0:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Milk is the first promise of what he makes. 0:05 [SPEAKER_00]: A woman is not to decide to produce it. 0:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Her body begins because a child exists. 0:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And what it makes is meant for that child. 0:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And for no one else, it changes as the child grows, so that what is given at six weeks is not what was given at six days. 0:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the only food on earth made to order for a single customer. 0:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It answers the child too. 0:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The reflex that releases the milk can be offset by the sound of a baby crying. 0:32 [SPEAKER_00]: A woman across a room hears her child and feels her own body reply. 0:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing else a person has ever given works like that. 0:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Southern Oregon and January is a country of standing water. 0:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The rain comes off the Pacific and hangs in the coast range, and the Douglas Furgo's black with it. 0:50 [SPEAKER_00]: The light gets to a gray noon and gives up, and the towns keep their porch lights burning at two in the afternoon. 0:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Glendale sits in one of those drones, fourth-handths of a square mile, with 800 and some people in it, Douglas County ran on timber. 1:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And when the mills closed, the towns around them were left standing over an economy that had gone out from under them. 1:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Roughly one in four residents live in poverty. 1:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Poverty of that kind narrows the list of things a person has left to sell. 1:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The assets that remains are ones a person is carrying. 1:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And by 2014, there was a market for those, reachable from any room with a laptop. 1:29 [SPEAKER_00]: November of 2014, a young couple moved up from California into a rented place on Willis Avenue with their two-year-old son. 1:38 [SPEAKER_00]: In December, a second son was born at home. 1:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They named him data handcock. 2:33 [SPEAKER_00]: A Manda Hancock was 21 years old in the winter of 2015. 2:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Steven Williams Jr. was 26. 2:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They had come north from Santa Rosa, California. 2:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We're both had been students at the Junior College, and neither had finished. 2:48 [SPEAKER_00]: A man named Nathan Feldoorn told a campus reporter he had last seen them in September, saying near the downtown fairground 2:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He described the place as a shanty, instead of reaped of cigarette smoke. 3:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Two young people in a borrowed garage with a toddler in a pregnancy is not a crime. 3:08 [SPEAKER_00]: In thousands of households in the Pacific Northwest were in some version of it that autumn. 3:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The move to Glendale was the move people in that position often make, rent its cheaper in a timber town that lost its timber, and Hancock had family in the region. 3:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They drove north up interstate 5, 6 hours out of the California wine country, and into the Oregon rain, and took a house on the 800 block of Willis Avenue. 3:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Willis is a short residential street, a few blocks off the freeway, and the nearest hospital is a half hour north to Roseburg, over wet road. 3:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Williams had two other young children with another woman. 3:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The two-year-old came with them, and the baby was doing weeks. 3:51 [SPEAKER_00]: What is known about their income is what they later told detectives, which was that they both worked in the online porn industry. 3:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Hancock performed on camera, subscribers paid to watch, and that payment was the household's money. 4:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The specific product in the reporting in the core file was her lactation, which meant that the pregnancy, and then the birth, were themselves the household economy. 4:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, when you're contacting, I think it was January 22nd, you spoke with the technical radio and everything's swim. 4:28 [SPEAKER_01]: On the day that he did? 4:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 4:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And the medical center, 17th. 4:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So they kind of, I guess, filled me in all some of the details, but, so let's just 4:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to kind of get out of the speed on everything okay, so so you guys are recently from KELOLAND point around. 4:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 4:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So how long have you lived here? 4:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We moved here in November, 14th, she doesn't want to. 5:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 5:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So only about one month. 5:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 5:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And we don't know whether you're worried you're about two. 5:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We moved to the house. 5:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It is 85% of those out of you are equally there already. 5:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 5:13 [SPEAKER_02]: When you move here, who all move here? 5:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be Steven and Arson. 5:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I'll talk a little bit about yours and Steven, or anybody goes on my whole career. 5:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I'll talk a little bit about yours and my goals doesn't say to that. 5:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if this is one thing I have been going to explain because she's better. 5:39 [SPEAKER_01]: When he said that, we threw it all parties. 5:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That was something he was saying, and they can follow the deal better to see us in Trump. 5:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He paid for everything inside the house. 5:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He has no pool for anything he could have for his hands. 5:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that he got that to be back with this. 5:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Boy, we used to in California. 5:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We started to play together a production company for any and always retain it. 6:09 [SPEAKER_01]: the abstinence and really anything that you plug pouches for. 6:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We have been working on adult campsites for a while since I turned 19, I've been working on the campsite and that was a separate venture from our production company and we had started getting 6:32 [SPEAKER_01]: ideas to grow at all parties we look at all the lives and what steps to take and we throw in power and fight up hotels but then we held out on that because we had more responsibilities to take care of with our kids than our normal job in those. 6:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So right now the only job that we've worked is online at Hamlet's. 6:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Camming is legal work between consenting adults and monetizing her own body is not what put her in front of a jury. 7:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing that happened at DataHencock happened on camera. 7:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He was not photographed, not filmed, not used. 7:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a photograph from before any of it. 7:11 [SPEAKER_00]: A local photographer who has not to be named had done shoots with both of them, in one in-cock stands in a park outside Santa Rosa, several months pregnant with data, photograph naked among the trees, it sits in the same file as everything that came after. 7:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Data Hancock was born in early December of 2014, without a doctor having seen his mother during the pregnancy. 7:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That comes from the probable cause of a David. 7:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Both parents admitted there had been no prenatal care, and that they had gone to no appointments after the boy was born. 7:45 [SPEAKER_00]: In seven weeks of life, he was never weighed by anyone whose job it was to weigh him, never measured, never examined, never seen by a nurse or a pediatrician or a public health worker. 7:58 [SPEAKER_02]: How have you done in this area? 7:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so we stated a little part of what you mean by that. 8:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he, if you've already thought we grew in California, um, one was a total tiny, a key party where six or seven adults went into a hotel. 8:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We thought about making drink tea together and watching movies, and that was that. 8:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was another party that, um, 8:19 [SPEAKER_01]: or even if I didn't show up to what it was for a girl that I had and she wanted to be gay things, so I ordered a nice statement for an answer to find suitable guys that were trustable things. 8:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But really, I just ordered a nice thing for people to go to, so then my way they fail to say, and there were other people around, because it was 8:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's class style before I'm very old and it's not safe that you don't know what you're doing. 8:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so now you say, you guys just certainly kind of do all-in-law home. 8:55 [SPEAKER_02]: What does that consist of? 8:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, can you think that I'm not a parent or like, if the have to do with me taking a shower that I'll turn all the camera and take a shower on camera, I may be asking you with me, but myself and your models and all of myself in a bottle. 9:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If it has to do with me just feeling like having good people, then that's what I do. 9:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It really just depends on our mood and what we still is doing, that's it. 9:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So, the, uh, pinter into sex on the, uh, online. 9:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the time it's not like, or you do all things, we always have it offered by usually when we do that. 9:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we want you not because somebody paid us. 9:35 [SPEAKER_01]: People don't usually pay for the sexual stuff because there's a lot of other models that do that, and then better that it. 9:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And more. 9:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm proud of that, but need your life go really well and you hang out with me and just you happy to see those and other things along the way because I felt like it. 9:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So how did you get a thing for this? 9:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I became through a LLC called Call Town Services through the lead side of that work. 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's basically a change based on people by tokens on site that I work, the site takes the 10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: whatever is left over out there a meeting and then they can't cash out and have a team to think of it. 10:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I guess on Harris, I guess on two weeks, what is the Harris payoff for you guys? 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And, average payoff is around reading a little bit more. 10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fine, you chose to do a thing. 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Um... 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Good thing for sometimes I won't even work for a full-on week, got it to take period and also make that much. 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It really depends because sometimes I'm on for hours and I don't need anything and sometimes I lot on and also I need a hundred bucks and I have even said hello and it's really just a pencil. 10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been doing this. 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're an entertainer. 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an entertainer. 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's my job because he doesn't see without all the energy content that he has. 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And the possibility too, but I'm usually the more working client and use more of this parent's clients to go do those types of things. 11:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So are some of the things that you all murder as people would face for? 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I all murder things like me getting needed. 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I offer bondage if they want it, which they never do. 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I offer how shows if they want to see it, 11:36 [SPEAKER_01]: meaning what it offers of what this is the main thing that I do for the work and I have rock walls and I have clubs that people can participate in to make them want to come back. 11:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a monthly rock wall where it's 15 so much to me to take it and every month there's a rock drawing where they can win straight might be. 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I take ID address, which is the most childing app, and then my touch clock number, because I have an office that my actual phone number so they can text me, not only giving up my personal information, and pictures sometimes, but it's nice to have taken pictures. 