0:01 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean? 0:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You're kidding? 0:09 [SPEAKER_01]: There's those puffments and Scooby. 0:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No more if we're going to come out one way. 0:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They're grabbed too, they melt quick. 0:20 [SPEAKER_01]: What's never done? 0:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to give them a chance, definitely. 0:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No, give them a chance to melt, bite them. 0:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't? 0:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I buy like a big tub of on every week for work. 0:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh, did you know that Kim's dad died? 0:36 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 0:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was already dead. 0:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't say that about her mom all the time. 0:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Your mom's still mom girl. 0:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought your dad was like long-dead. 0:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You're sperm, don't you? 0:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my sperm donor. 0:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pastory. 0:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Last. 0:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This week, we could go today. 0:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were asking me about my condolences. 0:58 [SPEAKER_02]: This funeral's tomorrow, which was the report tomorrow. 1:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry that the person who gave you life is dead, but I really kind of struggled with it because I wasn't sure how to feel about it. 1:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I get that. 1:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still kind of on the fence. 1:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little bit better than what I was. 1:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think I was kind of, I was beating myself up for not letting him in my life when he tried to be. 1:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know. 1:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, every opportunity is going to be a rough tomorrow. 1:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll let it go. 1:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it just, 1:37 [SPEAKER_01]: the person that helped with if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be here. 1:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 1:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I've often thought about how I'll react when our father passes. 1:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because you know, I've not really been close to him. 1:50 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you do if I'd ask you later? 1:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if tomorrow you got the call and they're like, hey, be distraught For sure good to say like he just says I cuz I'm here. 2:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd really be alive. 2:01 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I thought I'm not going to funeral You know, I like to prepare for things. 2:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought about it. 2:05 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 2:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I like to prepare myself for Any and all and so I often think about things like what how would I react if this person died or this person if I died? 2:17 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you think I'd go? 2:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're, if someone called you to money, no, something to money. 2:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's always with our family. 2:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's always something with the money back down downstairs. 2:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you sit in a line too long, didn't get coffee. 2:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That was probably what died dead right there. 2:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody with road rage shot. 2:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 2:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And now that I can see, I could really see. 2:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I could see that. 2:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 2:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you tell us about what you and your sister talked about? 2:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a funny story. 2:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You told me about it on the way to the lake today. 2:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 2:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure I went that out there. 2:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You got Blownie. 2:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That was funny. 3:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You're ridiculous. 3:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, below B.O.L.O.G.N.A. 3:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Blowning the bolts. 3:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll keep that close to the heart. 3:12 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, you're so boring. 3:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I'm having a hard enough time dealing with it, trying to figure it out. 3:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have a dark sense of humor, which you both know. 3:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. 3:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Very much, though. 3:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the reasons that you love you. 3:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't want to, I guess I just don't want to. 3:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't want to. 3:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You think your siblings are going to listen to them? 3:36 [SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't know what a podcast is. 3:40 [SPEAKER_02]: probably not. 3:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Did he love you more? 3:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you probably live in the past. 3:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't, I just, if somebody, in my family, did find it number one, I just wouldn't want them. 3:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then we'll just share what I told her. 3:53 [SPEAKER_02]: That works. 3:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So her and her, one of her sisters, we're talking about how. 3:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Another sister reached out to the, one of another sister, it's complicated. 4:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus. 4:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that that girl's? 4:03 [SPEAKER_01]: One boy. 4:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 4:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's more girls than one boy. 4:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Like their dad left them something. 4:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's all that came ahead heard and so I looked over her and I was like dead. 4:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Why hope? 4:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I know as well. 4:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I said to later and I was like, well, I hope it's not some of his ashes. 4:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Kim's like, oh crap, I hope it's not. 4:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, yeah, that'd be a real quick door stopper. 4:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Here, keep me forever. 4:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, you could bake your neighbors like cake. 4:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You can get them, you can get them turned into a diamond. 4:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Get a ramp, get some jewelry out of it. 4:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I came in no diamond girl. 4:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Give them some use in your life. 4:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very, very intrigued on what? 4:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But that is, I'm sure it's hard to tell you, and so I can see a letter. 4:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's been really, really bad for a long time. 4:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So it had to have been something that he didn't know in the past. 4:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm guessing it's a note. 5:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what I think. 5:02 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't test me as a letter writer, so as part of just a note. 5:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. 5:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of freaked out about it a little bit. 5:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm afraid that, so I guess my whole thing is I'm afraid that 5:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know how I'm going to put this. 5:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Just tell it to us, Kim. 5:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Just say it. 5:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Use your words. 5:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it is an out, he's a straight man. 5:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be our shadow woulda coulda. 5:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I don't want to hear him degrade me. 5:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, why would he do that? 5:39 [SPEAKER_02]: People don't do that before they die. 5:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't know the man. 5:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know that you're going to his funeral, and I feel like if that person who was he wouldn't. 5:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think that's true. 5:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 5:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's, it's this, it's a guilt trip. 5:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to put me on a guilt trip because he really wasn't in my life. 5:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, just prepare yourself. 6:01 [SPEAKER_01]: If for some reason that is what it is, know that it is not true. 6:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And just because he has written it down does not make it true. 6:10 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what? 6:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I would do come. 6:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me read it. 6:13 [SPEAKER_02]: if it's a note don't read it let me read it and then say Shane is okay for me to read this because if it's him being mean you don't need that you don't deserve it you'll have it you know if you want to read it later you don't even have it before right away read it if that is what it is actually a really good idea if it if that's what it is I'm going to have somebody else read it chain or Brady like an even like I wouldn't like well and if you do that 6:38 [SPEAKER_02]: hand them the letter. 6:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell them keep it until I tell you I need to copy because if it's in your house, sugar is going to eat you alive. 6:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a letter where as I need to eat it. 6:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't let Emily if you do this bad as I lose things. 6:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't know where I put it. 6:51 [UNKNOWN]: That's good. 6:52 [SPEAKER_01]: If you let Emily read it and it's bad, you'll know because she'll be like that mother. 6:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I know how bad he was about guilt trips because anytime I just see him out I mean I never had any hardly anything to do with him I remember one or two things when I was really really little never hurt it from him again until I was a teenager He called and wanted to see me and I just set their pride. 7:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what to do because all I had heard was 7:19 [SPEAKER_00]: what my grandparents and my mom told me, you know, and it back then, he was not a good man. 7:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I just didn't want any part of it. 7:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So I never, and then I never had anything to do with him until my older sister moved home from Florida. 7:38 [SPEAKER_00]: She was pregnant and she lived with him for a while. 7:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't like I was going to see him I was going to see my sister and they just happened to be in the same place. 7:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And so... 7:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Emulated and have a relationship with them, right? 7:58 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not, not really that thing. 8:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So that happened. 8:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He was 75. 8:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow. 8:06 [SPEAKER_00]: 7777. 8:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And so after that, I had found out some things that I just decided. 8:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's my accusations. 8:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, some accusations that I want to know part of. 8:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So I backed away again. 8:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I had my kids I had Amber and then at that point my grandmother his mom was really ill. 8:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And I started feeling guilty that I never let her see my kids. 8:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want her to die without seeing my daughter. 8:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So I, and that's when Linda found us, you know, Linda's mom found out she was pregnant at the same time that she found out my dad was married to my mom. 8:58 [SPEAKER_00]: and her mom took off. 9:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was around the same time that we were in our 30s when Linda found us. 9:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And so she started, you know, she wanted to try to have some sort of relationship with them. 9:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I felt guilty that I wanted the girls to know who their grandfather was. 9:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I wanted them to make their own mind up about him instead of what they had heard, you know, all of their life because that's the way I, I was, you know, I always heard nothing about things. 9:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So we did go around for a couple of years. 9:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't consistent. 9:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It was maybe two or three times a year. 9:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We went for a couple of Christmas's and a few cookouts out at the 9:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I was never mean to him. 9:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If I seen him out in public, you know, I always spoke to him, but then he would always put me on a guilt trip. 9:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Why, you know, you should come and see me, you need to come and see me. 9:57 [SPEAKER_00]: See you back. 9:58 [SPEAKER_00]: See you back. 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: but but he would never make that initiative to try to get in touch with me to try to see me or words are easy right and so I just and that's the way Linda was with it you know if he wasn't going to make the effort to try to have a relationship with her and as the parents has 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, as with grown children, you're still the parent. 10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to make. 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, like I said, there's there was four girls and then I had one brother. 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And I am most like Linda because we grew up with us in Florida. 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Linda, I can't believe she just offended you like that. 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So we both grew up without his influence in our lives. 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So we were, we're nothing like him. 10:50 [SPEAKER_02]: with a lot of struggles. 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we're true. 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of obstrucles, different kinds of struggles. 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're able to cheat it on all your moms. 11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, five kids with screw handers. 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're three mom. 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So, well, when Amber passed away, 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: they did come to her funeral and one of the siblings showed up drawn showed up dry was portase because Amber had just been killed by a drunk driver at that point though I don't think we really knew what had happened. 11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so it because they passed away on on a Saturday night Sunday morning and her funeral was a Friday I 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So at that point, I'm not real sure that we knew that. 11:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably so you didn't, like you were probably still on the shark phase. 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But if I had known, this person would have been walked out. 11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because I, I wasn't never that person that, you know, had a problem with that sort of thing. 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was very disrespectful. 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Distapeful, disrespectful. 12:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you don't go to anyone's funeral. 12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no. 12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Just don't show up. 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, my best friend from high school. 12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a pound, my will's like a normal person. 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: My best friend from high school, we have a pack. 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Whoever goes first has to go the other one's funeral drunk. 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I may end up with a funeral drunk. 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's because it's a pack. 12:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not because. 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not because. 12:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It pretty goes first. 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going in the cask weather. 12:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Better be room for two. 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So. 12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So that all happened. 12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: that's when I started getting really close to Linda was after Amber passed away. 12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I always spoke to him. 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And when we had the motorcycle rides for Amber after she had passed away for her memorial, her scholarship, he was always there, he always came, and we always said, when we talked, you know, it was fine. 12:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I never had a problem when I seen him. 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: but he was never a big part of my life so I can never get used to including him too. 12:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 12:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You're biological dad. 13:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not like he was your father. 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to have some more of our stability and, you know, come around. 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially like he could have then come in holidays and even small things just come and over to visit. 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And Emily, anytime she sees him, she would tell me if she'd seen because he just, he had no idea how to interact with her. 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know what to say to her. 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He just said he would just, he just looked at me. 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he knew who I was, but he just looked at me and go on. 13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But I, I mean, my grandpa waters treated me the same because he knew I was a, had some sugar in my tank. 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And he just never knew how to like, hmm, he'd see me prance on a rail, who would like. 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a little flanner. 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just a lot of things. 13:48 [SPEAKER_02]: if it's a ladder. 13:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll never know. 13:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll never know. 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And I wouldn't even read it. 13:52 [SPEAKER_02]: If even if it's a love ladder, I should have a ladder, no, you had the chance to tell me that in person. 13:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And you didn't. 14:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: You could keep it. 14:02 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you go leave me a million dollars, okay. 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be sure I'll take it. 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 14:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I gave it Jesus. 14:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm jewelry. 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I would let someone else read it. 14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Because maybe it's he's trying to, you know, I have sorry here's a million. 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I have this buried at this location. 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 14:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll take a shovel and I leave his steps to the north and my steps to the west. 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you could look at it. 14:24 [SPEAKER_01]: What he didn't give you as a father. 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He gave you in sisters, especially Linda and Rodney all that. 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Did we tell you about Rodney? 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew he had cancer, but I was just about to ask how I'm doing. 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going through chemo and radiation. 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it effective? 14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I'm not sure that they've done any type of scans since yesterday. 14:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I talked to him a few days ago and he said it has been effective that the cancer is shrinking, so it is working in some instance, but my understanding is that he is still going to be under pallet of care. 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the nice thing is that there's always advancements, so it could be five years now, but if you are still, yeah, and that's such just like I think they've said that to people may belong, oh, yeah. 15:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then you know, I'm very afraid of my home. 15:18 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so, I mean, you know, life is just fragile anyway. 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very afraid whenever he comes up on my face, but yeah. 15:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And he and my daughter so sweet people just love them to pieces. 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Linda got so important to me, because I mean, like I said, we he had met each other. 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We knew we knew each other. 15:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And 15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But I had kind of, one of my other siblings that I had been close to had done some things that, especially after I knew, hamburger past, that I pretty much just washed my hands. 15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It was best to use. 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't deal with it. 15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I was having a hard enough time dealing with my child's death. 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I could not sit around and think about, 16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: that person. 16:08 [SPEAKER_02]: The welfare of other people, right? 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly doing that to somebody else's child. 16:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just couldn't, I couldn't do it. 16:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just kind of washed, washed my hands for a while. 16:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh, I still don't. 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, together, I talk to them when I need to. 16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, we, any time we do talk, we have a good time. 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not something that is forgivable. 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You made your bed, no, get out of my house. 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 16:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's also a lot of other stuff that led up to that being the last straw basically. 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, once there's so many straws, then we're like, I'm just going to go to the stove. 16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when Linda started being a little more active in my life. 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And we started, you know, hanging out more and having a good time. 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: the more we hang out, the more we realize how much we are alike, and we'll finish each other sentences, and she'll say something about that, and I'll say, oh well, me too, and we'll both say, well, we must be related or something, you know, and just making it fun. 17:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I needed that sister bond, because I'm not close to any of my other siblings. 17:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have six other siblings. 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That's nice. 17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Six Jesus Christ. 17:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we don't need stage right now. 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm just the one it's good 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: two sisters and a brother on the one side and that is nice about us as brothers. 17:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not crooked. 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna, you know, we're trustworthy. 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not mean. 17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you hear so often of like siblings like he stole $100,000 from me. 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my house on fire, you're like just stole, we don't have to worry about, you know, he stole my woman. 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: never talked to him again. 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So when I know is like they're dealing with a wife slept with the brother and is not going to have divorce and the eggs and with the brother and not like I could never even if I was straight like oh I double dip it oh it's awful that's gross. 18:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway tomorrow's going to be interesting. 18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh we don't have to keep a story. 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well look at it you know and hey 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: you think he might give you a note no matter what it is, you could also write him a note and bury it with his ass. 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just even if it's not a note per se, just things that, you know, you want to wrap up with his burial, bury it in the ground with them. 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's who's growing forever? 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Emily. 18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Till you get a back of that. 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a note. 18:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Let her read it. 18:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And if it's something you don't want, put the note back in with them. 19:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I will. 19:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know whether I'll get it tomorrow either though. 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know when. 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey. 19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't let it ruin your day. 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Go to the funeral. 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Then go out to eat somewhere nice. 19:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God. 19:09 [SPEAKER_02]: What if it's like a statue of himself? 19:12 [SPEAKER_02]: No God. 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: A big ol' pain. 19:14 [SPEAKER_02]: A big ol' picture. 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha. 19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I love you so much. 19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to make sure that you have this. 19:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I got you this night by a 12. 19:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm waiting picture. 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm waiting picture. 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Him and my mom. 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh man. 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I can think of so many things that it would be so. 19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that wouldn't be so cute. 19:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Give all the siblings a picture of their mother. 19:32 [SPEAKER_02]: All separate photos. 19:34 [SPEAKER_01]: All separate people. 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd get them wrong. 19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me the wrong mom. 19:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're her daughter. 19:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I know three of us have different mothers. 19:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not real sure about the other one. 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if her and my brother have the same mom or not. 19:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so. 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's some get to stuff she and I can't relate. 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I've parents were married and we were at the same mother. 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't relate. 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't relate. 20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Queen of who was your relation? 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Mary Queen of Scots. 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess yeah, you are related because then Royals love to spread the sea around the coast, right around. 20:17 [SPEAKER_02]: You look like you're from Cousins. 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to think about the whole thing. 20:23 [SPEAKER_02]: After tomorrow, you don't think about it anymore. 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good part. 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Go get the funeral, go out to eat, go buy a little something. 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get you some food. 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't tell me the other day, because I'd seen, Have you guys ever had a gelocache? 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course we have. 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I see. 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We're from abs too. 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen what I'm Facebook and I'm like, oh my god, I haven't had a yellow cake in years and she's like, well, I'm too want me to fix you. 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry your dad is dead, yellow cake. 20:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. 20:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what? 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I really want a nice cream cake from Dairy Queen. 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they sell and I want to do it. 20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And Crowger in the freezer section by the donuts. 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need, I don't need words. 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a strawberry crunch one, you know, like the ice cream bars as an ice cream cake. 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. 21:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Dairy Queen though, you don't have to buy a whole ice cream cake. 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They now sell ice cream cupcakes. 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they really small little mini ice cream cake? 21:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is that cute? 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got to have one of those. 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They are. 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's the whole reason I don't buy them is because they're so big. 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and buy the same cupcake. 21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: by the time you'd eat it one person, you know, it's a little bit over it and it'd be for you to burn. 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And our hearts really wants the crunchy fudge. 21:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: A little bit on ice cream with this. 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: To buy those when I work there, they could take the cake. 21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: No, just the crunchy fudge. 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they come pre-pet like separate. 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to build them. 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So they just come down and be like, give me about four of them. 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That was you had to told me that because I'm going to have to have one. 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm cupcakes. 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so good. 21:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You need to so cute. 21:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. 21:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's armoured that. 21:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd cup cake. 21:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Bring it to the funeral with ya. 21:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys. 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Get you some of the meds and real loudly. 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know for the whole time. 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be fun. 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It definitely needs some comic relief, especially. 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Funals are just so, oh, I hate them. 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I probably won't go to our dad's. 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I've already thought about it. 22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought about it. 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got it. 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There's too much. 22:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's too much. 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll go to... 22:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more of a go to the great site after words alone. 22:18 [SPEAKER_01]: See, they're not doing a great site. 