0:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Language and content in this episode may not be appropriate for all listeners. 0:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen our discretion is strongly advised. 0:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Some voices may come from voice actors, but the words are accurate to the interview described. 0:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The black alley chase me on If you were given a magic wand in one of these cold cases, what you'd ask for is not a missing piece of evidence or a note taking eyewitness. 0:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What you'd ask for is one of the victims to come back to life. 1:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So you could ask them what happened in crack the case in one sweeping break three. 1:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd have all the details, maybe not motif or planning, but a first hand account of the crime itself. 1:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, and the victim would no longer be dead. 1:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you ever asked for such a thing while investigating a co-case, someone would gently, or maybe not so gently, remind you that that is impossible. 1:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's impossible, but it's also exactly what happened in the case of the red head murders. 1:35 [SPEAKER_02]: In pitch darkness, surely after 2 am, Jane Doe No. 1:40 [SPEAKER_02]: 7 stumbled into the media of I-40 near Junction 58 in Kingston, Tennessee. 1:47 [SPEAKER_02]: The strangling had ruptured the blood vessels in her eyes and rendered her virtually blind, though only temporarily. 1:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Our hearing was also damaged by the astronomical physical stress of her murder. 2:01 [SPEAKER_02]: She was in the middle of one of the nation's largest interstates, but with her senses so compromised, she had absolutely no idea where she was. 2:10 [SPEAKER_02]: She had a wide red ligature mark around her neck, and all the bruising and trauma of strangling visible in her face. 2:18 [SPEAKER_02]: To all witnesses on the interstate that night, her appearance was as jarring and unlikely, as they still did, walking corpse. 2:30 [SPEAKER_02]: that she was near a callvert, as she woke up in one, and a pile of leaves. 2:35 [SPEAKER_02]: She could hear something like traffic whirling somewhere overhead, that began to climb toward what she thought might be a light. 2:44 [SPEAKER_02]: The least, it felt less dark. 2:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So, she crawled out of the hole, seeing nothing and hearing little, until she reached the smooth surface of asphalt. 2:57 [SPEAKER_02]: She stood up and walked with her hands out in front of her, like a Hollywood zombie through possible traffic still toward the light. 3:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And suddenly, there was grass again beneath her feet, the media. 3:13 [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, she felt the lights of passing vehicles and began waving her arms for 3:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The police took her statement that morning and a few months later the case went to trial. 3:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And fortunately for all of us, she had no doubt whatsoever as to the identity of her killer, a long-haul trucker named Jerry Johns. 3:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Rather than telling the rest of her story, we're going to let her speak for herself. 3:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of this episode consists of her testimony on the afternoon of July 10, 1986. 3:47 [SPEAKER_00]: will offer limited commentary here and there, but for the most part, you're here directly from her. 3:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll do this with the help of a voice actress as no recording devices are allowed in court rooms, and we would never ask Linda to relive any of this. 4:02 [SPEAKER_02]: As you listen, keep in mind just how unusual this is. 4:06 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the kind of insight we rarely get into the way that serial killers operate, as their victims are often the only witnesses to their crimes. 4:16 [SPEAKER_02]: and their victims almost never get away. 4:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Even Linda didn't get away. 4:21 [SPEAKER_02]: The killer did why he had done to the other women, and left her only when he knew she was dead. 4:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Only somehow, and no one knows how, she wasn't dead. 4:33 [SPEAKER_02]: When he felt the last whispers of her life leave her body, it continued to flicker in some undetectable part of her. 4:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She thought she was dead too, and the fact that she wandered on to I-40, and half our later, is still a bit of a mystery. 4:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But she did stagger back into the community by the living, and this is her story. 5:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you state your name for the first record in spell your last name? 5:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Mr. Shack, what do you do for a living now? 5:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I saw lemonade. 5:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Where are you selling that? 5:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Florida. 5:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Back on March the 5th and 6th of 1985. 5:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Where were you working? 5:31 [SPEAKER_01]: At catch one club. 5:34 [SPEAKER_05]: And what did you do there? 5:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I was a dancer. 5:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, calling your attention to March the 5th, 1985, were you working that particular day? 5:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 5:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 5:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you recall what shift you were working? 5:52 [SPEAKER_01]: As a first shift, it was, I went in at 3.30 and got off at 11. 5:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And during that time, did you meet anybody during your shift? 6:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I met Mr. Johns. 