0:10 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jim, well, thanks again for joining me. 0:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to jump right in and we're going to start talking about the people who appeared in the keepers, where they are now, what more information we might know about them. 0:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, as we talk, we kind of, a little sidetracked and we go down these different rabbit holes, of course. 0:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we do. 0:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Jim, I have a list here of people who appeared. 0:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll just go right to the list. 0:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one is Miss Jima Hoskins. 0:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is she today? 0:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And how is she? 0:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing okay, I broke my hip in November. 0:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a dog accident. 0:45 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a second dog accident. 0:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's not an annual event. 0:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a rescue dog named Misty, and I was walking her. 0:53 [SPEAKER_01]: My hand was through the loop. 0:55 [SPEAKER_01]: on the leash, and she bolted after a squirrel and took me down with her, and nobody can believe she didn't pull my arm out of its joint, but I brought my femur, which is a big bone in your leg, and so since November, I have been one walker, cane, whatever, 1:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have to accept that and learn from it. 1:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't walk that dog anymore. 1:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I pay somebody to do it. 1:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, I've taken a big step up from all things keepers and the advocacy has not been needed because everybody who has contacted me, I've sent them to either, you know, 1:49 [SPEAKER_01]: an attorney, a therapist, the police, wherever they need to go, but I am not getting enmeshed in a lot of that because it's just too traumatic for me. 2:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I've had to acknowledge that and put myself in a place where it's more academic. 2:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so I love my life. 2:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I paint. 2:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I live in a home in the woods or a river. 2:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will not say where that is, but you know, you're invited to come in visit any time. 2:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And like right now, I'm looking at his trees and the sun going down. 2:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm doing okay. 2:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to be 74 in November. 2:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's next? 2:43 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Gemma. 2:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So the next person is Abby. 2:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Abby, and I haven't talked to her for years, but she is still active in, I believe, the legislation, having to do with the bankruptcy filings. 3:01 [SPEAKER_01]: hearing and all that stuff in Annapolis and she is also active on the official deeper's group page. 3:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe she's one of the administrators and I do think she reports you know what's going on legislatively and that seems to be her niche where she's comfortable. 3:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 3:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have been in somewhat communications with Abby and I'll say that you're exactly right, especially because I, I'll communicate with her through the Facebook group, the official one for the keeper. 3:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of her focus right now is trying to keep up with the bankruptcy, the whole case, which is so complicated. 3:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And 3:44 [SPEAKER_00]: you can kind of tell if you're trying to follow it that I think that the complication is something that the Archdiocese wants. 3:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they don't want you to know exactly what's going on because it makes them look bad, you know? 4:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting. 4:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I think that that's a piece of it. 4:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We also know that one of the things about Abby is that she likes the lower public profile. 4:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that that was definitely a difference between the two of you that we all saw in the keepers as well. 4:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that you're not wanting to shy away from it of going around a knocking on a door and asking questions and co-hosting a podcast with a random stranger from Indiana. 4:31 [SPEAKER_00]: who's very close. 4:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Who sent me a t-shirt that says Indiana, it ain't that bad. 4:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so true. 4:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 4:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot. 4:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, I saw it and I immediately thought of you. 4:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it because I think Indiana is great because you live there. 4:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I appreciate that. 4:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I hope that's how everyone remembers Indiana. 4:50 [SPEAKER_00]: All that podcast or Shane lives there. 4:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 4:54 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 4:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So Gemma, let's talk about some of the 5:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Jean is, I think, very happy right now. 5:06 [SPEAKER_01]: She has shared with me that she is working at a daycare for adults with disabilities. 5:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she does activities with them, art, and you know, whatever is on the schedule for that day. 5:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think she has found that to be really rewarding. 5:26 [SPEAKER_01]: She does a lot with her family. 5:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's on Facebook. 5:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I see her with her daughter. 5:32 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, they take day trips together and they she has a big huge family. 5:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think family and her work with, you know, disabled adults is where it's at for Jane right now and she's happy with that. 5:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll also add that Gene did release a book in 2022 and it was called Walking With Alithia. 5:54 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 5:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So the next person will be Teresa and with Teresa that's actually how I first came into contact with this entire case. 6:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll just briefly mention that for a moment in case you weren't aware anyone who's listening. 6:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I first came across Sister Kathy's case kind of randomly I was working on a case for my podcast of a victim who was murdered in 1964 I want to say. 6:23 [SPEAKER_00]: in the suburb of Cleveland. 6:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Her name was Beverly Jaros, and at the time I was looking for any other young Catholic women who had been brutally murdered, and I randomly came across Sister Katzice's case. 6:39 [SPEAKER_00]: this was, I believe, either right near the ending of the filming of the keepers or they had just finished. 6:48 [SPEAKER_00]: When I first reached out to Teresa, I saw Teresa's name come up in a document when it came to Sister Kathy. 6:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I reached out to her, and I remember where I was when I called her, and she, for probably two hours, just talked about this abuse that had happened, and father, maschool, and magnus, and all this stuff. 7:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And here I was like dumbfounded, like how in the world could this have happened. 7:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And I stayed in touch with her for a few weeks, and then she mentioned to me that she suggested 7:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I reached out the first time and I think it might have been a little while after that first reach out when I had a conversation with you, we recorded it and a little later you mentioned that you probably should have gotten approval for that. 7:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't know that I had like a person. 7:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, first you'll prove who I spoke to. 7:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually didn't just speak to you. 7:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I spoke to a tabloid. 7:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know. 7:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know it was a tabloid. 7:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, oops, can't do that. 8:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to get permission. 8:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 8:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You were saved. 8:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 8:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But why don't you go ahead and talk about Teresa and what she's been doing since the 8:20 [SPEAKER_01]: actually survived what happened to them literally survived because it was so horrific and they have both been strong, resilient, Teresa is an attorney and right now she is the spokesperson for a large law firm in Baltimore. 8:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So that she attends all the hearings, she goes to everything that has to do with the sexual assault situation, with the church, with their legislation, with the law enforcement, and she shares that. 8:56 [SPEAKER_01]: She's in the news quite often. 8:59 [SPEAKER_01]: She does a lot of media, both news reporting live, 9:05 [SPEAKER_01]: like on television and also articles in local newspapers. 9:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So Teresa has been a wonderful source of information and a wonderful source of support for other survivors who don't know what they should do and who are afraid to come forward because she's an example of somebody who came forward and she seems to be doing really well and I really applaud that because what happened to her 9:35 [SPEAKER_01]: She'd never happen to anybody. 9:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 9:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So she is, yeah, she's practicing what she preaches. 9:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've always looked up to Teresa. 9:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it would be so hard to have come forward back in the early 2000s, you know, and fight the church at the time. 9:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 9:53 [SPEAKER_00]: When a lot of other survivors didn't feel comfortable talking about it yet, you know? 9:58 [SPEAKER_00]: but then becoming an attorney and using that to strengthen her voice is absolutely amazing. 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that we should talk about with Theresa is that because of her knowledge and efforts that also helped pass the 2023 child's victim act. 10:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And as you said, she's very active in the archdiocese bankruptcy with the survivor's coalition. 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, which is definitely a really good read. 10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I recommend it. 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Highly. 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And gray. 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So the next survivor that appeared in the keypurs is Donna. 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Donna Bond and Bosch, okay, Donna was also instrumental in helping to get the child victims act past. 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: She spoke several times in an appellate, she testified, talked about the abuse that happened to her at the hands of Joseph Maskel. 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: She also is responsible for getting Neil Magnus's name on the Bishop's accountability. 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: of incredibly accused clergy. 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't talked to Donna in a while. 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a couple of years. 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: She lives in another state and her past don't cross. 11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: She's also involved in she's one of the state coders in the bankruptcy claims. 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think she's doing pretty well. 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: She is a nurse. 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she's working or retired, but she has done a lot for 11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: underrepresented populations of, you know, people who are in prison or indigenous individuals, homeless people, she's very much into nursing that has to do with those populations. 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I give her kudos for taking her pain and doing something positive with it as well. 12:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and one of the things that I always think about when I think about Donna is her betons. 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't know that people did like, did batons outside of, you know, like cheerleading and stuff and then I'll never forget when she had a meal on Facebook and I saw one of her videos of her batons and I was like, that's talent. 12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I would hit myself in the face, how did Shane get knocked out a baton, you know. 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I forgot about that. 12:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like she is so talented with batons and I never thought I would say that about someone but that's always just six out of my mind. 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The next person is Charles. 12:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Charles Franz, when the papers was released, he had some relapse issues and didn't do well for a while. 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think right now he's in a good place. 13:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a new either wife or girlfriend. 13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's very happy. 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He seems to be living his best life. 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that after the capers came out, the state offered him his license back if he wanted to practice dentistry again because he had been arrested. 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He and his wife both were practicing under the influence of prescription medication. 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that was a few scandal in the area where 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, we all live Kate and Spill near Baltimore, and so I think when they saw why he was the way he was, they saw that, you know, there would be maybe the gesture of offering him as license again would have been something he might want to do. 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he actually retired. 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he practiced his dentistry anymore. 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: but I believe he lives on the eastern shore of Maryland and he has, you know, a new woman in his life. 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's happy his own family. 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He has grandchildren and kids. 