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would get wrong to that. 12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so probably most of probably the most successful thing thing that you do, you're out of, okay? 12:27 [SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't know. 12:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So what was that? 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, after I had, he said, well, we were happy to know. 12:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I couldn't really start by hitting early. 12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had never met a lot of people were interested in that. 12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, I think, faced with my money. 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was kind of a hand in stress myself into a bottle and I would store the milk for whenever I needed it. 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I offered, if anyone was interested, to sell my milk, but I never ended up selling it. 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 12:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And he does all the love videos for him. 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: As you did, it was born hands on whatever he would be sleeping. 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Or, Mikey, if he was watching you, I would go and express myself on camera. 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after I was done, I would vlog off and go see my son with what I had expressed. 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I would ask him as well. 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And then once I was done with that, I would go back and do the same thing. 13:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I would do. 13:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But you always say to me, I'll hurt you. 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Not always sometimes it was like on a sprinkler towel because people asked me to do a page for me to do it somewhere else. 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: They've been a bottle, but I try to say that every time. 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so with, yeah, um, I'm okay, I'm sorry. 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, was there three or once the, uh, feeding you? 13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's just four hours and a half in one of my phones for the reason to come. 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I didn't remember five to three hours and my one would go off and it would remind me if I was in the middle of doing something else than just what I was doing and then go see them. 13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If I wasn't doing anything else, I would jump out and throw a hit and what's my one of them. 14:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 14:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And what always do you think of it? 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It was probably doing the feedings. 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I was primarily doing the feedings. 14:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, did you speak on your phone at all? 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: A few times, if I was working, and I was having a really, really good night with pets. 14:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I would express myself into a lot of them, and then hand it to them. 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever... 14:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess other than, you know, mainly expressing yourself as you can have a call for it all. 14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm pushing the idea, and I want to, I have one on my list list, and I would bring you to get one, but it's a really good one, so I don't have call calls for not like they have one, so that call calls just like $100 for a hook hit. 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I did have that money, and it's just going to, and so I was trying to convince a fan to buy it and never have it. 14:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 14:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So, would you ever, 14:59 [SPEAKER_02]: store in the old pre-suit or anything. 15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I chose one model before he was born, but the name is absolutely out of it. 15:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It was had before he was born and it was just giving it to him. 15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But I certainly inside of the fridge for a trip to out of that most, whenever I was storing multi-cold drinking customers. 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 15:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Unless he's saying that, it was very good at that. 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I need sure that I have expressed that we have three answers every time that I've been in. 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the time, he would finish in more and more, but sometimes he would always have a boss analysis. 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 15:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And did you have any issues with the last year or last year or last year? 15:40 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he had no issues, last year. 15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And could you tell you was actually getting an open? 15:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 15:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I could. 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But that also why I was. 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to witness how she was drinking as well as feeling it because even though it feels like you're getting from the internet now, and so I wanted to make sure that I was doing the best I could for. 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: A baby does not starve for seven weeks in an American town, because a system failed. 16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He stares because no system was ever engaged. 16:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody struck data handcock, nobody shook him, there are no fractures in this file, and no bruises, and the absence gets red as proof. 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: This was something less than violence. 16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It was violence. 16:24 [SPEAKER_00]: A blow kills in a second and takes one decision. 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Starving a seven week old takes a decision every few hours for 49 days while the evidence of what these decisions were doing way in the room getting smaller. 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And during the one of the first or two weeks rest, you know, they called me because I had a French assembly with 50 miles away. 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So what probably the easier if they called me, 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And when he's appointed to start getting closer, I was looking for a ride, and I found one, and then the next day of the late canceled office. 