6:08 [SPEAKER_05]: OK, what did he look like at that time? 6:12 [SPEAKER_01]: One was, his hair was much longer and wavy. 6:16 [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't look like he sits in the courtroom today. 6:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he had a mustache or beard or something. 6:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He had, I'm not sure a mustache or beard or something. 6:31 [SPEAKER_05]: That is the individual that you met sitting next to Mr. Fell. 6:35 [SPEAKER_05]: So is that correct? 6:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir. 6:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Was anybody with him? 6:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, his brother. 6:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And what did his brother look like? 6:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He was missing an arm. 6:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you have any conversations with Mr. Jones and his brother? 6:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I had, uh, I sat down with Jerry Johns and talked to him. 6:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Did his brother say much during this time? 7:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No, just a very few words. 7:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He sometimes answered a sentence, yes or no. 7:09 [SPEAKER_05]: What did Jerry Jones talk to you about? 7:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it was, we, he asked, we talked about meeting, leaving and going to a motel. 7:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and what was the purpose of your meeting and going to a motel? 7:25 [SPEAKER_01]: To turn a trick. 7:28 [SPEAKER_05]: To engage in an act of prostitution? 7:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that correct? 7:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 7:34 [SPEAKER_05]: and who initiated that conversation? 7:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you initiate it or did Mr. Johns initiate it? 7:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He did. 7:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you have a discussion about turning a trick as you put it? 7:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we talked about it. 7:49 [SPEAKER_05]: He told the jury what you talked about. 7:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He asked me how much and I said $300. 7:56 [SPEAKER_05]: And what did he say after he said $300? 8:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He said that was too much. 8:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Did he make any offers to you? 8:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I think he said $100. 8:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember exactly, but I said, well, $200, then. 8:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Did he agree to pay you that amount? 8:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir. 8:23 [SPEAKER_05]: OK, what did he do after he agreed to pay you that amount? 8:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He took $200 bills and tore them in half and gave me two halves and kept the other two halves and said that I would get them when I showed up. 8:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, the two halves that he tore in half were they the same halves or were they halves to two different $100 bills? 8:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They, I mean, he just took two of them and ripped them in half and gave me two and kept two. 8:55 [SPEAKER_05]: OK, did you have any other conversations with him? 8:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about a lot of little things, just small talk. 9:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 9:05 [SPEAKER_05]: What kind of small talk? 9:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He said something about he was a real, a real famous person. 9:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said he was unfortunate 500 magazine. 9:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said he owned some trucks, and he wanted to know if I had a friend for his brother. 9:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and what purpose did he want a friend for his brother? 9:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The same reason. 9:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and what did you tell him? 9:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, just at that time, Shannon walked in the door, and I said, well, I looked around to find one, and he didn't like the girls that were there, and then a little while later, you know, that Shannon walked in, and I said, how about her? 9:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I called her over to the table, and he said, yeah. 9:54 [SPEAKER_05]: OK, and did he reach any agreement with her in your presence? 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The same thing that $200, he took another $200 and tore them in half. 10:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, did you reach any type of or have any discussion about how you were going to meet him in a motel? 10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he said, did we know any motels that had music, stereo systems in it? 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about different motels, and he said, we told him, I told him, I got off at 11, and that she would try to get off at the same time, and that they would just come back, and we could follow them to wherever they were going. 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: that they could go get them a motel while we were finishing work that we had to work our shift. 10:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and did they leave? 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:50 [SPEAKER_05]: And did you later see Mr. Jones again? 10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they came back about 10-30. 10:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and then by they, who do you mean? 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Him and his brother. 11:03 [SPEAKER_05]: And when they came back at 10-30, did you have any more conversation? 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... he did say are you ready to go and i said yeah and shannon wasn't able to leave then she they wouldn't let her leave till twelve thirty so okay what did you do i went and got dressed and got my things and i told them that uh... i would have to follow him and we had to be real discreet because we weren't allowed to leave with a customer okay and you told them that right there didn't you 11:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, now you see you got dressed. 