0:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I was at the hospital in Fort Wayne, earlier this week. 0:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You are? 0:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 0:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right. 0:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 0:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And let me tell you, Josh. 0:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that I'd bitch to you about this. 0:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It was early in the morning, as it always is when you have to go to the hospital. 0:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But I saw a sign that said that they had Starbucks. 0:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to know I went in there and over in the back first of all I had a little problem because it was like 10 30 they have nothing it's like in between breakfast and lunch they just had like little protein bars I was so disappointed because I was like I was cake pops yeah exactly but I was like you know why I don't even care because I just need coffee if I'm going to survive today. 0:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 0:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So I went to the back. 0:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I got this drip coffee with a Starbucks sticker on it. 0:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought, why is this bullshit Starbucks brand? 1:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Drip coffee. 1:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I got hotels. 1:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We've gone to a couple when we traveled. 1:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Where it'll have like a Starbucks sign. 1:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you get in and it is. 1:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the like the free hotel lobby coffee for Starbucks brand. 1:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what it was. 1:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I saw two different kinds. 1:17 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a medium motion or dark roast. 1:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you have been listening for a long time, you know that Shane does not do dark grass. 1:24 [SPEAKER_02]: No, and I don't like the flavor of coffee. 1:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I just like the way that it makes me feel like you. 1:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, so I was like, okay, I'll get the medium roast. 1:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And the medium roast was like, I don't know, it described us like chocolate or something. 1:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was okay, whatever, like a mocha, I don't know. 1:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So I get a large cup of it. 1:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I put four creams for sugar. 1:45 [SPEAKER_01]: not enough. 1:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't took a sip of it. 1:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I almost spit it back out because it was so strong. 1:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It reminded me of how grandma used to make coffee where you could almost chew it. 1:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Or she sometimes she even she would have to put like hot water in her cup. 1:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. 1:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, would have been really cold. 2:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my would have been really happy if she'd have been. 2:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she'd have loved it. 2:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So I poured a little bit of it out and then I put it like, 2:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you too, creamer and two more sugars, but that's conservative, but there was an old lady that worked there, so she walks over, and she, I guess, I think that she had been watching me do this, yeah, and so she came over and she's like, 2:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The coffee here. 2:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 2:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what they send us, but I don't tell you how like strong coffee with this stuff, but I'm hearing your chest. 2:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I know I walked in a five foot woman. 2:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's it, my spine. 2:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have loved to put it up in my mammogram now. 2:47 [SPEAKER_02]: No kidding, it was hard though. 2:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did, I got that done. 2:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I passed my test. 2:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good. 2:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I studied so hard for that sucker and I passed. 2:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They get him flat enough to get a good scan. 2:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Every stranger came saw she was practicing on it. 3:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you smash my boobs? 3:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If they did, it just doesn't feel good. 3:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to, I bet. 3:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Real good. 3:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You like getting your butt cheeks smashed. 3:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not too bad. 3:11 [SPEAKER_00]: the first one that they do, but the second one they do, they have to get your lymph nodes and stuff that's in your armpit. 3:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And that hurts because the machines like right in your armpit. 3:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to joke with it. 3:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, can we get my nipples last? 3:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you gone in for your annual annual exam? 3:28 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean not by the doctor. 3:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't allow you to do anymore. 3:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So we don't want you to come back. 3:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to give her a straight order once a month is too much. 3:42 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm a little nervous for that. 3:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Not because they'll find something just because like I don't want the doctor be like a slut. 3:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I usually don't go in so easy. 3:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you get your check? 3:54 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not a woman thing. 4:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we know she's a prostitute. 4:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We got our prostate. 4:05 [SPEAKER_02]: When I look at you, Kim, that first time I was like, prostate. 4:08 [SPEAKER_02]: She got a prostate. 4:09 [SPEAKER_02]: That's swollen. 4:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's prostate. 4:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She got a piece of a prostate swollen. 4:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one. 4:15 [SPEAKER_02]: She's all swollen. 4:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So, well, well. 4:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You're missing out no prostate orgasm, although you have a female orgasm so that's better. 4:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a postcard right there for you Josh. 4:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Some. 4:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I stopped at the. 4:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The mail box. 4:31 [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. 4:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome in. 4:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Mount Horib. 4:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Wisconsin. 4:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Horib. 4:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Wisconsin. 4:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome in. 4:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello. 4:38 [SPEAKER_01]: No mountain troll on it. 4:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, where it almost comes in the troll capital of the world. 4:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's cool. 4:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, gang, David and I are troll hunting in Iowa and Wisconsin. 4:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Check out the Mount Harib, trolls, and the Thomas Dambo trolls. 4:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. 4:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea that was there. 4:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not either. 4:58 [SPEAKER_01]: troll camping either. 4:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, love. 5:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Teresa. 5:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, they put the little, you know. 5:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the way I'm going. 5:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's all I'm going. 5:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to figure out what it said to him like it would. 5:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why she gave it to her. 5:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She's such a cute postcard. 5:12 [SPEAKER_00]: She's such a cute postcard. 5:13 [SPEAKER_00]: She's such a cute postcard. 5:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 5:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We had trolls here in America. 5:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were European. 5:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty cool. 5:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were all related to Queen Mary Scott's. 5:23 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 5:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I do have something else, and I have been given very strict directions for it. 5:31 [SPEAKER_02]: No means no, Kim. 5:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe just a little. 