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he takes a lot of joy and spending time with them. 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: to haven't talked to Charles himself. 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: His family requested when he wasn't doing so well that we not contact him. 14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, we respect that. 14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He needed his time and his space to, you know, and his privacy. 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's, you know, that's what we did because it was his choice. 14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's important, you know, there's nothing that you and I can do, Gemma. 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That would bring sister Kathy back, but there are things that we can do that could hurt survivors. 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's always been a very big priority for us. 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The next people I want to ask about are going to be students. 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So Lil. 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, one of my favorite people. 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my, too. 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's doing so well. 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And along the way, she did get dual citizenship in case she decides to lean on a tree and go live in Ireland. 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: She and her husband travel a lot. 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: She is delightful. 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: She is happy. 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: She's sweet. 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: She's engaging. 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just one of my very favorite people. 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: She's very positive. 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But she has very, very strong political opinions. 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And anybody who knows her reads about them is every single day on Facebook. 15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that. 15:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The next student is Juliana. 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Joliano Bertoldi. 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Joliano was Kathy's student when she left Kio. 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Joliano is the student that spoke to Kathy the day she disappeared at Western High School, not Kio. 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've only touched base with Julian and like to say happy birthday, but to my knowledge she's doing well, she is chosen not to get involved in podcasts or, you know, search for who killed sister Kathy, but again, that's understandable, too. 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the next person is Chris. 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Chris sent a faulty. 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't been in touch with Chris in quite a while. 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe she is still a real estate agent in Maryland and lives in one of the counties in Maryland that's a little bit away from 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Mary Spence. 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I want Mary to live next door to make the money. 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Mary, fix her head up every once in a while with some funny thing. 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think Mary's story was very credible and now I'll bet the spotlight's been on Coo. 17:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's very likely that what she heard that night was Kube arguing with Kathy at Kathy's car and you know that may have led up to Kathy's abduction, but Mary is she very eccentric, but she's the sweetest thing in the whole world. 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, she takes her tomatoes to the state fair and wins prizes and that's Mary. 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And who wouldn't want her live in next door to you? 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we could ever be in the, we'd probably be hanging over the fence all the time. 18:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I hear from Mary occasionally, seems like she's doing well. 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, see, Gemma, I had this picture in my head for a moment that if you and Mary live next to each other, I could see myself getting a phone call from the police one day. 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It would happen. 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We need you to come pick up Mary and Gemma. 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Mary is the one who drove the route that Kathy may have taken. 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: to the store, and back again, to see if it would have been possible to do it, make the stops that she made and get back home again in an hour, and she was able to do it. 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but Josh Pataglia did tell me, I said, give me something, Josh. 19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She said, okay, check was cashed at 750. 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So if Kathy left at 730, here we go on a tangent, I think she did not go to the bakery inside the heck company. 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There was the same bakery on the way to the bank that would have been on the right side of the road, not far from where she lived. 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: She could have gone down. 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If she came out of her 19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: At the bottom of the street, make a right on to Frederick Road, people who live in Baltimore will know what I'm talking about, stopped at muellies that was on Frederick Road, and then gone on to the bank, which was at the intersection of Frederick and angle side, and then to the village, Edmonton village. 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably to the side opposite the heck company, Hoshal Cone was in the strip mall, and that's where a student from Kiyo saw her. 20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't even know if she ever went over to the heck company. 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: She could have bought those roles one away to the bank. 20:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So she definitely could have made it in an hour. 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, the next person I want to ask you about Jima is Deb. 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Debbie Hannan. 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, have no idea. 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking to her or seen and she's dollars cousin. 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how she's doing. 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: What other students appeared in the keepers that you'd want to talk about? 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Kathy Hobak is an important one. 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely, Kathy was in the keepers. 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: She is the student who was abused by Moscow and was in Kathy's classroom after school playing the guitar and the school called for her to come and Kathy covered for her. 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was just sweetest person. 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that girl. 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: She lived not far from me actually. 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I live in Delaware. 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's okay to say it. 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And I haven't seen her, but I would talk to her on the phone. 