11:40 [SPEAKER_05]: How are you dressed when you worked? 11:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And what did you wear when you worked at catch one? 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I wore an outfit, a little bathing suit type outfit. 11:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and what did you put on when you got dressed? 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, a pair of jeans, he had told me earlier at the first time he came by. 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, he asked me if we would dance for him, if I would dance for him, what I got to the room and that he liked this clue outfit that I had on and what I keep it on, what I wear it in the room. 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So I left it on and just put my jeans over the top of the outfit I had on. 12:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, did you wear anything else? 12:19 [SPEAKER_01]: a t-shirt and tennis shoes and a leather jacket. 12:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Now while you were there at catch one, did you have any conversations concerning drugs with Mr. Jones? 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he asked if I liked to cocaine, and I said yes, and he said, did I know where I could get any, and I said, well, I didn't know I'd try. 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, well, if I could get some and bring it with me, that he would reimburse me for the drugs, and then he also asked for marijuana, he said, and I know where I could get a 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I did, he would reimburse me for those two. 13:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, was this before or after you had all reached an agreement concerning the act of prostitution? 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It was after. 13:10 [SPEAKER_05]: It was after he had already given you the money. 13:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that correct? 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 13:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, around what time was it when you left catch? 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: About 11. 13:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and what did you do? 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I started, I went and got my car and started out of the parking lot, and he was already started out of the parking lot and it's truck. 13:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, what kind of vehicle was he in? 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, right truck with Texas tax. 13:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And what about his brother? 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: His brother was in an old car, uh, I don't know what kind it was, just an old car. 13:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, what kind of car were you driving? 13:54 [SPEAKER_05]: And approximately, how much was the car worth? 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, $15,000. 14:01 [SPEAKER_05]: What did you do then? 14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I started. 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I got behind Jerry John's and the truck. 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then his brother got behind me in the car. 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And we drove to the holiday in on Dale Avenue. 14:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 14:14 [SPEAKER_05]: How many holiday ends did you pass before you got to the holiday in on Dale Avenue? 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we passed the one, I mean, I thought that we were going to go to the one on the world's fair site and I was, if I hadn't followed him, I would have went to the wrong place. 14:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that. 14:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, what did you do when you got to the holiday in at Dale Avenue? 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We parked and went up to the rooms and... Do you recall what room numbers they were in? 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They were right next to each other, something like 305 and 306 or something. 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember exactly, but they were right next to each other. 14:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and what happened next? 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: the three of us had walked up together and we went to the first room and Jerry told us brother that he said I'll come back and get you when it is time to go get Shannon and he said well just call me and me and Jerry walked over to his room next door and went in. 15:20 [SPEAKER_05]: What did you do after you got inside the room? 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We sat and talked and he, we talked about drinks already. 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He had, he has quite kind of drinks we had wanted to have. 15:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And we had agreed on vodka and orange juice. 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So he had brought some vodka and orange juice. 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So I fixed a drink or heated. 15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, one of us fixed a drink a piece and just sat down and started talking. 15:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we ordered a pizza. 15:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Did the pizza come? 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it came, and they brought coax with it, so I just sat in drink a coke and we ate a piece of pizza. 16:01 [SPEAKER_04]: What happened then? 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he said he was going to take a shower, so he went into the shower. 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he had a, when he went in, he had the briefcase. 16:11 [SPEAKER_05]: He sat down and he did take the briefcase in from the truck or was it already in the room? 16:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Or do you remember? 