0:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a voice today guys. 0:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, me too. 0:08 [SPEAKER_00]: For the most part. 0:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been very... 0:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I can hear it. 0:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I can hear it since I have headphones on now, but I can hear it. 0:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I sound different, Kim? 0:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You're a little... Just a little mace. 0:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Who is who? 0:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, guys. 0:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, that low. 0:26 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Josh. 0:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Josh. 0:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you go get your coffee? 0:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I feel attacked right now, Kim. 0:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I almost can't. 0:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to tell you something. 0:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh says all the time how he's turning into dad. 0:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And I realized today is I was making this ice coffee. 0:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think I'm turning to him too. 0:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, that's me working. 0:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 0:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Could you drink coffee all day long? 0:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That. 0:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And you remember how dab would wash, paper, and plastic. 0:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 0:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Primal does, too. 0:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 0:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 1:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've had, I have had this, this plastic, 1:08 [SPEAKER_01]: plastic cup from seven brew from seven brew for about ten days on my lord and but I'm not dirty like I thought you said I wash it real with really how were you that you have up there I would lots rather I said I would feel a attack and I knew that this would happen I would lots rather have it be in a steel you know something that's going to keep it cold instead of the ice melting and I would do that but 1:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it keeps that out of the landfill for a little while longer, even though it's going there regardless, I've insuredly. 1:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But the longer you use it, the more like plastic nanoparticles are getting, that's why water bottles have an expiration date because that is certain point. 1:54 [SPEAKER_02]: The plastic degrades. 1:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, but the thing is, I think it's just a mind game. 2:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it has to be a mind game. 2:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But whenever I make these coffees, 2:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like you went there and got it. 2:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it makes it better and there's something that it just tastes a little different. 2:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It just tastes a little better. 2:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But you also have to understand that I make a replica. 2:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is the blondie with caramel drizzle. 2:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 2:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But they have there. 2:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They exact to sugar free replica. 2:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I put it in a tumbler, 2:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't quite taste the same, but there's something about putting it into this cup that I'm like, okay, and that's a mental thing. 2:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It has to be just the feel of that. 2:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it changes like the flavor that you're picking up. 2:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And I get that because the regular tumblers, the thick ones, you know, they're what we have in our cabinets. 2:45 [SPEAKER_02]: They, I don't know the thickness of it. 2:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there's just something about it. 2:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like every time I get like seven words or something like that, I'm usually on my way home or to do something. 2:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I'm going out to do something, then I'll take a tumbler with me and put my coffee in my tumbler so it stays colder. 3:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Or when I get home, I'll put it in a tumbler. 3:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on to him. 3:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I get what you're saying about it staying colder. 3:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't sip our drink for hours and hours. 3:18 [SPEAKER_01]: This thing will be done in about an hour. 3:21 [SPEAKER_02]: No, one of those with last few days. 3:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could keep that in mind. 3:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd have it at 6 p.m. 3:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I would. 3:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I almost stopped as good as on my way in. 3:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, nope, the time I do that. 3:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so expensive. 3:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have to stop on the way home and go the bathroom. 3:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I stopped. 3:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've, I'm only like, 3:40 [SPEAKER_02]: down to one cup of coffee in the morning, like that's all the coffee I drink and last been nice. 3:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And last week I'm on Redland. 3:48 [SPEAKER_02]: The rest of the time I'm still drinking. 3:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's I noticed the more caffeine I was drinking, the worse my anxiety got. 3:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So I... 3:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Like all I do is warm up a coffee to wake up in the morning and then the rest of the day water see I made the mistake of the last time that I have certain coffees that I like and I made the mistake last time I was getting really close to be it out and it was right before him gave birth So I didn't know when we were gonna get to go back to BJs because they have like a 4:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Caramel coffee that I like so like they sell it. 4:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it's in a bag. 4:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay It's a bag of coffee. 4:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you meant like they had a coffee shop there And I'm like when I went with you bitch you didn't tell me about that It's like their store brand coffee that's like caramel flavored So I like it a lot. 4:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't know when we'd be going again So I was all the and I thought I'm just gonna get some coffee here. 4:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It can't be that much difference. 4:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You know 4:40 [SPEAKER_01]: the different brands and again I don't know it's hard for me to tell like when things are name-brand and there's an off-brand sometimes I can't tell a difference but I'm like I'm no. 4:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah there's something about it and I don't know how much of it is a mind game and how much if it's real. 4:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a bit generic Q-tips. 4:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Q-tips, toilet paper, none of that. 5:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a buy toilet paper. 5:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This is so funny. 5:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't my thought of you because you're trash. 5:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was at my, I was at my or the other day. 5:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had to get toilet paper and, you know, some time because it's been so cold here in Northern Indiana, I don't take my little precious puppies outside. 5:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll use a pot of paper and there goes the number two on the pot of paper. 5:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I used toilet paper to pick it up, right? 5:28 [SPEAKER_01]: One tired of these dogs, whooping, and me wasting my precious apartment, it's expensive. 5:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, you got generic toilet paper, just for the dog. 5:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did, but I got the same pepper toilet paper that you get, Kim. 5:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And I started thinking about you. 5:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I get it. 5:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It was so cheap. 5:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It was. 5:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I get what beach I had. 5:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Well prior to that, you had got, you used, wasn't an angel soft. 5:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I got. 5:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I get the blue charm and the ultra soft. 5:59 [SPEAKER_01]: See, I like the ultra soft. 6:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I just have a hard time spinning that much money on toilet paper. 6:03 [SPEAKER_00]: See, it's not as bad with the BJs because for the most part. 6:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Emily and I all kind of go together to get that stuff and then just kind of split it between us. 6:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 6:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not as bad as going out and buying Sherman, but in my sense, it's a little bit of sale, I don't know. 6:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I talk about it too. 6:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The Sharman I get's like $10. 6:36 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like a large iced coffee. 6:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather go without like one coffee drink than have to wipe my ass with sandpaper. 6:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus it takes less. 6:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 6:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, it's like dark food. 6:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not a dark food. 6:51 [SPEAKER_02]: They eat more. 6:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I did try the generic blue Sherman, but it leaves Residue. 6:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Just everywhere. 7:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 7:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I know where I'm talking about. 7:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just a kid that was in your childhood. 7:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I get it. 7:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because I'm the one that cleans it. 7:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was wiping shit down a lot more off. 7:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's weird. 7:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I know exactly what you're talking about. 7:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's just this saw dust. 7:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for a paper dust, everything. 7:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they are they do. 7:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping I can get to BJ's this week and get me some good coffee. 7:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I don't know what I'm going to do with that coffee that I bought because I'm not going to drink it. 7:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I did realize I am more uppity than the average, like where I work. 7:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little room. 7:32 [SPEAKER_01]: A little blue collar. 7:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 7:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And like I brought like my own hands. 7:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So for the bathroom because I didn't like the way there's a bright like air fresheners to plug it. 7:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Like wallflowers to plug into this stuff. 7:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I used to do that when I worked it. 7:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Please, I'm there eight hours a day. 7:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to, you know, I wanted to be still. 7:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still smell nice. 7:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're Kim, you spend about a quarter of your time in the bathroom. 7:56 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of work together, Kim. 7:58 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I got to be clean. 8:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I went and visited Josh at work and I brought him coffee. 8:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He did. 8:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And I even put on a little special blue collar shirt. 8:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you were the best. 8:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to get in. 8:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I like drove in on my cyber truck. 8:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to get in. 8:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, who is that? 8:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, that's my brother. 8:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you don't like it, then I don't know who that is. 8:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody Dave sent me a real from, I don't know, one of the socials. 8:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of the socials I can't remember. 8:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a cop that had called in about a. 8:29 [SPEAKER_00]: dumpster sitting at the side of the road. 8:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're with this dumpster removed from the the side of the road. 8:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be a little inconvenient. 8:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about it, you know, and and talking, say, hey, you know, we need to, I tagged it. 8:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We need to come and get this. 8:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And when they pan out, it's a cyber truck. 8:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Jesus. 8:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He did it. 8:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I laughed so hard. 8:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so clever. 8:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never 8:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who's going to do the mystery today because I don't want to cut all that out. 9:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were I thought you were Kim you did not say anything about me bringing a mystery you asked me if I wanted to come So I will do the mystery 9:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also thought this may take us a while because it's 27 pages. 9:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ. 9:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 9:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So it would like to go home. 9:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I know. 9:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We're Kim. 9:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, it's 745pm. 9:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You hold on, you know, horses. 9:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's already dark outside. 9:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not good. 9:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And he darker. 9:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know it's not good. 9:34 [SPEAKER_01]: they got coffee all the way back to your house. 9:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So buckle up, buttercup. 9:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Good stuff. 9:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll be able to build that. 9:42 [SPEAKER_01]: This could be a special episode because the three of us haven't been together for a while. 9:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So this can also be our unmasked all in one just for all of our listeners. 9:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a single episode. 9:53 [SPEAKER_02]: 27 pages sweet cheeses. 9:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought 9:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll probably like the topic because I think you guys would be familiar, but as I wrote it all out, it's not like some of it's just spaced weird. 