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blood out of their head, shuts down. 2:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Blood keeps pumping in, but it can't get out. 2:37 [SPEAKER_03]: The jugular's leaving the head, there are four of them, are smaller and thinner and far easier to climb down. 2:44 [SPEAKER_03]: They're most prominent, below the neck, and you can see them in the mirror, above your 2:55 [SPEAKER_02]: your carotides. 2:57 [SPEAKER_02]: The end to your head from your heart or deep in your neck behind your windpipe. 3:03 [SPEAKER_02]: If you tell your point of finger and your thumb and place them on opposite sides of the top of your windpipe you can fill your carotides thumping on your fingers with the pulse of your heart. 3:14 [SPEAKER_02]: These arteries are thick and muscular and their depth makes them very difficult to stop. 3:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So, when you're strangling someone, the crottides keep pumping blood up through their neck to their brain that desperately needs it, which is great, but this blood has nowhere to go. 3:31 [SPEAKER_02]: The exits are blocked, the jugglers, one vulnerable to the pressure of external clumping, a more or less kinked like four little backyard hoses. 3:42 [SPEAKER_02]: The blood vessels and your victims head now overloaded begin to swell under the pressure of all this extra blood. 3:49 [SPEAKER_02]: A similar thing happens in their lungs, with a little air sac through which your body breathes, called avioli, strain at the lack of oxygen, they spasm and reach for oxygen that won't be coming and before long, the membranes of their cells rupture and leak out into the interstitial tissue around them. 4:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But of course the trauma of strangling isn't confined to the head and the lungs. 4:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Every cell in the body lives through oxygen, and without it, every cell will die. 4:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Cell membranes receive oxygen. 4:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They release carbon dioxide, and the body survives only through this primal interchange with the outside world. 4:32 [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as you close down this exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide, you strand the body on an unsustainable biological aisle. 4:44 [SPEAKER_03]: When you strangle someone, you isolate not only their head from their body, but also their body, from the world around them. 4:54 [SPEAKER_03]: When the body exphyxiates, it starts to death on the meager resources of its own inner reserves. 5:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Relief has to come from within by reopening the body's oxygating commerce with the world outside. 5:24 [SPEAKER_03]: When the body is truly alone, bisected and marooned, its needs are unmet, and everything in it begins to break down. 5:33 [SPEAKER_03]: The only antidote to strangulation is the body's reconnection with the vast cellular community that lies beyond it. 5:43 [SPEAKER_03]: But without this relief, those swollen blood vessels burst, the body panics, and the fury of the pounding careraries began to tear at the soft tissue of the human face and brain. 5:56 [SPEAKER_03]: As these vessels burst, they marked this again with small stains, like little red fireworks spreading silently under its surface. 6:08 [SPEAKER_03]: The ears and eyes began to fail. 6:11 [SPEAKER_03]: and their whites of the eyes, too, turn red with these silent eruptions as they bleed into the corneos. 6:20 [SPEAKER_02]: The stress on the brain during strangulation is enormous, and sometimes the lack of what's the June, causes the brain to die, so the victim becomes so to speak, brain dead. 6:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes they have a stroke. 6:34 [SPEAKER_02]: other times than neck breaks. 6:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But in every case, the victim's pounding heart races the body towards this tiny cellular apocalypse. 6:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And in every case, it nurtures and stutters under the weight of this unfamiliar stress. 6:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it stops. 6:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The man at the bottom of this story performed this ritual of satanic isolation, at least seven 7:03 [SPEAKER_02]: and with his hands, and each time he simply wiped those hands on the sides of his blue jeans and melted back into the crowd. 7:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes in broad daylight, in each case, returning to the general population calmly, smiling as if he had just taken out the trash. 7:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He went home to sleep with his wife and to raise his kids, to run his mid-sized trucking company, and to eat him restaurants beside people like you, to laugh with his buddies, and of course, to strangle a game. 7:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But this story is not about him, God forbid. 7:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It involves him, but it's not his story. 7:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Above all, this story is about his victims and the vulnerable women who make their living on the fringes of society, sometimes at the cost of their lives. 8:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's about the price of that life. 8:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hidden risks and payouts. 8:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It's in a logic and the inner worlds of the women who live it. 8:14 [SPEAKER_03]: It's also about the investigation of the murder of six specific women, at least some of them sex workers, who were found strangled and dumped along the interstate, before being dumped again by overwhelmed police departments, who lacked either the money or the interest to sufficiently investigate their deaths. 8:37 [SPEAKER_03]: why? 8:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Because they might be hookers, or strippers with rap sheets, because they were to quote throwaways. 8:47 [SPEAKER_03]: More on that later. 8:48 [SPEAKER_03]: A third part of this story is my own involvement in the case or rather in six related cases that had each gone cold. 8:58 [SPEAKER_03]: There were no known families, no social status, 9:06 [SPEAKER_03]: You might say that this part of the story is my story. 9:10 [SPEAKER_03]: As I grapple with my own stuff in my own life, and attempt to give these women back their names in some semblance of justice. 9:20 [SPEAKER_03]: But this story is not about Jerry Jarns because he doesn't deserve it. 9:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Earlier, we said he's at the bottom of this story or maybe more accurately in the gutter of the story. 9:35 [SPEAKER_03]: because he is resolutely, not at the center of it. 9:39 [SPEAKER_03]: He's one more dirt bag, who momentarily peaks our interest in the fairly generic way that serial killers tend to do. 9:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We wonder how a normal guy can lead a second life as a serial killer? 9:55 [SPEAKER_02]: What had to happen in his heart for him to become a pathological predator? 10:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Or why he would strangle a woman who just voluntarily gave him a blowjob? 10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day, these are questions that we can't pretend to answer. 10:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We have some ideas. 10:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I think some very good ideas. 10:14 [SPEAKER_02]: But this type of violence simply has no rational acquittal. 10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: We can explain it. 10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no making sense of it. 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not about to try. 10:24 [SPEAKER_02]: We're most interested in six bodies from the American Bible Belt, found along the interstate in Kentucky, West Virginia, and Tennessee. 10:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Between the months of February 13, 1983, and April the 14, 1985. 10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: We call them bodies because that's how they were treated. 10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: When they were recovered, all but one of these bodies was unidentified. 10:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the years that followed, they were treated less as people than bottom drawer oddities, without family or friends to drive their investigations forward. 11:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And even Lisa Ann Nichols, the one victim identified by police, might as well have been unidentified for as much interest as they had in her case, for as much respect they showed in her death. 11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk more about her in a moment. 11:18 [SPEAKER_02]: In the official case files, the names of the six victims were Jane Doe, Jane Doe, Lisa Nichols, Jane Doe, Jane Doe, and Jane Doe. 11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, when you have an unknown victim of a violent death, the investigation is something of a catch 22. 11:42 [SPEAKER_03]: You need to talk to friends and family in order to reconstruct the victim's final hours and identify suspects. 11:50 [SPEAKER_03]: But you can't have those conversations until you know who you should be talking to. 11:55 [SPEAKER_03]: People that know the victim can help you identify her, but you need to know her already and what are to find these people. 12:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And until you do either of these things, it's virtually impossible to take your investigation 12:13 [SPEAKER_03]: you need them to get to her and her to get to them. 12:18 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a tiny little knot of futile interdependence that is as maddening to investigators, as it is, nonsense are equal to here, which is all to say, the police are in a tough spot. 12:32 [SPEAKER_03]: They might find a receipt in a pocket, or a piece of jewelry, or a distinctive tattoo. 12:39 [SPEAKER_03]: But even then, as we will see, they have the problem of presenting this evidence to the handful of people who might recognize it, when you have no idea who they are. 12:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And the more advanced the decomp, the tighter this not becomes. 12:56 [SPEAKER_03]: The deeper you get into decomposition, the deeper you get into human biology. 13:02 [SPEAKER_03]: and the deeper you get into human biology, the more we're all the same. 13:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Two living people may be different in every observable way, but their skeletons are skeletons. 13:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Their viscera is viscera, and their window of distinctiveness simply narrows at each successive strata of the human organism and of biological decay. 13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The one thing you do have with every John or Jane Doe is some sense of location. 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Every victim is found somewhere. 13:40 [SPEAKER_02]: You may not know who, what, when, why, or how. 13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But whenever a body surface, you will always have a where. 