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I just remember when he sat the suitcase that he said, he said, I don't want to scare you, but then he started telling me that he was a Texas Ranger and said he was undercover and he was on a drug bust. 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: this was his, he was on a big drug bus that we're going to have here in town and he had this gun in his pants and he said, I've got to put, I don't want to scare you, he said, this is just, they make me carry this gun and he put it inside the briefcase and locked it before he went and took a shower. 17:01 [SPEAKER_05]: He took it out of his pants? 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. 17:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, Linda, were you wearing any jewelry at the time you 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No, sir. 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I took it all off and put it in my bag. 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I carry a bag with my clothes in it and I had put it in the bag. 17:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And were you carrying any money with you when you went up to the room? 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I took my money and hit it in my car. 17:27 [SPEAKER_05]: What about the two halves of the $100 bills? 17:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Where were they when you went up to the room? 17:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I hid them, I took, I hid them in the car too. 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I hid my money, one place, and the two have $100 bills, and another place. 17:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And all of that was in your car? 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. 17:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Now he went in. 17:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Did he take a shower? 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he went and took a shower. 17:52 [SPEAKER_05]: And what did you do when he was taking a shower? 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I got undressed and got in bed. 17:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Did he subsequently get out of the shower? 18:02 [SPEAKER_05]: what happened then he came in and uh... we had sex now and you having sex did you have any discussions with him concerning your appearance 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... we talked about my hair and he noticed that my hair had been died and he also noticed that i had had a boob job and he also talked about the tattoo that i have got on my bottom and he talked about a few little stretch marks i have got on my side on on my sides now in what way did he talk about these he was he said he wanted 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't like the idea, my boobs having a boot job. 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to know why I had it done. 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, it's a shame that I had had it done. 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, he just mentioned the fact, something about my hair that it didn't match, it didn't match, and what color was in your hair? 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It had sort of a red tint to it. 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I should something about the stretch marks that they could be sanded off or something with some sort of surgery where you can sand them off. 19:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, you mentioned that you engaged in sex. 19:21 [SPEAKER_05]: What exactly did you do? 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we had, I had, we had oral sex and then we had sex. 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It lasted just a few minutes. 19:34 [SPEAKER_05]: And in what position did you have that sex? 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I was on top. 19:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Was that his request or did you do that? 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is what he wanted, he asked for. 19:46 [SPEAKER_05]: OK, did you all complete the sex act? 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir. 19:52 [SPEAKER_05]: What happened then? 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to the bathroom and cleaned up and got dressed and came back into the room. 20:00 [SPEAKER_05]: And what was Mr. John's doing at that time? 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He was still sitting there with a sheet over him, so I just gathered my things up and started to leave and he said, well, wait a minute, I will walk you to the car. 20:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Did he walk you to the car? 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he took the suitcase and unlocked it and took his gun back out and put it back in his pants and we walked down to the car. 20:28 [SPEAKER_05]: What happened when you got to the car? 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He looked at the car and he asked how much it was worth and things like that. 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said he had so many vehicles that all of them together didn't come to that amount and it was crazy to spend that much on a car. 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he asked about the, said he said, could he look at it or he said scoot over and I said why? 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I want to look at your car. 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got out and let him sit in it. 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I said sit in it and look. 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: and he got in and he started looking at the tea top and he said something about how I would cheat the insurance company or something. 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, you've got a fortune here if you just knew what to do with it, how to steal them and then report it stolen or something. 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He was telling me about the tea tops and then he got out of the car and I sat back down. 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, scoot over, and I said, why? 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, we've got to go get one of your friends for a drug bust. 21:36 [SPEAKER_05]: OK, now, at the time that you went out to the car, you were aware that he had the gun. 21:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that correct? 