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I did a call to doctor, a student before he passed, and he explained to them that, I had a ride, I was trying, but I might not be able to make it to his appointment. 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, that was fine. 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They would take him off the schedule, and then we should all leave to do a walk in the place. 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The very first one, they called me, they asked me how he was doing, they asked me how I was shooting, they asked me how I was filming, and then that was fixed. 17:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But you didn't show those to the airport, right? 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they only had a phone call. 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you would do the live patient show, how much do you think you would like it? 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Two to four hours and just depending on how long it is. 17:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 17:55 [SPEAKER_02]: the almost seven weeks that you had had a data that you ever saw produced in no pill. 18:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So your does never got clogged or not, but you're still able to produce milk. 18:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And no non-infection that you had. 18:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I want to be tell us last time that you did have an infection and that your nose aches were involved in that there was a period of about three weeks that you were not able to produce a milk. 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was not able to produce milk as quickly in any case that I was scared about a shortening question. 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think that I had one because I did not have one to my nose. 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I was scared, yes. 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 18:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to argue with you, but now that is what you said. 18:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The 49 days ran through the darkest stretch of a southern Oregon winter. 18:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Early December to late January is the bottom of the year. 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The rain wore a west continuous. 19:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The daylight down to nine hours. 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The house would have been closed up against it. 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever happened inside happened in artificial light. 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: In rooms, nobody else entered, starvation is slow work, and a dog can go a long time without food because the body is built for scarcity, and will spend fat before it spends anything it needs. 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: A newborn has almost none of that. 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: A seven-week-old is Metabolically, the most exposed human being therein is running a body that doubles its birth week inside six months with reserves measured in days, 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The margin that carries a grown man through a hard winter does not exist in a child that size. 19:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The body spends its sugar first. 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Glyce Gen is the quick fuel stored in the river, and an adult carries about a day of it. 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: In infant carries a few hours. 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Once that is gone, the body turns to fat. 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: In a seven-week-old, has very little infant fat serves as an installation in brain material. 20:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Rather than stored against hard times, when the fat is spent, the body begins eating itself. 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It breaks down muscle protein and converts it to glucose because the brain must have glucose and will be served before anything else, and infants brain claim something close to 60% of his total energy. 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So everything else in him is fed to it, the thighs go, the body goes, the muscles between the ribs go, which is why a starving infant's breathing becomes shallow and quick in the heart goes, because the heart is muscle and the body does not exempt it, the wall's thin and the chamber loses mass, the organ that has to keep working is disassembled to fuel the organ that has to keep thinking. 20:49 [SPEAKER_00]: and a heart in that condition can simply stop. 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything else fills alongside it, body temperature falls, because there's nothing left to burn for warmth, and a starving infant goes cold in a warm room, blood sugar crashes, and hypoglycemia in an infant brings seizures, and an unconsciousness. 21:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The thymus, the gland that trains a newborn's immune cells, withers to a fraction of its size, medicine calls that a nutritional 21:17 [SPEAKER_00]: because starvation performs the operation without a knife. 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: The whining of the intestine, flans us the body cannibalized, is it? 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So, past a certain point, feeding him would no longer have been enough. 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: One number of governs an infant's first month, and it is the reason pediatric visits are scheduled so timely. 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: In Newborn is expected to be back at birthweight by around two weeks, and after that, to add roughly an ounce a day, over seven weeks at Healthy Boy, would gain two to three pounds, which, on a body that's small, is a visible transformation that treats foam, the thighs crease, the whole child changes still wet inside a month, a starving infant runs that film backwards. 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: The direction of travel over data's 49 days was subtraction on a frame that had almost nothing to subtract from during the precise weeks when every ounce should have been going the other way. 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so far to a famous death, um, was a very, you know, a thing that you can notice. 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, that was different about him. 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Did anybody have, she said, actually a little bit weirder than usual, she was a little more quiet during the day like he, he was a, uh, happy day, not like fussy, but she would laugh about him. 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, might you have to fight back to this phase and yesterday that we're going to end up calling the hospital because it's kind of worried us. 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even over a baby to be loud and active and then one second just want to lay back and stare at the walls. 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And how was the whole full day before he passed away? 