13:50 [SPEAKER_02]: When you have a wear, you can put a pin in a map and work out from there. 13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You can look for witnesses, you can search the area, and you can begin your deductions. 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So whatever else you're missing in your Jane-Doh investigation, you at least have this sense of place, this tangible focal point that tells you something about them until you don't. 14:16 [SPEAKER_02]: In one sense, the worst possible place to find these bodies is along the interstate. 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been two minutes on a federal highway and you'll see a dozen states in the license place around you. 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Part of the beauty of these roads is our ability to reach any state in the lower 48 from any other in the span of a day or two. 14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: An unidentified body on the interstate is an investigative nightmare. 14:42 [SPEAKER_02]: A body in Texas could have hitchhiked in New Hampshire yesterday morning. 14:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Solving these kinds of mysteries is hard, which is why people love detective stories and quirky fictional savvants like Colombo and Monk and Sherlock Holmes, is a kind of poetry to it and a lot of luck. 15:02 [SPEAKER_02]: There's rarely a silver bullet in real cases. 15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You get the sense watching these shows that there's always one definitive piece of evidence lurking around the corner. 15:12 [SPEAKER_02]: On glitching two, conflicting testimonies, and the good to text if find it. 15:18 [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as they do, soothing, bombing, resolution descends and everyone in the room has a pretty good sense of exactly what happened. 15:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not how it works. 15:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's great TV. 15:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's also as a ductive fantasy. 15:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Even the best investigators fumble through their work. 15:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you're dealing with an unidentified victim, you're more or less working in the dark. 15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Grasping at straws and trying to know you know not what. 15:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So we want to give these detectives their due. 15:49 [SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to cases like these, their work is really hard. 15:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not interested in hounding well-meaning people who are just trying to do their jobs. 15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Law enforcement is always bound by all kinds of restrictions invisible to the rest of us. 16:04 [SPEAKER_02]: They have budget limitations, time limitations. 16:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They have legal limitations and arrests they'd love to make, but are prevented from making by the letter of the law. 16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And they have political pressure from above to serve those needs in the general public most likely to get their bosses re-elected. 16:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not bothered by the lack of success in these Jane Doe cases. 16:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Or even whatever incompetence may or may not have contributed to this. 16:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's no secret that not everyone is greater than their job. 16:35 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just part of life. 16:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're all guilty by some degree at a striking out in big moments. 16:43 [SPEAKER_03]: What bothered me most about these cases was something else. 16:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't that they weren't coming through. 16:49 [SPEAKER_03]: It was that they didn't appear to be trying. 16:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Granted, the odds were stacked against them, but they seemed more bothered by the rap sheets of their victims than by their brutal murders. 17:01 [SPEAKER_03]: They were more interested in delivering snappy one-liners, regarding these women's life choices, than they were bringing them justice. 17:11 [SPEAKER_03]: The term I heard again and again for this type of victim was throwaway, not from the media or the general population, but from long forcement personnel. 17:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I heard it from detectives when they compared one woman's drug problem to their car's gasoline problem, and joked about the length of her rap sheet in the same press conference that they were announcing her death. 17:37 [SPEAKER_03]: If you know anything of my story, you know how I feel about this, not because I haven't evolved conscious of some kind, and certainly not because I'm a better person than you, but simply because I myself, chain waters, am a throw away. 17:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I was a homeless man for years, but then again, that isn't strictly true. 17:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't a man, I was more of a kid, I was 16 years old, sleeping outdoors and on couches, have unsuspecting acquaintances, taking my meals and my friends where I could find them. 18:13 [SPEAKER_03]: A year later I had the good fortune of getting out, and of being loved and looked out for. 18:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I somehow graduated high school before enrolling in a local university in Indiana for degree in forensic science. 18:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I've since become a professional podcaster with a global audience of about 500,000. 18:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I speak at school events and a crime in podcast conventions across the country, but I'll always be a throwaway. 18:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I know about the cold nights, the loneliness, the strange feeling of being lost without anyone thinking to look for me. 18:54 [SPEAKER_03]: The way you think of yourself changes, the risks you're willing to take, the people you're willing to spend time with, the value you put on your life lessons, as it brings you more suffering, more alienation, and less potential for happiness than ever before. 19:11 [SPEAKER_03]: You start to wonder what you're hanging on for, and why you're delaying any pleasure, or any risk, in a life that is no longer worth protecting. 19:23 [SPEAKER_03]: You go places you shouldn't go, and you do things you shouldn't do, not because you are a bad person, but because you are in pain. 19:32 [SPEAKER_03]: You are being controlled from within by anxiety and hurt and fear, and all sorts of other things you never felt when people loved you, and you had a place to go. 19:43 [SPEAKER_03]: You're grappling with layers of human need. 19:46 [SPEAKER_03]: You never knew you had. 19:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the skin on your body is peeled back. 19:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And all of this understuff is exposed to the elements and it's just going to hurt. 19:58 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a reason we have skin, like there's a reason we have homes and community. 20:04 [SPEAKER_03]: It protects us and also packages us and keeps us viable for healthy human interaction. 20:12 [SPEAKER_03]: But when you're out of community, you enter a death spiral of self-fulfilling despair. 20:18 [SPEAKER_03]: You're controlled by the weather, your need of shelter, in your animal needs. 20:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Basic operations, like breakfast and basic functions, like going to the bathroom, become logistical feeds, that dominate your attention, and consume energy. 20:35 [SPEAKER_03]: You might have spent a more enduring, or a lovely or things. 20:40 [SPEAKER_03]: but it all just wears you down, erodes your sense of self, and I was so damn shy. 20:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I was always concerned that I'd be putting people out if I asked for help, that I'd be a burden on people in my life that I cared for. 20:55 [SPEAKER_03]: When all of your relationships become transactional, you start to die a little bit as a person. 21:03 [SPEAKER_03]: The given take of loving relationships throughout a person's soul is like the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide across the cell membranes of their body. 21:15 [SPEAKER_03]: We need this traffic, this inhalation and exhalation of care and affection to survive. 21:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Without it, those quiet, redeeming parts of our innermost selves begin to decompose. 21:30 [SPEAKER_03]: The parts of us that laugh easily, that love easily, in dream, humble, and leak out like ourselves with interstitual fluid. 21:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Before we know it, we don't recognize ourselves. 21:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Things have been taken from us, from within, as well as without. 21:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And just like that, and imperceptible degrees were lost. 21:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I was fortunate enough to be found again, and loved, and cared for. 22:04 [SPEAKER_03]: But I never laughed all of that behind. 22:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I no longer want to. 22:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I was ashamed of it at first, but it's become a significant part of who I am. 22:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's why I feel the solidarity that I do, with women like these, and why I was drawn to the story of the Redhead murders, the kind of flipping commentary I kept hearing from officials regarding these victims of violent crimes. 22:32 [SPEAKER_03]: made me nauseous. 22:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Reflecting on it now, I can pinpoint it. 22:37 [SPEAKER_03]: As the reason, I became a part-caster. 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: The following is an excerpt from an article in the Tennessee and Newspaper on June 26th of 1985. 22:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The body of a woman Metro Police say has the second longest prostitute record in Nashville has been identified as one of the eight red-head murder victims official said. 23:03 [SPEAKER_02]: The semi-nude and strangled body found last September the 16th on interstate 40 and entrance 23:17 [SPEAKER_02]: and Lisa Anne Fuller, police suggest today. 23:21 [SPEAKER_02]: She has the second largest prostitute record in Nashville and David Sunk County, said Sergeant Raymond Buchanan, a Metro Vice Squad officer. 23:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Her rap she stretches from the ceiling to the floor three times Buchanan said. 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Jarvis, whose nickname was Baby Dull, has been arrested on charges of prostitution, shoplifting, lastony, robbery, and drugs. 