5:36 [SPEAKER_02]: How many times? 5:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm such a good person. 5:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if it's better on it, I'm such a given. 5:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So we have a box. 5:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh god. 5:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, they're road on it. 5:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That reminds me of like thousands. 5:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you see what it was just driving? 5:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Opening this package waves your right to complain but only open if you're ready for laughs and disappointment does not contain math. 6:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Mothman, but 6:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that was that also your what you said when you got married was that your marriage found in the toary. 6:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't be disappointed read first. 6:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Lord. 6:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm nervous. 6:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Dear Shane and Josh in Kim, I guess. 6:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Greetings from the outside world. 6:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I figured the haunted bunker could use a little care package, so I put together a few things that immediately made me think of you too. 6:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't ruin the surprises, but I'll leave a few hints. 6:39 [SPEAKER_01]: One item might help solve a mystery that's been debated for decades. 6:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Then again, it'll probably just confirm that everything's strange in the sky is a weather balloon. 6:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Right? 6:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Another gift celebrates a certain group of four legendary ladies. 6:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say they may not be quite as lively as you remember them, or maybe they're too lively now. 7:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Nervous, something about the golden girls. 7:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it their action? 7:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see my, I did. 7:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's cute. 7:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw it. 7:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, have you had that or is it? 7:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was like, I had a call. 7:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I hide it, so Josh doesn't steal it. 7:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got so many. 7:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a throw away cup. 7:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was around our space. 7:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, just the old, not like good ones, but like old. 7:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the Christmas gift one. 7:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 7:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 7:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Precisely. 7:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And finally, there's one more surprise that specifically for you, Shane. 7:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If you've ever needed a reliable companion during those long investigations, you'll know exactly what it is when you open the box. 7:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you both get a laugh out of everything, keep searching for the unexplained, keep asking questions. 7:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you happen to find something that isn't on the chart, maybe don't tell the government before you tell the rest of us. 7:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Stay spooky, Trevor. 7:52 [SPEAKER_01]: PS, if anyone asks, it was definitely a weather balloon. 7:59 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 7:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So do 3D print us some goodies for us to give you yours first, but you can't open yours first. 8:06 [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds like it. 8:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see all of the Lord of the Ring stuff he's been 3D printing, Trevor. 8:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We're cool. 8:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the rest of the box belongs to Josh. 8:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Then, then, then, then, so I was the first. 8:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you're supposed to do yours first. 8:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh. 8:29 [SPEAKER_01]: charts. 8:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll let this on the wall. 8:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's. 8:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Mark. 8:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Robert Kim. 8:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello. 8:37 [SPEAKER_01]: How about Kim? 8:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Shane and Josh aircraft identification chart. 8:42 [SPEAKER_01]: All of them say whether balloon or more. 8:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fun. 8:45 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun. 8:45 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun. 8:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun. 8:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun. 8:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun. 8:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fun. 8:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That is funny, watch for that up again. 8:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't see, gosh. 8:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Could it be 3D printed gold girls, something? 9:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Guess it. 9:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, they're like, they're like Greek-esque statues of the gold girls, but as zombies or like skeletons. 9:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're delicious. 9:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 9:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh. 9:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There's such a pretty like iridescent pearl collar. 9:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh. 9:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are awesome. 9:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That was cool. 9:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are going right up in my hutch, or maybe here, or running out of space. 9:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Kim, you're going to have some on the floor. 9:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Got to put a hutch there. 9:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Trevor. 9:42 [SPEAKER_01]: These are awesome. 9:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to show you some scissors. 9:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Never even thought about zombie golden girls. 9:57 [SPEAKER_02]: you know what he's saying. 9:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember what he told me if he even told me Trevor you are dead. 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: To me dead to me dead dead. 10:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So though there's show them class 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's so nice. 10:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I know what he knows about him. 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that they look for condolition? 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at that little vibe. 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And he feels so good. 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I told him I said, you know what, I don't even know what that was. 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, I know. 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That whole hilarious. 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That was good. 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You know Trevor, only one of us here in this group is good in tech savvy. 10:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a feeling that if I blocked you, these two would make a figure out how to unblock you. 10:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You know how I know that? 10:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Because anytime there's a technical question, Kim will screenshot it and then send it to us and then we don't answer. 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So then the next time I see her, she'll say, hey, I need you to help me fix this. 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that the Blanche one is still the one only one that has like a nose and stuff. 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: She still do it. 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep it up even as is all the. 11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the threat really. 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: She got the eyes. 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They're so pretty. 11:17 [SPEAKER_02]: This thing has seven grams of fiber. 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Just one won't hurt you. 11:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's 26% of your daily value one wouldn't hurt you. 11:30 [SPEAKER_02]: What, won't you have all five of these kids? 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to eat all five, I won't tell you. 11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a long drive home. 11:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, would be a long drive home. 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know it would be tomorrow. 11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So you guys know how I live out in the ghetto? 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't live in the ghetto. 11:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You live in the booties. 