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Or was he just wanting to lay back and stare at things he barely made any noises? 23:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really worried me. 23:23 [SPEAKER_02]: to where you then wanted to hold in. 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We just got to see if there was no life. 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't like fully shut down. 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't like yet for it to give it up on the world. 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just that sort of content with everything. 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a scene like, but great because it's different. 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But he was really handling content. 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He just weighed in smiles and kind of looked at us. 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're making a few noises. 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But not the same way as he was used to. 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we talked about it, and we've all agreed that we might not want to jump to guns, but if he's having the same, we might want to call the doctor in the next morning. 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he came through that night and said, in the morning. 24:05 [SPEAKER_02]: How does up in the gun? 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, it's over the drastic change like that. 24:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, from being this happy, lively baby to a baby, I mean, you know, he's like, a complete different baby. 24:20 [SPEAKER_01]: where you need, I don't know exactly what I should have done in my situation because I've never experienced it. 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I might have protocols, I don't know, but I've wondered my question was to help me, and he was so happy, and that's usually what you look for for babies on the 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: year as I exercise, I'm not making this make sure he heard me and it's all the check-up things like the doctor told me and so on and just I'm going to think or maybe he was just changing. 25:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So, once two of our data has been how long was it before you started working? 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, I logged on, stop my hands, because I'm a real person with my hands, they know almost everything about my life. 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I logged on to try to describe them about everything that was going on. 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't follow on, start working, and it's still three, four days. 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: later, but it wasn't really working. 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It was more logical on my cam, waiting a few hours, it's not really paying attention to anyone in the log top. 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They just started becoming more fit. 25:46 [SPEAKER_02]: How long after data pass was it before you posted new photos or a video or anything like that? 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so. 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really post school on, and you'd follow them at a person's picture fainted the next day because someone asked for it, but I've been reading pictures of videos very rarely I do. 26:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The photos are in photos or videos that you took to it yourself laughing, so are expressing yourself where they've done before after the day it was born. 26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: After, okay, and where are you stored at? 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: because it didn't take you as a hush in my cool husk about I believe. 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: has all of my photos on it. 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't gone through it because there's pictures of David and I'm not ready to turn. 27:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Over 49 days on Willis Avenue, the diverse coming off data handcock would have been dry day after day and a house where two adults were changing him. 27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The quiet is what carried the seven weeks on Willis Avenue. 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: A baby who has been hungry long enough 27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The quiet is the body triaging, shutting down a demand it can no longer fund, a silent baby reads as a settled baby, and in starvation that reading is inverted, and all of it is visible. 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: A child starving over seven weeks does not look like a child who was finding yesterday. 27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: A parent lifting him a dozen times a day, feels the weight going out of him. 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And anyone notices a bag of groceries getting lighter between the car and the door. 28:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Steven William said as much to the detectives, he told them he thought the baby had lost some weight. 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He was right. 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He looked in his son, correctly identified what was happening to him, and did nothing about it. 28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He explained why, and afraid the state of Oregon wrote into a charging document. 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He did not call a doctor, he said, because that was a man's responsibility. 28:29 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so by I said earlier, we got some preliminary results regarding the autopsy and preliminary, it just means basically we don't know the labs and blood work yet, but the state, I don't know what it has, you know, in the autopsy and, you know, basically made other information based on the autopsy. 28:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So, there's a lot of things that you tell me that in our garden, the feeding, regarding the diaper use, the number of diapers, the number of poop diapers, and things I kind of let off to January 22nd that based on the time to take portion of it and the just not necessarily 29:27 [SPEAKER_02]: that I believe to be an actor, okay? 29:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And the reason being is the call of death for a set of places we start today, okay? 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And the method of anger and the chiefs on all of these chiefs, but he's a doctor and a doctor and a doctor. 29:54 [SPEAKER_02]: and prove that based on the autopsy and we're going to have a look like when it's that's the way. 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I also wrote my son's favorite version because they wanted a second-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent-cent- 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: the plastics for that. 