said hi. 30:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Crater Lake is the deepest lake in the United States, and the 7th deepest lake in the world. 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: At its deepest point, it reaches 1943 feet, which means if you stood the one world trade center, the bottom of it, the tip of the building would still be submerged over 150 feet deep. 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it is a volcanic crater, 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No rivers, streams, or springs, feed crater lake. 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: All of its water comes from rain and snow. 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The absence of the sediment in mineral deposits that these water sources carry with them is part of the reason that this lake is so incredibly clear. 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not only beautiful to look at, but it is also one of the cleanest lakes in the world. 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Similarly, crater lake has no outlets, so the only known way through the water can leave the lake is to evaporation or slow steady sea-page into the volcanic rock below. 31:00 [SPEAKER_00]: As Jim already suggested, this park is one of the snowiest places in America. 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: averaging 43 feet of snow per year. 31:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If you like clear, clean water and breathtaking views, you'll likely love crater lake, yet as with all of our parks, crater lake has had a chair of grumpy visitors and one storm of views. 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Gary B. 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Crater Lake is a very pretty place, but on a sunny 70-degree day in October, it was very cold because of the wind. 31:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The roads are very narrow, with no guard rails, with extremely high cliffs. 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We won't be back. 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Leigh T was more interested in keeping up on his newsfeed. 31:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I am scared of heights and there was no Wi-Fi, sad face. 31:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Bama as says, 30 bucks to drive around a lake is absolutely too much. 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I live here, pay taxes here, and you expect me to pay 30 bucks to just drive the loop around the lake. 32:03 [SPEAKER_00]: and finally, Zachary J. 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Zero Stars, the lake is bad and should not be a national park because it is bad, and has fish I'm allergic to, and it's thumbs down. 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't go ever if you can. 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Our last stop on this year's national park trip was the North Cascades in Washington State near the Canadian border.
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