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 11:44 [SPEAKER_02]: With one neighbor. 11:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So, camera rives here today. 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gee. 11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Neighbor comes over. 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: We get to chat and there's a gorilla. 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a pull up in your mouth. 11:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so she's telling us that the police showed up a little while ago. 11:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And they said that someone called the police because on the corner down by us, someone saw a white minivan and someone were shooting out of it. 12:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So the police was like, how did you hear anything? 12:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know who the mini van belongs to and, you know, cam drives a white SUV that looks like a mini van? 12:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, I hope the police come while we're recording today because I will totally say, I don't know this woman. 12:27 [SPEAKER_02]: She showed up here with a gun. 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's held in this hostage in the basement. 12:32 [SPEAKER_02]: She's forcing us to be here today officer, but then while I was talking to her, I was wearing this shirt that says, I'm only here for now and I'm like, and I was like, I'm not on your door, not mine. 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, what are you doing today? 12:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The police did come here. 12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was last week. 12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was at night. 12:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It was dark out and I was on the two dark side barking. 12:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what the crap you're barking at, and I saw there was lights outside in the sheriff comes to the door. 12:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It was the sheriff. 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, well, not the sheriff, someone from the sheriff department, and he's like, I'm looking for so and so, and I was like, yes, sometimes we get mail for them. 13:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I assume that several years ago, they may have lived here when the old house was on a property for us to rundown. 13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, there's just something about like, when you're talking to a police officer, you're like trying to overly, you know, because if you've ever seen cops, they're always like, on it and do it that person doesn't live here. 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who that is. 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who. 13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And what was I telling the police? 13:31 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not me. 13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That person doesn't live here. 13:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who that is. 13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They're probably the reason that they tore that one house down. 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But maybe I was like, you can come in and check. 13:40 [SPEAKER_02]: just me in the dark. 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want the cops in your house without a warrant. 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm crazy. 13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew he wasn't going to come in and check. 13:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He was. 13:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to ask him to grab a mop or something. 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I pay my dex. 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a mower. 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We need him. 13:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see my little new mower? 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I did. 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I started. 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Boys and their toys. 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm telling you what. 14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, mine fit in a drawer. 14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: No, my toys. 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Pry cheaper, too. 14:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's bigger than what I thought it was going to be. 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Same. 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Got to watch out when you order from your phone because they look real small. 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: When they say horse, they mount horse. 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You open that package and that latino on cut toy you bought. 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like. 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: four times the size of what it looked like on your phone. 14:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, this is this is now a conversation star. 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what that is. 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: One guy one time opened the door and he's like, can we use that? 14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, hell, no, that was a mistake. 14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But I throw it in wake as a bait for it. 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought about getting a bronze and putting it in the living room. 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see in the living space when he opened it. 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bigger than my forearm and wider than my wrist. 14:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I've seen one of those when I was at that truck stop. 14:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, sex, sex started a truck many years ago. 15:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going across the country with some friends and we walked in. 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: They had like a donkey one, pig one. 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is a Latino man. 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So I forget Louise or something. 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever's name was on the package. 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was, it was. 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was like a. I like ones that are like modeled after men that I watch in videos because it's like, 15:22 [SPEAKER_02]: feel what they feel like, but they must have had a larger version because this is so cool. 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I can't throw it away because it was like 40 something bucks. 15:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Good, no, well, I'm literally think about gold leafing it and putting it in decoration. 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, conversation starter. 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be hilarious because as soon as you walk in, you're going to see a big old gold dick. 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like, what's the story with that? 15:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello Pastor Steve. 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: conversation starter. 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm really, I want to get or make, like erotic art, but not like vulgar stuff, like I really love the male nude, like not like full, you know, twig and berries, but like the curve of the back, getting, you know, the art of painted muscle and stuff, on one of those gays. 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like David? 16:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I guess. 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm I've been seeing someone like I could paint these I would make it more well endowed than David. 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, duh, duh, down to his knees. 16:32 [SPEAKER_00]: David. 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'll take David, but how I want David to be. 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: His ankles are bruised. 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Lower ridiculous. 16:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, have a great decade. 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dogs. 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no. 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I hear the dogs. 16:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no. 16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I hear the dog. 16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no. 16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I hear the dog. 16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no. 16:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I hear the dog. 16:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 16:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 16:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 16:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I hear the dog. 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, finally. 17:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, when you spoil them. 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 17:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So they'll only drink water. 17:23 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a month ago. 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: For a day. 17:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have to dump out their water bowl. 17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's not water flat. 17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, otherwise those are like, keep coming over to you. 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh, they're the dead. 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You made a spike, only drinking out of it. 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that's a point. 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought too. 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, well, I just don't have an ice in it. 17:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't remember. 