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I start printing it as you guys got here. 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, pages is this, I looked up my phone and I was like, 27. 10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow, I might have a problem. 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Now listen, next week's episode is not going to be this long. 10:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's my Instagram. 10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to get home because I am a single mom who works too jobs. 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: have you guys been watching the news? 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys watch the news? 10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So Josh may not know about been watching Bridgetin, I've been watching anything but the news or something. 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have local channels anymore. 10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't get to watch the regular news anymore. 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I just see what's on Facebook and everything else. 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: All of you listening right now. 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Kim is talking about me because I can't sort my YouTube TV and let me tell you that shit. 10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: When I first got it, it was like half the 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't blame you, I don't blame you, I don't blame you. 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: They keep emailing me, you want to join again? 11:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I saw another super bowl. 11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what really piss me off is. 11:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd seen these really cool little indoor antennas, you know, it's supposed to reach all of this way, you know, it was $40 on Amazon. 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, they had really good reviews. 11:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, OK, I can at least have my, you know, I can have my local news. 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, my local channels, plug that with the, and it did not work. 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I get a monthly station. 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I get 49 that's it. 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy, I guess who lived in Muncie at one point and didn't know they had a local channel No idea all three people with their antennas That's what Bob Ross used to be on but they used to put that stuff on Yeah, PBS all over the place though. 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You can watch it over there. 11:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Muncie has a local channel Are you sure? 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Jocelyn, you probably don't know about the abduction that happened. 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was really hoping you was going to talk about it. 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I want to talk about it so bad. 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have no one talked about it. 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew that we could hear it. 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it. 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know. 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Dye, right now. 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh is like, who we talk, so Josh, when I say the words and Nancy got through, you have no idea what I'm talking about. 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: People have asked me about it, and I've seen a picture of a man on a porch with a mask and you have no idea what it's about. 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That is perfect. 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So Josh can ask questions to maybe we'll find out. 12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Several people have worked with no, you know, we're in there like, oh my god, what do you know? 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you saying about this? 12:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, I've been working. 12:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't get off work and go home and go to sleep. 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys better buckle in because I have a feeling this is going to be better to our episode. 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully, it's also our own mess. 12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's good. 12:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought she was dead. 12:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I even put it on my notes. 12:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Ask them about Nancy Guthrie. 12:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was going to Google it when I was like, I'll just ask them content. 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's going to be interesting because we're going to have. 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we Josh, we don't know if she is still alive or if she is. 13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know that for certain. 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So far, they're just still working it as an abduction. 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The ladies I work with will love all this. 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: While they can listen to it, because it's supposed to be our episode that we're not tomorrow. 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how. 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been sick. 13:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how. 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We keep being stupid. 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Why? 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that just keeps moving. 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: What, you know she hates stuff. 13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Two-and-a-face. 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Kim. 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If you do some kegels, you'll tighten it up. 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Chopped over. 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You can really retain it. 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Think I'm going to do it. 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: OK. 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take a hand now. 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you tighten. 13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You're good and tight. 13:44 [SPEAKER_04]: You can hold. 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And hold. 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't hold too much, Kim. 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's been way too long since we've all been in this same room. 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I wanted to first treat Nancy like what I would treat any victim of a crime. 13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, before we get into the timeline of what happened, I want everyone just to learn a bit more about her, which I learned a lot about her. 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I only know just like the flat surface things that they repeat on the news. 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So Nancy was born in 1942 in Fort Wright, Kentucky. 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just South of Cincinnati, if you guys have never been there. 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So she's currently 84 years old. 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit. 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: She attended the University of Kentucky in Lexington. 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: where she worked on the student newspaper, the Kentucky colonel, and that's just a lovely name. 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That is nice. 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Is she was the society editor there? 14:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why, but knowing that she's a woman, a lady in her 80s makes me like, want to run up and go get her. 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, let's go hide her. 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's where the things that you heard Granny's. 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, wait, just bought on Josh, like you're going to learn more about her. 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It was during her time at the University of Kentucky that Nancy met Charles Guthrie on a blind date, and that's so cute. 14:56 [SPEAKER_01]: At the University of Kentucky, basketball. 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: There's used to be real popular basketball games. 15:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Blind, blind dates. 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: No, blind date. 15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's how a lot of people used to meet, you know. 15:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I know somebody needed this restaurant. 15:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Sixty and Friday. 15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how many blind dates how a Keller went on? 15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: All of them. 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't cancel me. 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's late. 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had a lot of coffee. 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's going to complain. 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Leave a review. 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, well, by her own account, she told friends immediately after that blind date at the basketball game that she was going to marry him. 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Charles was a Georgia Tech graduate from Pineville, Kentucky, who worked as a mining engineer. 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The couple married on December 28th, excuse me, 1963. 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: She's 200 years old. 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: When I was working on this, I was like, I wonder if they would have known our family because of like the homining in that area. 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't too far from where her family probably had to stay relative. 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be. 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: While Charles' career as a mining engineer took the family around the world, their eldest daughter Savannah was born in Melbourne, Australia. 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not know that. 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1971, where Charles was stationed there for work, the family eventually settled in Tucson, Arizona in approximately 1975 where Nancy has lived in the same Catalina 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: In 1988, Charles died suddenly of a heart attack, while on a mining exploration trip in Mexico, that's always a fear of mind of going out of the country and dying. 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, especially in a mine, or I guess, like in the mine area. 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you say, 88? 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what's his name? 16:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Morgan Freeman. 16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He wears a gold earring. 16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I see. 16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He dies somewhere. 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He can afford. 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they can like get a cast. 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get his body over. 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's a fence. 16:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he wears like a gold earring. 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a. 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That is cool. 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like they hire it. 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Pirates used to do that. 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they used to have a spent of jewelry. 17:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they die. 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They can have a. Yeah, they can pay for a favor. 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Nancy was approximately 46 years old and in 88 when Charles died and their daughter Savannah was just 16. 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So Nancy raised her three children as a single mother from that point forward and never remarried. 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's lived alone in the family house for decades. 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Nancy built a distinguished 17-year career at the University of Arizona, working there from 1990 until her retirement on January 1, 2007. 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Her roles included the spokesperson for University Medical Center, Nancy served as the public communications lead for the University's hospital system, 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: She was also the associate to the vice president of University Advancement, and that was a senior administrative role, Nancy supported fundraising, and institutional development efforts. 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: She was also the center stage program creator. 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: She created and managed the center stage program which brought monthly musical performances to hospital staff, patients, and visitors. 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was so cool. 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This was actually one of the first early examples of arts and health care 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, what about that? 18:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She also founded and ran Medcamp. 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a program that introduced Arizona High School students to the medical field, which helped build the next generations interest in healthcare careers. 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Nancy is described by her friends, neighbors, and her church community as warm, active, and a deeply connected member of the Tucson community. 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: she's a regular churchgoer and her failure to appear for an online church surface on the morning of February 1st is what started raising alarms about her absence because she wasn't used to missing any of those. 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was actually online. 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It was an online. 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, since COVID, she only attended church online but despite living alone, Nancy maintained close relationships with her children and was 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: She was known to host family gatherings and was dropped off at home the day that she was last seen by her son-in-law after such a gathering the evening before her abduction. 19:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Now some important factors for Nancy is her health and medical vulnerabilities. 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Nancy's health status is critical and it's an urgent factor in the case. 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: She's of course 84 years old. 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Nancy has limited mobility and lives with chronic pain. 19:34 [SPEAKER_01]: She has a pacemaker with the connected phone application that monitors her heart activity. 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Most critically, she requires daily medication that her family has described as potentially fatal if missed. 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Savannah Guthrie stated publicly that her mother lives in constant pain and depends on that medication to survive. 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It is. 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Nancy's pacemaker app disconnected from her phone at approximately 228 a.m. on February 1st, roughly 45 minutes after the doorbell camera was tampered with, suggesting that she was separated from her phone or the device was destroyed around the time of the abduction. 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know if the phone was destroyed or if it was just left intact, that's something the police has never shared. 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But we know that the perpetrator supposedly didn't take it with them. 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Understanding the Guthrie family is also an important context for the case as the abduction is widely believed to be connected to the family's public profile through Savannah Guthrie. 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: She is a very prominent television journalist. 20:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit. 20:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 20:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: That's. 20:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Savannah Guthrie. 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Savannah is the co-incre of NBC's today show. 