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: She loved 21:28 [SPEAKER_01]: that's animals, whatever, that had four legs, it would be her body. 21:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, she had a stroke with complications. 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember exactly what date, but I think it was probably about a year ago. 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Kathy Past. 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was definitely a hard one. 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember for me, yeah, 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There are other people, let me just name some other people. 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You can, if you'd like, or we can continue on. 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you can tick them, you want to tick them. 22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'll just continue down the list that I made real quick. 22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we've already talked about Marilyn in the last episode. 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that. 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The next person who was talked about in the keepers was Tom Nuget. 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Tom, I talked to him about a month ago. 22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He is living in the Midwest and I forgot the name of his lives in Michigan. 22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He lived with his daughter and he seems like he's doing okay. 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Tom had a really bad fall about two years ago. 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He was icy and his brunt porch was a sheet of ice. 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't realize it. 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He fell, fell down the steps, had a head injury, and laid there for a while before anybody found him. 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was pretty messed up. 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was in a red hub for a while with injuries. 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And now he is living with his daughter and her children. 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And he seems like he's doing okay every time I talk to him, he says, now I'm getting in the mood to come back to Baltimore and solve some crimes. 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Tom, take it easy. 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing that anymore. 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he said his 80s. 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I know, but I'm getting all like, I'm getting all worked up over this. 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to solve some crimes, Gemma. 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, that's Tom. 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And he is writing short stories and writing period, you know, that's his life. 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I probably owe him a phone call. 23:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And as of a month ago, he was doing really well. 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And the next journalist, Emma, was one of my favorite people, Bob Erlinson. 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: What a wonderful guy. 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He was amazing. 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, love, uh, Bob covered the case as it was happening for the bottom or some papers. 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, I love Bob too. 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He was nice. 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a photograph of him with Ernest Hemingway hanging in my kitchen. 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that picture. 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he was a real investigative journalist, thus he's been either key Largo or South Africa with Ernest Hemingway, right? 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob died this year as well, and I don't know what the exact it wasn't sudden. 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been ill, but he also was getting up there in age, and I heard from 24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, that's today. 24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the day before I fell and broke my hip. 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was a dark day. 25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I also wrote down that he was 94. 25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: 94. 25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, should we be so lucky, huh? 25:11 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, right. 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But so I want to get into some of the other people who made an appearance in the keepers. 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one, Sharon May. 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, nobody was forced to be in this theory. 25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody did it voluntarily. 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody was paid. 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying that ahead of time. 25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And because it ruined Sharon's career. 25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Sharon was a practicing attorney and doing quite well. 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And because of the 25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's where a lot of people start in their ladle career, but that's where she's ended up. 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's unfortunate. 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, she was not nobody forced her to do the series. 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The next person is Warner Spitz, Dr. Spitz. 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my crush. 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Warner also died within the last couple years. 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, two years ago and he's so cool. 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was gonna we did a podcast with him, right? 26:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or you let me ask the question. 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I did. 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was going to faint when I came on the line because I followed his career and I watched all the, I watched all the trials on TV and I watched him, you know, I watched him testify and to be able to talk to him in person, that was a real highlight for me, yes, I wrote down that he was 97. 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: 97. 26:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know even at 97 he was still working. 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he told it gave us How many all types you've done? 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think so. 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was a lot. 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It memory. 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I also loved his assisted 27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, she was a man. 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's my Facebook friend, her name's Diane. 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Diane, you'll have a check out on her. 27:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how to see how she's doing. 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say there is a book that weren't a wrote. 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Bible on autopsy's. 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really thick and it's several hundred dollars. 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I forget what it's called. 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But pictures of Kathy's wounds are in that book. 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not going to tell anybody where they are, but they're in that book. 