17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, they do that with boon. 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It boon loves ice. 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he goes out to go to the bathroom, he expects at least four or five ice cubes. 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: See, I've never had an ice machine. 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So Annie has no idea what ice really is. 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I used to put it in water for my other dogs when I had them when it was really hot out, but I never have for Ziggy My girls like eyes, but I just thought on the floor, I don't put them in the water because I don't That's what they do with this Our grandma used to put it in a cup in her dog, where I don't really have a drink from it 18:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Drink normal water on the floor. 18:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's dog. 18:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at his dog was that. 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: True, right. 18:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Chihuahua. 18:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Makes us fake. 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It's on the record. 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The one that I seen was it. 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a little bit of a long time ago. 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, long time ago. 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Him and I, we had such a weird relationship. 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We did not get along as kids, but when I got into high school, we became like, good buddies. 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd go sit on grandma's bed and he'd come up and put his head on my head, like that. 18:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, I'm tired, I know. 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's been a day? 18:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, when it gets about nine o'clock, almost to the nose, Betty will become the biggest bee. 18:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, she is just like, put me in it almost to the point to where I feel like she hallucinates. 19:06 [SPEAKER_02]: She'll start like, give it all, jump, be like, see something, and then all of a sudden I'm like, is there a spider or what the crap are you doing? 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They start nodding off. 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my mom's dog, he sleeps in his kennel at night. 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So in the late evening or whatever, he'll bark at mom because he wants to go to bed and she'll have to take him in and let him get in his bed and then pretend like she's locking the door. 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't really do it and then he'll lay there and he'll go to sleep for an hour or so and then he wants back up and he'll bark and she has to come in and pretend like she's unlocking the door and letting him out. 19:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That's ridiculous. 19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Sleeps in her kennel, and she wants you to make her sleep in her kennel, but she wants to go to her kennel. 19:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So you'll be like, come on, but come on, and then like, sometimes she'll run to it, but then she'll stop, and then she'll look at you. 20:00 [SPEAKER_02]: She'll be like, force me into it, and I'm like, go into it. 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: What God's dang it used, it's still at all. 20:08 [SPEAKER_02]: She was farting yesterday and I'm telling you what. 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Boom, Emily's dog has them. 20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: She's farting. 20:14 [SPEAKER_02]: She farted and then she looked back at me. 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he has grown man farts, but of course, he's over a hundred pounds. 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like Chihuahua, like me eating grown man farts. 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm like, oh, what are we in? 20:30 [SPEAKER_00]: What we doing something at all here are farting. 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, was that you? 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: She says no mom. 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It was boon. 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you guys feed him food? 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Like real food? 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they feed him? 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Or the blue buffalo? 20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he gets the same kind of Ziggy gets Ims. 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did that on purpose, in case they weren't my house and boom, that end is against fear. 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, diarrhea. 20:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's hardest word to spell. 20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I always have to look at that. 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you got any from lettuce? 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: No, knock on wood. 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I had neither, but thankfully, I went to the C.A. 21:04 [SPEAKER_02]: movie with Kim and her daughter Emily and I'm telling you what, we got to text her to her house for lunch and I really wore the salad. 21:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, well, I got some going to risk it because you saw the, like, the Taco Bells here in Indiana is where they found it. 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, man, but Taco Bell gets their lettuce from like the same people Walmart did and whole food. 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Which I read that today that like, it's all coming from the same place. 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a place of like charges. 21:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a place in Mexico. 21:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 21:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But in the crazy that this always happens to like lettuce. 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you pay attention to that. 21:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the one. 21:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't happen to check in nuggets. 21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They happen to french fries. 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a french fry call. 21:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this spray a lot of crap on it to make it. 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why you guys sing that. 21:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe. 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it just. 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a normal. 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: My own lettuce. 21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It ain't hard. 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It grows quick. 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You can harvest it multiple times a summer. 22:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know the library in North me and tries to that there's a little library there. 22:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But they had gotten a grain of something. 22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So they grow lettuce from this thing inside. 22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's bad to do it because the only reason I probably the reason I don't grow is it's hard to keep bugs off of it and I'm like, I'll go through each leaf and I can't eat a leaf if it's kind of like a tool and like where it's been eaten by a bug. 22:23 [SPEAKER_02]: That was all I kind of bug ate that. 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't want an animal salad. 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, you can run into that with store-bott. 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Go for it. 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You can. 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You can also get diarrhea at last a month from store-bott. 22:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I'll eat a vocal. 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: All right? 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 22:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather get the pre-made salad mix than... 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten my cherry tomatoes, are about six feet tall both parrots. 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I hated your fruit some of those. 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't. 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I've so far I've got like 10, and I brought it to a lady to work. 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause mom's been gone. 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, well, there ain't nobody here to eat the use of the line. 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I just like, grown them. 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also got peppers that have harvested like two peppers so far. 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, then cucumbers. 23:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't really eat cucumbers. 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like to burp. 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I love cucumbers. 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that. 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They give me like heartburns. 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like cucumbers by themselves. 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like them. 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I love them. 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I love them. 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I love them. 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I love them. 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the taste good. 