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 21:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And when you got to the car, where was the gun? 21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: In his pants. 21:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And after he said to scoot over, and that we have got to get one of your friends for a drug bust, what did you do? 21:56 [SPEAKER_02]: John continues persuading Linda to turn on her friends. 22:00 [SPEAKER_02]: She refuses. 22:02 [SPEAKER_02]: She'll happily go to jail herself, but the thought of putting her friends in harm's way is intolerable. 22:08 [SPEAKER_02]: She more or less says, do what you want to me, just leave my friends alone. 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, Linda still thinks that at this point, John's is an officer, a Texas Ranger, even after he is threatened to shoe her. 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: She thinks that John's just wants to arrest her friends. 22:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We know that he doesn't, he wants to kill them, maybe rape them, and possibly both. 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: In order to gain access to Linda's friends, John's explains the he needs to take her car. 22:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Once he has this, he has access to a new circle of victims. 22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: When he pulls up, they think it's her, so they get in and they disappear. 22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, no, arrest me. 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, just please, just arrest me. 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, no, I didn't have any track marks or anything and he drugs on me. 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, well, what if I just take off running? 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I'll shoot you and say you tried to escape. 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So I said, well, please, don't arrest any of my friends. 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't take it. 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, well, I've got to have your car, so that they will trust me enough to get in the car. 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I'm not going to arrest any of your friends. 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to find one of them that is holding something so that I can, and that I won't bust them. 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just make them tell me the name of where they got it. 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he said, we don't want the little people. 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We want this a big drug bust. 23:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And after he said, the scoot over, and that we've got to get one of your friends for a drug bust, what happened then? 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He made me, he said, I even asked him if I could drive. 23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, just, you know, and he said, well, no, I am not going to record car. 23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got in the passenger side, and he got in and started to drive. 24:04 [SPEAKER_04]: What happened then? 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I asked him if we could stop at the store to take 24:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I said, he said we could tape up the $100 bills, and I said, well, let's stop at the store so that I could tape them up, and he said, no, we will get it later. 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And we drove to catch one, the parking lot down at the end of the street. 24:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you, at any time, get the other two halves of the $100 bills from Jerry Jones? 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No, sir. 24:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, did you at any time give Jerry John's the two halves of the $100 bills that were in your car? 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: No, sir. 24:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you at any time tell him where they were? 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 24:50 [SPEAKER_05]: So after you got to the parking lot of catch one, what happened? 24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... he pulled over and he said it wasn't time for her to get off yet so that we would have to wait on her and uh... he said let me have your t-shirt and i said what for and he said i'm just canke so i just took it off and i gave it to him and he started ripping it and he ripped it and strips and he said i've got to tie you up and so he tied my hands together and he tied my feet together 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he let me smoke a cigarette when my hands were tied together, I asked him if I could and he said yes. 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: and had rolled the window down a little bit and let me smoke a cigarette and there he tied my hands to my feet and then he put a gag on me and I started choking and I said I can't breathe through my nose and he said okay and he took it and he tied he took a little bit of strip and tied it so and so that I could breathe what happened then? 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, he looked at his watch, and he said, it's not that he, well, he had to take me to another unit. 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, well, just let me lay in the floor board. 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She won't see me. 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, no, she will see you. 26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I've got to get her. 26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I've got to get her to get in the car so that I can catch her with some drugs on her. 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, I'm going to take you to another unit and leave you there until I get her in the car. 26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I will come back and get you. 26:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you voluntarily do all this? 26:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you want to be a tie-up by Mr. Johns? 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: No, sir. 