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And now we have to remove it my time. 30:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish that I have a second moment because I didn't have a second of her. 30:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you did, and you're trying to take your son head, 0-5-0-0, you wait approximately, or is it 70-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 30:37 [SPEAKER_02]: One second, once he got to the medical examiner's office, I can't make a sort of way to progress here. 30:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So I know when it's possible to get to the EME way of health, after the fact he was appointed for a 5.7 ounces pay when that was born, he was a 5.12 ounces weigh in 2.8 pounds, she being the state medical examiner, weighed him in all foxy, he weighed about 1.3 ounces, 31:06 [SPEAKER_02]: point, and Alice's list, then, are facing not Alice's list, and what do you weigh when you was born? 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: She was easy. 31:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, she wasn't a meeting enough, and yet, he had nothing, nothing whatsoever. 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're just known you're treating me, nope. 31:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I've had your mouth tested, haters know, their size, no nothing in your mouth. 31:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So, there was nothing going on. 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew he could hear anything. 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I knew he was texting me. 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I was meeting, but he gave me a chair, and I had no one on my phone even. 31:49 [SPEAKER_02]: There was nothing inside his intestines. 31:52 [SPEAKER_02]: When he, from the old house, he was done. 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry. 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know how many of these things they see on the phone. 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: All the time. 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I think was going on. 32:02 [SPEAKER_02]: You may have followed your faith in, and maybe he was feeling familiar. 32:06 [SPEAKER_02]: But for the fact that you're using your little to make my mouth up. 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't show it, so I don't know. 32:13 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but you didn't sell it. 32:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But you are using your meals. 32:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Sells. 32:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Where he's lacking basically to make money on the camera. 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And even said you wasted some of the meal by squirting on the house or 32:29 [SPEAKER_02]: or a blanket or whatever. 32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I figured when I'll make money for something that has to do with anyways, you have to know yourself who you're best in. 32:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You're right, but what is that? 32:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You're producing a meal for what? 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I was producing the meal for him. 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just eating meat for it to keep that cooked. 32:45 [SPEAKER_02]: For basically wasting his food, that honestly... 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I was eating the meal that I would produce into the bowl. 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I had some kind of a toast you wouldn't have figured it or told at all this time. 32:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, when we went there, we found no real in bottles, no nothing we found water. 33:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Even, I mean, you can argue with me on this point, but... 33:06 [SPEAKER_02]: You're in back words at the hospital, why you were hoping to detect a brief of what they you had not produced milk for the last three weeks and you just started coming back within a year. 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 33:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Within a last three days. 33:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 33:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And in your mentioned videos, you're making your taking photos of you lactating to sell that for money. 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So that I can see my bills. 33:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end, 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not seeing it, you know, if you're doing something like a few trips every one and one of the people on me, you want a free and blender to help. 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But how do I know that? 33:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I know it all helps you set up on your son. 33:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I know they all helps you set up on your son. 33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I know they all helps you set up on your son's son's son to death. 33:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you did. 33:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't feed him enough. 33:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if muscles he had already started, but if his muscles had started deteriorating, because that's why he was feeding off of. 34:04 [SPEAKER_02]: again nothing this is going to eat. 34:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand him. 34:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He needs time spent putting it in him. 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So he needs tools and please set it by he never asked for more. 34:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're talking to the doctors. 34:21 [SPEAKER_02]: This, this, since I'm coming to that, the hand over 34:37 [SPEAKER_02]: and the day before he passed when he was passing, right? 34:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He was giving up. 34:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I said, that's when he passed away. 34:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can't sit here and look at the picture when he was born. 34:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So the picture that he was passed away. 34:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And look at that baby and see that that's the same baby. 35:00 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't look at that. 35:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if I need to press one of these tall footprints, you can show you, and just freeze a look at the difference. 35:09 [SPEAKER_02]: For when he was born, selfie, has to go lucky baby. 35:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So when he's laying in the back of the ambulance, has passing away, you can't say that the same baby. 35:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't say he was getting better enough. 35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Just by looking at him, he's feeding him that much, he's like, come on. 35:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But looking at him, 35:29 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't see her and how many of that in our room? 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: How many seating and not as much as I could? 35:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I hear you, but answer my question, in our room. 35:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Did that look like the same baby when he was born? 