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: My self. 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They're only doing the calling hours are going to be two to four and then they're doing the services at four, but they're not doing the graveside service yet for some reason. 22:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, spirit is everywhere. 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You go, you know, pay your respects at the park if you have to. 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It will be later, but I'm not sure what the program is. 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: because like you can be cremated and then you can also be buried and cremated, but then you got some people who like you know, a little jar or something you put down until like that. 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't high. 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't something. 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I know my sister said, but I would have to go back and get you a dime and made out of it. 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, look, it's my dad. 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to pay. 23:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Josh today is your mystery and I know that everybody knows all my job. 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I challenged you to pick or like a little notebook, so your documentary that you picked was called watch, Josh. 23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: False prophet. 23:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called trust me the false prophet because when I first put in the false prophet, there's a lot of stuff that comes out. 23:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what's on Netflix? 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen some clips of it, but I've 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: hadn't watched it yet. 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I just I'm like it seemed like a deep topic, but it was like that would be good to cover I have watched it but it was it's was like right after first came out. 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really remember what I did was watch it and then write down what my thoughts were as a man. 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it was yeah, and it's a series that Sam man. 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about a sect of the latter day saying or what am I? 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: LDS, let me say it's there we go. 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Mormons. 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the good all Mormons. 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, was it located was it Utah? 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was in Utah and a very LDS heavy. 24:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but specifically one of the interesting things is like there are Mormons, but then there's also like 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: you're just like with any religion there's kind of more of the extreme side and so they believe in multiple wives multiple multiple many many and where they get in trouble is young young young young kids you know what I can't be doing yeah no 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And this man believed that he was a prophet of God. 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: His name was Samuel Bias. 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was, my first thought in the intro was, first clue if he is a false prophet. 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: God doesn't like ugly. 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And if an ugly guy tells you he's a prophet, he's lying. 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: This man is a definition of homely and just every bit of a pathetic little worm of a man. 24:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was so weird. 25:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He pulls up into this. 25:03 [SPEAKER_02]: community after their leader was put in jail, and it's not like a war in Jeffries upscale community. 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: No, and so like they're not living great and he pulls up in a real nice evently. 25:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I even wrote it all caps. 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll bathe. 25:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like real nice, but my favorite though is like run the LDS ladies was talking and she's like, yeah, he pulls in a town Pulling a trailer with all of these women on it. 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: They were as wise. 25:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you could just tell like her face was just like A really nice car is blacked out and all that stuff. 25:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say former trailer with his wife. 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like an open air trailer, too, they're just all in the back, like it's a hay ride. 25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: These are my 23 wives. 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they have cops out there? 25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, yeah, there's police officer. 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was the lady. 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the lady's name? 26:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But, 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The pink lady, the lady who basically busted them was her name Christine. 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she was a character Oh my gosh, I won't be in for a little. 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got everything pink kitchen that she was, you know, Filmenin like she was a badass. 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But I knew she had some experience with a cult just by her hair the way she wore her hair. 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: She's wearing, it's not much difference in some of her styles and some of these LDS styles. 26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: She must have came from a cold, you know, something. 26:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So she is up showing up between 2015 and 2016. 26:40 [SPEAKER_02]: She's a cult expert. 26:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what she was calling herself. 26:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Rives in short Creek, this little community. 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Short Creek is like on the border of Arizona and Utah. 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's technically in Utah. 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's where they got him. 26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so she arrives there right after a deadly flash flood and then she moves there with her husband. 27:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So so there was a deadly flash flood. 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: She moves there with her husband. 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a videographer. 27:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Tolga. 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Was that his name? 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Tolga. 27:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They started an on-profit called Voices for Dignity, and Torgah started filming a documentary about FLDS's life, and that kind of gives them a natural reason to be around that community and that LDS people were okay with them filming. 27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: At first they talked about, 27:28 [SPEAKER_02]: how they didn't quite trust her because she's an outsider over the track. 27:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very interesting person, but over time, like what I loved her one of the ladies was like, I should remember that first time I met her, she just wore this like, we're old vintage. 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: thought it was darling. 27:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought I was darling. 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, great back that word, darling. 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Darling. 27:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't never hear that anymore. 27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's darling. 27:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But in 2019, Bateman declares himself a profit and begins collecting spiritual wives as they do. 28:02 [SPEAKER_02]: In the way they found over. 28:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It was disgusting. 28:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It is. 28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He says the dumbest thing. 28:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes. 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, 28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is. 28:11 [SPEAKER_02]: His first wife reportedly left him when he tried to take their own 14-year-old daughter, like try to marry the 14-year-old daughter. 28:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So the first wife was like, oh, he says. 28:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye. 28:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Between 2019 and 2021, the abuse starts escalating and then fathers in the group of these women. 28:32 [SPEAKER_02]: My brownie. 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they start handing their own daughters over to him. 28:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Bateman accumulates more than their wives. 28:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Brownie gave daughters and his wives. 28:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And why, yeah, to more than two, he is up having more than twenty wives. 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Twenty three. 28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: At least 10 of them are minors. 28:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The youngest was age nine. 28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Money starts flowing to him along with luxury cars. 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Because all the wives are working like a doll. 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He has Airbnb's and he has them like remodeling them. 29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They clean them and everything. 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He basically has all day. 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: They go out and like work all these odd jobs. 29:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And he gets all the money. 29:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:11 [SPEAKER_02]: By late 2021, Baitman was one exposure. 29:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, the thing about these collet leaders like him. 29:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He wants that ego. 29:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So he invites them to start filming him for their documentary, so he invites the cameras in, and then that's when Marie uses that access to start getting close to the women. 29:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And you could tell it, and she talks about that, so she starts feeling like something was off. 29:35 [SPEAKER_02]: There's one instance where, I mean, this is all filmed so you can watch it where they're out in like the woods being filmed and they noticed that one of the wives when the young wives is like a little off down the hill ball and rise out and so like in those instances, you can see the camera sweep behind and zoom in on her. 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that's what I thought was the most interesting about the documentary is that it was all, like, actual footage, not reenactments, and just the way that he was all about it, just from his ego, like, any time it was about him, he's just beaming from ear to ear, and his damn white leather jacket, and that's his white leather family seat. 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, how do we, so in one of the filming instances, 30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: he was describing an atonement ceremony as what he called it. 30:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And he says that it involved under age wives. 