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he would kill me if I tried to leave or if I screamed. 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the surprising things about Linda's story is her continued faith in John's story that he was an officer. 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Even throughout his repeated threats to murder her. 26:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sadly, as we know from earlier episodes, this was not a matter of naivety. 26:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Laura enforcement has long established patterns of mistreatment of sex workers, and especially of the kind that work along the interstate. 27:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But of course, John doesn't have any real protection under the law. 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He has to sneak around with Linda in the passenger seat, and he has to pretend like he isn't sneaking around. 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're a smart guy like John's, what do you do? 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you disguise the fact that you're looking around frantically to be sure you haven't been spotted or followed? 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You act like you're looking for fellow squad cars. 27:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You look around and pretend to be frustrated that the rest of your friends on the police force aren't following you into the woods. 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is what John's did. 27:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He disguised his furtive glances at those of a frustrated ranger looking for the rest of his unit. 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: In reality, he was taking her to a place when no one could hear her scream. 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... he drove me we drove down interstate forty west and he kept looking around and he said he was mad because he said the other unit wasn't where it was supposed to be so uh... on what road he turned on what road and went to the end of the road there he went left 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: and he stopped at the end of the road and there was a little house and he just stopped and looked around and then he backed up and pulled back on the inner state going east and then he pulled over on the side of the road and he said, I'm going to have to leave you here and he stopped the car 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: and he got out and he left the car running and came over to my side and he started like he was going to lift me out but he couldn't. 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't move my arms around. 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just where he had them tied together and he said, I'm going to have to untie. 29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I'm going to have to untie your feet so he cut them. 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: and untied my feet and just left my hands and the gag on my mouth. 29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, just walk out through here and be real quiet. 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And he took my arm and walked me down through the woods. 29:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Did he say anything at that time as to what was going to happen to you, Miss Shaq? 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He, I kept asking him if he was going to kill me and he said, no, he wasn't going to hurt me. 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, all we want, he said, he wasn't going to arrest me and he wasn't going to hurt me. 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But he said, it was just a drug bust and that he would come back and get me. 29:44 [SPEAKER_04]: What happened then? 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: uh we he brought me down to the woods and then he I thought he was going to tie me back up that is what he said he was going to do and he pulled the gun out of his pants and pointed it at me and he- well if I'm I interrupt what position were you in at the time that he did that? 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe I was sitting down because I looked up and he was holding the gun on me and he I screamed and he said shut up and I did and he came over to me and took the gag off my mouth and just held it in his hand and I said are you going to kill me and he said yes and I said fly and he said because you are a nuisance and that was it. 30:29 [SPEAKER_04]: What did he do then? 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He strangled me. 30:34 [SPEAKER_05]: How did he strangle you? 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: With the strip he had taken off by mouth and he wrapped it around my neck. 30:42 [SPEAKER_06]: What did he do? 30:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He just had, he just wrapped it around tight. 30:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it is just that. 30:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I just, what happened to you during this time? 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just, it just seemed like it took forever and I couldn't even move, but so I was just paralyzed. 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was just, it was so awful that I just fell down, just collapsed so that he wouldn't kill me. 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to hurry and die, so I just fell down. 31:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you at some point lose consciousness? 31:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir. 31:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you hear anything? 31:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember hearing leaves rattling. 31:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I just remember the rattling of the leaves. 31:28 [SPEAKER_02]: To recap, Linda's been strangled, not choked for a little while, but all the way strangled. 31:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And somehow, she survived. 31:38 [SPEAKER_02]: If you remember our description of strangulation at the beginning of this series, we'll have some idea of her physical state at this moment. 31:46 [SPEAKER_02]: She can't see, she can barely hear. 31:48 [SPEAKER_02]: All her sins perceptions have narrowed to one elemental phenomenon. 