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the name of the day in the last case? 35:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Faith is dead, I'm fine. 35:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about the same structure. 35:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You're looking at the same healthy. 35:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't say that. 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the train, so I can get in and see you. 36:02 [SPEAKER_02]: You need me, you want me to show you the picture you want? 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: See you later. 36:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Thursday, January 22, 2015. 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We're in in Glundale the same as the days before it. 36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Wet and dark and slow to line. 36:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The light gone again by half past four. 36:17 [SPEAKER_00]: The night the baby stopped breathing. 36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: What the neighbor's experience was a young woman at the door in the dark. 36:24 [SPEAKER_00]: One of them told a local reporter afterward that the girl came running over, banged on the door, and started screaming that her baby was not breathing. 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever else can be said about Amanda Haydencock, that is what she did when she found him. 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: She ran to a stranger's house and screamed. 36:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the fastest she had moved on his behalf in 49 days. 36:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Douglas County emergency communications took the call and ambulance and a sheriff's deputy were dispatched to the 800 block of Willis Avenue and somebody began CPR on a seven-week-old boy and rented a house in a timber town. 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It did not work and it could not have. 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The medics found the infant unresponsive to treatment. 37:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was declared dead at the scene in the house he had lived his entire life in all 49 days of it. 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The people compressing his chest were performing a ritual on a body that had been failing for weeks in front of two adults. 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: For the emergency crews at that hour, this was a dead infant of unknown cause. 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Babies are found not breathing in this country every day of the year in loving houses. 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: For reasons nobody can control. 37:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The first assumption on that scene was almost certainly the merciful one. 37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Deputies do not walk into a house on Willis Avenue in January, expecting to find what they found. 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The body went north to the state medical examiner's office in Portland. 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: In the air, the merciful assumption ended. 37:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The autopsy found that the child had starved to death. 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Starvation writes itself into a body in ways of pathologists can read directly. 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The fat that should cushion an infant's organs is gone, including the last reserves of body surrenders. 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And a medical examiner does not reach starvation quickly. 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Listener, because the differentials matter, menabolic disorders can provide a fed infant from thriving, and so can cardiac defects, and it doesn't rare conditions that leave a baby wasting in a house where the parents did everything right. 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Those had to be excluded first. 38:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The Oregon State Medical Examiner's office excluded them. 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The investigation that followed was no who'd done it. 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: There was no mystery about who had been responsible for the boy. 38:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Only the question of what the adults had known, and what they had done, it took a month. 38:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The County Medical Examiner and the Sheriff's Detectives worked at joyingly through the back half of winter. 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: During that month, Amanda Hancock and Stephen Williams went on living on Willis Avenue with their two-year-old, and a town that was raising money for them, then the detectives went and asked them. 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: In February of 2015, Amanda Hancock and Stephen Williams sat down separately with detectives from Douglas County Sheriff's Office and built a record that convicted them. 39:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They were not hostile. 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They did not lawyer up and go silent. 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They answered at length. 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And what they produced was a portrait of a household in which the care of an infant had been assigned disgust and then simply not performed. 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Amanda Hancock told investigators that she self-lactated for money, the milk existed. 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It was produced on a schedule and quantities sufficient to sustain a paying subscription. 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And by her own statement, it was directed deliberately as something that was not the vessel used to feed her son. 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The distance between the milk and the baby was a matter of feet in a matter of choice. 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: She described that choice herself to police without any sign that she understood what she intended them. 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: They both said they had fed him, multiple ounces of milk, multiple times a day. 39:54 [SPEAKER_00]: William's gave the detectives a sentence that has followed the final ever since. 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He had noticed the weight loss. 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He had not called a doctor because colon the doctor was Amanda's job. 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the agreement they had made. 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the coverage treated that as a monstrous thing to say. 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It is worse than monstrous. 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's bureaucratic. 40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It is the language of Amanda describing a division of labor. 