0:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll check our glider. 0:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You're in the cave sugar glider. 0:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Work because I brought my high energy, not dried fruit mix to work because it's my favorite snack. 0:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's looking at it and she goes, oh my god, this is all the same exact stuff that they sell in my sugar gliders, like snack mix. 0:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I messed it up. 0:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Just it's for animals. 0:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Not for, you know, they sell it at the pet shop. 0:30 [SPEAKER_02]: She has a sugar glider? 0:31 [SPEAKER_02]: A couple of, yeah, two of them. 0:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just rocking. 0:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Racken, Racken's, and she's looking at getting in a prairie dog. 0:44 [SPEAKER_02]: She's had one before and she said they make great pets. 0:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They're very social, real cute. 0:48 [SPEAKER_02]: She's been showing me videos. 0:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, those are the ones that we saw. 0:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Colorado, yeah. 0:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, she's out from Wyoming or out in that area. 0:55 [SPEAKER_02]: She's had one before right now. 0:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They only breed once a year during the spring. 1:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want one, you got to get now. 1:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like 300 bucks. 1:07 [SPEAKER_02]: but they're real social, they'll, you know, want to be held and petted. 1:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, does she not like dogs? 1:15 [SPEAKER_02]: No, she has. 1:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she does. 1:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think two right now, two dogs right now. 1:22 [SPEAKER_01]: She just decided, you know, these normal pets, they're boring. 1:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, she just rescues and I think like a lot of them, she got like from rescuing and then just 1:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's cute. 1:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Not like hoarder, but just has, you know, a few pets, two sugar gliders, two dogs and some rescues here. 1:44 [SPEAKER_01]: She live alone. 1:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 1:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, since it's the spring, she's been expecting to get like, you know, people find baby retcunes that need to be raised to adulthood and then released. 1:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of things she does release. 1:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Or she'll find homes like she scours Facebook and Craigslist for like people getting rid of animals to try to find like rescue, you know, try to eat her arms for them. 2:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 2:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, everything coming on okay, Kim. 2:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a long drive. 2:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, with how you drive, yes, it's a very long drive. 2:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you come straight through or did you hide around the mountain? 2:29 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it just took down. 2:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's like, and I don't chew crap on me. 2:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'll rest in peace. 2:37 [SPEAKER_02]: We had to answer Santa. 2:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever meet her? 2:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I liked her. 2:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 2:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 2:42 [SPEAKER_02]: She's liked her. 2:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She's sweet. 2:44 [SPEAKER_02]: She's never mean to me. 2:46 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 2:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She was married to our oldest uncle. 2:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Please, please. 2:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Who? 2:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So gross. 2:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Such a. 2:53 [SPEAKER_02]: If when you think of like an old person guy, it is our an uncle. 2:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Half uncle. 2:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Half. 3:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the thing is, is like the best, the best story that we could tell you about him is at our grandmothers funeral, he went home with a cousin. 3:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if his second cousin, third cousin, I don't care. 3:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, look, we are not royalty. 3:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not over there. 3:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, 3:29 [SPEAKER_00]: When we talk trash like when we say that sometimes we got trash in our family That's what we talk about that makes the joke about going to a funeral pick up women to a whole new love Oh, yeah, well, it he's one of those. 3:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even have memories of him because when he's there Just kind of like He's there. 3:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember when we were young he was the gooseer? 3:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just about where you say that's the only thing. 3:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 3:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I think I heard him. 3:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's my butt hole. 3:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what it started. 4:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh's like, you know that it happened. 4:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Not by him. 4:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He turned my headphones down just like that. 4:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he did that. 4:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait 4:30 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, until I was an adult, I never thought about it. 4:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But when I was a kid, we would, I would go to my neighbor's house. 4:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They had two girls that were about my age. 4:42 [SPEAKER_00]: One was just a year older than the other one. 4:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a couple years younger. 4:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would, that was before this of war, right? 4:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty much. 4:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I would be at their house all the time. 4:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they played this game called Spoons. 4:57 [SPEAKER_00]: can't exactly remember how it goes. 4:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I used to play that in study hall. 5:01 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where you've been up here with cards and spins. 5:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you, you, you, I think you're trying to get a pair of something. 5:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Every, every, you put spins on the metal and you have to like grab them. 5:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you put spoons in the middle. 5:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And then people pass cards around and I think you try to get either a pair or three of a kind. 5:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You give it to the next person face down so they'd look to see if they want it and then they pass it on. 5:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So then whoever gets the pair or three, I can't remember how many it is, then you grab a spoon. 5:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else grabs a spoon. 5:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The person that doesn't have a spoon is out. 5:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like that. 5:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That gives. 5:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 5:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Only with cards. 5:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 5:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So we used to go over that we used to play that all the time. 5:43 [SPEAKER_02]: We used to play tampons and steady halls. 5:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing the girls had in their purse. 5:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have spoon. 5:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'd play a tampon. 5:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It works real great. 5:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 5:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And Josh was like, yeah, I got a whole bad. 5:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm right here. 5:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Just me and some girls play in tampons. 5:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But they always, they had a friend that would come over him. 6:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It was him and his wife at first, but then they ended up getting divorced, so then it was just him. 6:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But every time we would go over to play, of course there wasn't enough seats, and he said, Oh, come sit on my lap. 6:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Never thought of being about it. 6:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Never ever thought of being about it. 6:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's good you wouldn't. 6:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 6:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Until I got to an adult, and I'm like, ooh, that was kind of... 6:23 [SPEAKER_02]: In my, while my little ass was like, Can I sit on your lips? 6:27 [SPEAKER_02]: No, Tubby, get your fatter. 6:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I like feeling my legs. 6:34 [SPEAKER_00]: How's your feeling? 6:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's feeling pretty good right now. 6:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've noticed like the more that I use it, the more tiring and gets, but it's a lot better than what it was. 6:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But I have to tell you. 6:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I need to do this. 6:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I went to the dentist and they're like, what you have to go see a special ass. 6:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Always. 6:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 6:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And like insurance never wants to cover special ass is just stupid. 6:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have a friend who's a chiropractor. 6:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh calls him bearded daddy. 6:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, Mr. my jaw hurts too. 7:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Beaver. 7:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, working out. 7:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I go to his chiropractor office, you know. 7:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got some videos on Instagram. 7:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He works out. 7:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm a sound Mexican. 7:15 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't work. 7:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He works out and I'm in tight little shorts. 7:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's he's super, super nice too. 7:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So there he's a really good person. 7:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he just works by himself. 7:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So every month he gives himself a new plaque. 7:27 [SPEAKER_01]: This says like number one work. 7:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's hilarious. 7:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 7:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He's pretty clever. 7:31 [SPEAKER_02]: He's right up Shane's alley. 7:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 7:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so I go to his office and he had, I ran into him and at Motox, the coffee shop downtown and he was like, oh, just come on in and you know, that's a kind of practicing thing that I can tell I'm the same thing I know. 7:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So I go in and 7:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He has this bed and it's hard for me to describe it like you have to be there But there's this like thing that it stood up and you can either like lay back on it or you can like put like stand forward on it It's just like cleaned over a little bit and so he's like go ahead and you know put your back on it and for some reason And he punches them right for some reason every time I get on this bed 8:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's going to slowly lean back, and it's going to be fine. 8:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel friction. 8:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I'm a lot better if I can just like do it on the front. 8:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're tall. 8:20 [SPEAKER_02]: We like to be grounded. 8:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We like follow it. 8:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'm not agree with all that. 8:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so I get on there and I'm like, hold on for dear life. 8:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a rollercoaster ride, and he like swings it back. 8:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I survived that. 8:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And as I was laying there, and he was we were talking, I was just like, I wonder what he does for a jaw. 8:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got to find out. 8:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no reference. 8:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, maybe he just, you know, I don't know about a better. 8:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a damn well. 8:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So have you guys ever watched videos of chiropractors? 8:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't. 8:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't. 8:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've heard that it's like, I don't know. 8:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like how I'm fetish that poppin. 8:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why had no idea what I was. 8:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more of a pimple popper watcher. 9:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I have been to the chiropractor before with the girls because they always went because they were in cheer for the whoops, the other. 9:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for their hips. 9:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I always went and some, I'm like, oh my god, that has to hurt and him always like, oh, that feels so much better. 9:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so he, he starts like massaging my jaw. 9:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as he starts, I was like, I feel like Josh has gone through this process before. 9:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, as soon as I started, I was like, god, this is like, So guy, Revan, my jaw, I open up. 9:32 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get that locked jaw fixed. 9:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so, 9:37 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point time I thought he was going to break my jaw so he he starts like doing these weird things and then he's like I want you to like lay your head all the way over and he's like cracking it and I'm like oh my god This is going to break my jaw like worst case scenario. 9:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You know like oh my god the jaw is going to be broken I can't talk anymore 9:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be a damn thing. 9:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was gonna wear a bandage during the phase. 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: How did Shane lose his voice? 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he can't talk no more he broke. 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He broke his jaw at the diaphragm. 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: His jaw's wired shut. 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Who was the chiropractor, Daddy Beard guy? 10:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 10:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I also saw him all we know of anyway. 10:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, all right. 10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So turn your head and he's like, he said, 10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, no, loosen up your jaw, you know, like don't put any strength to it, and I knew that he's about to pop like my jaw and I, and there's just I can't allow that to happen, right, so like, I'm like halfway resisting, you know, and it's like, right, it holds like 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And then now he's like, all right, turn over under the side. 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, how do I let you do this? 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like when you're at the eye doctor. 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, all right, open your eye, look at the sick. 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: No, don't blame him. 10:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh, how are you? 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: As close, chain open your eyes. 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, why? 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you're going to put freaking air into it. 10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But then after he did the jaw, he's like, I'm going to work on your neck now. 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay. 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And he cranked like, popped your neck. 11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, all I could think of is like how many stories I've told about people's neck being broken, right, and I'm just like, I don't like that feeling I mean afterwards it felt okay, but hearing it and then like didn't make you wonder wonder what the difference would be between him doing something to help you versus something that was going to hurt you well as soon as he started popping like the first pop on my neck, I was like have I ever wronged him. 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: because all I could think of was Sweeney Todd. 11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I couldn't do that because I'd be like, can you choke me? 11:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you do this? 11:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Just a little bit. 11:39 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're seeing Swingy Tom, no, they sing it. 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh. 11:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But how's Charlie Depp in it? 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like the barber. 11:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he like kills people and they put it meat pies. 11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Hell in a bottle. 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really good. 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to watch. 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if I'm streaming somewhere. 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I watched it two weeks ago. 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, it is. 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at least. 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Several years old. 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 20 years old, I know. 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's really good. 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I really like it, but like every time now like that would like flashed to that barber because I was like, oh, I wronged him. 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: See, night, you know how I get in these situations. 12:15 [SPEAKER_02]: One minute, a handsome man has his hands on your face and then the next thing, things are popping, things are crackin and he's doing, making you do things, you didn't know we're possible. 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow. 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, no one knows where I'm at. 12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's on a lot of different platforms. 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been out for a while. 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it a lot. 12:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I started it once weird for me, but they started singing and I tended off. 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It was Johnny Depp singing it. 12:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What? 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: How did I have I never seen this? 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was seeing you saw it. 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I loved Johnny Depp. 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've established you know how streaming services show you like holiday movies. 12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember why ask you guys this because we're so much stuff that's been going on. 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was around Christmas time. 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember if it was Christmas or not. 13:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But they started showing Edwards's or hands. 13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's Christmas. 13:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It happens around Christmas time. 13:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it happens around Christmas. 13:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's snow. 13:13 [SPEAKER_02]: At the end. 13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it does because technique so Harry Potter because they're having like a barbecue and stuff, but then towards the end when they're like up on the mountain is no same thing as die hard, it's die hard a Christmas I never seen die hard or haven't so I could not tell you that they I can see how white Harry Potter would be stuff like where in a 13:36 [SPEAKER_02]: there's a couple scenes where it's Christmas right there like it's a Christmas movie right like Harry Potter plays at Christmas time because they have Christmas in it but I mean well the original two minutes the original diehard was it started during a Christmas party okay who knew not me there's more than one 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, I think there's two maybe three. 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Now does he die hard? 14:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Is he hard to kill? 14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there are several often so apparently he does die hard. 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: The finally have a last one, finally dead. 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, note that they can't make another one with him because he has dementia. 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah Is that like it's really bad? 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried actually guys about this like isn't it weird how like so many Hollywood stars are getting that I don't know that frontal lobe dementia. 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That stuff. 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that it's No need to learn lines 14:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't think that it's changed over the years, probably say, Mammot, God, I'm, you know, back in, they just wasn't talking about it. 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe put in a home and forgot. 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, still getty had dementia. 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was that kind. 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I just recently watched an interview with one of the writers. 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a writer. 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a guy who worked in the show. 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was talking about how initially they did not know that it still had dementia. 14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And so they knew that she would forget her lines a lot. 15:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, put him on raise and boxes. 15:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well in the beginning what they would do was and I didn't I knew there was some type of like drift between Betty White and the Arthur. 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I didn't understand exactly how or why, but in his interview he was talking about when when a stealth first start and this was first happening to a stealth and she'd figure her lines a lot. 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: what would happen was Betty would like get up and then start going out to the audience to keep them entertained. 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And be thought that was unprofessional like she should stay in character. 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And hindsight, he said, you know, now I look back and I wonder, did Betty actually know? 15:49 [SPEAKER_01]: that she was going through dementia and like that was her way of like making a still not feel like it was her fault. 15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, that or get there, get people's attention off right. 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because a stout, you know, she didn't want people to know and yeah, Betty and B. 16:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely, because B. 16:06 [SPEAKER_02]: She was from like the theater, you know, proper schooled acting, whereas Betty kind of 16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: came across that doing like game shows and Sitcom. 16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: She just makes she don't think they were on par with each other. 16:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That's that Betty said that be what and go to lunch without her. 16:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Like every day she wanted Betty just turned Betty to have lunch. 16:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. 16:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like. 16:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was. 16:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that, though, because you can disagree. 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can disagree fallheartedly in your profession, even. 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can still be friends. 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that's so important to me. 16:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And they both loved animals. 16:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 16:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Betty, she, I mean, it's widely known for much. 16:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And then B, she was a big spokesperson for PETA. 16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw an interview where she did where she was talking about PETA and whatnot. 16:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 16:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, uh, you know, did you know 16:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I saw pick that up her. 17:01 [SPEAKER_02]: No, BR30. 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, was it was she in nurse? 17:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure. 17:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember. 17:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember. 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember. 17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember. 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: what I was doing. 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh has to open up the snack. 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been working on something else and I haven't worked on this bit. 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty little blanket. 17:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to. 17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to work on something that I can do mindlessly instead of count. 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm here. 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So I stopped what I was doing and went back to this. 17:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I forgot what it out doing. 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Now she messed up. 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to have to have to tear out the whole thing. 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Not so mindlessly. 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: New. 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Get my sugar glad. 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I just have to get back in the groove. 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright guys, picture it, rural pavaria, spring of 1922. 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a farmstead that sits alone between two towns and it's surrounded by nothing but muddy fields and a thick forest. 18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no neighbors, close enough to hear a scream. 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know this? 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You know this was okay. 18:22 [SPEAKER_01]: When I said rural pavaria, I was, I thought maybe you were like, oh, I know this one. 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: the family hasn't been seen in days. 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Mail is piling up. 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's M-A-I-L, Josh, not M-A-L. Now, where my brain is going, how's I go? 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The children haven't come to school. 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: On April 4th, a group of neighbors finally walks the long path to the farm. 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The barn door is open. 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Inside, stacked like 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Inside the house, there's two more. 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: All six killed with a single tool, a madac. 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird. 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: The four of them was in the barn and two of them was in the house. 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, stacked like firewood. 19:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird. 19:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So a madac is a farming pick, by the way. 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But the part that still crawls under the skin of investigators a century later, the killer didn't leave. 19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He fed the cattle, he ate from the kitchen. 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He stoked the fire for several days. 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Tonight, we're descending into the intercathic murders. 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Enter chyphic. 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's interchyphic murders. 19:37 [SPEAKER_03]: One of them we're going to descend into, 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, hello gang. 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the haunted bunker where mysteries hide. 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Tonight I've got a mystery for my brother Josh and our mediocre friend named him. 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: A hundred-year-old mass murder on a German farm that nobody has ever solved and the crime scene details are some of the most disturbing that I've ever read. 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the hunter-cifix murderers. 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so this case has like fascinated me for a long time. 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So it happens, again, the German area in the days before the murder, Andreas Gruber told neighbors that he had found strange footprints in the snow. 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is the dad, the male figure of the house, that he had found strange footprints in the snow, leading from the edge of the forest. 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: to the farm. 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But there were none leading back. 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, that makes me think that there's someone who's like, stay in the house. 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's been heightened for a while. 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had also discovered a Munich newspaper at the farm that no one in the family admitted to purchasing or subscribing to. 20:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you said Munich newspaper. 20:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you are. 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: They have their own newspaper. 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: had quit six months earlier because she kept hearing footsteps in the attic and believed that the forum was haunted. 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, that makes me think someone's staying. 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Andreus reportedly found an unfamiliar set of keys on the property as well. 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite all of this, he told no one in any official capacity. 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't contact the police, so a lot of the neighbors and some of his friends he had told, but he didn't call the police him like reported. 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So my question for you guys is, if you were to find footprints like that, leading 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: From outside of your property, my ass would have been in the car and I would have been in calling and somebody would have come back and searched my house. 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, my house is done. 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I've done that before. 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I've done that before, like I've left my house and I didn't get the door shut all the way or didn't get the door shut all the way or whatever. 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'd come home and my back door would be standing wide open. 21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, I called my uncle, I said, hey, can you come over here and look through the house? 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not going to bring the gun. 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure this is probably what happened because it happened more than once. 22:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the multiple people that just don't care. 22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 22:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm one of those. 22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: If I think I hear footsteps in the attic, I'm going to check the freaking attic. 22:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't get that like oh must be now you can tell a difference between a fricking squirrel and the attic and human foot Stats like hmm. 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how it foot steps. 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If I hear a strange noise, I'm hiding underneath a blanket I'm not going to go look. 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I wouldn't but I'd send one of the men on the farm. 22:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Bad brother uncle, whoever, you know, who's the biggest? 22:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right. 22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll pull the light up. 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: For me, so this farm was an isolated farmstead. 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It was about 70 kilometers north of Munich, and it was roughly half way between the two closest towns. 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I would tell you what they were, but I'll try. 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Shrew Benhausen. 22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that sounds right. 22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Shrew Benhausen. 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Shrew Benhausen. 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Invite Hoen Finn. 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope. 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, Hoen. 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: sure. 23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the farm was home to Andreus Gruber. 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He was 63 the patriarch of the family and his wife Kaliza was 72. 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Their widow daughter Victoria was 35 and she lived there with her two children 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Joseph was only two. 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Victorious husband Carl had reportedly died in the first year of World War 1 in 1914. 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Though witness accounts of his actual death were thin and there were a lot of conspiracy theories over the years after these murders that he didn't actually die and maybe he was the one that came back and killed the whole family. 23:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But the problem with that I think is like why would 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The groupers were not well-liked. 23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The family kept themselves and Andreas had a reputation as difficult and hostile towards outsiders. 24:06 [SPEAKER_00]: What's not good? 24:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know. 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get this. 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1915, Andreas and his own daughter, Victoria, were convicted of incest. 24:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh. 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Two-year-old, as well as a lot of people coming around. 24:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in the two-year-old boy, Joseph 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: was he towheaded? 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 24:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But my, some, another question I have for both of you is if the family was already hiding that deep secret, do you feel like it changes how this crime happened and like maybe the outcome? 24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that would give probable calls if I'm saying that right to her husband to want. 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that that would make me a little mad if I'm off fighting the war and I find out you did it in your daddy and But we don't know if it was her willingly like you know we don't know that. 25:03 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: How old was she 35. 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's okay. 25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I say that, but I don't remember now, but with all of the foot prints and all in the hearing the sounds, clearly to me it sounds like someone's living at the farm, at least for a period of time before the murder's happened. 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, there was the foot prints, the newspapers, people were hearing sounds in the attic. 