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody wants to spend the money and go through that book, we're never going to put those pictures on one line because that's not our business to do it. 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But if somebody wants to track them down, they're in there. 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And the next person is CT Wilson. 28:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't know. 28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to give an opinion about this because I don't know all the details, but apparently something happened, you might know more about this. 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: After the law was passed, where he sort of changed course and was, did something that the survivors didn't like? 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, but that might be a follow-up question that we can ask. 28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Teresa would know if you get a chance to interview her. 28:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm reading some more about him and it looks like he did announce that he's going to run for the Maryland Senate this year. 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good. 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he's anticipating Arthur Ellis, announcing that he's going to run for Congress. 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that he looks like he's going to run to replace, replace him. 29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's not running to be centered or a Washington. 29:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 29:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's a house delicate right now. 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 29:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll see. 29:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks. 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he was the first black man elected delegate for Charles County So that was really interesting. 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it was All right, so the next person I have is bud rumor Well, but died a long time before The keepers was even like a glimmer in somebody's eye and But is the one that 29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: arrived on the scene the day Kathy was bound and Tom Nugen actually interviewed him. 29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do believe that Romer said, if Kube didn't do it, he knows who did something to that effect. 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But we tried to get in touch with Romer Abbey, I have to give her credit for this. 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Got in touch with Romer's nephew to see if he had left any records behind like in a garage 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: and they didn't know of any records at all that would have been, you know, helpful or available. 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Next, Gemma is James Scanel. 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy. 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: My crab cake date. 30:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Scanel died. 30:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And since the capers was released, we have heard numerous allegations of abuse by Chanel as part of the priest. 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: law enforcement network of abusers and more than one survivor said that he also abused them. 31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And I actually, since the papers was released, I actually dug into this a little bit and contacted people who were neighbors on either side of the skin cells home that we visited. 31:22 [SPEAKER_01]: and the neighbors on one side said the family was so loud that they had to move and the people on the other side said that they used to have parties. 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They all got a whole bunch of sons and were also cops. 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: and he said they used to have parties and this neighbor used to call the police, but skinnel was the police. 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So he said he'd call the cops and then everything we got quiet for a half hour and then it would all start up again. 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So they finally gave up. 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The skinnel's lived 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: lot like a driveway between two houses and then their home was behind the two houses. 32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just made that up, pork chop, but it makes sense. 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm talking about. 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Gary, he's another one like Bob Earl and send that everybody likes. 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he'd be real gruff, but he's a big teddy bear. 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to meet him, he's so sweet, so nice, but he will tell me absolutely nothing. 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I tested him a few times and he said, you know I can't talk about that. 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: One interesting side note is that he was on the task force that investigated death of a police officer named Sean suitor, is it suitor? 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was. 32:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And the question was whether it was a murder or suicide because he was supposed to testify the next day in a big murder involved more and he died the night before and I believe the test was determined that it was suicide to avoid having to testify. 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He retired, didn't he? 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you know this. 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I just looked his name up. 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like he's doing work for the cold case foundation. 33:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's part of their investigative team of consultants. 33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's pretty good. 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Where is that? 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is it national or is it Maryland? 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's a national. 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I might have to call him up. 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you should. 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it looks like it's a national thing. 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a five or one season ring. 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The cold case foundation. 33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got a cold case for him to win. 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We do. 33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you should say when you reach out, you have a cold case for him to consult on. 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:56 [SPEAKER_00]: There you go. 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do it this week. 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You should. 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And let me know what he says. 34:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, well, I'm sure he misses you. 34:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Fester any. 34:07 [SPEAKER_00]: next is Beverly Wallace. 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Only know what you saw in the series. 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe she's retired. 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She's an attorney. 34:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That represented some of the survivors and was able to find a whole lot of women who were willing to come forward and talk about what happened to them. 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And she did join us on the podcast 34:36 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, people who love me are hate me, Shane. 