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I love them. 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: heartburn and burping, it's not worth it. 23:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh, did you watch the Fox Hall of Form? 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't. 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The fall like one? 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Hulu. 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't have Hulu. 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I have Netflix. 23:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Really? 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you watched the first one when we talked about the first one. 23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Nope. 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be doing. 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess we're going to talk about the second one. 23:42 [SPEAKER_02]: We are, but I thought we could summarize the first one real quick. 23:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's probably. 23:45 [SPEAKER_02]: If I find it, my notes. 23:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Kim, you watched the full second one, though, didn't you? 23:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think I've watched it like three times. 23:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you an expert? 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not say I'm an expert now. 23:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not this. 24:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not. 24:00 [SPEAKER_00]: No, considering that it was like 130, but it was about one o'clock when I finished the last night. 24:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So, like the last 30 minutes, I was like. 24:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you need to rewatch it because there was a part. 24:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard for me to sit straight through a documentary, so I tend to get up and do stuff. 24:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And there was something like, I don't know, I was putting together something and it took too much of my attention. 24:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So there were just parts of the that I missed. 24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched the the very last 20 minutes. 24:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was a little confused. 24:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I feel like something happened and I don't know what it is. 24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you you that you definitely did. 24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you see about the blue car? 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's what you missed. 24:42 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I wrote that. 24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell you about it when we get there. 24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, why don't you just tell me. 24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you just walk? 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to tell you the end of it. 24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do the whole thing. 24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, 24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Herbert Richard Baumeister and they called him herb or something herb herb, which I'm telling you if my name is Herbert don't call me herb. 25:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, there's just something weird about that name. 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't date a man named Herbert. 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a name he can moan. 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Herbert. 25:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you do think it seems like a nerd named me. 25:12 [SPEAKER_02]: A 25:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, her was born on April 7, 1947 in Indianapolis. 25:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He was the oldest of four children of a doctor, a psychiatrist diagnosed him in high school with paranoid schizophrenia and anti-social personality disorder. 25:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And he received no sustained treatment. 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: How did they never said anything like that in documentary? 25:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know. 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know anything about that. 25:43 [SPEAKER_02]: What was that one anti-personal social what anti-social personality? 25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I got a touch of that. 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I got a touch of it. 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But anti-ism, but he had received no sustained treatment in May 1770 and 1770. 26:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Man he's real all right in May 1972 his father committed him to a psychiatric hospital for two months He ended up marrying Juliana or Julie as she went by satir in November of 1971 and they raised three children I'll just hire a bit her been Julie. 26:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah 26:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He worked at the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles, the B&B, from 1974 to 1985, rising to program director before being fired after urinating on a letter addressed to the governor. 26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: That's hilarious, that he has been diagnosed with anti-social bloodblog and works with the DB. 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That checks out. 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That must be a requirement. 26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It works very well. 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not the friendly ones. 26:50 [SPEAKER_02]: In 1988, he opened the first Save a Lot thrift store with $4,000 that he borrowed from his mother. 26:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And for a while, the Baumeister's looked like a success story. 27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys remember Save a Lot, don't you? 27:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He lived in a big tutor-style house on 18-witted acres off of 156th Street in Westfield with an indoor pool. 27:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Investigators later described that pool room as decorated with posed mannequins, which bow myster reportedly told people that they kept him company. 27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: By 1993, the stores were failing, and the years of his suspected killing spree tracked the years his life started coming apart. 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Two details that matter later is that Julia said the couple have been intimate only about six times and more than 25 years of marriage, and by most retellings, the family spent long stretches away at their lake condominium while herb stayed home. 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever herb bow myster was, he built a life with rooms nobody else entered. 28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Between 1993 and 1995, men kept disappearing from the Indianapolis gay bar scene. 28:10 [SPEAKER_02]: The 501 tavern, the varsity lounge, and the metro. 28:15 [SPEAKER_02]: These are the men identified so far with the dates they were last seen. 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's also one called our place that they frequent. 28:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Bayer, 20 years old, Jeffrey Allen Jones 31, reported last scene May 28, 1993. 28:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Jeffrey Allen Jones, he was 31, he was reported missing in the summer of 93 in August to be specific Richard Douglas Hamilton Jr. he was 20, reported missing 28:50 [SPEAKER_02]: July 31st, 1993, manual, resent us, 34. 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And well, maybe. 28:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Minwell, August 6th, 1993, Alan Lee Livingston, 27, August 6th, 1993, Stephen Hale. 29:11 [SPEAKER_02]: He was between 26 to 28, and he would never tell nobody the right. 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That's another girl. 29:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He was last seen April 1st in 1994. 29:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Alan Wayne Brossard, her Brossard, 28 last seen June 6th, 1994. 29:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Roger Allen Goodlut, 33, July 22nd, 94. 29:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Michael Frederick Kern, mid-40s, March 31st, 1995. 29:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Daniel Thomas, Haloron, born 1972, the timeline is a little unclear, but his daughter says that he was lost seeing some time in 93. 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So those are the names of people that we know disappeared and people kind of linked back to him. 30:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So the full story starts in August of 1984, a man meets someone calling himself Brian Smart at a downtown Indianapolis gay bar, and he goes home with him to a sprawling estate. 30:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He later tells police that the man choked him with a pool hose during what he described as an erotic, asphyxiation encountered by the indoor pool. 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: No, thank you. 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 30:30 [SPEAKER_02]: but he did escape, and that his friend, Roger Dutlet, vanished after being seen with this same man. 30:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But he cannot tell investigators where the house is, so the report just set there. 30:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That witness was called Tony Harris for decades, so not his own name. 30:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We now know him as Mark Goodyear. 30:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is important. 30:56 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the account that he originally told as it was, but he has since changed it. 31:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll go through in a little bit what his change was. 31:09 [SPEAKER_02]: In November 1994, so a couple months later, the Baumeister's 13-year-old son finds a human skull in the woods behind the house. 31:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Herb tells Julie, it came from his late father's skeleton. 31:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't that it came from his late father. 31:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It's that his father was a doctor and that he had, like one of those, you know, you know, one of those real. 31:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or it could have been a real one back then. 31:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Doctors had like donated skeletons. 31:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 31:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So she's just accepted that explanation, y'all, okay? 31:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I thought that was interesting because first of all, let's say that's true, why on the crap would it be outside? 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if we had this skeleton, it'd be like in a box or in the trash. 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like why is it out in the woods? 32:03 [SPEAKER_02]: That didn't make sense to me, but all right. 32:07 [SPEAKER_02]: In mid-1995, Good Year spots Brian Smart, again at a bar, and his friends follow him out to the out-to-record his license plate. 32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Indianapolis missing persons detective Mary Wilson traces it. 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Brian Smart comes back to Herbert Baumister, a fox hollow farm westfield. 32:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Wilson had been working the missing men cases for two years. 32:36 [SPEAKER_02]: In November of 95, Detective Wilson confronts Baumeister in person, specifically on November 1st, at one of his own save-a-lot stores, please ask to search the Fox Hollow Farm. 32:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Herb and Julie both refuse and his lawyer shuts the door. 32:55 [SPEAKER_02]: without a warrant, the investigation stalls at the property line for months while the missing posters all stayed up. 33:02 [SPEAKER_02]: In January of 96, Julie files for divorce, which I mean, we're talking just a couple months later. 33:09 [SPEAKER_02]: June 24th of 96, 33:12 [SPEAKER_02]: With Herb away, Julie's attorney contacts Detective Wilson and Julie consents to a search the same day. 33:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Investigators find teeth and human bones in the woods with an hours of a search. 33:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So a judge signs a search warrant by 10pm that night. 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The next day, June 25th through July of 96, they did a full excavation, led in part by the University of Indianapolis forensic anthropologists. 33:42 [SPEAKER_02]: They recover approximately 10,000 chart and decomposed human bones and bone fragments. 33:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Many burned in a pit area, along with remnants of hinged handcuffs and shotgun shells, analysis indicates at least 11 people and investigators come to believe at least 25 men died there. 34:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Around June 30th, 96, Bowmeister learns that his arrest is coming, so he flees to Ontario, Canada, which is what innocent people do, July 3rd of 96. 34:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He dies by suicide, a gunshot by a 357 magnum, a pineery, provinational park, which is on 34:35 [SPEAKER_02]: talks about his failing marriage and failing businesses, in purve reporting on the FBI records, he apologizes for spoiling the park's scenery, as has nothing about the victims, not a single word. 34:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Between 1996 and 1988, eight men are identified from the remains, four by that September, four more by 98, all through DNA. 35:02 [SPEAKER_02]: April 28, 1998, investigators announced Balmyster is also the prime suspect in the I-70 string lower murders. 35:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Then Hamilton County closes the case. 35:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Sheriff James Bradbury's line was her balmyster is the only suspect we have in any of them. 35:24 [SPEAKER_02]: No charges were ever filed against anyone. 35:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The remaining bones go into boxes at the University of Indianapolis and they set there for roughly 26 years. 35:43 [SPEAKER_02]: in total at least 25 men are believed to be among those 10,000 fragments. 35:50 [SPEAKER_02]: 10 distinct men have been named, so they were able to pull some DNA. 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: 8 in the 90s, plus Alan Livingston in 23, and then Daniel Halleron in 2025. 36:04 [SPEAKER_02]: The coroner's office counted its 11th victim's set of remains in November of last year in 25, because there were some identifications that confirmed additional remains of men already named. 36:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Roughly, there's 9,500 fragments that are still untested as of early this year, the office now processes up to 30 remains per quarter. 36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: 175 remains have been submitted so far. 36:39 [SPEAKER_02]: DNA profiles from about three quarters of those have been tested. 36:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And two of the original eight 1990s identifications are still awaiting modern DNA confirmation. 36:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So what that tells us, it is very expensive if you try to test for DNA and so you have 10,000 bones and bone fragments and so they know that they're mixed up, right? 37:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're going to test 10th, I mean you're talking about millions and millions and millions of dollars and I mean that would deplete their entire budget if they even have that for a year. 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But I can't remember what was the corner or if it was the investigator, the guy that's doing the investigation now. 37:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm pretty sure it was him. 37:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They said that they have absolutely no idea how many victims that he had and that if they were to guess that it would be beyond Domar and Gacy. 37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Who I bet? 37:40 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing that's like they're only finding these and like his wooded area. 37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you know, like, that's a lot of acres of land. 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, it's crazy. 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They searched two different parts of it. 37:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So tell me about the second documentary, Kim, what did you get from it? 38:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what's the GIF of it? 38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to look it up. 38:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You can just ask what you know. 38:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I have my notebook. 38:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I got notes. 38:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, notes. 38:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Mark Goodgear is a very interesting person. 38:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's very, very interesting. 38:12 [SPEAKER_02]: In the first one, I was like, 38:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that I trust him now if he's just very flaky fishy wishy washy and then of course he has lines several times and then there's moments where the producers and the director is like how do we know your time is truth and he's like 38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he's just a weird, weird person. 38:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I really think that I don't. 38:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So in the second one, they're basically trying to decide whether he had an accomplice or not. 38:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the way that the first one said, 38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the first one ended it and it made you think it was because he was going through the house and there was like He's pointing out all these things and then he would say something like yeah, he kept me in this room for a long time locked up, but then in another room they locked They walked in and he's like, oh, yeah, that's where he kept the gun and this is where he killed someone and I was like, 39:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Get your stuff together. 39:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like how do you look on this doesn't make me sense. 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so in the like the very beginning of it, then they decided that there is another suspect, but at the beginning of it, it was really cool because they show, they show scenes. 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna knock you out. 39:32 [SPEAKER_02]: If you think that you can take this game, come on over that table and get you something else. 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a knife ridiculous, you're ridiculous. 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the beginning of it was really cool because I might need that, keep it out. 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they used footage of when they spoke in Denver at CrimeCon. 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So they were was footage of CrimeCon there. 39:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So I kept, look, because I was in that one. 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you were in that one. 40:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sitting there going, man, you know how I used to you were in there. 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I see myself. 40:05 [SPEAKER_02]: because I smelled human detention. 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my gosh, my TV got that new for D. I thought that was really cool that they had I was looking for you though. 40:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I was looking for you. 40:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I was looking for you. 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I kept looking for myself too. 