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's when you could tell that these two filmmakers outside are like, say what? 30:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But they're trying to like not give him a reason to think that they're not, and they're like, oh, 30:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's really interesting. 30:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I must have been hard. 30:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, how did that? 30:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's just like, yeah, God told me to do it and I'm like, no, no, no, no, but it was like, I had to because I can't just obey. 30:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, oh my gosh, that'd be so hard. 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to get him talking. 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Heavenly Father told him his three wives needed to screw. 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what he used. 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Screw his friends while he watches to a tone for the sense of wicked men. 31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, you know, whatever. 31:12 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how God would roll. 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd be like, hey, you need to screw that in your wall. 31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, screw them screw them. 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you think God would say screw. 31:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's the way that he describes it, too. 31:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, and it was just so clear. 31:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, no, no, no, not it caused him pain. 31:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 31:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Let it happen. 31:29 [SPEAKER_02]: it was so dramatic. 31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He actually did that. 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He would touch his forehead. 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 31:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It was so hard. 31:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a victim. 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he asked the girls. 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they feel darkness in it? 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, these poor brainwashed girls are like, no, there was no darkness in it. 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I was glad. 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, just so robotic and dead. 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh. 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Poor things. 31:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought one of the crazy parts to me was he ends up moving them all into this like two room house. 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It was. 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They were men weren't allowed there. 32:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And they'd sleep in all of them. 32:04 [SPEAKER_02]: All one, I believe it was a few beds that they put together into one big room. 32:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was one big mess of bed and that's where they all slept. 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, yeah. 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, go. 32:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You see all their pillows. 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, why not? 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't he be? 32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got all them wives, clean up back. 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what kind of what I was, you know, I don't want to be, you know, I'm glad they weren't, I guess they weren't cleaning. 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: every two days they work in the odd jobs to give them money. 32:26 [SPEAKER_02]: By late 2021, he was one of even more exposure and so he was letting these filmmakers in more and more and so they were able to like film all these things and the people slip up here and there but then what was really frustrating is she reports it to the police and she's reporting to the police all this stuff that she's finding and I tell you why I really wanted to punch that police officer in the face. 32:51 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, she kept, it's almost like he was in convenience. 32:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's just thought when he was going to be signed up for a police officer in town, he's like, oh, it's going to be easy piece. 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't actually do police work. 33:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 33:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And so you could tell like the filmmakers were asking him questions and like, he got all read several times. 33:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, why can't talk about that? 33:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, crap, can't talk about because you didn't read it. 33:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And so like, the lady was like, yeah, I mean, I filmed him saying that. 33:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And then like, I never heard anything. 33:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Never like never come back to me and then finally I just kept calling calling calling and he'd be like, oh, I'm not ready. 33:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, not missing. 33:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And he watched the video of the guy saying that, you know, he watched his underage wives screw these men and the police officers like, yeah, there's nothing in the video. 33:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We need more. 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember that. 33:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So frustrating. 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That was very frustrating. 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What else was I was yelling at the team? 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: What else do you need? 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a town of mostly Latterday Saints. 33:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I ain't come at no crime. 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember that part. 33:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, why love though. 33:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, they end up going to the like the FBI ends up coming in. 33:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's this woman. 33:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I really like to her. 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 33:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But then the the woman's like, yeah. 33:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The guy starts showing me the video. 33:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, 34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first thing I thought was, this was 10 months ago, and this person's not arrested. 34:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 34:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He said this 10 months ago. 34:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So she was like, you know, pushing that. 34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, it was stupid. 34:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Like why are we winning so long to do this? 34:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wrote down that watching the girls fall on over and rub on him. 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Was stomach turning. 34:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh. 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He would just sit there and they'd surround him. 34:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And everything he'd said, yes, darling. 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, we love you. 34:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, praise him. 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that the girls actually truly believe that they needed him to get into heaven. 34:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That was. 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It was some of it's hard and like you're like, but you could start seeing because they were always filming. 34:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you could see like moments where they say something, but then like there's this like, 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I said too much. 34:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Do I say that okay, I'm going to get in trouble? 34:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 34:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, clearly brainwashed that one. 34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she said that she had become like a perfect at telling him what he wanted to say for her. 35:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so messed up. 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, down to more about Moroni, a total C U N T, he's the one who gave 35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wrote down, there need to be more regulations on religious sex, like, you know, stuff like this. 35:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I understand freedom of religion. 35:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I do not understand. 35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, not when a twice a year home visit would be nice to some of some of these. 35:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was interesting because in the beginning, it was clear that he said, and the lady who had film would say, like, he was very careful to make sure that he didn't call any of the underage women his wives. 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Or get the like pictures. 35:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he wouldn't let them take pictures of them together. 35:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they were a couple how he wanted to build this giant palace So he could he yeah get the queen of England Be his wife. 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He saw and they made the YouTube video of the choir of wives singing that was terrifying in itself 36:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That I kept laughing at that one. 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. 36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Freedom England. 36:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Freedom England. 36:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, she's going to come here. 36:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I can feel it. 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he also said that there's no such thing as an underage marriage in the priesthood. 36:25 [SPEAKER_02]: A pedophile would say that. 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no such thing as underage. 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and then that's when it revealed that the pink lady, where she revealed that she was married to another false prophet and herself sex-trafficked. 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That really like. 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: who my mind. 36:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And so when she started questioning the police officer, like, why is the FBI not getting involved? 36:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're talking about all these women, underage people, like, why are the FBI not getting involved? 36:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, oh, no, well, they can't come in unless it's multiple states. 36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, 36:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been giving you recordings of them talking about literally going to other states. 37:03 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, it's a trafficking ring. 37:04 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to other states like she's like, yeah, so she's like, it, it is, you know, other states. 37:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, okay, well, I'll send it off to the FBI. 37:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when he sent it to the woman, the woman starts reading through it and watching the video. 37:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, 37:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Why hasn't this person been arrested? 37:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He's admitting to all these crimes is clear. 37:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, doesn't make sense. 37:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's because someone doesn't know how to do what they're doing. 37:25 [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing this. 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy that it was also that gray hair detective ladies last came. 37:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The mind control too got me. 37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: just journal after journal lines that he would make them. 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, he did have a schedule that was like wake up classes, you know, throughout the day, like even other classes were mind-controlled journal, right? 37:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 37:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like write the same five sentences about one of them that caught me off guard was Samuel I'm and Holy Ephane love with you over and over. 37:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 37:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Jesus. 37:59 [SPEAKER_02]: How like just oh my control crazy. 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then they said that eventually he stopped doing it classes and anything and just had all of his wives basically screwing him all day. 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Get used in screwing. 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I had an LDS thing. 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Growing. 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He is so effing grows. 38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen dog turrets with more wit and charisma. 38:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that you wrote all this down in your golden girls book. 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and they even named a baby after her, the pink lady. 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, they do. 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: One of their babies, they named it after her. 38:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And then again, the music video with the queen to be his wife, the utter detachment from reality, oh, and then he was trying to like, he knew something was up. 38:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So he tried to leave. 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he got in that black SUV and pulled a trailer with some of his wives and closed trailers. 38:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And the door was broken and kept trying to open up. 38:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just they were like using their hands to keep and you know people saw fingers and they get pulled over. 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the one that I remember saying. 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The way he crumbled the cop has more than he's like, what's your name? 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, what's your name? 39:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So Sam. 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, Sam what? 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he like, he just crumbled so quickly. 39:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Go like you have to give us your name. 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: See you. 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Such a weasel. 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Nome's she like was the one that was like, no, we need him. 39:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We, you know, follow a higher authority in yours. 39:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that's when Nome's like sat down for the interview like she comes in. 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Colonel like in that I wrote down all nouns when she sat down I gas I know me too like had light it took me a second I was like me too. 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like. 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the same girl? 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh hell you could just tell she was like yeah The war has been lighted our eyes again before it was just like hollow dead eyes Yeah, and I wrote those hairstyles don't do anyone any favors either. 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: She looked a lot better with the yeah with the new one 40:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They were getting ready for the best and the pink lady was sitting on our husband and she was like, We're not gonna sleep tonight, are we? 40:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Now and what does one wear to take down a pedophile? 40:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I wrote down steel tow boots. 40:24 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the moms. 40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: before all this happened for the bus gets to where the FBR about to come into do the big bus. 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the moms of was a three of the underage girls. 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The lady with the glasses. 40:36 [SPEAKER_01]: She was married to Moroni. 40:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one of the guys friends. 40:40 [SPEAKER_01]: She had been giving her information. 40:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she ends up getting she kept going to the lady's house. 40:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like picking up sticks and doing all this what yard work because she knew that she couldn't go there and be seen talking to her. 40:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So she would like do these small things, trying to see if the lady will come out and talk to her and, you know, trust her. 41:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the... Just so desperate to... Yeah. 41:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, this will happen more. 41:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Will and League give in her underage daughters to this man. 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, she mentioned that, like, she thought she'd be the one that's in jail when her daughter went to jail, because, you know, 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: She kidnapped some of the other girls, which are wrote down. 41:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They put the nine underage girls when he was finally busted. 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They took the underage girls, put them in a group home. 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, probably less crowded as well. 41:30 [SPEAKER_01]: More space. 41:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But when the mom goes to her and is like trying to see if she can trust her to tell what's really going on, she ends up inviting her into the house. 41:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when she's like, you know, I was once. 41:43 [SPEAKER_02]: a wife to someone who lied to me and that's the ladies talking about it and she's like and that's when I realized that my worst fear was coming to life like not only have I given my undrace children to a pedophile but my entire religion that I've been raised on is now I've been following a false prophet and I've been in horrible things. 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that can really mess a person up, like religion. 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, a lot of people's core of who they are and, you know, to have that ripped out from Andrea, that's something. 42:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And not only was she trying to hide from the pedophile who was the prophet of the community around her house. 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: About her husband, so she was scared her husband would find out too. 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He seemed more prophetic than Sam did. 42:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He knew what, like, he's like, 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: are you talking to somebody? 42:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But it was interesting because in that first moment, she's telling the eccentric lady, she's like, what you're seeing is not what's happening. 42:42 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, as soon as you leave the house, they're going through bad abuse. 42:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're being hit. 42:48 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just being horribly treated. 42:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And so she's like, what you're seeing is the picture that they have to put in front of you. 42:55 [SPEAKER_02]: but throughout the whole time, no, like Samuel thought someone was feeding information, but he wasn't sure who it was, didn't think that it was a wife or even these two outsiders, because he trusted them so much, and he thought that that is equal. 43:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so the main girl that he said, the Josh's talking about that comes in and like, you know, has the modern day realization. 43:17 [SPEAKER_02]: She talks about how she started questioning the filmmakers of like, I think that they're not trustworthy. 43:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And she mentioned it to Samuel and Samuel's like, how could you question my authority? 43:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't I know better? 43:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He turned the wives against him. 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, called her, it made her stand in front of own. 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm a bitch. 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is why I'm a bitch. 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was all they were able to like refer to her by. 43:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was just all interesting about how it all comes about. 43:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So the night before the bus, even when the bus happens, no one knew that the informants was those three girls mom and the filmmakers. 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they went to the filmmakers house after the bus, the wives that, you know, were still there. 44:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 44:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They knew that someone had to be giving information because they said that as soon as the FBI came in, they knew everyone by name, like, oh, you are, you are, you are, you are, and they're like, they knew too much for them not to have had insider information. 44:17 [SPEAKER_02]: The crazy part to me is the sadness of how the girls found out. 44:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 44:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That damn, oh my god, I almost threw the TV remote. 44:28 [SPEAKER_02]: CPS comes in for the young children and they throw away a piece of paper and one of the girls goes and looks at the paper on the apples It how like yeah, and it says that the three informants are the two filmmakers in the mom just take it with you right? 44:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like how crazy Like that down. 44:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you can't remember that. 44:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then I mean you have to remember like all this stuff is filmed live. 44:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so The one of the girls calls 44:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The text. 44:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, text. 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And it takes the wives. 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the wives start, you know, you bitch. 45:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, gone crazy. 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: God. 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so sad. 45:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they kidnapped the girls from the group home. 