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't figure it out. 34:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that one of the things that I've learned about you, Gemma, is that if you were a man, I think people would, those people who don't like you would respect you more. 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense? 34:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because the same reason for very strong women. 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if there's a strong man, if your personality was a man, they would look at you a little differently. 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, oh, he's a leader, he's very strong. 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But for you, as a woman, they'll... A lot of people say that about me. 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess because I'm not afraid to say what I think. 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but those are people that like you. 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if they don't like you, they have a different word. 35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I can be intimidating. 35:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that for you ask questions and if you remember when I talked to Sean Kane with the Archdiocese of Baltimore, he agreed to let me talk to him, but you couldn't be there. 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 35:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I always remember that. 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was there. 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't say anything. 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I was listening. 35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: If you remember what I did was I talked to him on Zoom and I added you in before he got in, but I changed your name as my recording line. 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll never forget you were texting me throughout the entire frustrating conversation. 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And you were just one of the texts I remember you saying was, ask him if he wants to meet me and the survivors on the beach tonight for a fire. 36:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was because you were trying to keep me smiling because I was getting really frustrated. 36:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are very rare circumstances where my blood boils and when he was talking about how you can't hold the church responsible because you also wouldn't hold Home Depot responsible if they're important as far as using children. 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: right. 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I do remember that. 36:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The next person. 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So the people who weren't in the keepers, except they were featured with old footage and stuff, as Masco and Magnus, both of them deceased. 36:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Edgar was featured. 36:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, he was actually in this, he was living. 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right. 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I do believe he was involved in count these death. 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think our behavior analysis might told me that, and I'm not saying this reflects on Ryan, because Ryan is not an investigator, but there are certain questions that 37:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Mike thought it would have gotten Edgar Tickened Thus. 37:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he was so close to saying that he did it or that he was involved. 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And Mike said he was himself was sitting there thinking, oh my god, I know what I would ask him and he would drop it. 37:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It would all come out. 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, how about Billy Smith? 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Billy, well, Billy died before the key first was made. 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It was suicide, I believe, right? 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was. 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And Billy had had some like bake. 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to commit suicide and the family all came running. 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like crying wolf. 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he actually did it. 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe Sharon's going to come back wanting to share all this information, but I think that Sharon believes that he was involved. 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think she is not so convinced that had anything to do with the abuse or Kathy. 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we'll have to dig into her memories a little bit and see what she thinks about all this. 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be good to look forward to. 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I did talk to Sharon yesterday and she shared that, you know, her mother has since passed. 38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was information that she learned that her mother learned or that her mother knew. 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And so if we have her back on, I think that's something that we'll talk about. 38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good. 38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Great. 38:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about Ryan White and Jess. 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: which means that she does everything he doesn't do, but they both film, they both produce, they work, they've been friends since they were five, they've been Los Angeles, and I'm going to recommend that your listeners go to tripod media. 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: TRIPODmedia.com because they will see a list of all of their films. 39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of which happen after the papers, they've done some wonderful award-winning films. 39:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The most recent one was nominated for an Academy Award. 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called Come See Me in the Good Light and it's a story of poet 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: She had a cancer diagnosis and so the documentary documents the last, I guess, year and a half of her life. 40:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: actually released before she died. 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So she got a chance to see it, but it wasn't released to the public until last spring. 40:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an amazing wonderful, uplifting story of love and loss and hope and humor and just they just want to pee body award. 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So. 40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They are now with an agent when they were making the keepers. 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They were just on their own and they and John Benham, who is a director photographer. 40:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He lives in Baltimore and they work with him often. 40:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The three of them pretty much did the whole series. 40:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, they were staying with family and they were 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, flying red eyes back and forth to LA. 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, now they're with a big agency called. 41:02 [SPEAKER_01]: William Morris, so that's down right. 41:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big agency. 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe you. 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 41:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, William, Sonoma and Ryan's like, no, that's a store. 41:13 [SPEAKER_01]: William Morris is a big agency in LA, and they are now with them. 