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So the original journalist back in 96 that done the first story on him, she got real interested back into the case after the first documentary. 40:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So she decided she was going to start looking at stuff again. 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: and she done what are those called the Freedom of Information Act. 40:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 40:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So she could get the all of the paperwork and stuff on the case. 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And the first thing that she would notice and she thought that she thought was really weird was they had a tape of the Oprah Winfrey show in that box with all of his evidence and stuff. 40:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whoa, whoa, Pera. 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, on Oprah. 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who? 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You got your car. 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You got your car. 41:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So everybody, you got your car. 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Julie, Balmester's wife, went on Oprah's show. 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did she. 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So she's a very watchist. 41:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember none of this to have her tone. 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to have to watch for the first time. 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So Oprah flat out asked her if she thought her husband was guilty, her response was really interesting to me. 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: She said, I don't think I have the answers yet. 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel that all the evidence hasn't been discovered. 41:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of makes you think that she might have known what was going on. 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So weird, I was just talking about gay serial killers that worked today. 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And with the ladies I work with, I was like, you know, you think straight man would mess with this less with how many gay serial killers they're have been and just the messed up things they do to their victims. 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't just kill them, they either eat them, turn them into decorations like a lamp shade or you know it's I'm like wow we're a clown outfit right or they're making dress lamp shade But the thing is I feel like I feel like gay men serial killers, they kill their own kind right oh yeah 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Or, and that's, I was honestly shocked when you were talking about the first one, how, especially in the 90s still, I mean, that's just at the tail end of the AIDS crisis. 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised, like the police even put any effort into anything that was gay men missing. 42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 42:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a surprise. 42:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I thought it was really interesting that she just kind of ordered it that way. 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Really kind of makes you think that maybe she knew. 42:44 [SPEAKER_02]: unheard of for married couples to like know that you're married to a man and he is there. 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they, if they only had sex six times in 25 years, you would think that she would know that something's not right. 42:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and you know, maybe there's had an agreement. 43:01 [SPEAKER_02]: They both weren't kids and they're like, well, that was very common back then. 43:04 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll go to the lake. 43:05 [SPEAKER_02]: The hell, Kim, if you've ever found to a gay man, he's like, hey, 43:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll get you a lake house. 43:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We get married. 43:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We save on taxes. 43:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You be like, okay. 43:14 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing? 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially back then. 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, men still had more control over women. 43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a safe bet for a woman. 43:24 [SPEAKER_01]: She can get married. 43:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Have security. 43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Have a husband. 43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Have children. 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's not going to get assaulted by her husband or, you know, and 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing she might run into is he might want to decorate. 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he won't throw him from his hand. 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to say though, they had really good odds. 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: If they only had sex six times and they had three children, they had really good odds. 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like if I'm doing this as little as possible, we're getting it. 43:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Laura, that journalist, she started going through the papers and she started noticing that she was seeing the same man's name over and over again, his name is Thomas Ackerman and he had actually reported one of the men that was missing. 44:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh, I'm curious if you if you start watching it, watch the first one, just because since you live the gay lifestyle, I'm curious what you think of for me. 44:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you were talking about the first one, it made me like flashback to the the creepiest man I've ever been with. 44:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a doctor who lived in Anderson and he had a very nice 44:39 [SPEAKER_01]: odd man just a little too like I don't know just creepy in a way and like not like he bgb's but just like like even the way he kissed he did like little packs like on your forehead and you're and I'm like honey I'm just here to hook up you know like kissing me on the forehead like kept doing like 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, his name kept coming up in reports. 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: They did interview people that knew Akerman and they said that he was a really odd person. 45:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And some of those people had been in his house and said that there was a... 45:25 [SPEAKER_00]: set of clothing laying on his bed, they he said belonged to Richard Hamilton, which is the person that he had reported missing. 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of looked like, you know, they had a romantic relationship or whatever and when he died, it just kind of threw him over the edge. 45:44 [SPEAKER_00]: they were able to identify Richard through his daughter's DNA, so when they realized who he was, his parents were gone, he had a sibling that was gone, they didn't know that they would be able to find anybody. 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: There was, you know, related him to be able to check to make sure that's who it was. 46:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they ended up finding out that he had a daughter and his daughter was a year and a half when he went missing. 46:09 [SPEAKER_00]: and she said the last thing that somebody had told her that he did for her was the night before or that same night that he went missing. 46:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He dropped off milk in diapers and left him on their front porch and he left and was never seen after that. 46:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So the coroner found out that he had a daughter, he found out her name and was able to find her and that's how they were actually identified Richard was through his daughter. 46:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I can't remember where she lived like Virginia or somewhere I think. 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So a year after that happened, they actually stopped acrimon on a driving violation and in the trunk they found a shovel 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: and a couple blankets, and they also found Dr. paraphernalia and maps to state parks. 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So they said that they were able to get a search warrant for his house because they thought maybe it was looking like he was the one that was doing these things. 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And they went in and searched just house and they confiscated his computer and some other devices. 47:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But they never really said if they found anything on them or anything. 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So after that, so Roger Allen Goodlet and John Schilders and Mark Goodier, they hung out in those gay bars in the 90s. 47:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And July of 94, Goodlet went missing. 47:40 [SPEAKER_00]: During the investigation, they found out that Schilders was probably the last person to see him alive. 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He had an interview with the police, and he said, Goodlet got into a powder blue impala. 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He was asked to describe who was driving. 47:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He said it was a white male between the ages of 40 and 50 balding in the back of his head. 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It was at night the only way he could kind of describe how the driver looked was when he opened the door at the dome light. 48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He looked at it, so he was able to kind of see who it was. 48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, those descriptions did not go with Balmyster at all. 