23:48 [SPEAKER_02]: She had a drug habit worse than my car as a gasoline habit he said. 23:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll always remember the way it felt to be cut off from life in the way that I was, and to be exiled as a teenage boy with no hope and no self-esteem. 24:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what I might have done to survive. 24:10 [SPEAKER_03]: or done for affection, or done for money under the rice circumstances. 24:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a six foot nine man, not a petite woman, and my options are limited. 24:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't pretend, like you can't pretend, that selling your body for money, and solving your unfathomable hurt with addiction, is something we can never begin to do. 24:32 [SPEAKER_03]: In this word throw away, it's not just a word, it's an atmosphere of indifference that begins to creep into the fabric of the investigation, in some cases, corrupts it entirely. 24:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I heard one detective described to me off the record. 24:51 [SPEAKER_03]: One cold case he had tried to revive without success, the victim had bruising around her neck, she had a broken collarbone, a broken cheekbone, and signs of restraint around her wrists and ankles. 25:04 [SPEAKER_03]: The official cause of death, suicide, 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: When it's a suicide, you don't have to investigate. 25:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to spend your resources and your manners. 25:16 [SPEAKER_02]: You've already found the killer and the killer is dead, so you can move on to the next person more worthy of your attention. 25:23 [SPEAKER_02]: When you bury Jane Doe in her anonymous grave, you can get back to serving the taxpayers on the respectable citizens who pay your salary. 25:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You can get back to the community that did not include her. 25:35 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, people with families and honourable students, and... ...the suburban middle-class good guys who kept her in business for so many years. 25:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you pack up her last effects and bury those two... ...in a cardboard box in the evidence room. 25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Her box can gather dust and prop up more interesting cases... ...that meet the political requirements of your supposedly a political job. 26:01 [SPEAKER_02]: As did the case of Lisa Ann Nichols, also known as Lisa Ann Jarvis, as her killer walked free. 26:08 [SPEAKER_02]: As of five years ago, Lisa was the only known victim of the Red Head murders who had been identified. 26:16 [SPEAKER_02]: After 34 years of investigation, 26:21 [SPEAKER_02]: To their credit, the TBI, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, had at that time included Jarvis's body and are list of those possibly involved in serial killings. 26:32 [SPEAKER_02]: This is from another article from the early 80s. 26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Authorities are not sure one person is responsible for the killings or how many victims there might be. 26:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Having what background we have at this point, she seems to be consistent with what we thought in the beginning, a transient type person, said Steve Watson, deputy director of TBI. 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Javs' identification was made Sunday by Walker, after he followed a lead to Fort Nordadale Florida last week. 27:04 [SPEAKER_02]: There, he said he interviewed an admitted Pimp and prostitute. 27:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He said they had lived with Javis in West Memphis for a short time, knowing her as Lisa Ann Nichols. 27:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The Pimp, who was in a Florida jail, 27:17 [SPEAKER_02]: told Walker he last saw Jarvis getting into a tractor trailer on September the 12th, 1984. 27:25 [SPEAKER_02]: A truck stop outside Shiraville said Walker. 27:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Authorities believe she was killed within 24 hours when she was last seen working the truck stop. 27:36 [SPEAKER_03]: But when I called the FBI for an update on their investigation, I was essentially told there wasn't one. 27:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Not just for Lisa, but for the Red Head murders altogether. 27:49 [SPEAKER_03]: When I called them back, they actually hung up on me. 27:54 [SPEAKER_03]: In that moment, more than just the phone clicked. 27:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I decided that if they weren't reopening their investigation, 28:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I would start my own. 28:04 [SPEAKER_03]: The victims among the so-called Redhead murdered sharing number of core characteristics beyond the fact that they all had were appear to have at the time of their deaths Red Hair. 28:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They were all found along in states in the Bible Belt and a pair to have been homeless, transient sex workers. 28:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Lisa at least often worked at truck stops, one of the roughest prostitutes in circus, and it's likely the other Jane Doe's did too. 28:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Because of this, in our next episode, we'll be looking into the world of truck stop prostitution and the lives of the so-called lot lizards that kept it running. 29:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't black our way Take me home
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