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And they have done just amazing work. 41:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They did Serena, Pamela, a love story they did. 41:28 [SPEAKER_01]: a good old freedom, which is about the Beatles secretary, so there's many, many documentaries that they've done that are remarkable. 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're very talented. 41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I talked to them probably, I don't know, I talked to just every, we text every few weeks or, you know, occasionally we'll get them on the phone and I kind of keep her updated with what's going on here with 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: happenings and we're not on happenings. 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I hear from Ryan by text occasionally, he got married and I guess this is coming up on his second anniversary and he and his husband living LA and Jess and her husband have had two children, two daughters since the keepers came out. 42:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So everybody seems to be thriving. 42:21 [SPEAKER_00]: How about John? 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: John is doing amazing. 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: John's come to visit me a couple of times since he lives in Baltimore. 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I just posted last week, I think, a picture of John scuba diving. 42:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a guy. 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: New for him. 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not snorkeling. 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's scuba diving for a documentary that he's working on. 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's all over the place with his, I think he told me, 42:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's in another country right now, like somewhere far away, Thailand or somewhere, I don't know, he's always hopping around the globe with his documentary filmmaking. 43:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's the person who filmed the keepers. 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He is, yes, he is. 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And I met him at your apartment. 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, filming something else for another 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for another documentary of some kind. 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right. 43:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you're a podcast on that. 43:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the person who edits these episodes for us is our friend Kim. 43:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And do you remember when we were filming that? 43:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Kim was back in the back corner crocheting, and she was just listening so, so hard. 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I will never forget it. 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I didn't notice it until John, 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: swiped his camera around and got a picture of her and you just see her like crocheting her blanket and she's just like cocking her head over and she's just like, are you kidding me? 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like how everyone watches the true crime documentary. 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: She's just like, what? 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 43:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 43:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really cool. 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I do remember that. 43:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was fun. 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 43:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anybody else? 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we leave anybody else? 44:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the main ones that I remembered and that I wrote down. 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think I don't want to leave somebody out that is important and then they look at my list real quick. 44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. 44:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you've got on them all. 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Gemma, I will leave you here, but one of the things I wanted to mention is in the past couple episodes we were talking about a lot of questions that a lot of people were submitting. 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wrote down that almost everyone included with their question, a thank you to both of us that we've been continuing to do this podcast together. 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And they said that they missed us and that they hoped that that episode wouldn't be the last update. 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was just so cute. 44:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're of hinting around that we'll do this as it comes. 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: There we go. 44:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 44:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Not commit. 44:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything. 44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 44:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want me on share and I'll do it. 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's up to the guess whether or not they want me involved. 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So anybody that you line up. 45:05 [SPEAKER_01]: mean it's your show if they want me involved, then I'll do it. 45:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But we could probably get people now that they know where everybody is. 45:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody wants to submit names of people they would like to hear from? 45:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would love it if that one would come on your show without me. 45:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would love it if the archbishop would come on. 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Glory. 45:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I would really love it if like one of the attorneys that's involved in the bankruptcy, you know, representing the survivors, we'd come on and answer some questions, maybe we could get Mary Beth and Rob Downer to come on together. 45:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You know another person I would love to talk to is John. 45:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Benham. 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to talk to him. 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We never talked to him. 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Did we? 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not about. 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe it. 45:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to I have to ask him. 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get that's all lined up. 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, here. 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at me. 46:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 46:02 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Gemma. 46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks again and yeah, and I hope visit. 46:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I will. 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 46:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to bring your dogs. 46:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll bring Betty White and Ruby. 46:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We have room here for dogs. 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 46:17 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 46:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Gemma. 46:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll see you later. 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.
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