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He was younger and had a full head of dark hair, so it couldn't have been him, but it does match acrimon. 48:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So at that point, they thought maybe they were in Kahuts together, but they were working things together. 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be, I mean, move in a body by yourself and the wood seems like you know that's true. 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but there was a, there's a lot of it in there that they would talk about different ones that they've identified. 48:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, they said, you know, that they think that he might have more victims than Domar and Gacy, which I thought was really interesting. 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not rush or how many they had off the top of my head. 49:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to look it up. 49:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was a lot. 49:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So, did you feel like there was, like, did you leave the second one thinking that there was more, but people who helped him? 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it was one of the other, I really think it was Akraman was helping him because so when good year start, he was supposed to be an interviewed for the second one. 49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They had it all set up and at the end, he never showed up. 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He just didn't show up. 49:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they did tell that in the beginning of it. 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: the reporter because she had watched part of it. 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the very first, in the first, I can't remember if it was the first episode of the last season. 49:47 [SPEAKER_02]: One of them they showed like footage, extra footage, that they didn't include in the first one. 49:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, they did. 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And 49:58 [SPEAKER_00]: the producer asked him on that in that first episodes, why he decided to talk now. 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And he basically said because he was comfortable in talking now. 50:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, acrimon died like six months before that happened. 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So they think that he was keeping his mouth shut all less time until acrimon died because that's who he was scared of. 50:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So it really made it think, you know, that they were all in three of them. 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, yeah, and I think he knows, he seems to know a lot more than what. 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was very, I think he has something to do with it. 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that he was involved in the actual killing part, but maybe he was involved in finding them guys. 50:44 [SPEAKER_02]: To do that too, but my thing is like herb has a diagnosed like anti people of social disorder, right? 50:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't imagine you're going to a gay club to find somebody and like they're like, oh yeah, this seems my type. 51:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me go home with him, whereas like if, you know, if he's the killer or whatever, but he talks to his two buddies who are more outgoing. 51:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, it's so much easier to overpower one person if you're two or three. 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I just can't see him killing all those people. 51:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And his property was here. 51:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Just lots of acres. 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't see him killing the tree line. 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I just can't see him killing a bunch of people and then himself dragging them. 51:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be really hard to do. 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and clean up after it and everything. 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, cut them up and move them piece by piece. 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm telling you, cutting people up is dirty. 51:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're getting it everywhere. 51:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And it, you know, why I think it's like, saw me out? 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Why's all this trail that lives coming from? 51:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, like, if it was just one person, maybe, but I mean, like, it takes a lot of effort to cut people. 51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially that many yeah, and then I don't think as far as I know none of the fragments or anything It says anything about like marks that a knife or whatever would would cause Yeah, I don't remember either they're saying but there were I mean so many fragments though, but they did find Well, I mean animals could have done that over the years. 52:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I hold them up. 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah Pull them apart, but they did find gun shells. 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true. 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think they were probably shot 52:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he could have had a walk out there and shoot him. 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that could be, too. 52:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's a man there. 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I just have a hard time thinking that he done that all on his own. 52:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Josh, you're going to have to watch it. 52:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that you think of it. 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Good years smart enough to actually do that type of thing. 52:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's he might not know. 52:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like good year downplayed a lot of stuff. 52:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you watch him in the first one, 52:54 [SPEAKER_02]: He's very odd, which, you know, there are odd people, so that didn't throw me off, but just some of the things that he would say was just I was like, well, a cramp to say that, how did you know where his gun was? 53:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So that, you know, there was a, he liked described a scene of her shooting some person right here. 53:12 [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as the guy walked on the corner, and I was like, well, you had to have been in the room. 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 53:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And you didn't get shot. 53:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. 53:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting. 53:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can see like multiple guys like that be their thing like they go find the guy bring him a home, maybe screw him, kill him. 53:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you think about it, if you're two people going out and you talk someone into coming back with you, that's, you know, that third person's a third wheel. 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of odd. 53:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But if there's three people, that's true. 53:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess. 53:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But I know that he's got a big one. 53:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to come with us? 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 53:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure. 53:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But would it be easier for me for like if there's three guys and I'm like, hey, we need a fourth. 53:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We need a fourth. 54:00 [SPEAKER_02]: that way no one's lonely. 54:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because then like I'm just thinking like if there's three people, the chances of them killing you, you're probably like, oh, that's safe. 54:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We're a group of people. 54:12 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're three of these young people, you're overpowering me. 54:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But three people, that's a team. 54:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, I'll be a part of a team. 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They have reopened the investigation. 54:22 [SPEAKER_00]: after the first one, they decided that they, they don't think that they have everybody that was involved. 54:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So the Indiana State Police did reopen the case. 54:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And they said, maybe we have to launch it until so we can learn what they said. 54:44 [SPEAKER_02]: They said we're going to zap that's memory right out of our memory's horrible. 54:49 [SPEAKER_01]: My favorite thing lately has been traumatizing straight men exploring with their sexuality. 54:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so much fun when they're finished in that wave of what have I done, come to the cross. 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just say, have a good night, honey, blessed. 55:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I was going somewhere with it, but I don't know. 55:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet you are having rock to the good. 55:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to rock into the good. 55:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, why don't we stop the episode and more into here? 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I do have the specs for us. 55:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we can do all the next one. 55:25 [SPEAKER_02]: There. 55:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And 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