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is of 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the reasons why it's, I think there's really two reasons why like this has been an all encompassing new story. 21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one because she is the mom of Savannah and she has been on the today show with her. 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think even as recently as the end of last year, she had done some stuff with her and they even went to her house like her family home. 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit. 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So that I think that's like having a public appearance is one one thing. 21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The second thing is, because of her age, it's very rare that someone would ever get abducted. 21:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of other mysterious things that have happened during this whole case that is really weird. 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But in addition to Savannah, who everyone knows, she has another daughter named Annie Guthrie. 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a writer, poet, and a jeweler based in Tucson. 21:44 [SPEAKER_01]: She published a poetry collection titled The Good Dark. 21:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was one of the family members directly contacted by Derek Kalella in his alleged ransom, hoax scheme. 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: This was a letter that was sent. 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They found out who actually that was the one that got arrested early on. 22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Just a long day and that was trying to 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anytime someone disappears, you guys scams and this is one of those she also has a son named Charles Guthrie He's known as Cameron. 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He served as an F-16 fighter pilot with the Vermont Air National Guard She has a son-in-law name Tomasso 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Thomas so and this was Annie's husband and he was the last person to see her on that that we know the night before. 22:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah between 9.45 and 9.50pm and that was January 31st that he dropped off after dinner. 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: and just a little bit about the area that she lived in because it's such a unique area and like when people around the nation hear people go missing or whatever, I feel like we always just picture them missing from our neighborhood and we like start to like, why didn't they do this? 22:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I always think of like just an average suburban neighborhood that they were abducted from, like you see in the movies like us. 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 23:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But the neighborhood is in the Catalina Foot Hills. 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an unincorporated census designated community in Arizona. 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's situated in the foot hills of the Santa Catalina Mountains, north of Tucson. 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an affluent, secluded, it does it area with a population of approximately 53,000 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: In a median age of 56, homes in the area are typically situated on lots of one acre or more, meaning that residences are spaced out and there's a typically a significant distance between you and your neighbor. 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The terrain is really rocky desert with native vegetation. 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know why, but when I think of desert until I got out there and I actually saw like what does it look like in Arizona, I always just thought that like you could see for far distances. 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then son you can, but in the kind of liter of foothills, it's just a lot of vegetation that's just cactus and stuff. 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you're like if you're standing on her porch, you're not going to be able to see a neighbor's home. 24:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just very secluded. 24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But the area's occlusion is really a double edged sword in this case. 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It does provide privacy and quiet for their residents, but it doesn't provide security. 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why in cases like this, there are fewer witnesses and other people's cameras don't pick up what happens at your property. 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's like everybody has a picket fence around there. 24:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But a good understanding of this is here recently, and this is just like trash, but a pizza delivery driver recently, just a couple of days ago, was able to get to Nancy's front door without anyone noticing. 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Mind you. 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There are a ton of police FBI, there are a ton of news agencies, like lined up in front of the property and like constantly broadcasting. 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But because that whole area so secluded, there was a creator doing like YouTube videos and stuff. 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was hungry and he ordered pizza and he had it delivered at the house address. 25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The pizza die comes has no idea, drives right up to the house. 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: goes up to the door and is there a delivery of this pizza, of course, and that did not go over well. 25:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It was that influencer. 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be smacked. 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not given him a name, but you can probably find it on. 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure. 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He should have been arrested because that should have been. 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he should have been home. 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, investigators found evidence of forced entry at the home along with blood stains that they did a DNA match back to Nancy. 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The blood stains were found on 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Where was the force entry yet? 25:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that there's a thing. 25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so my memory, and I may have wrote it down in here, but I don't know if they told us exactly where the force entry was, but I do remember hearing reports that the back door was wide open when the police got there. 26:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm, okay. 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Now this is what gets me about rich people. 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: She had all these nest cameras. 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: These Google Nest cameras. 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But she didn't pay for the subscription. 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... just like dummy cameras what no you couldn't you could there were real you can log in and you can look out of them but if you don't pay for the subscription they don't save to the cloud so you can't like go back and look at video 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But this perpetrator took with him the camera off the front, off the the doorbell camera. 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's just really weird to think that for the first time Google was able to access some of the footage for the first time. 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but well, it's because it's supposed like if you don't pay for the subscription, it's supposed to go, 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It goes to their servers, but their servers aren't going to save it. 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So it will be set up to resave over exactly. 26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 26:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys see the new, I think it's, it might be a nest or another front door camera ring. 27:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I think possibly ring, they have a new thing. 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It's using AI technology. 27:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like an ad for the Super Bowl. 27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I read about it. 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God. 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Where, like, say you lost a dog, you could go in on their app. 27:19 [SPEAKER_02]: wherever you go to search for something on there and type in like the dog and what you're looking for and able to use AI and like all the ring cameras and like a few mile radius to scan for the lost dog. 27:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So you know you can use other people's door cameras to find your lost dog. 27:48 [SPEAKER_02]: high school girls or, you know, and I, yeah, I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that. 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I get the good implication for it. 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But there were more examples of bad ones. 28:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, oh, yeah, maybe let's not do that. 28:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not. 28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have blank, which is an Amazon product, and there was an update that came out. 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, dude. 28:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Tim Kim knows about this. 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't, too. 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't notify you. 28:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They do nothing randomly updates one day. 28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: App updates, fine, great, perfect. 28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I like when it updates. 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I had an Amazon delivery driver come to my house. 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was not here. 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, I get the certification that comes across on my watch. 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And it says, man with package. 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: at front door and I'm like oh my god man with a package like this is crazy and then I get another Texas says Amazon delivery leaving house and I was like what in the world is this? 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And so if it knows that it's Amazon, it will tell you, but like there are non-discripped Amazon delivery sometimes and they'll come in a van and they'll never come in a van at my house. 29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they do here. 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And so here I'll get a text that says red van person getting out of vehicle. 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I like to just update you throughout the entire process of them being here. 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: God, I could never mind it be like tall bearded man here to clap cheeks. 29:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I knew Kim got here because it was like, troll, just a bridge troll. 29:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a bridge, a bridge. 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're talking about, I take Ziggy out. 29:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes, mine will say, brown fox, walking on the paint area, brown fox. 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the AR is funny because it is funny. 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It will tell you the actions that they're taking. 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They're really freaked me out the first time, too. 29:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us what the crap is this. 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I think at first, there was an update for a while that it would tell you that it spots a person. 29:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 29:53 [SPEAKER_00]: See, I didn't, I never even had that. 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was like a two day window, but before it was like getting super specific. 30:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Tall, fairy, prancing to the front door. 30:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's what mindset when you're at your job, from weird. 30:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Loaded all. 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's go into the timeline of events. 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's important, so Josh, Kim and I, we are in Indiana, so we're on Eastern Time, Northern Indiana. 30:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Why am I? 30:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh time. 30:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's so true. 30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And in Arizona, we're going to be talking about mountain standard time. 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah. 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: There are two hours behind us in case you didn't know that. 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So the time leading up to the, the abduction, that's what they're called, the pre-abduction. 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: This is January 11th to the 31st. 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So on Saturday, January 11, there was a possible surveillance activity. 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So the County Sheriff's Department in the area specifically requested everyone to look at your security camera footage, especially if you were in that neighborhood, from the date of January 11th, which is three weeks before the abduction, all the way to the abduction. 31:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So this request from the police focuses the timeline between a window of 9 p.m. to midnight, specifically that they're wanting everyone to look at and say if anybody was lurking and I'm my guess is that they have some footage or some people who have reported people looking into windows and stuff and so they're like trying to figure out if anyone else caught those type of things. 31:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Reaper alert. 31:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wrote down here in fact that because they're specifically asking for that, they likely have received information about suspicious activity between that time period, leading up to the abduction, but they have not disclosed what specific event or evidence triggered that request. 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The January 11 date is significant because it suggests premeditation. 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So like because they're asking for this information, if they can link any of that activity leading up to the state to this perpetrator, if they, and they have the video of what he looks like now, of course. 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So if it matches up, that was a just 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: pre-meditation. 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So this guy could have been practicing. 32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And if he's looking at all these other places, that would suggest that Nancy may not have been targeted because of Savannah, it she may have been targeted because he was laying in wait and watching people and may have saw wealthy vulnerable. 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, living alone, definitely. 32:30 [SPEAKER_02]: unless the band again three set a lot of negative things about maybe a certain high up government officials. 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think that she has, I mean, because the today show is very, not like they don't normally get into all of that. 32:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're more like happier. 32:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like people in the morning don't only want to hear about the, that's evening news, but before you go to bed, here's some shit going on. 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I did see the reports of this. 32:59 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a suspicious vehicle that that had been cited between 9 30 and 11 AM on January 31. 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: This was the morning of her being less seen. 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: She would be abducted that night. 33:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Further, this report was a just pre-meditation, maybe the person was driving around, looking and surveilling. 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: If that same individual or the vehicle was 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, two weeks prior, it would establish a pattern of stalking behavior. 