31:54 [SPEAKER_02]: She knows that she's in the woods because she hears, however faintly, the rattling of leaves. 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, the avioli and her lungs have burst, and their fluid is leaking into the interstitial spaces that surround them. 32:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Her larynx is partially crushed and blood vessels throughout her head and face have ruptured. 32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: She is bleeding into her cornea in Scalera and probably all the way back to her retina. 32:25 [SPEAKER_02]: She's still grasping for air and looks as though someone has dropped food coloring onto the whites of her eyes. 32:33 [SPEAKER_02]: The killer finishes his attack and she somehow didn't die. 32:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Did at some point you were a gang consciousness? 32:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, when I woke up. 32:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I was in a culvert. 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, I could feel, and it was just this round, a whole like. 32:58 [SPEAKER_06]: What did you do? 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I laid there because I thought he was wanting to watch me suffer. 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I just laid there where I was at, and I waited just a few seconds, and I couldn't hear anything, and I didn't know whether he was there or gone, and I just thought, well, I was going to die anyway, so I just started crawling. 33:20 [SPEAKER_06]: What did you do? 33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I crawled out of this hole and I could hear traffic. 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't see her anything, but I could hear traffic. 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I tried to pull the thing off my neck. 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so tight. 33:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't get a finger in it or anything. 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was, I couldn't breathe. 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just crawled up the bank toward the traffic that I could hear. 33:46 [SPEAKER_06]: What did you do then? 33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when I got to the top, I could 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I pulled it strand by strand until I could get the thing off my neck and then when I was able to, I crawled out into the inner state and I could tell I could hear vehicles going by. 34:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just walked into the inner state and I got, I must have been in the middle because I could, I felt brass again and then I saw 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I could tell the lights were going by, so I just ran and waved my arm so it's somebody would stop and then that's when a truck had pulled over and I ran towards them and then I ran away because I was afraid that we're going to kill me too. 34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize I couldn't tell who it was because I couldn't see, so I ran away from them and then I realized that I was going to die right there in the middle of the interstate, so I just, I thought I had to go toward them. 34:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Did you tell them what happened to you? 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I was real. 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I was scared. 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I started telling them. 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I started saying, he tried to kill me. 34:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would say, don't kill me. 34:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't kill me because I couldn't. 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know whether they were going to kill me or help me. 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I tried to tell them that what had happened that he somebody had killed me or tried to kill me. 35:04 [SPEAKER_05]: But... And did you stand with them for a while? 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they let me sit in their truck while they call it for somebody to take me to the hospital. 35:13 [SPEAKER_05]: After that happened, did somebody come and take you to the hospital? 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: A police officer did. 35:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Was that trooper Larry parsley? 35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. 35:22 [SPEAKER_05]: And where did you go to the hospital? 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: At a park west emergency room. 35:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Were you treated there? 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir. 35:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you talk to Detective Larry Johnson there? 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was in the emergency room. 35:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, keep in mind, Linda still thinks John's is an officer. 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But this point she has no idea who the good guys are. 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Or, if there are any, we all accounts we've heard. 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Detective Johnson is one of the good ones, but Linda doesn't know this. 35:55 [SPEAKER_00]: As far as she knows, she's dealing with one of Jerry's compatriots. 36:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you talk to Officer Parsley? 36:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Trooper Parsley about what had happened? 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was telling him a first, I thought he was going to kill me because I kept thinking that the whole law enforcement was in on it, that it was a drug bust and I thought I was in the way of their drug bust, so I kept saying I wouldn't, I didn't want to go with him because I was afraid he would kill me, but then he said, are you going with me or not? 36:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And I went, and he said, then I started telling him that he was going to kill Shannon, that Jerry Johns had went back to get Shannon, that he had to find her because they were going to kill her. 36:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you give Trooper Parsley a description of your automobile? 