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And take them to another house somewhere, but they are eventually found. 45:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And my God, they're instead of put together, then the underage girls are then put in separate foster homes and no communication. 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: like, not getting us twice. 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: This for your own good. 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's sad. 45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It was. 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Two of the wives went to jail for at least a year. 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It said that all the wives involved that were of age. 45:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Serve time. 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And then all the men will be in prison for the rest of the life. 45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Although Maroni had like three years of probation. 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he just went to 45:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the informant, the lady of the mom went to the husband and was like, okay, so this is what's going to happen. 46:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can either be on the right side or you can be on the wrong side, either way you're going to be responsible. 46:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And so she's like, 46:13 [SPEAKER_02]: To my surprise, he was like, you're right. 46:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to go to the police and confess my sins and do what's right for our family. 46:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Shocked by that. 46:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He was so into Sam's thumb. 46:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, he had him, like, if he was over at the house, he had to go to a windowless room in the basement. 46:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't allowed to talk to any of the women. 46:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was basically just gave Sam his wives, his daughters, and all of his money. 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: for what? 46:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But what was interesting is that the kidnapping that happened of the younger children, Bateman actually orchestrated it from jail. 46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He directed three of his adult wives to retrieve the nine girls from state care. 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe he had was able to have communication with like that video. 46:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So those three wives were charged as well with conspiracy to kidnap and to tamper with the investigation. 47:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So even when he got put in jail for the trailer incident, the filmmakers had picked him up with some of the wives. 47:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And so while they're in the car, he looks over at one of the filmmakers and he's like, 47:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know how to wipe phones? 47:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't do that. 47:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You can get rid of evidence. 47:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they got it on film. 47:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was a violation of his probation. 47:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So they were trying to get that wrapped up into it as well. 47:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But in 2024, of April, Baitman played a guilty-to-two federal accounts, conspiracy to transport a minor for criminal sexual activity and conspiracy to commit kidnapping. 47:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He admitted sexual conduct with 10 children and at least 12 adult wives. 47:49 [SPEAKER_02]: In October of 2024, two of his male followers, 48:00 [SPEAKER_02]: 2024, Judge Susan sent his statement to 50 years in federal prison plus lifetime supervised release, calling the harm absolutely immeasurable and describing the children as having been treated as sex slaves. 48:15 [SPEAKER_02]: He currently is held at the FCI Tulson with a release date set for 265, which at an age would be effectively the end of his life. 48:27 [SPEAKER_02]: There were 11 adult followers that were arrested and convicted for as co-conspirators to work convicted by jury nine by plea. 48:37 [SPEAKER_02]: The key ones that I wrote down, was it said bestowing? 48:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe so. 48:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Bistolene Jr. Ladell was the first name he gave his two daughters age 9 and 11 to Bateman and took part in years of abuse. 48:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Torrance, Bistolene, was Ladell's brother. 48:55 [SPEAKER_02]: He was sentenced in April 2025 to 35 years plus lifetime supervised release. 49:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Moroni, Johnson, father of Maretta and Ruth. 49:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He was sentenced in May of 2025 to 25 years. 49:09 [SPEAKER_02]: described as the only one of the men to genuinely wake up 20 dead as the guy's husband. 49:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Naomi, Bistolene, was the adult wife who took part in the kidnapping, pleaded guilty, served about two years and got time served plus probation. 49:26 [SPEAKER_02]: She has since left the FLDS and is pursuing music. 49:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Maretta Johnson was a minor when Bateman took her as a wife. 49:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Later was involved in the kidnapping as a 19-year-old. 49:39 [SPEAKER_02]: She was treated as a victim, pleaded to a lesser charge and sentenced to time served. 49:45 [SPEAKER_02]: She's actually now married and has her own family. 49:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Don A. I think it's how the first name was pronounced barlow. 49:53 [SPEAKER_02]: This was the third woman charge in the kidnapping. 49:55 [SPEAKER_02]: She put guilty. 49:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Her final sentence is unconfirmed. 49:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't find a source of what that final sentence ended up being. 50:04 [SPEAKER_02]: at least eight kidnapped girls, warberg covered, placed in separate foster care homes and have testified against Bateman, many of their parents remain loyal to Bateman, though. 50:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Like how hold and stand. 50:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But a thing is like being in a cult like that and especially religious cult, these people are being scammed. 50:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you're a victim of a scam, 50:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to admit it. 50:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to admit it. 50:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no. 50:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The moment you admit it, it's real. 50:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, you just have a lot of bad feelings about it. 50:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's easier to just go along with it. 50:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's God. 50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Leave it to God. 50:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Our selves are the most common lie. 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You get person we lie to. 50:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 50:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But so these people were F. L. D. S. This is a break from the mainstream Mormonism, which is L. D. S. Fundamentals. 50:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 50:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So LDS renounced polygamy, which is why they don't have that F in the front, and 1890, the FLDS is the sect that refuses to comply. 51:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They had settled in the short creek, and the twin towns of Colorado City, Arizona, and Hildel, Utah. 51:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the twin towns. 51:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The culture runs a prophetic obedience. 51:19 [SPEAKER_02]: The prophet's word is treated as God's word. 51:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And stepping out of line is framed as spiritual catastrophe. 51:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So you may not be forgiven by God. 51:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the conditioning that Baitman inherited and ultimately used to control his followers. 51:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So messed up. 51:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Warren Jeffs was the FLDS prophet in 2002. 51:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he had landed on the FBI top 10 list in 2006 and was convicted in 2011 of assaulting children and drawing a life sentence. 51:54 [SPEAKER_02]: The crucial detail of that though is that the marriage ban he issued from prison. 52:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So he told all of the FLDS followers that they could not get married. 52:05 [SPEAKER_02]: They could not do any of that. 52:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was interesting to watch because that was a community that was built around plural marriage and they were all being told you can no longer marry. 52:17 [SPEAKER_02]: You can no longer have children. 52:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that left a big ache in that community. 52:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So when Bateman shows up and he's like, oh, I'm a prophet. 52:25 [SPEAKER_02]: We can all start having sex again and get married. 52:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We do have sex. 52:29 [SPEAKER_02]: There was one scene where they show 52:35 [SPEAKER_02]: beds, probably call those baby cribs. 52:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like all being stored in a room because no one was having kids because they're a leader so they couldn't. 52:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So how that was all really interesting. 52:46 [SPEAKER_02]: There were some things that the documentary left out or they gloss over. 52:50 [SPEAKER_02]: One of them was this was a legal milestone. 52:53 [SPEAKER_02]: The series doesn't clearly say that, but this was the first time a leader of a polygamous group was convicted specifically for the sexual abuse of underage children. 53:04 [SPEAKER_02]: They also gloss over the ongoing danger. 53:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Bateman still makes daily phone calls to loyal wives from prison with no apparent cap. 53:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Marie has called it an IV of indoctrination. 53:20 [SPEAKER_02]: The film hints at this without fully conveying the risk. 53:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they said, you know, we had so many wives to loyal to them that any time you needed money on his commissary card for calls or whatever they just didn't put it on there. 53:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Many viewers may be unfamiliar with FLDS belief. 53:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So they may not quite grasp the concept of why surrendering daughters to a profit was actually seen in the religion as righteousness. 53:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Get you to help. 53:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Righteous. 53:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 53:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas, like, we, not thinking as they would be like, my God, why would you do that? 53:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's monstrous to believe. 53:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So that kind of, without understanding of their belief. 54:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, make sure, you know, you actually fully 100% believing that if you don't, you will go to hell. 54:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 54:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it wouldn't, and not like in a sarcastic, like every ounce of 54:22 [SPEAKER_02]: In something else that I thought the film or the documentary didn't really touch much on was that Marie and her husband had to deceive Bateman for about a year, that's how long we're filming and they were like going along with it. 54:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So there is heroism there. 