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds to me like someone had been watching the family living there for possibly weeks without them fully knowing and I will say that I once had a house that would get squirrels in it and right would first hear them I thought someone was up there we got ghost but I had someone check you know and they were like oh no, it's squirrels on my ass is this what I left in Mary. 25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they call that frogging where people like live and someone else's house secretly. 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what is that called, Kim? 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember? 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea. 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, yeah, because when I learned about this, it reminded me a lot of that ax murder in Veliska, Iowa. 26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, where the person stayed in the home after the murders, 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a few serial killers. 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, back in the, yeah, but that, like people were living the house, but then what's confusing to me with the velisica one and this one is like at what point and why would you kill the whole family because you can't live there anymore. 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So in my mind, I would think like my first thought is they got caught like they find like finally they heard something they're like let me go check this out or he came out so that no one else finds out, but I still either way he can't stay there anymore. 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if he goes ahead and kills him, he could stay there for a little while longer, but what confuses me about this case. 26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: is like I get he lifts there. 27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's feeding the livestock in the animals. 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just weird. 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: For those several days. 27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he kills the whole family. 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a monster, right? 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But it does remind me of when Cam and I try to watch don't have with cats. 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: and we couldn't find that stink of remote fast enough and have you seen it Josh? 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: First thing that comes up is like this is guy and he's there about to show him killing these old kittens, smothering them. 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, Kim and I are all young and each other trying to find the stink of remote. 27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after we turned it off because we couldn't handle it, we're both like, we are off or human beings. 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We will watch date line. 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We will watch every single documentary about our birds. 27:39 [SPEAKER_03]: But don't ever catch, no. 27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: know what animals right because we know what people are I've only seen the never ending story once just because of the horse scene I must not have seen that for any story because I don't know the area of student I don't think I've seen anything I don't like watch movies with animals that get killed 27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's when he first gets to like the never-ending story area, whatever his horse ends up in like the a bog and of like quick sand and it gets sucked under and he tries to pull it out, but his horse gets sucked under. 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the saddest movies I've ever watched is about an animal that dies. 28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a dog when there's one about a dog. 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember what the name of it was. 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched it years ago in the end of it. 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The dog dies. 28:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just marley in me. 28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That could have been it. 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could have been in. 28:32 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also there was a book that our buddy Dave had me read too. 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember the name of it, but I, the last chapter, I cried through the whole thing and I was listening to it at what we worked in hell. 28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Dave's looking at me like. 28:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great question. 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I told you. 28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so the night of March 31st, and do you guys realize? 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The timing of this story. 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's almost March 31st. 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: By the time people are listening to this, this is going to be the anniversary. 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Creepy, did not mean for that to happen, but this was in 1922. 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: On the evening of Friday, March 31st, 1922, this is what we know. 29:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone, Lord, or led the family members, 29:26 [SPEAKER_01]: What is that noise? 29:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the haunted in this binary as soon as you said though. 29:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I know someone like that for you. 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's not. 29:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Amber, she can't stay away from things. 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got to get involved. 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So on the evening of Friday, March 31st, we know that someone led or the Lord, the family members, one by one to the barn. 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The first into the barn was Andreas Gruber, second, Kazilia Gruber, and Victoria Gruber. 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they knew they would just didn't kill him in the house. 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was because of the layers. 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what I'm saying. 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know if they lowered or led. 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I doubt they carried them unless it's two people, because I mean, the child sure, but like a foreground man. 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could lay something on the ground and pull them. 30:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe. 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I can speak from experience. 30:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to get a fully grown man off the top of you if he's dead weight. 30:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, you'd be trapped there for hours. 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, all seriousness, you have foreground man, the, I mean, two adults, like that could be, I mean, that's a lot of weight. 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm guessing that they didn't drag them because like I feel like they would have noticed that when they came to the house to investigate like you would probably have seen drag marks it was the mother and two kids in the barn no so it was the dad maybe these are older people the dad and his wife their daughter Victoria who's like 30s okay and then hers her son Joseph 30:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: In seven, I'm sorry, Joseph wasn't in the barn. 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It was seven-year-old Kizilia, the daughter. 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was two women and two women and a man and in the child. 31:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot. 31:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Seven-year-old. 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So four people all together were in the barn. 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, like right now there's three of us and at least like right 700 pounds of combined weight. 31:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's like 14 large garden bags of soil like the big ones. 31:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Like can you imagine just 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing. 31:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like I can picture someone being like, okay, I'm like, okay, these people's the barn and you get one of them out there and you're like, all right now. 31:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I was not that man. 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't carry a more. 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So he stacks them eventually and in the barn. 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, each of them had was killed with a medic. 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a heavy farming pick. 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's similar to a pickaxe, and they had been struck in the head repeatedly. 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The seven-year-old had clumps of her own hair ripped out, suggesting that she had been alive for some time after the attack, pulling at her own head, maybe an agony. 32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: All. 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But in the house, the two-year-old Joseph was killed in his crib. 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Maria was 44. 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: She was the new maid. 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: She was killed in her bedroom. 32:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She had arrived at the farm just hours before the murders would have happened. 32:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy. 32:26 [SPEAKER_02]: What a shit first day of work. 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know these people like that now. 32:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:32 [SPEAKER_02]: What are the odds? 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And she, but yeah, so she started that afternoon and the murders likely happened sometime in that. 32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: How unlucky. 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but by the next morning she had been, she was dead. 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So she would have been alive for less than 12 hours. 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But with that though, like 12 hour period of when a new person arrives at the property, do you guys think that that had something to do with the murders? 33:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Possibly like I owe more people yeah, I got to end it now. 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what I'm thinking is like This is a new person who arrives. 33:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that the killer knew her like that's not my theory at all I'm just thinking that she may have heard something and it was more like Well, that sounds like foot like that sounds like a child might be there. 33:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go check that out Yeah, not with the people in the attic because sure sounds like it. 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I I feel like Maybe there's more people at the house 33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: In the 12 hour window, like that seems a little bit more significant to me. 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like when there's more people on the home, you're more likely to get caught. 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So the six bodies were not actually discovered until April 4th. 33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That's four, four days after the murders. 33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, during those four days, the killer remained at the farm. 33:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Neighbors were later confirmed that smoke had been coming from the chimney throughout the weekend. 33:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The cattle had been fed and watered, the dog was chained. 34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: food had been eaten from the kitchen, they had found footprints around the property that had continued after the killings. 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: When neighbors finally came to check on the family, they found the four barn victims stacked covered with hay. 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: weird. 34:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what this would tell us that the killer lived among these dead people for days. 34:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He ate at the table in the kitchen. 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He slept under the roof and he was tending the animals. 34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So he wasn't running that would tell me that he kind of felt at home. 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he had been there for a while. 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just somebody they knew too. 34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: could have been. 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that this person kills six people, including a toddler, and then stays for several days, you're eating breakfast. 34:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're not bothered. 34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Like why stay in the home, unless you've been there and you don't have any wealth to go. 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I mean, that's a that's a huge like red flag for me personally. 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: is weird. 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Because normally if you cover a body, you're trying to put some separation. 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a weird thing for me. 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would want to know more details about if the detectives at the time truly believed that the people in the barn had been word there, or if they were moved there. 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because there's a farm, maybe there's a cart, you know, where they have like a wool barrel. 35:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if it was at the house, there would have been like blood. 35:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know that that was ever, you know, there's information that people don't share. 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's, it's hard to say over the years after a while you think, like, I feel like even back then they would have been like, 35:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, the murder was not in the house. 35:57 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no blood, you know. 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's very true. 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that that they were in the barn that makes me think that he didn't want the smell because I mean, that's a lot of dead heat on the house. 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And after four days, it's going to start smelling the sperm. 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that he would have known that makes me think it wouldn't have been his first time because not a lot of people unless you have smelled dead bodies. 36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: would be like, oh, let me move them before they start getting bad. 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to smell one after smell on those pigs. 36:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:32 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way I'd just about lost one. 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's been a year since I have picked that man out of that pig. 36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was such a good story. 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I was the Emily's watching the baby last night. 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We were I had criminal minds on. 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: and they had come in and they sat down and I was watching you know and they worked at a crime scene and they were dusting for fingerprints and I look at Brady I said she's doing that role. 37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they were at, all right, so during the investigation, there were police and over 100 investigators total that descended onto the farm 100. 37:12 [SPEAKER_00]: 100. 37:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot for 22. 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was, you know, over a period of a couple of months. 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking that like, oh, no, I agree. 37:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Completely unusual. 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The murder weapon, the magic was not found for a four year. 37:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It was hidden in the attic of the farmhouse. 37:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't found until they started tearing down the home. 37:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They were able to find it in the attic. 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow. 37:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which to me, like you had a hundred investigators. 37:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And you couldn't find a murder weapon that was hidden in the home, not very care of that soccer off. 37:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I know with it was a training investigators. 37:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Being so many people, many investigators, there makes me wonder if maybe that there hadn't been a similar situation somewhere else. 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like they were trying to see if it was connected. 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's really bizarre because it's not like 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: a really well-off family, that like, everyone will be like, oh my gosh, we gotta figure this out, you know, they weren't well-liked. 38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They had incest charges. 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, that makes me think that there's some more to the story that we just don't know. 38:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why hell's would you be spending that much effort and time? 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's definitely something we don't. 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But then again, a hundred investigators and no one found the acts and the addicts, that's weird to make. 38:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Makes me think of when someone's training to be like a birthday inductor and when someone gives birth and like 20 freaking students, there's this come in to watch. 38:50 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm thinking all these investigators like this is a good training course. 38:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's a good point. 38:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that was, yeah, I mean, this is after World War One, and so maybe they were like, this is a good opportunity to get people in the solve, it's probably going to make it solve it. 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the interesting things that I learned when I was looking at this case was all six victims, their autopsies were done in the barn. 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That's odd for me. 39:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Just right there in the barn. 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where their bodies are. 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go ahead and open them up here and then even weirder to me is that they remove the heads of all the victims sent them to Munich for examination. 39:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a very interesting part. 39:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So when they were sent to Munich, they were sent for an examination by clairvoyance. 39:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this apparently was a common practice in this rural area of Bavaria. 39:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But I still feel like that's weird. 39:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That is weird. 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, their heads were never reunited with the bodies. 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, talk about hot and somebody. 40:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, oh, I know, when World War Two happens, the heads were lost. 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So the bodies were buried without the heads and the heads have never been found, never united, like reunited. 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows? 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And go, she don't want to see you. 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know. 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You lose ahead. 40:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, see the thing with autopsies. 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like most people aren't aware of this. 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they'll cut out some of your body parts like your brain. 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They make take your brain. 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the medical examiner cannot like get a good read on it, they might send it to a university with their doctors and scientists with no more information. 40:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And it may never return to you, like to your two reunite with your body. 40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why like a lot of times if you go to a place, like if you go to your county morgue, if you go to the place that your corner is, our county corner is near Josh's house, and there will be body parts, normally in like jars. 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So if, if that happens, if they take a body part out and send it someplace, 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it will be in the corner report. 41:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it might be in the medical examiner's report because technically I think it's the medical examiner who would decide like that that it needs to be sent out. 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But it might have to have permission from a family member to do that. 41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no because you have to remember the way that our society works when it comes to the corner and the medical examiner, every person who dies, you have to go through this process of being able to have a determination of how you died and the way that you died. 41:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you go through the autopsy process, 42:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the medical examiner in the coroner working together to try to find the cause of manner of death. 42:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I didn't realize those were two different people. 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you have to. 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people don't know the see there that coroners are voted in. 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And so most of the time, I have an important 9% of the time, they have no medical background. 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: My cousin Jesus. 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Her husband is Kenny corner. 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So our county corner for a while was a school bus driver, oh my god. 42:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so a lot of people didn't care for the way that she was running the corner, so I guess I don't agree with that. 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I would think you'd have to have some sort of a medical background to be able to determine somebody's dad. 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You would think so, our new corner is on the ground. 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a detective. 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a homicide detective. 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Retired. 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was a homicide detective in California, San Diego. 42:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a cool bus driver. 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What'd she do? 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Help butcher a deer? 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was a nice lady. 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, like, when you're in a small county like now, I'm fine. 43:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I care about your personality. 43:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you just, that's not a job you're qualified to do. 43:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I have another cousin that when Amber passed away, she was acting corner at that time, because the corner was out of the country, you're out of state or whatever. 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So she had to do Amber's. 43:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd be weird. 43:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't that that would be so hard to do it on a family member and I heard I've always had kind of a little special bond after that, you know, because I know she's the one that took care of her. 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But I can imagine her feelings and and doing that to somebody that's your family. 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you have to separate yourself from the thing is is like. 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: when you're doing that type of work, you have to separate yourself and not think of the person, that's a natural person. 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you're there to solve and do justice for that person. 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And that means you have to not think of them as a human in that aspect, at least that's what I had to do when I was helping the corners office. 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: because it's it would be difficult to be like, oh, that's a human and they have feelings, you know, like you have to like separate yourself and you're like, you're a scientist now, you are assigned to help them. 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It definitely takes special people for that because that is not something I could do. 44:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 44:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so they had the 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We got it's not right. 44:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So they had the autopsy's done in right there in the barn. 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now looking back it sounds weird, but we're talking 1922. 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's possible. 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It could have been, but also like the coroner from the area may not have had a place to bring them. 44:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It was nicer than his barn. 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, even our county coroner here, like, 44:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to do one at a time and it's very tiny. 44:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not our wash. 44:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's no bigger than the small car. 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there's a little fridge like if there's a good amount of people coming in, like you can put some of them in there, but not a lot like you're talking to people. 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so. 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that you had a whole family butchered, and they've been there for four days, it probably is like, what's this go ahead and do it right here because if we take them to the place to put on. 45:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't have a place to put on. 45:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not getting any fresher. 45:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly right. 45:18 [SPEAKER_02]: The fresh air, my hell. 45:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because by that point in time, it would be a nightmare. 45:21 [SPEAKER_02]: This ain't an indoor type of job. 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not. 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the fact that the six heads were sent off and it were never recovered, cut their heads off right there in the barn. 45:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's awful. 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the prime suspect during the investigation was Lorenz Schultenbauer. 45:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a neighbor who had had a romantic relationship with Victoria. 45:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Who had Jesus? 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was a rumor that the young son Joseph wasn't actually her dad. 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It was his, the he's been in the actual father. 45:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's a dad. 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So Lorenz was also the person who organized the search party that had discovered the bodies, and he had entered the barn alone before anyone else. 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that this man who originally finds the bodies, he had motive, he likely had a child with Victoria, but they had a romantic relationship. 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It was also rumored that she planned to try to bring him to court to get child support. 46:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he had a new marriage, next door, and his 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So the theory at the time was that he didn't want to go to core everyone his reputation and so you don't think a white trash back then you don't but like my thing with that theory is you're telling me he had a romantic relationship that may have been his child he goes kills everyone 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: kills possibly his child all right let's say he was like I want to be done on a fresh start I get that why you stay in the home right for a few days eat food be in the animal maybe it's going away on business and had to stay away for a couple days but see that the thing with that though is that would have been so suspicious right yeah like that would be so suspicious 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought, you know, where it does make sense is like if he's having an affair still with Victoria and he's coming and staying in the house sometimes to everyone's asleep and then you know, it sneaks down and have some hanky panky, but I just don't understand why he would kill like in my mind it doesn't make sense because I would never think, oh, 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I got caught in my relationship, got kill everyone, even though. 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, that does doesn't make sense to me. 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it does doesn't add up. 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: but the fact that you would also stay in the home where you murdered Jerry Springer. 47:59 [SPEAKER_02]: If you take out the murder part, you're like Victoria, you have been sleeping with your father and this other man. 48:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're here today to find out who is the father of your child. 48:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 48:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, another thing about him specifically that the public 48:17 [SPEAKER_01]: felt was very damning, was they believed that because he was the first one there, he had moved things and moved bodies and stuff and went to the house and moved stuff. 48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the public felt like it was suspicious because he had contaminated the crime scene. 48:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, when I was reading through the accounts of the time, one of the things about one of the neighbors that was there at that time, they were like, why are you going into the home? 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I would just find it's people. 48:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said something. 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't, I was not there, but the person who heard him thought that he said, I'm going to see if my son is alive. 48:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's possible that he knew that was his son. 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that was the reason, because in that instance, like if he knew 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see it. 49:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to want to know if it's live or not. 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So you would go into the house and make just check on this child. 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if that's not true, that's a little weird that you would go to the house. 49:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you just found on these people murdered. 49:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Just call, just get the police, have them come out and it's theirs. 49:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like why would you go into the house and check on the child and, you know, 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So, that would make me think that he truly was the dad and he still had that like piece of him who was like, well, it's still my child. 49:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go check on him. 49:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 49:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Because maybe he's not that because of the whole family's going to the barn, child won't the barn. 49:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's he at? 49:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That would fuel the incest rumors, you know, if she just stays at home and the only man's her dad, but he somehow gets pregnant because she's having a secret love affair. 49:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 49:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 49:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And was that, you know, I wasn't living in 1922. 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a worse case? 50:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Which one's better? 50:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The public thinks that your dad is your child's father or that you had this affair out of wedlock and, you know, that would be rough for 22, because that, I mean, they did not agree with. 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know wedlock. 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 50:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the guy could have, you know, 50:20 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of blackmailed her a little bit like if you say it's me that I'm the husband, I won't give you any money for a child, but if you, you know, just play along with these rumors, I'll give you some money to raise our, our pastor. 50:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: In the fact that, you know, another, I've seen a lot of historical documents, dramas, you know, like this sounds like a good episode. 50:47 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing? 50:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Another factor though, is that her husband had gotten killed in World War I. 50:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if she was receiving some type of death benefits, and if she would have had an affair and had to travel someone else, so that I wouldn't want to go, that he was killed. 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what would this happen? 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any chance that that baby could have been him now? 51:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was killed about I'm guessing 10 years before because I think that World War II was in the teens and I mean I'm guessing but this is 2022. 51:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's 2019. 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Tim, you just don't remember. 51:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would world war three is 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, one of the things that I thought was also interesting is that Lorenz had been questioned repeatedly and he never gave a different answer. 51:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to ask for the both of you. 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So this guy, the neighbor, has, you know, had the fair could have been the dad to the boy. 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think? 51:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's weird that he is the person, the only person that walks the entire crime seen alone before they contact the police? 52:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You think it's weird? 52:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's weird. 52:05 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think, Josh? 52:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to like picture it, so was he with a crowd of people? 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess there was, yeah, because no one had heard from the family. 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was a by himself. 52:19 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no one had heard from the family. 52:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So they get there and then he goes in a long. 52:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now this is another weird part that I forgot to mention that's important. 52:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything was locked. 52:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The house and I guess the barn see this different reports the barn may have been locked or the door was open two different reports, but I know that the house was locked from the inside and he has a key. 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a neighbor in a rural area, maybe, you know, I don't see that's true because came your neighbor has a kid at your house, right. 52:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the one you don't like they for a minute like yeah, I think even that they were disliked back then, you know, you kind of had a The alliances with your neighbors, you know, how watchers you watch mine. 53:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I stop. 53:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a key to the neighbor on the corner. 53:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a key to their house. 53:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's also possible he was still having him a fair 53:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe it was so long-term affair. 53:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't get married because she had already been married. 53:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know. 53:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't live in that time. 53:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I can picture him getting there with the crowd and him being like, you know, like they've, they've done in movies before. 53:29 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you guys wait out here. 53:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll look because if it's bad, that way only one of us has to be smart for life. 53:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that type of situation. 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I could see that. 53:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew he was their neighbor, they were disliked. 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He probably is the one person that knew them best. 53:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, it's probably right if they are, you know, something happened. 53:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point because if the dad did take the blame for the child. 54:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He may have had a good relationship with our friends, right? 54:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And like the three of them, like, we're like, okay, this is what happened. 54:07 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the last of all of our buddies. 54:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Hang out, but don't talk to each other, type of. 54:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yep. 54:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's a good point, Josh. 54:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like if, 54:17 [SPEAKER_01]: if I lived in a neighborhood and we hadn't heard from a family and then as neighbors we're like, let's go check it out. 54:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a group of people in case the person who is responsible, you know, you need people there, but ultimately. 54:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Witnesses. 54:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think like as you approach the barn, you probably start smelling something. 54:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 54:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And so at that point, the leader of the group who may know the family best or have some type of in a relationship. 54:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He does that. 54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He knows this how many are there and he's like we're missing this new person the made and we're also missing the child. 54:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And so at that point he's like, well, let me go check the house because maybe this, you know, why are all the dead people in the barn. 55:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 55:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's child one made something fishy. 55:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe the made took the child left. 55:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nobody took you know, yeah, that's what I was thinking. 55:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like, I mean, 2022, you're going to be waiting for a while. 55:11 [SPEAKER_00]: 1922. 55:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the second time. 55:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, shoot in 2022, you're going to be waiting for a while. 55:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But in 1922, you're going to be waiting for a while. 55:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you have to contact the police, wait for them to get there, saw me in. 55:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And they might, there might not have been a phone close either. 55:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for sure. 55:27 [SPEAKER_00]: they might as somebody might have had to go get them. 55:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you would have to either go into the home and use the phone. 55:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's another reason why he went to the house. 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless they didn't have one. 55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you don't know. 55:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know by 2022. 55:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea in Germany. 55:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a, you know, rural forum. 55:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they didn't have a good point. 55:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You have, I'm going to town as a grandma with them. 55:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Go up town. 55:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that's what I keep thinking. 55:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, where are we at in this house? 55:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is there water like a well outside that they got up home? 55:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so. 55:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's a rural farmhouse. 55:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a 55:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what makes me think that there wasn't electricity or anything. 56:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm guessing. 56:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I bet there wasn't a fair bonus. 56:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm guessing so. 56:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be very surprised if there was a phone in that house. 56:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 56:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're probably right. 56:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They would have to go to town. 56:13 [SPEAKER_01]: At that point in time, you're like, we're missing a child and another person. 56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go check the house. 56:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 56:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, if I'm in that situation, I'm going to be real honest. 56:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a nib shit. 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be a shit and I would want to know walk around with your hand in your pocket. 56:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because especially like I know the police don't give you all the details And like I want to know what the house looks like because if I'm the neighbor and like someone birthed this entire family Do I need to be worried and it might seem so soon do I want to extend my property? 56:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see it going to be real cheap. 56:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, real cheap. 56:50 [SPEAKER_02]: If a murder happened, I got it real cheap. 56:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I do think it's odd that the person who murdered them stays in the house, that's odd. 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That is very odd. 56:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And they seemingly stay in the house until the search party comes. 57:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if maybe he likes the person like sees people on their like book out the back door. 57:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Or if it's just for timing, it's just right. 57:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know the answers to that question. 57:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Or just a random moving serial killer. 57:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or maybe it was a neighbor and the people come and he's like, I mean, go mix myself in with them because as we know what happened. 57:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What we know, like, people who kill people, like, often they were joined search parties and they won't be a part of it. 57:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That happened so much. 57:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so these are all things that just happened by just how like easy it was to get away with murder and most of the people convicted of murder throughout history were just by someone accusing them with no proof or anything. 57:46 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just like you've been accused we're gonna kill you. 57:49 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times we will find out that a lot of people were wrongfully convicted. 57:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like 57:56 [SPEAKER_01]: horrible horrible I could never be a charmer no because I mean it would take a lot of I don't want to hold someone's tie my fate to some like because I mean in one in one hand it's horrible if a case isn't solved 58:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Even worse is if the case isn't solved and they blame someone who did not do it and they're the ones that go to prison have to place blame for it. 58:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could have put myself in that. 58:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The real killer is still out there. 58:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Someone's life. 58:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Just, you know, no. 58:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have a, I'm blind at the moment that I ever get call for jury duty. 58:33 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be like, what do you do? 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a true crime podcaster. 58:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Get me off this thing. 58:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't talk about that. 58:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't talk about that. 58:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't talk about that. 58:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and you know, like there's so many movies and shows that come out when there's like a podcast that everyone hates and the police hate and they're everyone love. 58:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hate some, you know, I just know they're gonna be like, nope, get them out of here. 58:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Get them out of here. 58:55 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 58:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a true crime. 58:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense. 58:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a creator. 59:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I read true crime articles and show things up inside of you. 59:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You stay right down. 59:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Get the teacher out of here. 59:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, not only that, but a lot of them too. 59:10 [SPEAKER_00]: One of them, if you know anything about the case and with the way we are, and we know all the cases, we're going to probably I think that was about it. 59:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that you guys don't. 59:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We're already going to inform the opinion. 59:23 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 59:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So over the years, the case has been reopened at least three times in 1951, in 1970, and in 2007. 59:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 59:37 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2007, that's when students at the Bavarian Police Academy examined the evidence with modern forensic science techniques. 59:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That 2007 investigation identified 59:53 [SPEAKER_01]: course. 59:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Carl Gabriel, Victoria's supposedly dead husband, was never actually confirmed killed in the war with certainty. 60:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So some investigators had theorized that maybe he returned and committed the murders out of rage over Victoria's insesual relationship with her father or the relationship with the neighbor, you know. 60:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The farm was fully demolished in 1923, so a year after the murders, and was replaced with a small memorial, and that memorial stood out. 60:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shinnacle, shinnacle, shinnacle, shinnacle published to nude. 60:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe. 60:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fictionalized version of this case, and it's sold over 1 million copies. 60:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it actually won the German crime puzzle award. 60:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. 60:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. 60:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 60:56 [SPEAKER_01]: There's actually a feature film called 61:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was released in 2009, the case was also featured on BuzzFeed Unsolved in 2016 and lower Amazon's lower video series in 2018. 61:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The heads of the six victims are still missing. 61:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So somewhere, lost in the records from World War II, there are six skulls in a crime that was never solved. 61:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's weird to me that the skulls were kept in Munich until World War II. 61:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But you don't need them that long. 61:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I return them. 61:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I got put on a shelf somewhere and forgot about it. 61:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 61:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also thought I was weird, like when I first read that they took the heads and ship them to Munich, I was like, well, that's like, why would you do that? 61:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, maybe they couldn't do something, and they were sent to psychics. 61:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just like that. 61:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's odd to me, but again, I'm not in 2021. 61:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in 2021. 61:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in 2021. 61:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not back. 61:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not back. 62:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Last century went all three of us were born. 62:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 62:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, it's just hard for me to like put my, my 100 year lens on. 62:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's also Bavaria. 62:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, maybe they're like. 62:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It could have been the only place anywhere nearby. 62:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they weren't sent to a lab. 62:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They were sent to psychists. 62:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 62:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But that is the time during the psychic phase. 62:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't uncommon. 62:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I read that it wasn't uncommon for it to be done. 62:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also wonder, like you know, a lot of times back then, if it was an infamous case, the body parts of victims and the killers, if you could find them, it was a story piece. 62:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was in good souvenirs. 62:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's a souvenir for people, but also for like, 62:56 [SPEAKER_01]: the doctors and the clairvoyance to be like, oh, that head belong to one of those six murders. 63:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 63:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight, we should speak to them. 63:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha. 63:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like the one that we used to. 63:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the one that's downtown. 63:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 63:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, I bet some on those were there and they just don't want to say. 63:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so what are we left with? 63:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So, was Lorenz the neighbor the killer? 63:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He did have a motive, opportunity, and was the first person at the crime scene. 63:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So, over time, he is the number one suspect. 63:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know in 2007, who they identified as their main suspect. 63:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We just know that they said that there was a main suspect. 63:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Release the files. 63:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the second open question still is did Carl survive the war in return because he was mad and weren't revenge. 63:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know. 63:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Third question, who was living in the attic before the murders? 63:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And was it the same person who killed them? 63:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You know? 63:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was a coincidence they had been living there for a long time. 63:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine that like you're living in someone's home? 64:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're gonna be the first thing like you're gonna be the first line I got to get out of here I got to go saw everything but can't see nothing. 64:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean that's another theory that I have is like Who would believe that? 64:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I've been living in the attic for a year now. 64:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do it Yeah, so I mean maybe it was a true person who just had nowhere to go and then like oh This is my home now Maybe Carl comes over because the whole family leaves and this person's like well, she yet. 64:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have fun new home, but I'm gonna you know 64:34 [SPEAKER_01]: feed myself and feed the animals. 64:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so weird. 64:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, feed the animals. 64:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, I get it because I don't want the animals to be harmed. 64:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And I get that part and like, but you just butchered a whole family. 64:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, maybe he wasn't the person who was feeding the animals. 64:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 64:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not. 64:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 64:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You never know could have been a disassociation Bally murdered and then he snapped out of it to what you know where you know kind of forgot that he did it Yeah, I'm not like a multiple person out here. 65:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a Got a 10 the animals. 65:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a eat That's right and then also maybe he thought that 65:15 [SPEAKER_01]: it was a situation where he could figure out how to get rid of the bodies and no one would notice and he could just take over the farm, but then the whole faint like, you know, someone comes too soon. 65:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 65:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't. 65:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 65:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Good theory though. 65:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Good there from you guys. 65:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for, yeah. 65:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for leading me on and giving me some alternative ideas. 65:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready for my shitfire? 65:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Please, my arm. 65:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So a police officer in Chicago walks into an Aldi grocery store. 65:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 65:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're going to work with. 65:50 [SPEAKER_02]: She's fine. 65:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 65:50 [SPEAKER_02]: He saved a bunch. 65:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about January, 2025. 65:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a regular Tuesday at the Aldi on north, Cicero Avenue in Chicago. 66:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope I said Cicero, I know we got some listeners in Chicago. 66:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Employees are stalking shelves, customers are doing their thing, and someone notices this movement in the produce section, down low between the leaf lettuce and the bell peppers. 66:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope, not a rat, not a raccoon, not a stray cat. 66:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a foreground coyote. 66:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. 66:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Just sitting there in the refrigerated produce case surrounded by vegetables. 66:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The animal had apparently wandered in through a propped open delivery door, which, fair point, if you leave a door open in Chicago in January, something is going to walk in. 66:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That coyote took one look at the cold shelving, decided it was the perfect temperature, and settled in, like it was a rewards card. 66:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Employees cleared the aisle and called the police. 66:58 [SPEAKER_01]: When the officer arrived, he grabbed the only weapon available for this kind of situation, a broom. 67:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He did not grab a tranquilizer dart, not a net, a broom. 67:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He approached the produce case and gave the coyote a gentle poke with the handle, which is, I mean, good luck. 67:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What kind of police is this? 67:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Polar animal control. 67:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 67:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Poke, what do you want to do? 67:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't get it. 67:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The coyote looked at him, looked the broccoli, and looked back at the officer. 67:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then did exactly what any reasonable coyote would do when confronted by a man with a broom in a discount grocery store. 67:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It bolted, straight past the officer down the aisle and directly into the frozen food section, where it wedged itself between a shelf of frozen pizzas. 67:49 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, multiple officers are now standing in Aldi, all with brooms. 67:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, looking at each other, trying to figure out how to extract a wild animal from behind the pizza. 68:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Animal control eventually arrived and safely captured the coyote using a catch pole. 68:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The animal was transported out of the store without injury. 68:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobites, no scratches, no customers harmed, just a mildly inconvenience to canine, and a lot of confused shuffers. 68:20 [SPEAKER_01]: An all these spokesperson confirmed the store was briefly closed for cleaning, and that 68:29 [SPEAKER_01]: which is corporate speak for the coyote didn't like anything that we know about. 68:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't shit on that. 68:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know. 68:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But here's what caught my eye about this whole story. 68:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The coyote walked past every aisle in the store and chose the produce. 68:45 [SPEAKER_02]: A nice soft grassy bed. 68:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in my opinion, he was a health conscious coyote, vegan, and maybe had it on a grocery list, and he was like, I'm going to work past all this pre-packaged food right over there to the good stuff. 69:03 [SPEAKER_01]: All the expensive stuff. 69:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know when I left Marion, I would go to ruler, 69:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever been a ruler? 69:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 69:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You get some cheese there. 69:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 69:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you could get cheaper milk and it's owned by Croker. 69:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you could get cheaper milk, cheaper eggs. 69:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all the same price now, though. 69:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I went, I go to the one of the coffee shops over there and one day I was like, I'm gonna go get some milk and eggs, and I'm waiting, no, no, it's like, I feel like this is the same price I played a paid at croaker last week, and then I went to croaker to get some ice cream the other day. 69:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, it's not the same price, and I was like, why would you go to Ruler now? 69:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like, it's considered a disco. 69:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, times are a change and I've been a couple times like when the Muncing went first opened, but I really didn't care for it much. 69:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe what gas is. 69:54 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like, forward, 20. 69:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't ever look. 69:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 69:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't have to pay for gas, but the other day I saw that it was for something and I was like, I thought that's really expensive. 70:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It is. 70:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember how much it was to 69 it before they went into 70:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I ran. 70:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm aware of what it was. 70:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They went into his eye countries. 70:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Bonnet one. 70:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Bonnet one. 70:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Bonnet one. 70:23 [SPEAKER_00]: All right guys. 70:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost doubled. 70:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to catch you on a master after this. 70:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on over and join us. 70:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk some crap. 70:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 70:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I didn't team. 70:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe. 70:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You never know. 70:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll find out when you join. 70:36 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 70:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be there. 70:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. 70:41 [UNKNOWN]: Bye.
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