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that Nancy was dropped off at approximately 9.50pm, the camera was tampered with on her front porch at 147am. 33:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So the abductor would have been waiting about four hours before she arrived home, before they made their move. 33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, I mentioned that the camera that you see the video footage and the pictures of the man, the mask, which let me tell you, if I was, like, how am I, let me be honest, I was about to say dead asleep, but I realized like that's probably not a good thing to say when you're talking about someone who disappeared. 34:10 [SPEAKER_01]: and someone came up on me, looking like that, I would have a heart attack and I would die. 34:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I probably would have two. 34:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there would be no coming back from that. 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that, I would be scared to death. 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd test the waters first. 34:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh would be naked and be like, come on, boy. 34:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't be the first time in a man in a mask is coming to my friend, or like, wrong now. 34:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Over here, dumbass. 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Now this is real interesting so before we came up here and they may have released this before him left, I don't know, but the FBI like set up this tent in front of the house and it was because they were using technology to try to analyze as much as they could about that video, about the person in the video. 34:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So they actually were able to come up with his height between 35:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that'll cut it. 35:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't cut the witness. 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not me, it's not me. 35:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's not me. 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't be me. 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't be me. 35:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Six foot nine people are part of his sharing. 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, in the video, you'll see that he's wearing a ski mask. 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like he's wearing a black jacket, a light card pants, and vinyl gloves. 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He's carrying a black 25-liter Ozark Trailhiker pack, which is a backpack that appears full and loaded. 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He's wearing a front hoistered handgun that's visible. 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: His person is right between his. 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: if it's a man. 35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a friend of his. 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The individual has seen holding a flashlight in his mouth. 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like while attempting to cover the camera lens with his beloved hand with plant material that he ripped off the yard, the cameras then disconnected and disabled. 36:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Now when I look at this video, you can quickly tell that there's something we're about the gloves, that gloves he has on are not your typical, let me purchase these gloves at Walmart. 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They are a thicker plastic, like a thicker, not plastic, but it's like that thicker material. 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But it looks like because he gets up close to the camera to cover it. 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like that he's doubled them. 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it looks like it's more than one. 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And what's really crazy. 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: and scary, is that like when you pay attention to the video, let me know only as he fully covered, but it looks like he has gone out of his way to like seal around everything. 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And O DNA. 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So like the gloves, gloves. 36:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You put one glove on to hide the fingerprints and then you put another gloves to hide the fingerprints on the glove. 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they find gloves? 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't I see somewhere they found them? 36:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll talk about it. 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So in that video, 37:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it does kind of look like he's done that, but does it look like there might be a tattoo? 37:06 [SPEAKER_01]: People have said that, but it's so hard to tell. 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can tell it looks like there's something. 37:11 [SPEAKER_01]: However, 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: if I'm right and saying that he it looked like he had it to go to round it could have been electricians tape it could have been black or electricians tape and that's typically what you'd find like it looked like there he was wearing something to like tighten around but the tape would prevent 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, that's just a secure step. 37:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So I could see that happening. 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that you would be able to actually be able to tell of and the the problem I have was saying, oh yeah, it must be a tattoo is like if they find someone who doesn't have a tattoo, you don't want to roll them out because it was tape. 37:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that like he went through all of that to prevent that much of a chance of DNA is crazy. 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was going to do something bad. 38:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: that he took the camera like those cameras don't record natively, so he had to have had some knowledge if he takes the camera then his thought and at the time it would have been accurate that as long as that's not uploading to the cloud, if I take it with me they can't get access to it. 38:22 [SPEAKER_01]: which was accurate. 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You could not. 38:24 [SPEAKER_01]: This was the first time in my experience in knowledge of the camera company being able to actually locate. 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that they probably would have used AI, like they would have had their top technicians, this is, you know, and went in and was able to retrieve what that footage would have sent out before it was recorded over because he probably actually heard himself by undoing it right then because of what had been recording over anything. 38:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a lot of planning going into this. 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:57 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, when the FBI got the footage, 39:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They reported that within about a two hour window, they released the video in the, like, and one of the, like, I saw online that a lot of people were giving people in charge and the FBI a lot of crap in Google because they're the ones who own NEST that it took some one of a high profile for them to be able to figure out the ability to get access to that stuff. 39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause it had, you just couldn't get it. 39:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just way too difficult. 39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I see the argument of why they would have used a lot of resources to do it, because when you have kidnappers kidnapping, famous people, politicians, whatever, if they get away with it, that gives a lot of people an idea and suddenly you got all these happening and the problem with it. 39:50 [SPEAKER_01]: is that, like in this case, the ransom was $6 million dollars, and we don't know if it was real or not, but it was $6 million in Bitcoin that they were wanting. 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And the problem is that if you pay those ransoms, it goes into that crime community. 40:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so they'll use that money to then plan the next one, ask for $15 million. 40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So it just goes back, and they're going to be using it for a horrible reason. 40:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If someone kidnaps Kim, they're not going to ask for $6 million. 40:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, because I know no one does she know 10,000 and that's why they may get a quarter or something. 40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And give you a make fish. 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen a picture of like the whole front porch like the side of the porch and everything. 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so is there like bushes or something that's along the side on the inside? 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No, along the side of the porch to where because if it was me, it I was trying to do that. 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I would go to the side of the porch and stay right along the house and just. 40:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So you couldn't. 40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So the way that it so there is a front porch that's brick and by that, I mean, it's like a little square with an arch to get into it. 41:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's no windows on that porch. 41:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So when he approaches the arch, that's the only way to the front door. 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's solid, solid, solid brick. 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and he has to go through that. 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you watch the video, he comes up with his head down and everything. 41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he gets the door. 41:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew it was there. 41:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Possibly. 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that gets me is he has a full backpack. 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He seems to have planned this. 41:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be so much easier and better if he would have just quickly sprayed it with paint. 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: because then he's not reaching around grab and crap. 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not being seen and there wouldn't be that like, they would have just come up with your face down and spray that sucker with spray paint and then pop it off. 41:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that he did not do that, but he's planned all this out of the crap. 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got all this stuff on him. 42:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a damn man. 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And now there's anybody out there breaking the law. 42:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Do not get this idea from us. 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I am. 42:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that we do not condone. 42:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Why you're watching the news, the ransom thing came in and they were talking about on the news and they were interviewing all these people. 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've known this that when you have crimes like this, it typically advances the technology. 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: because they're going to work and put a lot of resources in a solving it. 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They have all these federal sources and stuff that come in and it advances it. 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So although it's sad that this stuff hasn't been used before, it will make it better for the next normal person who has this experience. 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So the issue is that with Bitcoin and with those type of coins is it's always been told that it's untraceable. 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot trace it. 42:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It typically, that's mostly correct. 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: However, the FBI has had a lot of progress. 42:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So, although it's true, they can't trace it. 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They can trace where the money's going and coming from and then 43:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They've been getting better at being able to identify how to link that wallet with the person and find you. 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So for example, Josh kidnaps Kim and he asked me for a dollar in Bitcoin. 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I send that to Josh, I have no idea who he is, you are protected. 43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: However, the moment you try to use it, you try to spend it, that's when you'll get caught because typically you'll want to convert that into cash somewhere where you can spend it. 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you do that conversion, that's when I'll find you. 43:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, awesome. 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you're going to buy something. 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: with Bitcoin at the two places in this world that will take it or I want to know those ATM Bitcoin things. 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But the moment you use it, I'll find you because then I'll be able to see surveillance or do whatever. 43:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So the moment you use it, you'll find them. 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're asked for six million, you're going to be using it somewhere. 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's typically how they would find people, but the FBI has for a long time kept that on the download because if you're dumb enough to do it, they'll find you and they 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But you had all these specialist go on there and they're like, no, I think that they'll track it. 44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought they'll track it. 44:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The moment he tries to spend, they'll track it. 44:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, around. 44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm like, if those are real. 44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing as the first bombing of the trade towers. 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They told people how to take the trade towers down. 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 44:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the bomb underneath it wasn't going to do it. 44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: They need you to attack it from the top. 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: There you go. 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me get back on track guys. 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we talked about the footage and all those things that happened at 147 AM. 44:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So at 23 AM, Nancy's pacemaker application disconnects from her phone. 44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And the way that that worked was it was a medical device and it was supposed to monitor her cardiac activity. 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: There was an app on her phone that did that. 45:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also read reports that it also connected to her watch. 45:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know which one was connected to a lot, but ultimately I think her watch would link back to her phone. 45:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The disconnection, which would tell us that Nancy was physically separated from her phone. 45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was no longer getting the service that it should have been getting. 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But that could have happened because she was taken and the film was left or the film was destroyed. 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't know at two thirty if that's when she was brought off the property or if that was when her film was destroyed because they haven't shared that information. 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is considered a key piece of digital evidence in the case that that 230 o'clock in the morning is an important timeline event. 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, about 230 AM around the same time, this is when the production is believed to have occurred, evidence of forced entry was later found at the residence, but again, I don't know that they ever have released where the forced entry was, and if you look at photos of the front porch, you'll see blood that are get tuned while. 