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: the tone used to explain who handles the trash and who handles the recycling, applied to the survival of the seven-week-old. 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He believed he was explaining, rather than confessing, prosecutors charged both with murder by abuse, alleging extreme in difference to human life, in causing data's death through neglect and maltreatment, they added first-degree criminal mistreatment in four counts of endangering the welfare of a minor. 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The rest came on the 7th of February at the House on Willis Avenue, 26 days after the death, booking photographs were released by the sheriff's office that day, and they ran on every wire story in the country by Thursday. 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The next day, 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They both appeared in Douglas County Circuit Court, in Roseburg before Judge Stephen Titkin, who denied them bail and authorized Corps appointed council. 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Neither entered a plea, deputy district attorney, Shannon Sullivan, declined to say anything further. 41:15 [SPEAKER_00]: A grand jury would hear the charges the following week. 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The two-year-old brother was taken into protective custody. 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He had shared those 49 days with data in the same room under the same arrangement. 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the only person in these pages who survived the household, and he is owed the anonymity of an ordinary childhood. 41:35 [SPEAKER_00]: For 26 days between the 22nd January and the 17th February, Glendale believed a different story. 41:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What the town understood was that a young couple would recently moved in had lost a newborn. 41:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That is all anyone knew in a town of 800 and some people in a county with a child poverty raid near 30 percent, closed around the family and began paying for things, neighbors came forward with money, a southern Oregon community forum noted afterward that Glendale people had covered the couple's water in sewage bill. 42:09 [SPEAKER_00]: so they would not have to worry while they buried their son. 42:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Online condolences came from strangers. 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Friends who had known them in California, posted prayers in offers of help. 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Brittany England, who said she had known Williams her whole life, described him publicly as one of the most caring people she knew. 42:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The town didn't nothing wrong here, just to make that clear. 42:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Every one of those people acted correctly on the information of Anombo, a baby had died in the parents were poor, and paying a utility bill for a grieving family is one of the more decent things in this story. 42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And during those same 26 days, Amanda Hancock continued raising money using the milk her son would ever taste again. 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Then, on the 18th of February, the arrest hit the wire, the associated press moved to story with the word starvation and pornography in the same sentence, and it went national inside a day. 43:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The tabloid coverage that followed cared almost exclusively about the camera, ran the word fetish in its headlines, treated the child as the hook, the coverage got the proportions backwards. 43:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Plenty of people sell what a man to Hancock's own, almost none of them let their baby starve in the next room. 43:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Pornography is context. 43:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The starvation is what mattered. 43:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The state got its conviction. 43:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The county was spared a trial, and the record of what happened on Willis Avenue, closed at the Wavelov and affidavit in a plea form. 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephen Williams tweeted not guilty in March of 2015 to murder, first Greek criminal mistreatment, in the foreign dangerment counts, as of the reporting around Hancock's conviction in June of 2016, he was scheduled for his own jury trial in April of 2017. 43:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What happened at the end of that road is not in the accessible public record. 43:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The Roseberg paper that covered the case through 2016, 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Under Oregon's measure of 11 more, his specific charge carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years to life in prison. 44:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Amanda Hancock served 10 years in the Oregon Department of Corrections. 44:16 [SPEAKER_00]: She was scheduled for release in February of 2025. 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: She weigh in at 23. 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: She came out at 33. 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Her body never stopped. 44:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Amanda Hancock's milk did not dry up. 44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: For 49 days, her body did precisely the work it is built to do. 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Generating the exact substance her son required. 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the one thing she could give him that nobody else could. 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And every day she pointed it somewhere else. 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The mechanism was crore or stil. 44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: They starving infant stops crying. 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So even the reflex that would have called for the milk went quiet in that house. 44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Subscribers paid to watch that milk, reliably enough that it was the house holds income, right through the seven weeks, and even after, their son was the one customer who could not pay, and could not leave, and could not complain. 45:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Do not let the word neglect soften it, listener. 45:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Neglect suggests absence. 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: This was a daily act. 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: In Glendale, the rain comes back every November, blackening the fur at the ridges above a town that lost its mill and kept its people. 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Somewhere under that weather, is a small grave paid for by photographs and videos. 45:28 [SPEAKER_00]: The first food a human being is offered is by his mother. 45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Data Hancock's substance was offered to a market instead.
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