54:39 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's also the fear that they had to experience like knowing that this guy is a predator and not being able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able to do not be able 55:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought one of the more fascinating things about the documentary is that they were able to do that for a year without breaking or slipping, slipping as, you know, I was expecting that, like at some point where they like, the husband said something, you know, that got Sam's attention, and I was glad that they didn't. 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 55:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a rather large population of FLDS people. 55:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what people go in there. 55:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably, but when you watch it, you kind of like think it's just, this guy in his wife, this is just those families, but I mean, this is a big population of a town, but so that wasn't touched on that, you know, that he had a lot of believers in the town. 55:51 [SPEAKER_00]: outside of his own. 55:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so like you have this abuse happening and this is like one instance of many instances. 55:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I have wives that they felt like celebrities. 56:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like the fact that an FLDS person sees it as if I give my children to a prophet that's such a blessing that tells you that internally there's a problem with the system. 56:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 56:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's happening, not just these two instances. 56:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the women, you know, that's all they're viewed for is we have given to him. 56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe if we're lucky, they can birth him a male, maybe another prophet. 56:31 [SPEAKER_01]: One of our children could be a prophet's mother. 56:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was interesting too that he gets a lot of phone calls from his followers from prison. 56:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean in that town, he still has a lot of adult followers that still believe that he is this. 56:46 [SPEAKER_02]: How big was the town? 56:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the exact population, but it's a good size town. 56:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember them, you know, showing anything like in it, out and how big the town actually was. 56:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The only time I had an idea of how big the town was was when they start showing that he had a few property. 57:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, he started here in this larger house. 57:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, I remember that. 57:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And like it like goes on my way to all the other houses girl, like who's 11 in his town? 57:10 [SPEAKER_01]: it's not like huge and it's kind of because it is FLDS, like the store in town is like a just a random grocery store run by the FLDS, so it was like all, you know, all wives running it, which, you know, I was shocked at the beginning that they were so open to being filmed. 57:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But when I see people dressed like that around here, my brain is like, I'mish, right? 57:33 [SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't allow filming, but I'm like, now they're not 57:39 [SPEAKER_02]: population of 57:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just can't trust all these random religions and deserts and isolated places. 57:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You gotta be checking all right at least a couple times a year like a deep check. 57:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're going through the underwear drawer has 10,000 people 10,000. 58:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot bigger than what I was expecting because the way that it makes it look like on the documentary is that it's just like a little potent town, you know, that isn't a thing there. 58:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Ironically, the population of Wabash is 10,000. 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's the same population as Sidney. 58:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's an army of FLDS. 58:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But when you watch it, you think like it's small. 58:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's only a few of these people there. 58:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're all just desertists and not have much around here. 58:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just spread out. 58:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, that's how many followers believe in this. 58:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I feel like, you know, I get freedom of religion, I understand that I get it, but if you're religion believes in things that are illegal, yeah, that's not like if you give your underage daughter to profit, he can do what he wants. 59:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They skip over that point skip over what you don't want a great pick if if you don't just get just get it's not for the white man or above that love lowered so sad it is support kids won't even like the ground women because they were kids when it they started right yeah and you know they've just been brainwashed and to 59:30 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll probably never come out on that. 59:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 59:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Just crazy. 59:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, just it's hard for me to wrap my head around stuff like that. 59:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, you know, you're like, there's happier ways to live. 59:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 59:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And just the greed that cornbread, whitebread, boron ass, dumb man, just every bit of nothing about him. 59:56 [SPEAKER_00]: was good. 59:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you need 23 wives. 59:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 60:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd be lucky to have one. 60:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to cook. 60:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Did it say how many children that he had? 60:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember. 60:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a rage. 60:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No, just how many children that he had. 60:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't remember that. 60:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember that. 60:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there were several, but I don't remember. 60:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they like, they didn't put too much focus on the babies that they're trying not to show them too much, even the underage wives, their faces were distorted with AI, which I thought was odd when they showed us. 60:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I would have been fine not knowing that. 60:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I watched a... 60:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Documentary yesterday. 60:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just something new on Netflix and it deals with a murder or something and one of the victims. 60:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was of this nurse who was telling a bunch of people in England, I think, and one of them, I have one of the victims, she starts talking and then in the top corner it says like digitally anonymized. 61:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, 61:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and then at one moment in time, she talks on like, oh, they used a eye to like make her have her a different face. 61:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So then after that, I couldn't launch it like I watched the whole thing, but I didn't comprehend it because every time it cut to this woman, I just kept thinking. 61:19 [SPEAKER_02]: now I can't focus because it's just I'm just looking at this fake face at that time. 61:25 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a half-putting. 61:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would rather I think I would honestly rather than just like blur it on. 61:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 61:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 61:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 61:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Or like on, on solve mysteries what they would do is they put you in a dark room and you just couldn't see the thing. 61:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you see their body. 61:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that. 61:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You're silhouette. 61:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That was it. 61:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how 61:50 [SPEAKER_02]: a good looking woman. 61:53 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a lady. 61:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked up to her camera turned off. 61:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame it. 61:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame it. 62:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I turn off too. 62:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all right. 62:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Salon Camo's president don't have like an Alexa or something hooked up to her. 62:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We can just voice control turn all the shit on. 62:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I have had that before, but the problem is sometimes it's their fault team. 62:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 62:15 [SPEAKER_02]: With Wi-Fi and Bluetooth signals are like we'll say something and it'll turn off. 62:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you see that anywhere. 62:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly, it's calling. 62:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Call Daddy. 62:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Call me. 62:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We thought over at the same time. 62:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 62:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Calling Daddy. 62:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not an allowed name. 62:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun. 62:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Daddy won through 100. 62:41 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 62:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what these kids say, but we're making it. 63:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna talk about bringing back darling. 63:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want the kids to say it. 63:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well darling, I'm joining us on Patreon, so we can talk about it. 63:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Emma is stuff because we like stuff. 63:14 [SPEAKER_02]: If you mail us some food, make sure it's sealed, because we love you. 63:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't love, yeah. 63:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just somewhere. 63:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Too much, just we talk about cults. 63:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want that person. 63:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Emma, we talk about cults and true crime and all kinds of other stuff. 63:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right guys, we'll catch you next week right here. 63:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye!
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