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir, I did. 36:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Why did you do that? 36:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Huh? 36:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Why did you give him a description of your car? 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we had driven there in my car, and I know Jerry Johns was in my car. 37:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Later in the trial, the prosecution introduces photographs of the dream where Linda was found, and also of her injuries on the night of her kidnapping. 37:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Even knowing the details of the case, the images are startling. 37:21 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're interested, you can find them on our website. 37:25 [SPEAKER_02]: The Knox County Medical Examiner, Dr. Fred Fur, is called to the stay-in to testify, 37:37 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, if we might go back, what is cyanosis of the face? 37:40 [SPEAKER_03]: That is a cyanosis. 37:42 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the blue color that one gets when there's not enough oxygen into the tissue. 37:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you put a ternicate around your arm, the hand would turn blue. 37:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And that would be medically cyanosis. 37:56 [SPEAKER_03]: How long would it take to turn that sheet of blue? 37:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, five minutes, probably. 38:01 [SPEAKER_05]: That would be the air cut off for approximately five minutes to reach that shade of blue. 38:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, I actually, I think what we're talking about here is not cyanosis, but actual extravization of blood into the tissue, which looked like cyanosis at the time in the emergency room. 38:20 [SPEAKER_03]: But the next day it was obviously the blood that had enlarged the tissue and swelled the face. 38:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And what is that caused by? 38:27 [SPEAKER_03]: That's caused by pressure on the veins and the neck, which restrict the blood flow back to the heart. 38:34 [SPEAKER_03]: But the pressure was not tight enough to obliterate the flow of blood through the arteries going into the head. 38:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So, the blood just kept pumping into the head, and because of the ties around the neck, it couldn't return, and the tissues just blew up. 38:51 [SPEAKER_02]: later in this testimony, Dr. Furr is asked to refer to Linda's admission summary. 38:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and what was that diagnosis? 39:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Strangulation with sub-conjunctable hemorrhages, not legible of both eyes. 39:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And the second one is Echi Moses of the face and forehead, and pressure marks around the neck. 39:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And what are sub-conjunctable hemorrhages? 39:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this is bleeding under the membrane that covers the white of the eye. 39:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Fur, I will show you what has been previously introduced as collective exhibit three. 39:32 [SPEAKER_05]: And ask you if this slows the conditions that you're speaking of in this admitted diagnosis. 39:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it does. 39:40 [SPEAKER_05]: And would you point out to the jury that conditions concerning Mrs. Shaxise? 39:46 [SPEAKER_03]: If you notice around the iris of the eye, the red wear it is supposed to be white, it is all red. 39:54 [SPEAKER_03]: This is blood that has been forced out into the tissue under the conjunctiva, which is the membrane over the eye. 40:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And were these parts on her neck also a part of your, is that the second part of you admitting diagnosis? 40:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, those are the pressure marks around the neck. 40:12 [SPEAKER_05]: If we might return to the emergency summary, emergency sheet, is it true, Dr. Fur, that that states that material used to tie her wrist still tied in place? 40:27 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, yes. 40:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It was still tied in place on the right wrist when she was admitted to the emergency room. 40:34 [SPEAKER_05]: It also refers to peachy ol' hemorrhaging. 40:37 [SPEAKER_03]: What is that, Dr. Fur? 40:38 [SPEAKER_03]: There are the small hemorrhages that are visible in this picture, especially on the forehead here, the little discoloration. 40:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It is the same thing again that you would get when you were a kid and you sucked on your arm when you got blue spots. 40:55 [SPEAKER_03]: This was a patechial hemorrhage on your arm and these are little patechial hemorrhages on the forehead, on the cheek, down around the jaw. 41:06 [SPEAKER_05]: And these are again caused by the blood vessels bursting as a result of the cutoff to the veins. 41:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that correct? 41:13 [SPEAKER_05]: That is correct. 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Throughout Linda's testimony, we remain puzzled by one thing in particular. 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Linda was a brunette, he weren't able to make sense of this until a brief exchange of the very end of the trial. 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: When Shane saw her picture from the hospital that night, the attorney actually brought this up at trial while he was making a flimsy and deemed case that this client was colourblind. 41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Linda, though a brunette, had died her hair red at the time of the crime. 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It had a red tint to it. 41:56 [SPEAKER_05]: A red tint or was it bright red or was it subdued? 42:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't bright red. 42:05 [SPEAKER_02]: In the next episode, we're going to meet Jerry Johns through his ex-awaited Phyllis, who offered to discuss the man she knew. 42:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't black out away Take me home
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