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you pay attention, you're going to see what her front door looked like. 46:14 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a security door over the front door. 46:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, us little pal people, we got screen doors, I don't have a screen door, but there are people who have screen doors. 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: She has this like steel security door. 46:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you look at like the lock on it, I don't know that you can break that. 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's heavy duty. 46:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it looks like a cell prison door. 46:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're talking heavy steel. 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I wish that I was that famous, or I had that much money like that. 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I could be like, I will get me a heavy door. 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want, you know what, I want, I want one of those security rooms. 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, safe house. 46:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Jaffers, panic rooms. 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly, my Amazon cameras like, me and coming with gun, I'm like, 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Panic room to un-boy, okay. 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna make me some hot chocolate. 47:06 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I lock down. 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, co-dred. 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It like drops you through the floor. 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, Panic room. 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: My lock though, I'd hit it. 47:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like my dog would hit it. 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 47:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Die, horror type. 47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so blood stains were found that was linked back to Nancy on the front porch. 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was so surprised how quickly that DNA test came back again when you got money, right? 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, that thing came back like in a day and I was like, what was it just like a couple, a couple drops. 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a lot. 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it there were a decent amount of drops. 47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But okay, because all I seen was you remember when we went to crime camp, though, Kim, we get that blood spatter stuff. 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: down to do you remember what you learned, of course not. 47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you look at the blood spatter? 47:51 [SPEAKER_01]: There were two types of drops. 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: There were drops that was suggest that someone was actively bleeding, in gravity was popping it down on the ground. 48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But... Was there a smear too? 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No, there's no smears, which is good because it would suggest that she was either walking or being home. 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's one person, he wouldn't have been held in her or carrying her. 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are blood spatter that is 48:19 [SPEAKER_01]: different, also there. 48:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm wondering if it was like she would had a bloody nose or if she was spitting up blood. 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, look up a picture now because you'll see the drops on the front porch. 48:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But then you'll see like. 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I forget what it's called, but it's like a, you know, and it just reminded me of like someone coughing up blood or something, just because of how quickly and you'll see like little tiny ones in a circular pattern. 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like someone getting punched with the bloody mouth like, no, no, because if that happens, you're going to see an impact, you're going to see like this wall and then it. 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like someone's coughing, I mean, that's what I would say that looked like, but it looks like someone's like, like whatever it is. 49:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, but she's bright on blood thinners. 49:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 49:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And if she was like our grandma, which I'm guessing like someone tries to wake you up in the night, you don't come up fighting. 49:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm guessing she didn't just, you know, roll over and say, okay, I'll go quietly. 49:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she's in pain and a sleep. 49:30 [SPEAKER_02]: She's probably, you know, got several pain pills. 49:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 49:33 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a pill to sleep with. 49:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. 49:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, I mean, I say that our grandma will be fighting, but we also have called her when your 49:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Blanch, where are we going to dance? 49:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 49:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, if you came up on me like that, I probably would die first of all, heart attack boom dead, gone, or I'd be fighting. 49:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Because what she probably knows because of her relationship to Savannah and in the medical field is that if you face someone who's trying to take you to another location, you're much safer if you just fight. 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of go to the second location, 50:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I know what you're talking about. 50:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't remember. 50:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Blood spatter is what you're looking at. 50:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm looking at the blood spatter. 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So from the blood spatter, from what we learned, it looks like she was standing in one spot. 50:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. 50:26 [SPEAKER_00]: For a few minutes because there's a lot right there. 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when she started moving, 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when the drops kind of like trail. 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it makes like a trail, I can't remember. 50:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if you notice where the blood is, you'll see where the door opens. 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So she would've been standing at the doorway as my best guess. 50:49 [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't know if that was her standing there waiting for whoever to break off the camera. 50:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know the answer to that. 50:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I would think that he would have had the camera off of there before. 51:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Before going in. 51:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Before going in, at least that would have been the part thing to do when I whether that's what he did. 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Who I wonder if they're waiting on a vehicle? 51:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why would you be waiting? 51:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that is a good thought. 51:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we are so smart right here. 51:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Because in the video, like, there's no vehicles. 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, however, she set stood at that one spot for quite some time. 51:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I did notice. 51:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not seeing a lot of news coverage on this. 51:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I've seen any. 51:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at the pictures that they released, of him, they've released still pictures. 51:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And in all of the video that they've released, it's just a short section of him going up, coming back out to grab foliage and going back up and covering the camera. 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: but they've released stills of him to try to get people to recognize him. 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of those stills, he's not on the porch, it looks like he's coming back to the porch, but he does not have his backpack on, which is not in the video that they have shared. 52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So look up pictures of him, Camin, you'll see it in some of the pictures the FBI released. 52:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was wondering if it was like a picture of him going to a vehicle and coming back. 52:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you looking at pictures too, Josh? 52:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 52:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 52:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. 52:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Taco Bell's menu. 52:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha 52:45 [SPEAKER_02]: must be many many. 52:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't look very big. 52:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm going to get two of them. 52:51 [SPEAKER_02]: They got new salted caramel churros. 52:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not seeing that machine. 52:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, keep looking. 52:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You're fine, but more you're looking. 53:04 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so like I said, 147 is when the when the door came or picks up a suspect, 147 and then around 230 is when they believe the abduction likely happened because that would have been the time that her phone and watch disconnected from her. 53:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that leads us to the morning, a few hours later, Nancy doesn't appear for her online church service that she regularly watches with her friends. 53:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This was a known consistent part of her weekly routine, so her friends grew concerned when she didn't join this video call, and they were unable to reach her by phone, which was very unlike her. 53:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Around noon, Nancy Guthrie is officially reported in missing family members and friends were unable to reach her so her friends at church reached out to her family because they couldn't get a hold of her and that's when her family went to the house because they could get a hold of her either. 54:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So less than 12 hours she reported missing. 54:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 54:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome. 54:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He's standing off the foot porch. 54:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so and if you pay attention like during the video footage that did not happen and he also was wearing a backpack 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So they have to have more video than what they're thinking. 54:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That's so nice though. 54:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you just, there's so many old people that could go months without anybody checking in and less 12 hours and she's got a whole church. 54:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I know in that suite. 54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Now there was a lot of suspicion that I heard people had because they were like her of church friends report her missing. 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But people couldn't figure out, like, when you join a church online, it's gonna be like you joining out on YouTube on your TV. 54:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And people were wondering how they would have known that she wasn't there. 54:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Could have been more like a Skype type of thing. 54:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome. 54:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And typically, you're a logged in and it says when you join. 55:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So even if you're watching on YouTube, it can still show like who's viewing it. 55:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It could have a chat to or be looking chat. 55:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't know that it was YouTube. 55:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it could have been Facebook live. 55:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It could have been. 55:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sure there was a pile of church lady that watches and chats and she probably just, oh, where's Nancy? 55:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she wouldn't miss this. 55:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you're joining it with the your friends. 55:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So you would have been chatting with your friends. 55:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 55:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could see that. 55:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I could definitely see it. 55:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So her family go to the house. 55:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't see anything. 55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's when they call the police. 55:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't very long like we're talking like a 10-minute window between when they call the police and the police arriving. 55:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that was quick. 55:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was very quick. 55:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The French people. 55:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 55:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But they get to the house and they notice that she's not there and that's when they start doing the report and report her missing. 55:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I would, I was just sitting here thinking, I would have to check every nook and cranny of your house before I would report you missing. 56:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I would, in the back of my head, even when I started to panic, I'd be like, I can't be sure if he's not messing with me. 56:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't be. 56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But there were some reports that when they got to the house, there were signs. 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, right, if I saw blood, I'd be like, yes, and they probably went to the front porch. 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They were so blood. 56:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And that would have been like, well, even then I'd be like, Shane, I'm calling the cops. 56:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You better come out now. 56:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hitting dial. 56:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of you saying that at the time we were at a dad's a hide and remember we had to need the bad. 56:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't find us. 56:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So he called our grandma on our grandma came there. 56:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We were we would stop. 56:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We were the coolest thing. 56:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We were good going. 56:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't think it was funny. 56:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They were about to call the police. 56:49 [SPEAKER_02]: They did not get our he got all. 56:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We were too smart for it. 56:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you know that they've already got like a sketch. 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody has done a 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, people have put that on. 57:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people have been put on the same one as like help you can. 57:06 [SPEAKER_02]: by a sketch of your soulmate on Etsy from a psychic like probably bullshit like that. 57:12 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people have been using AI to try to come up with something like this is it from a Houston renowned artist or I don't know if he's she does stuff for like you know the police are I wouldn't take too seriously if the police didn't release it don't take it too seriously. 57:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's glad it was. 57:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well it was from the Houston crime sketch artist or it was released 57:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Houston crime sketch artist that is not the police cam. 57:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's this is how people get scam. 57:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the AI Bob. 57:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 57:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this is somewhat that it's a red now. 57:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Please sketch artist says who they probably have 14 in our basement and used AI. 57:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I don't know anything about this, which you know, I'm still have all my social media, but I 57:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just can't everything so AI artificial falsely and that's the problem is that or as soon as as soon as she was reported missing in the news got a hold of it there was a ransom letter that was sent to both TMZ and the local news station in Tucson 58:16 [SPEAKER_01]: and they've not released what it says, but what we gather is that it talks about a six million dollar ransom that the has to go do Bitcoin. 58:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The ransom also said that they would not contact again Bitcoin. 58:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That means it's a mail right after. 58:36 [SPEAKER_01]: well they don't know if this came from the kidnappers because they were getting a lot of scams the one person that arrested because they were able to figure out like the phone number to the sister and I know my god well a lot of these are coming from overseas to like when people and my friends go missing this is a huge problem like you'll get all these people reach now and they're like I know where they are I have the ability to attack you 58:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pay me this money right now or she dies. 59:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Come see Mr. 59:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Waters and I tell you where you're going to be. 59:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why. 59:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So like they sent this to both a new station of TMZ, which I want to thoughts there. 59:16 [SPEAKER_01]: One of them is if this is coming from the kidnapper, why are they sending this to the news and not the family? 59:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is typically what you're going to see. 59:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there is an argument for it to send it to the new station because you have no direct contact that will be traced because you can just go and like, use their tip line, basically. 59:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But TMZ, 59:41 [SPEAKER_01]: was what got me that's what makes me think it's not real because if I was like if you're thinking about a well organized kidnapper, you contact the local news that was one point of contact, your information will get to where you want it to go. 59:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The chance that you're going to send it to two places, that doubles the chance of you getting caught of them tracing you somehow. 60:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, I don't, that's why I don't think that it's real. 60:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just baffling how people can still be kidnapped in this day and age. 60:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, with, cameras everywhere, like it, it just, it's so, that's what I'm grappling with, it's like, oh my god, I can't believe people still getting kidnapped. 60:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And it also, I'm actually bad cameras. 60:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she did. 60:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but they weren't over. 60:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's supposed to be cameras in the house, as well. 60:30 [SPEAKER_01]: but they could very well have that footage, but they just aren't releasing it. 60:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 60:35 [SPEAKER_01]: What you'll typically find happening is they want the public to keep this fresh in their mind so the tips keep coming in and people are freshly aware of it and they're cautious and they'll pick things up. 60:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So what you'll see is that as soon as it starts falling off the news, 60:51 [SPEAKER_01]: they'll give you more to keep it on a little bit more, especially if there's a chance that the person the victim could be alive. 60:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So if this hurts falling off with no new leads tomorrow, they'll probably release something else to them pop it all over the place. 61:06 [SPEAKER_02]: This made me think of. 61:08 [SPEAKER_02]: all like how today like you know this a woman gets kidnapped and now half of the country is investigating this crime there's people scamming like just everything that goes into just one person being kidnapped 61:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And it all started with pictures on a milk cart in years ago. 61:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like all that, just blue like to today where I remember pictures on milk cart. 61:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and you know, with AI, that's both a blessing and a curse because you're going to have people who are going to be sending AI videos and pictures of her passing from our planet. 61:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also you're going to be like, I believe that the engineers at Google probably was able to collect that data using AI because it will just go into like a big deposit toy, which is equivalent to like if you're trying to find one piece of paper, and you have to walk into a huge football stadium, like the cult's playing, and whatever that thing's called, and there's just it's full of paper, and you're going there to look for one piece of paper, you're never going to find it, which is why they haven't been able to. 62:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm guessing that those engineers built some AI tool that could go in there and find certain things. 62:22 [SPEAKER_02]: See, I struggle with that because using AI to solve crimes, I see the benefits, it has more eyes and ears to scan and to see details that human eye and mind might miss. 62:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But earlier when you were talking about, is that a piece of electrical tape or a tattoo, I thought they've used AI to enhance one of the first photos taken over 100 years ago. 62:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it was such a blurry photo of, I think, somewhere in Italy. 62:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, just a rooftop in Italy. 62:56 [SPEAKER_02]: and they used AI to enhance it and to fix it to where now it looks like the picture was taken with a camera today. 63:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, why can't they do that with his wrist? 63:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But then I thought, well, it's AI, it could put any, it could make it a tattoo just because it thinks there is. 63:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And then band, they're not looking for someone with a tattoo and then someone with a tattoo could, you know, be arrested for it. 63:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I do think that the footage has been enhanced with 63:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But they would have specifically put parameters on it to not change anything. 63:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope. 63:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, later down the line when there's more corruption and shit. 63:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 63:33 [SPEAKER_02]: If they're can possibly be more of a bullshit, you know, it's just a double edged sword. 63:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, but also as you said a double edged sword, if they don't use it, the perpetrators will be used. 63:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 63:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 63:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 63:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of have to use. 63:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to stay ahead. 63:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 63:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to play a ball. 63:55 [SPEAKER_01]: you 63:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what we were getting to. 63:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember what I'm just so upset that a sweet 84-year-old friend. 64:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's so sweet. 64:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if her community is like, just... Oh, we're talking about the ransom notes. 64:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 64:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So they get the first one. 64:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The first one is asked for 6 million Bitcoin. 64:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And it also specifically says this will be the only time we contact you. 64:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And very weirdly, it gives two deadlines, which I thought was so bizarre. 64:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The first one was the Friday. 64:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And then a couple days later on Monday. 64:26 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I won't prove it. 64:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That was too different. 64:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's too different. 64:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I want proof of life. 64:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the same letter. 64:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the same. 64:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the same letter. 64:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I see blood and my mama needs her medicine. 64:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I want proof of life before I send it. 64:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that's that's why the family were requiring the FBI. 64:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, does not want you to pay a ransom because they win. 64:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They do and they'll do it again and the money goes to these criminals to use it for bad things. 64:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But it couldn't be used to track them. 64:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said earlier. 64:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They could try their best. 64:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so while ends up happening was just like yesterday. 65:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was yesterday 65:06 [SPEAKER_01]: because the person who wrote the ransom sent this to TMZ and the new station, the local new station at Tucson, they had to give the Bitcoin address, like the wallet to send it to. 65:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So both the new station and TMZ have been monitoring it, because you can see when someone pays it. 65:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's in the best way that I can put it, it's like we all have been mo. 65:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 65:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And, 65:31 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like we can your friends yeah and you'll see it yeah you can't put it as private so like you'll see when someone sends you money and so someone had sent right under three hundred dollars damn to it and so I believe that was probably the FBI because they're wanting to try to trace the money and trace to see who's account it goes into mm-hmm 65:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was the first thing. 65:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it really quickly, the FBI put out a $50,000 reward. 65:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But just tonight, they uped it to $100,000. 66:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I have a theory of why TMZ and the new station had received another letter. 66:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was yesterday. 66:09 [SPEAKER_01]: and they said and this this is the third letter so let me go back to the second letter before I talk about that so they sent the first ransom note and it's asking for the money and all this stuff but it specifically says we were not contact you again we need the money on these dates or she's dead basically but it says like as long as you pay it we will drop her off in this area but it's been that long she needs medicine every day 66:36 [SPEAKER_01]: However, very professional people, like who do this very professionally, like kidnapped people, they do have the ability. 66:47 [SPEAKER_01]: This is so weird to me. 66:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They have many pharmacy. 66:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 66:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They have access to doctors and pharmacies. 66:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Like because they were talking about a lot of money in their professional. 66:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So if they was pre-planned, they could bring her to a location and they 67:04 [SPEAKER_01]: However, I'm not convinced that any of those letters were real, because they send this first one and they ask for this money. 67:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's golden. 67:13 [SPEAKER_01]: If that was the real perpetrator, that's enough. 67:17 [SPEAKER_01]: When the family asks for proof of life, you have to give proof of life or no one pays you because it's, you can't tell if you're going to scam and who's going to send you six million dollars, right? 67:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So the family would get on Facebook and get on the news and say, we basically just need proof of life for a singing money. 67:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, pay, she's valuable to us. 67:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We will pay. 67:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We need proof of life. 67:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's basically what they were saying. 67:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, didn't send anything. 67:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Now a second letter came. 67:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And the second letter was basically like, now of course they haven't released what these things say. 67:52 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just what, the little pieces that TMZ releases. 67:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But the second one, again, was like we need the money. 68:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the wallet that we need the money in. 68:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently they gave the same wallet account and both IP addresses were using the same type of program to block their IP address. 68:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 68:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It could probably the same person. 68:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably the same person, but they broke their wool of we were not contacted you. 68:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's true. 68:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and it was desperate for money. 68:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was still within the deadline period. 68:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine, as we were just speaking earlier, about how, if it couldn't have been like pre-meditated, like if they didn't know who she was, they just saw a vulnerable older woman with money who could have been an easy target? 68:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine if that's what it was? 68:40 [SPEAKER_02]: and something wrong. 68:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Like she fought back. 68:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She got injured or worse. 68:45 [SPEAKER_02]: They took her to, you know, take the body. 68:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And then then they find out on the news. 68:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit. 68:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really, really. 68:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Take the wrong. 68:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We thought she was just, you know, a random old lady. 68:59 [SPEAKER_02]: No, the nation's resources are going. 69:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And then now they're just, you know, shit in their pants, like, what do we do? 69:05 [SPEAKER_01]: See in their picture, wondering if they have the footage of the inside of the house from the inside. 69:11 [SPEAKER_02]: To me, that makes more sense than like an in-depth, like, they have doctors and medicine and pharmacy, you know, like, that seems a little far-fetched. 69:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I can honestly see it being like, oh, look, we followed the lady for a week or so. 69:27 [SPEAKER_02]: She's vulnerable, easy target. 69:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go get her. 69:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that gets me about it is, what is the motive? 69:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just going to rob her, but then when she got injured, they panicked. 69:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Could, but if this person was a professional robber, which it kind of seemed like they were, they came there well prepared. 69:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you rob the house when she's back? 69:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when she's been called, she's, yeah, she's been going all day. 69:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it should be going again. 69:56 [SPEAKER_01]: She lives alone. 69:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to go into the house when you know no one's going to be there. 70:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 70:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what gets me is why they would have gone through that. 70:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And professional robbers, it's one thing to rob the home. 70:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's another thing to kill someone. 70:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 70:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that crime just went up by a lot. 70:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say they thought she was gone. 70:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That was an advocate. 70:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They thought she was gone. 70:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They get there. 70:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They go to rob the house. 70:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the have a gun, which was position real weird. 70:32 [SPEAKER_01]: When I thought I saw that. 70:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've never seen it, but I've never seen it. 70:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're by technical like that. 70:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Of Mary and there was a guy who cared his gun like that. 70:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He shows we whack her off. 70:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 70:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Any movie of gun violence. 70:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to see there. 70:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, don't put 70:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was so bizarre because the gun size was, was a lot smaller than the, is a, a sheath. 70:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But they, they put, it was, the, the sheath was big. 71:00 [SPEAKER_01]: and the gum did not, it was not meant for that chief. 71:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just bizarre how well it was planned out, but then you have those messed up, that was just, right, odd bizarre. 71:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also got a good laugh because every new station that I've watched, they're like, now we know what coat, and we know what, all he's wearing, now the police will be going to all the local stores and check it out like who bought all this material at the same time. 71:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and on my stores. 71:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He bought it all on Amazon, which don't have stores, right? 71:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's going in buying shit? 71:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the thing is, it's like, if he bought it on Amazon, he probably did not pay for it on his one account. 71:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It was probably all bought separately, unlike just buying it. 71:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't have to have an account to buy Amazon. 71:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Periodically. 71:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then you can purchase stuff and then pick it up. 71:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you can go to those pickup locations at some gas stations and places like that. 71:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's not this stuff that I've heard of your house. 71:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be harder to track and trace. 71:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd probably have a burner phone. 72:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You can buy smart phones at Walmart. 72:01 [SPEAKER_02]: They think 2000. 72:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 72:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 72:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 72:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that everyone was like, now what they'll do is they're going to all the local stores and two son and they'll find out who both he's on on resources. 72:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and all in like, unless his person's 60, they ain't going to bookstore and buy and all that stuff. 72:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you had that much money, first of all. 72:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That stuff's expensive. 72:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's like going, well, he's going to go buy all the stuff to kidnap. 72:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 72:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a cash card. 72:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It does happen. 72:31 [SPEAKER_01]: People are going to buy like shovels. 72:33 [SPEAKER_02]: tape or you're like, what you do and what you ain't using all this for anything good? 72:37 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the worst part about self check out now as you can't mess with the like go buy like lube and cucumbers. 72:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 72:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Dan Kim, he called you out, just like that. 72:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He called me. 72:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. 72:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Sammer's sausage. 72:52 [SPEAKER_01]: K-y. 72:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But, so they've not paid that ransom because it's far fetched, I think, it's real if you're not going to send me some. 72:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's a professional people, they would know that no one's going to pay a bigger ransom unless you can provide proof of life. 73:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So I need a pulse, or I ain't even getting shit. 73:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but a possibility, and we're going through all the possibilities, of course, I hope to everything that she's still alive, and she'll be returned like, you know, hopefully that's the case. 73:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But for thinking through possibilities, what may have happened is they could have been a professional. 73:26 [SPEAKER_01]: but did not realize like how bad her health could be and that she was on blood thinners and they may not have known that her heart monitor was connected to her phone. 73:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they don't want to bring devices. 73:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 73:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That stuff's trackable even if you turn it off, it's going to be trackable. 73:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So what may have happened is they may have taken her and that she passed away because of me. 73:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She's already bleeding and I went from kidnapping her. 73:49 [SPEAKER_01]: She has a heart problem, herder. 73:51 [SPEAKER_01]: She may have her heart attack. 73:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what I would have for sure. 73:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you shot my sharp, yeah. 73:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if that happens, 73:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They're probably just escape and try not to get caught because now they have a much bigger problem on their hands. 74:07 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't just kidnap, they killed someone. 74:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can see them like giving up. 74:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 74:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just moving on from it. 74:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to give a ransom. 74:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 74:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But then a third letter came for a ransom as I was talking about earlier and the third letter 74:24 [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't want you to think that they're the same person who said the first two. 74:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is funny to me. 74:30 [SPEAKER_01]: This the third letter says, and this one is one that came yesterday. 74:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the third letter basically stated, I didn't do it. 74:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I know who did. 74:39 [SPEAKER_01]: In order for me to tell you, I want one Bitcoin deposited in this count. 74:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Now Bitcoin, one Bitcoin amounts to like $66,000. 74:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus. 74:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But 74:54 [SPEAKER_01]: If you could turn in someone who knew who did it, they'll pay you $50,000. 74:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a $50,000 reward. 75:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This person won $66,000. 75:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So you don't tell me that you don't send this and just like not turn this person in because of $16,000, like why are you talking to my boy? 75:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And they opted to 100. 75:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they did that to prevent the thought that this person couldn't be real. 75:20 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, because they sent another one today like this morning, some time. 75:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This same person sent it and they're like, I need to be taken seriously. 75:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I know who has her who took her and they also stated that the reason why they were doing this and not just coming forward was because whoever took her, they're scared and they'll need this money to help protect them and like not work for 75:49 [SPEAKER_01]: people got too much time on your hands, and I guarantee you that the FBI has put better trackers on those websites. 75:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So whoever is going to those websites now, in submitting that, that better being trapped, like what my best guess is, they're tracking them and they're monitoring them, because they don't want the public to know that they're tracking that system. 76:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 76:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's probably my best guess. 76:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The moment that there's a break in the case and they know where to recover her, I think that they'll go in and catch those people who have been doing that. 76:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm almost certain that's what's happening. 76:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the moment that they go into or rest them, we all hear about it. 76:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it takes away the possibility of those perpetrators going in and using those platforms. 76:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 76:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a way that they'll catch them if they do. 76:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but can you imagine like that's a lot of prison time just for trying to get Rachel 66,000 dollars. 76:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's basically what we're at now. 76:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They have found a glove that matches the glove that he was wearing, and they've sent it off for testing. 76:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they send it to author? 76:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 77:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They use a private lot. 77:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they may have. 77:04 [SPEAKER_01]: All that they have shared and this is I just read this when you went to the bathroom Kim. 77:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for taking a long time in the bathroom. 77:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So the sheriff's department is over the case. 77:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They are in charge. 77:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The FBI was sent in to help, but ultimately the sheriff's department is in charge. 77:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a little argument between the sheriff's office and the FBI, the tap in the shot. 77:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the FBI wants to use their FBI lab for testing. 77:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought if it was a kidnapping, then it was FBI jurisdiction. 77:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's only FBI jurisdiction if the sheriff's department releases it and asks for help or if they can prove that she was carried over state lines. 77:47 [SPEAKER_01]: If there's evidence that she was carried over state lines, that then puts it to it. 77:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right because I mean, the whole Johnmanee Ramsey thing. 77:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there might be something with children, if a child that might get that bad involved, but anyway, that's what's happening now. 78:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Sheriff's Office evidently uses a private lab and Florida that could be off room there in the Houston area. 78:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So it could be off from, 78:12 [SPEAKER_00]: in the Florida area in Houston. 78:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry. 78:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We're in Texas, aren't we? 78:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 78:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not off from it's not off. 78:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Where the hell are you guys? 78:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not off from. 78:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. 78:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So they sent it there using a private lab in Florida. 78:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the perk of a private lab is that you're going to get crap back quick. 78:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's expensive, but it's quick, which explains why they got that DNA test for her blood real quick. 78:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So the sheriff is using them. 78:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The FBI is getting a little butt hurt because they sold a glove being taken by the sheriff's department. 78:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And so they contacted the sheriff's department evidently and was like, we want to process that evidence. 78:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, no, we're sending it to Florida to be tested there. 78:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a little argument happening in the FBI is like, oh, I'm about hurt. 78:56 [SPEAKER_02]: All the way to Florida though. 78:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, Arizona. 79:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and what will happen though is when they send evidence, an officer, a detective will take it. 79:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was wondering. 79:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they're not over nightingale. 79:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No, well, they're over night at the end. 79:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they'll overnight it, but they'll be a person that physically has to take it. 79:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, authorum's closer. 79:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 79:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like good God. 79:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 79:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Author would be right there. 79:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So they just got to have deputy's driving back and forth. 79:26 [SPEAKER_02]: A fly from, oh yeah. 79:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't fly. 79:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even think of that. 79:30 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a possibility. 79:31 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a possibility. 79:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Jesus. 79:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Soon as one gets back and now the one's got to go. 79:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll have one that brief cases with the tough thing. 79:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 79:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And hand-cuffed it to them. 79:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot all about airplanes. 79:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, long drive. 79:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus. 79:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not even like and they have to go to a boat if they want to say to a lot of God for a double testing my God go the Mayflower out of it and they're horse and buggy and my gosh You're on the train Jesus You're a dick, you'll miss yeah, so so that's basically where it's at now 80:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm telling you, they evidently do have other physical evidence that they sent it for testing, but no one has any idea of what it was. 80:11 [SPEAKER_01]: What I hope it ain't still found at poor ladies and through enough. 80:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But they haven't said what state the house was in. 80:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like know what like they've not said if it appeared that it was robbed, like if they took her wallet, money, jewelry, none of that. 80:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just all really bizarre. 80:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And when they release the footage of him, I mean, it's really freaky because it's so bizarre to me because 80:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But then some don't like when he goes on approaches the front door 80:52 [SPEAKER_01]: he's looking down and it makes you think that he knows that the camera is there and that's why he's looking down. 80:59 [SPEAKER_01]: However, my theory is that you saw that he has a flashlight like in his mouth. 81:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, why? 81:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And you see that the lights on as he approaches the front door. 81:09 [SPEAKER_01]: My theory is that he was looking down because of the threshold because he wasn't sure if there was going to be a 81:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as he got on, he would have looked up and he would have seen though, when those lights turn on, like when the camera turns on, there's a little, like you'll notice it. 81:26 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a, there's a, there's a, a faint little light that you'll see to tell you that's recording. 81:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Normally it's a little red light. 81:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when he first comes up, he doesn't look right at the camera, he looks at the door, he looks into the door, and then he notices the camera, and that's when he comes over and tries to put his hand over it, and sees he's messing with it to see if he can pop it off, realizes he can't. 81:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you'll notice 81:53 [SPEAKER_01]: that he swings around and he's looking because there's like a little space between the tile on the ground and the brick. 82:01 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little space there and it's like ravi. 82:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's looking to see if there's any shrubbery there, which makes me think that he hadn't been there. 82:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when he was doing that, it made me think of maybe he was looking for it in key. 82:16 [SPEAKER_01]: maybe but again at that point he was focused on the camera so he would have been trying to focus on the camera I don't think he'd be looking for a key and I think so like he's he scans he sees there's no shrubbery right there he steps off the porch and he sees shrubbery on the ground and he goes over and he like takes it pops it off comes back to the camera and he fixes it over the lens so that it can't pick him up anymore. 82:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we don't know if that's when he popped it off or if he pops it off afterwards. 82:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so But the fact that I get he didn't just spray paint it makes me think he didn't know it's there. 82:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't that well Prepared when he has a full back pack 83:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a full backpack, or you can tell there's a lot of shit in it. 83:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was creepy to see. 83:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he plans enough that he's wearing two sets of gloves. 83:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like that he has sealed them so that his DNA gets out. 83:14 [SPEAKER_02]: See coming with a full backpack, that says, not going to rob him. 83:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to kidnap like you're not carrying a stuff out. 83:21 [SPEAKER_01]: On a lot of stairs, a second perpetrator, right? 83:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And the second perpetrator pulls up. 83:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I really think that they were standing on that for a porch wait for somebody to come and pick them up. 83:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right because why else would you stand with a bleeding lady that you're kidnapping on the front porch where somebody could see you waiting for an Uber? 83:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the only other thing is either they were waiting for someone or he had her day like he may have handcuffed her to him as he's taking apart the camera and popping it off there. 83:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see that too. 83:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So what he might have done also is like if he plans 84:01 [SPEAKER_01]: on because apparently there were a lot of cameras in the house outside the house too. 84:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So if he had access to her phone he would have seen if there was a subscription and be able to delete the footage. 84:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But if he saw there was no subscription he probably thought that wasn't going to be a worry but then he took the cameras with him. 84:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 84:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So he probably took the cameras inside the house with him as well. 84:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing too. 84:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, they haven't said it if she was robbed. 84:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, that tells me that he took her out of the home, which is so bizarre if he's not going to send a ransom. 84:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 84:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So the only thing I can come up with is if he didn't plan on her passing away. 84:43 [SPEAKER_01]: or she's in super bad health and he's trying to get her back better health. 84:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just, that's what blows my mind. 84:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it makes sense to me. 84:50 [SPEAKER_00]: In case I hope that is not the case, but I don't think so. 84:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just so bizarre. 84:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, is because she's so old and if he doesn't have her medicine, it's just why would you do this? 85:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like why would you take her and not take her pills? 85:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 85:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There's none of it makes sense. 85:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's weird to me. 85:12 [SPEAKER_01]: do you lose something Josh? 85:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 85:13 [SPEAKER_01]: My sanity. 85:15 [SPEAKER_01]: My world will live. 85:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so that's the Guthrie case and that's where we're at now. 85:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So now you're fully updated. 85:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's just it's so sad because she's 80s. 85:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 85:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're going to take some of why in their 80s. 85:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's that's that's our hard. 85:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and a lot of people were thinking that it could be someone who was stalking because she has been even recently, like the end of last year on TV with Savannah. 85:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 85:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I could said they went to the house and they did all this stuff. 85:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 85:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know there's just a lot of weird crap about it and it's some it doesn't make sense None of it makes sense to me like a first before they released a footage. 86:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought man These would have been professionals right like but then they released that footage and I'm like Maybe person seems really well prepared, but why would they have been so prepared but didn't think through Security cameras let me bring well. 86:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you can spray 86:16 [SPEAKER_02]: prepare, you know, to tape up your arm sleeves and wear two pairs of gloves with a single Google search, you know, or a couple of episodes of CSI or whatnot. 86:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 86:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 86:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's very true. 86:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can most of the crime podcasts. 86:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I just haven't heard of someone being so well prepared. 86:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, also so ill prepared. 86:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 86:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I 86:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what blows my mind is because they're so well prepared and so going out of their way to prevent their DNA from being left. 86:52 [SPEAKER_01]: which makes me believe that they're going to take her for ransom, but I don't think the ransom letters that have been sent were from them. 87:02 [SPEAKER_02]: They doesn't seem like they seem like just scams. 87:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if you want six million dollars and you take her and you put that much time in effort into it, you want that money. 87:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, it's all for nothing. 87:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, if you're going through all that work, 87:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And today's money, $6 million, I feel like they would, especially if they knew who her family was, yeah. 87:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They'd be asking for more. 87:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing is like, if they would send a ransom and proof of life, I bet you CBS, or it's ABC. 87:33 [SPEAKER_01]: ABC is the one that's for the today's show I think. 87:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe whichever one the today show. 87:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I bet those executives and stuff would either have insurance that would help pay or they would offer to pay because again She goes on the air with a mom and they were a house No five minutes with a go-funny page. 87:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes Exactly watching this exactly 87:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So a possibility that comes to my mind right now is that are they trying to play a longer game? 88:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, wait so that people are real desperate people start losing hope and then they're suddenly like 25 million. 88:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's proof of life. 88:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We have her. 88:09 [SPEAKER_01]: She's alive, but you have 10 hours. 88:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like she passed in there. 88:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're just backstacking. 88:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 88:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope. 88:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope. 88:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't happen to happen. 88:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, trying to get out of it. 88:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Burn it down. 88:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's definitely possible and I think that it's either going to be one of the two. 88:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Should I the past or they're going to play a longer game wait until people start losing hope because then they can ask for a lot more money? 88:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 88:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you took her for ransom, you don't want to keep her for a long time. 88:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I feel like if it was a more organized kidnapping ring, that would have been more than one guy going to have even an older lady. 88:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, bring at least two people, one for the head, one for the feet. 88:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't know if there was, because the kids would have four or five. 88:55 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you ain't never going to get kidnapped, baby, you good. 88:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all right, it's all right. 89:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If I can tell you right now that's the way that they got me in their ran pizza. 89:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 89:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 89:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 89:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Smart. 89:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they'll need at least 10 to kid that me because the first six, I'll have to. 89:17 [SPEAKER_02]: to exhaust the the last for the other I'd be like who honey take me bring me to a spa all right low you gonna time me up and leave me there okay good all right bring my melatonin last night but the night before did you guys hear a bang like at 11 30 something in our other 11 32 I think when it was 89:41 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no. 89:47 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a shooting star. 89:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a meteorite, yeah, that went that fell over Muncie and it hit. 89:56 [SPEAKER_00]: the soundbearers, so there was a sonic boom. 89:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow. 89:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was getting in bed and you thought you broke the bed? 90:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just, in my bedroom, I don't hear as much stuff as what I do out in the living room and stuff. 90:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was getting in bed and I thought, 90:12 [SPEAKER_00]: What was that noise and then I didn't think anything else about it because he was he was he was no he was he didn't bark That's why didn't think anything else about it and then I got up and was looking you know on Facebook and stuff and there was a bunch of people Talking about that they had heard a big boo and wanted to know what it was and it was a meteor. 90:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow. 90:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Around that time my dogs barked for a moment that was really odd, but those start barking if they see themselves in the reflection of the window 90:40 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a bunch of people that had posted like ring videos and stuff they had caught and I don't know. 90:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's cool. 90:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 90:47 [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool. 90:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It was real cool. 90:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to see if I can find some of them. 90:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd ask Brittany if she'd read anything. 90:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 90:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 90:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I heard it, but I didn't think anything about it until the next day. 90:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The ladies I work with caught me on onto a new treat. 91:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They're called Fiord, Fiord G, Panino, Antipasti, they're a little, I don't have a picture of the package, but I ate all of them. 91:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, bring us on me to show us the package. 91:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to, I don't want to stop a Walmart movie here. 91:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They're essentially like adult string cheese. 91:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They're long things of mozzarella, but it's not like as soft as string cheese, like it's a little firmer, not like Parmesan hard, but it's really good. 91:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you can either get a wrapped in pepperoni or salami. 91:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 91:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Really good, I don't know. 91:39 [SPEAKER_02]: They come in like a pack of like eight or nine or so. 91:59 [SPEAKER_01]: All right guys, well, we will catch you next week. 92:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hopefully with another Arizona mystery. 92:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really? 92:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's funny. 92:10 [SPEAKER_01]: All right guys, we'll see you later. 92:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. 92:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye. 92:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is our Harley.
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